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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
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« Reply #10110 on: June 14, 2017, 09:12:47 AM »

Tough one for universities innit.

I'm sure  big % of uni degrees are just a waste of money, but there is the chance to make a huge success of uni and everyone has the right to that experience.

Teachers get it so hard over this, truth is most teachers don't have a clue about how to get a job with a Geography degree - and why would they? No disrespect at all to teachers I think they are great and massively under-valued they are thrown into the deep end here and end up pushing some pre-made, generic agenda as opposed to offering good advice to individual kids.

Let's not forget the vast majority of 17-18yr olds dont have a clue about this stuff and just want to get pissed.

Arbboy's due diligence idea is a good one, this was over 10 yrs ago so IDK what it's like now but if that was built into the uni-application process that sounds like it would be a good tool.

Most importantly though... HI LONGY !!! 

I'd reduce the number of uni places but also reduce the fees and make it free for the poorest 20% or whatever. The amount of clueless 'educated' clowns we are interviewing these days for jobs has gone through the roof, no amount of education is going to get them a job in the corporate world, they would be far better off learning a trade, their expectations will never be met just because they have a degree.

It's right the numbers of people going to uni have gone up since my day, but far too many people are going now, we need to find the happy medium imo....

Also don't get me started about what a bunch of snowflakes a lot of them are.......that's a totally separate rant  Folded Arms
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« Reply #10111 on: June 14, 2017, 09:14:45 AM »

That wasn't what I was thinking from what arbboy wrote Kieth.

I was thinking more that part of the (ucas?) process is you present some sort of due dilligence on the un i you're going to, the field you're studying and what sort of prospects you believe will yield from it.

IDK anythign about this stuff though, so pretty unqualified to even type on a gambling forum about it! Any teachers on Blonde? would be interesting to hear views?

Not a bad idea at least it would force the education system to think about what they are pushing people into.
Like someone else said at 18 it's dam hard to be making life defining choices. idk about you lot but at 18 I justed wanted to chase girls and have some beers.

To be honest I would like to see more support for practical based skills degrees.
Like having the bursaries for nurses was a great idea. Made it a much more appealing choice for people and supported them in a career that benefits all.
Removing that was a terrible move from the government.


Some degrees should be free, nursing being the prime example, just base it on needs...
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« Reply #10112 on: June 14, 2017, 09:58:01 AM »

Tough one for universities innit.

I'm sure  big % of uni degrees are just a waste of money, but there is the chance to make a huge success of uni and everyone has the right to that experience.

Teachers get it so hard over this, truth is most teachers don't have a clue about how to get a job with a Geography degree - and why would they? No disrespect at all to teachers I think they are great and massively under-valued they are thrown into the deep end here and end up pushing some pre-made, generic agenda as opposed to offering good advice to individual kids.

Let's not forget the vast majority of 17-18yr olds dont have a clue about this stuff and just want to get pissed.

Arbboy's due diligence idea is a good one, this was over 10 yrs ago so IDK what it's like now but if that was built into the uni-application process that sounds like it would be a good tool.

Most importantly though... HI LONGY !!! 

I'd reduce the number of uni places but also reduce the fees and make it free for the poorest 20% or whatever. The amount of clueless 'educated' clowns we are interviewing these days for jobs has gone through the roof, no amount of education is going to get them a job in the corporate world, they would be far better off learning a trade, their expectations will never be met just because they have a degree.

It's right the numbers of people going to uni have gone up since my day, but far too many people are going now, we need to find the happy medium imo....

Also don't get me started about what a bunch of snowflakes a lot of them are.......that's a totally separate rant  Folded Arms

Hi Woodsey, seperate point, what do you think or most graduates and students??

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« Reply #10113 on: June 14, 2017, 09:59:59 AM »

Sorry mate don't fully understand your Q?
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« Reply #10114 on: June 14, 2017, 10:02:45 AM »

Sorry mate don't fully understand your Q?

Strongly suspect it was rhetorical and he is just playing Woodsey bingo.
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« Reply #10115 on: June 14, 2017, 10:54:31 AM »

That wasn't what I was thinking from what arbboy wrote Kieth.

I was thinking more that part of the (ucas?) process is you present some sort of due dilligence on the un i you're going to, the field you're studying and what sort of prospects you believe will yield from it.

IDK anythign about this stuff though, so pretty unqualified to even type on a gambling forum about it! Any teachers on Blonde? would be interesting to hear views?

Not a bad idea at least it would force the education system to think about what they are pushing people into.
Like someone else said at 18 it's dam hard to be making life defining choices. idk about you lot but at 18 I justed wanted to chase girls and have some beers.

To be honest I would like to see more support for practical based skills degrees.
Like having the bursaries for nurses was a great idea. Made it a much more appealing choice for people and supported them in a career that benefits all.
Removing that was a terrible move from the government.


Some degrees should be free, nursing being the prime example, just base it on needs...

I'd do this for nursing/doctors/dentistry etc so long as they were working in the NHS.  As soon as they step outside the NHS and go private or leave the country I'd hammer them with the student loans plus a premium.

A friend of my Mrs is a hospital doctor just now with a 5 year plan to get to consultant and as soon as that is achieved is off to Dubai.  Apparently they hire NHS consultants pay them a silly basic provide them with a car and housing.  All along the NHS has covered their rise to this level. 

If they go private in the UK but still do NHS work I would taper how much they pay back. 

I personally wish I never went to Uni, saddled with debt, never completed my degree, probably held me back for a while as I resented paying the student loan back.  I was given terrible advice from an "education and careers advisor" at the age of 16.  Went to Uni 3 months after my 17th Birthday and I wasn't ready for it.  Struggled for 2 years, was miserable and drunk most of the time.  Some of the guys in my year at school went and got a trade and some of them are earning stupid money for being as thick as 2 short planks. 

Now at the age of 36 I am toying with returning to Education for the correct reasons. 
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« Reply #10116 on: June 14, 2017, 11:03:25 AM »

That wasn't what I was thinking from what arbboy wrote Kieth.

I was thinking more that part of the (ucas?) process is you present some sort of due dilligence on the un i you're going to, the field you're studying and what sort of prospects you believe will yield from it.

IDK anythign about this stuff though, so pretty unqualified to even type on a gambling forum about it! Any teachers on Blonde? would be interesting to hear views?

Not a bad idea at least it would force the education system to think about what they are pushing people into.
Like someone else said at 18 it's dam hard to be making life defining choices. idk about you lot but at 18 I justed wanted to chase girls and have some beers.

To be honest I would like to see more support for practical based skills degrees.
Like having the bursaries for nurses was a great idea. Made it a much more appealing choice for people and supported them in a career that benefits all.
Removing that was a terrible move from the government.


Some degrees should be free, nursing being the prime example, just base it on needs...

I'd do this for nursing/doctors/dentistry etc so long as they were working in the NHS.  As soon as they step outside the NHS and go private or leave the country I'd hammer them with the student loans plus a premium.

A friend of my Mrs is a hospital doctor just now with a 5 year plan to get to consultant and as soon as that is achieved is off to Dubai.  Apparently they hire NHS consultants pay them a silly basic provide them with a car and housing.  All along the NHS has covered their rise to this level. 

If they go private in the UK but still do NHS work I would taper how much they pay back. 

I personally wish I never went to Uni, saddled with debt, never completed my degree, probably held me back for a while as I resented paying the student loan back.  I was given terrible advice from an "education and careers advisor" at the age of 16.  Went to Uni 3 months after my 17th Birthday and I wasn't ready for it.  Struggled for 2 years, was miserable and drunk most of the time.  Some of the guys in my year at school went and got a trade and some of them are earning stupid money for being as thick as 2 short planks. 

Now at the age of 36 I am toying with returning to Education for the correct reasons. 

They're earning stupid money for having saleable skills that are in demand..sounds the opposite of thick to me
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« Reply #10117 on: June 14, 2017, 11:11:09 AM »

Sorry mate don't fully understand your Q?

Strongly suspect it was rhetorical and he is just playing Woodsey bingo.

Rhetorical is a long word and difficult to understand.
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« Reply #10118 on: June 14, 2017, 11:11:47 AM »

That wasn't what I was thinking from what arbboy wrote Kieth.

I was thinking more that part of the (ucas?) process is you present some sort of due dilligence on the un i you're going to, the field you're studying and what sort of prospects you believe will yield from it.

IDK anythign about this stuff though, so pretty unqualified to even type on a gambling forum about it! Any teachers on Blonde? would be interesting to hear views?

Not a bad idea at least it would force the education system to think about what they are pushing people into.
Like someone else said at 18 it's dam hard to be making life defining choices. idk about you lot but at 18 I justed wanted to chase girls and have some beers.

To be honest I would like to see more support for practical based skills degrees.
Like having the bursaries for nurses was a great idea. Made it a much more appealing choice for people and supported them in a career that benefits all.
Removing that was a terrible move from the government.


Some degrees should be free, nursing being the prime example, just base it on needs...

I'd do this for nursing/doctors/dentistry etc so long as they were working in the NHS.  As soon as they step outside the NHS and go private or leave the country I'd hammer them with the student loans plus a premium.

A friend of my Mrs is a hospital doctor just now with a 5 year plan to get to consultant and as soon as that is achieved is off to Dubai.  Apparently they hire NHS consultants pay them a silly basic provide them with a car and housing.  All along the NHS has covered their rise to this level. 

If they go private in the UK but still do NHS work I would taper how much they pay back. 

I personally wish I never went to Uni, saddled with debt, never completed my degree, probably held me back for a while as I resented paying the student loan back.  I was given terrible advice from an "education and careers advisor" at the age of 16.  Went to Uni 3 months after my 17th Birthday and I wasn't ready for it.  Struggled for 2 years, was miserable and drunk most of the time.  Some of the guys in my year at school went and got a trade and some of them are earning stupid money for being as thick as 2 short planks. 

Now at the age of 36 I am toying with returning to Education for the correct reasons. 

Not a chance I'd make medicine/dentistry free, I'd just increase the number of places available.
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« Reply #10119 on: June 14, 2017, 11:12:43 AM »

Sorry mate don't fully understand your Q?

Strongly suspect it was rhetorical and he is just playing Woodsey bingo.

Rhetorical is a long word and difficult to understand.

Especially for someone with a politics degree....
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« Reply #10120 on: June 14, 2017, 11:13:30 AM »

Tough one for universities innit.

I'm sure  big % of uni degrees are just a waste of money, but there is the chance to make a huge success of uni and everyone has the right to that experience.

Teachers get it so hard over this, truth is most teachers don't have a clue about how to get a job with a Geography degree - and why would they? No disrespect at all to teachers I think they are great and massively under-valued they are thrown into the deep end here and end up pushing some pre-made, generic agenda as opposed to offering good advice to individual kids.

Let's not forget the vast majority of 17-18yr olds dont have a clue about this stuff and just want to get pissed.

Arbboy's due diligence idea is a good one, this was over 10 yrs ago so IDK what it's like now but if that was built into the uni-application process that sounds like it would be a good tool.

Most importantly though... HI LONGY !!! 

Hi Dave, hope you are well!
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« Reply #10121 on: June 14, 2017, 11:17:17 AM »

That wasn't what I was thinking from what arbboy wrote Kieth.

I was thinking more that part of the (ucas?) process is you present some sort of due dilligence on the un i you're going to, the field you're studying and what sort of prospects you believe will yield from it.

IDK anythign about this stuff though, so pretty unqualified to even type on a gambling forum about it! Any teachers on Blonde? would be interesting to hear views?

Not a bad idea at least it would force the education system to think about what they are pushing people into.
Like someone else said at 18 it's dam hard to be making life defining choices. idk about you lot but at 18 I justed wanted to chase girls and have some beers.

To be honest I would like to see more support for practical based skills degrees.
Like having the bursaries for nurses was a great idea. Made it a much more appealing choice for people and supported them in a career that benefits all.
Removing that was a terrible move from the government.


Some degrees should be free, nursing being the prime example, just base it on needs...

I'd do this for nursing/doctors/dentistry etc so long as they were working in the NHS.  As soon as they step outside the NHS and go private or leave the country I'd hammer them with the student loans plus a premium.

A friend of my Mrs is a hospital doctor just now with a 5 year plan to get to consultant and as soon as that is achieved is off to Dubai.  Apparently they hire NHS consultants pay them a silly basic provide them with a car and housing.  All along the NHS has covered their rise to this level. 

If they go private in the UK but still do NHS work I would taper how much they pay back. 

I personally wish I never went to Uni, saddled with debt, never completed my degree, probably held me back for a while as I resented paying the student loan back.  I was given terrible advice from an "education and careers advisor" at the age of 16.  Went to Uni 3 months after my 17th Birthday and I wasn't ready for it.  Struggled for 2 years, was miserable and drunk most of the time.  Some of the guys in my year at school went and got a trade and some of them are earning stupid money for being as thick as 2 short planks. 

Now at the age of 36 I am toying with returning to Education for the correct reasons. 

They're earning stupid money for having saleable skills that are in demand..sounds the opposite of thick to me


Trust me they are definitely thick.  I still keep in touch with a few of these lads and it's staggering.  I don't begrudge them a thing fwiw, they work hard and support their families. 
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« Reply #10122 on: June 14, 2017, 11:25:17 AM »

That wasn't what I was thinking from what arbboy wrote Kieth.

I was thinking more that part of the (ucas?) process is you present some sort of due dilligence on the un i you're going to, the field you're studying and what sort of prospects you believe will yield from it.

IDK anythign about this stuff though, so pretty unqualified to even type on a gambling forum about it! Any teachers on Blonde? would be interesting to hear views?

Not a bad idea at least it would force the education system to think about what they are pushing people into.
Like someone else said at 18 it's dam hard to be making life defining choices. idk about you lot but at 18 I justed wanted to chase girls and have some beers.

To be honest I would like to see more support for practical based skills degrees.
Like having the bursaries for nurses was a great idea. Made it a much more appealing choice for people and supported them in a career that benefits all.
Removing that was a terrible move from the government.


Some degrees should be free, nursing being the prime example, just base it on needs...

I'd do this for nursing/doctors/dentistry etc so long as they were working in the NHS.  As soon as they step outside the NHS and go private or leave the country I'd hammer them with the student loans plus a premium.

A friend of my Mrs is a hospital doctor just now with a 5 year plan to get to consultant and as soon as that is achieved is off to Dubai.  Apparently they hire NHS consultants pay them a silly basic provide them with a car and housing.  All along the NHS has covered their rise to this level.  

If they go private in the UK but still do NHS work I would taper how much they pay back.  

I personally wish I never went to Uni, saddled with debt, never completed my degree, probably held me back for a while as I resented paying the student loan back.  I was given terrible advice from an "education and careers advisor" at the age of 16.  Went to Uni 3 months after my 17th Birthday and I wasn't ready for it.  Struggled for 2 years, was miserable and drunk most of the time.  Some of the guys in my year at school went and got a trade and some of them are earning stupid money for being as thick as 2 short planks.  

Now at the age of 36 I am toying with returning to Education for the correct reasons.  

They're earning stupid money for having saleable skills that are in demand..sounds the opposite of thick to me


Trust me they are definitely thick.  I still keep in touch with a few of these lads and it's staggering.  I don't begrudge them a thing fwiw, they work hard and support their families.  

Adrian Lewis is probably the thickest person on the planet.  He has a skill set that is in short supply and in high demand playing darts.  Therefore he makes lots of money.  Just the same as hundreds of plumbers, bricklayers etc around the country. They probably worked hard to qualify in a trade that has a short supply of workers but are in high demand hence the high wages.  Intelligence in the vast majority of jobs makes no difference in the slightest to people's earning power.  I know a self employed kitchen/bathroom fitter who makes £2-3k a week every week.  He is braindead intelligence wise but works hard and doesn't mind getting his hands dirty.  He earns way more than most educated professionals who look down their noses at him in the pub but he couldn't give a shit living mortgage free in a 5 bed house at 35!
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« Reply #10123 on: June 14, 2017, 11:43:15 AM »

I know a few guys like that Arb, and fair play to them. 

I also have a few mates i went to school with earning £50 - £60 k a year in trades who are skint every other month, still living in council houses running pre payment meters because they are giving a chunk to the wife to run the house, the rest is going up there nose or on the horses. 

It's not a massive generalisation I am making, I am speaking from specific experiences. 

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« Reply #10124 on: June 14, 2017, 11:46:04 AM »

I know a few guys like that Arb, and fair play to them.  

I also have a few mates i went to school with earning £50 - £60 k a year in trades who are skint every other month, still living in council houses running pre payment meters because they are giving a chunk to the wife to run the house, the rest is going up there nose or on the horses.  

It's not a massive generalisation I am making, I am speaking from specific experiences.  



What's wrong with doing whatever they want with their hard earned money?  People can spend their money on what they like if they earn it.  What is your point about them blowing it on drugs or gambling?  Anymore than blowing it on expensive clothes/cars or holidays?  I know loads of highly educated city types/accountants etc who are skint every month doing the same.
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