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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
Conservative - 19 (33.9%)
Labour - 12 (21.4%)
SNP - 2 (3.6%)
Lib Dem - 8 (14.3%)
Brexit - 1 (1.8%)
Green - 6 (10.7%)
Other - 2 (3.6%)
Spoil - 0 (0%)
Not voting - 6 (10.7%)
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« Reply #10050 on: June 13, 2017, 08:29:22 PM »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Rees-Mogg

This guy will do.  Not sure he wants the hassle.

Hes far too posh and lacks social awareness of just how posh he comes across, would be a landslide.

No more posh than Dave C but far smarter imo and a brexit supporter.
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« Reply #10051 on: June 13, 2017, 08:31:47 PM »

Theresa May is a just horrible though, and she's miles out of her depth as a politician.

Even the loyalist tories on her gotta admit she got a pretty serious schooling during the last 6 weeks.

Very true. She's been awful.

Tories desperate for a leader that is a communicator who understands real people.

Some charisma would be helpful too.

Who do you think would be the best option for the Conservatives, Rick?

I don't follow closely enough to really know any of them, as almost all my poliltical info is derived from here.

Don't think there is anyone who really stands out.

Boris has charisma but is a clown.

David Davies has personality but leader? Not for me.

Amber Rudd seems competent but doesn't look like a natural leader to me. Might be a dark horse though.

Hammond seems a safe pair of hands but uninspiring.

Ruth Davidson has the profile to appeal to younger voters. Some on here think she's poor though. Definitely has the drive and ambition. Probably too risky for traditional Tories.


They are the only real contenders I think.






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« Reply #10052 on: June 13, 2017, 08:37:49 PM »

Boris won 2 London mayoral elections, he is certainly a capable campaigner but not sure he has enough support within his own party to get to be leader. I think Amber Rudd based on who shone in this election would be a decent choice but she voted remain, so probably her screwed. Likely to be David Davis IMO, as uninspiring as that is.
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« Reply #10053 on: June 13, 2017, 08:44:13 PM »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Rees-Mogg

This guy will do.  Not sure he wants the hassle.

Hes far too posh and lacks social awareness of just how posh he comes across, would be a landslide.

No more posh than Dave C but far smarter imo and a brexit supporter.

"I gradually realised that whatever I happened to be speaking about, the number of voters in my favour dropped as soon as I opened my mouth."

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« Reply #10054 on: June 13, 2017, 08:45:58 PM »

Theresa May is a just horrible though, and she's miles out of her depth as a politician.

Even the loyalist tories on her gotta admit she got a pretty serious schooling during the last 6 weeks.

Very true. She's been awful.

Tories desperate for a leader that is a communicator who understands real people.

Some charisma would be helpful too.

Who do you think would be the best option for the Conservatives, Rick?

I don't follow closely enough to really know any of them, as almost all my poliltical info is derived from here.



Hammond seems a safe pair of hands

First time anyones said that this week
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« Reply #10055 on: June 13, 2017, 08:48:15 PM »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Rees-Mogg

This guy will do.  Not sure he wants the hassle.

Hes far too posh and lacks social awareness of just how posh he comes across, would be a landslide.

No more posh than Dave C but far smarter imo and a brexit supporter.

"I gradually realised that whatever I happened to be speaking about, the number of voters in my favour dropped as soon as I opened my mouth."



Says more about the British public than Mogg imo.  Why don't we want the elite and educated running our country?
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« Reply #10056 on: June 13, 2017, 08:50:42 PM »

Boris won 2 London mayoral elections, he is certainly a capable campaigner but not sure he has enough support within his own party to get to be leader. I think Amber Rudd based on who shone in this election would be a decent choice but she voted remain, so probably her screwed. Likely to be David Davis IMO, as uninspiring as that is.

Rudd will have big issues keeping her seat next time. Lots of people kicking themselves for not canvassing harder in her constituency. In spite of this I guess she probably seems the best. imo Boris would win an election vs Corbyn.
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« Reply #10057 on: June 13, 2017, 08:54:43 PM »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Rees-Mogg

This guy will do.  Not sure he wants the hassle.

Hes far too posh and lacks social awareness of just how posh he comes across, would be a landslide.

No more posh than Dave C but far smarter imo and a brexit supporter.

"I gradually realised that whatever I happened to be speaking about, the number of voters in my favour dropped as soon as I opened my mouth."



Says more about the British public than Mogg imo.  Why don't we want the elite and educated running our country?

Yup very true mate, many of the Labour chavs can't go for it though....
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« Reply #10058 on: June 13, 2017, 08:56:30 PM »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Rees-Mogg

This guy will do.  Not sure he wants the hassle.

Hes far too posh and lacks social awareness of just how posh he comes across, would be a landslide.

No more posh than Dave C but far smarter imo and a brexit supporter.

"I gradually realised that whatever I happened to be speaking about, the number of voters in my favour dropped as soon as I opened my mouth."



Says more about the British public than Mogg imo.  Why don't we want the elite and educated running our country?

Oh I agree, bring back the king.
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« Reply #10059 on: June 13, 2017, 08:56:59 PM »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Rees-Mogg

This guy will do.  Not sure he wants the hassle.

Hes far too posh and lacks social awareness of just how posh he comes across, would be a landslide.

No more posh than Dave C but far smarter imo and a brexit supporter.

"I gradually realised that whatever I happened to be speaking about, the number of voters in my favour dropped as soon as I opened my mouth."



Says more about the British public than Mogg imo.  Why don't we want the elite and educated running our country?

Yup very true mate, many of the Labour chavs can't go for it though....

People take the piss out of Corbs for a year saying he was clueless.  TM was useless and not a leader or smart enough to debate under pressure.  Yet someone that could easily do it is too posh for the gig?  Wtf do the people want?  Some chav from a council estate in Rotherham who never went to school or uni, brought up on benefits yet is suddenly able to crush debating in PMQ's on a Wednesday lunchtime?
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« Reply #10060 on: June 13, 2017, 09:01:55 PM »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Rees-Mogg

This guy will do.  Not sure he wants the hassle.

Hes far too posh and lacks social awareness of just how posh he comes across, would be a landslide.

No more posh than Dave C but far smarter imo and a brexit supporter.

"I gradually realised that whatever I happened to be speaking about, the number of voters in my favour dropped as soon as I opened my mouth."



Says more about the British public than Mogg imo.  Why don't we want the elite and educated running our country?

Yup very true mate, many of the Labour chavs can't go for it though....

People take the piss out of Corbs for a year saying he was clueless.  TM was useless and not a leader or smart enough to debate under pressure.  Yet someone that could easily do it is too posh for the gig?  Wtf do the people want?  Some chav from a council estate in Rotherham who never went to school or uni, brought up on benefits yet is suddenly able to crush debating in PMQ's on a Wednesday lunchtime?

Read your own link, he couldnt get the tory voters who voted for his predecessors to vote for him, he bucked swings towards tories in previous elections.

Oh yeah lets get this fella-

Rees-Mogg also opposes marriage for same-sex couples, saying that he is "not proud" of it being legal and that it will alienate "traditional supporters" of his party.[41][42] Rees-Mogg's reasoning for this is that gay marriage does not align with the Roman Catholic faith, saying "It's purely a religious matter. It's a question of what is a sacrament."
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« Reply #10061 on: June 13, 2017, 09:03:15 PM »

The tories primary goal is to win elections and be in power, hence it was called when they were 15% ahead, they are now 3% behind, no chance they will call one now. They will just hang on until too many by-elections go the wrong way.

The best the tories can hope for is to stay in power and hope something comes up which means they can win the next one.

Every parties primary goal is to win elections and be in power....

I have never been sure that Jeremy Corbyn shares that view.

I am not sure Corbyn thinks he lost and his supporters are absolutely cocksure they have won. 

I wrote something about this other day in one of my lefty sites I will post here later but this is so important for the left to address.
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« Reply #10062 on: June 13, 2017, 09:04:58 PM »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Rees-Mogg

This guy will do.  Not sure he wants the hassle.

Hes far too posh and lacks social awareness of just how posh he comes across, would be a landslide.

No more posh than Dave C but far smarter imo and a brexit supporter.

"I gradually realised that whatever I happened to be speaking about, the number of voters in my favour dropped as soon as I opened my mouth."



Says more about the British public than Mogg imo.  Why don't we want the elite and educated running our country?

Yup very true mate, many of the Labour chavs can't go for it though....

People take the piss out of Corbs for a year saying he was clueless.  TM was useless and not a leader or smart enough to debate under pressure.  Yet someone that could easily do it is too posh for the gig?  Wtf do the people want?  Some chav from a council estate in Rotherham who never went to school or uni, brought up on benefits yet is suddenly able to crush debating in PMQ's on a Wednesday lunchtime?

Read your own link, he couldnt get the tory voters who voted for his predecessors to vote for him, he bucked swings towards tories in previous elections.

Oh yeah lets get this fella-

Rees-Mogg also opposes marriage for same-sex couples, saying that he is "not proud" of it being legal and that it will alienate "traditional supporters" of his party.[41][42] Rees-Mogg's reasoning for this is that gay marriage does not align with the Roman Catholic faith, saying "It's purely a religious matter. It's a question of what is a sacrament."

I think the bigger picture is the fact certain people are considered 'too posh/educated' to run the country.  This might be why the country is in the mess it is.  It is just as bad as saying someone can't run the country because they are a woman/gay/black imo.
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« Reply #10063 on: June 13, 2017, 09:09:46 PM »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Rees-Mogg

This guy will do.  Not sure he wants the hassle.

Hes far too posh and lacks social awareness of just how posh he comes across, would be a landslide.

No more posh than Dave C but far smarter imo and a brexit supporter.

"I gradually realised that whatever I happened to be speaking about, the number of voters in my favour dropped as soon as I opened my mouth."



Says more about the British public than Mogg imo.  Why don't we want the elite and educated running our country?

Yup very true mate, many of the Labour chavs can't go for it though....

People take the piss out of Corbs for a year saying he was clueless.  TM was useless and not a leader or smart enough to debate under pressure.  Yet someone that could easily do it is too posh for the gig?  Wtf do the people want?  Some chav from a council estate in Rotherham who never went to school or uni, brought up on benefits yet is suddenly able to crush debating in PMQ's on a Wednesday lunchtime?

Camel et al would love the chav! 
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« Reply #10064 on: June 13, 2017, 09:10:31 PM »

Roman Catholic can't be PM in this country.  Rules out Mogg.
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