The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[RED-DOG]

Wreathgate should, by rights, be the end of Corbyn. It shows him in the clearest light

It won't be though. Like Trump, like Corbyn, for his supporters facts mean nothing

Anyone who pays attention to politics already knows whether they are voting for or against JC whenever the next election is. All that's left is the battle for people who don't consume politics (but do vote) until election time. I've no idea how big a % of the electorate that is.

With regards to Trump, I think 99% of Americans already know they hate or love him and you could do the 2020 election tomorrow and I suspect it would be the same outcome as 2020.

He could very easily get a second term. (God help us all and Oscar Wild)

[DaveShoelace]

Wreathgate should, by rights, be the end of Corbyn. It shows him in the clearest light

It won't be though. Like Trump, like Corbyn, for his supporters facts mean nothing

Anyone who pays attention to politics already knows whether they are voting for or against JC whenever the next election is. All that's left is the battle for people who don't consume politics (but do vote) until election time. I've no idea how big a % of the electorate that is.

With regards to Trump, I think 99% of Americans already know they hate or love him and you could do the 2020 election tomorrow and I suspect it would be the same outcome as 2020.

He could very easily get a second term. (God help us all and Oscar Wild)

I think he will

[Doobs]

"I was present when the EU referendum campaign took place, I don't think I was actually involved in it."

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[Doobs]

Wreathgate should, by rights, be the end of Corbyn. It shows him in the clearest light

It won't be though. Like Trump, like Corbyn, for his supporters facts mean nothing

Anyone who pays attention to politics already knows whether they are voting for or against JC whenever the next election is. All that's left is the battle for people who don't consume politics (but do vote) until election time. I've no idea how big a % of the electorate that is.

With regards to Trump, I think 99% of Americans already know they hate or love him and you could do the 2020 election tomorrow and I suspect it would be the same outcome as 2020.

meh, people change their mind all the time. I pay a lot of attention to politics, and have no idea who I am voting for next time, and don't have much idea what the choice will be. 

The picture is just as unclear in the US: The Democrat candidate is unknown; there is a high chance Trump is impeached; and if he isn't, he could be so badly damaged that even some of his must rabid fans can't just hold their noses and vote regardless.   

[Marky147]

Wreathgate should, by rights, be the end of Corbyn. It shows him in the clearest light

It won't be though. Like Trump, like Corbyn, for his supporters facts mean nothing

Anyone who pays attention to politics already knows whether they are voting for or against JC whenever the next election is. All that's left is the battle for people who don't consume politics (but do vote) until election time. I've no idea how big a % of the electorate that is.

With regards to Trump, I think 99% of Americans already know they hate or love him and you could do the 2020 election tomorrow and I suspect it would be the same outcome as 2020.

meh, people change their mind all the time. I pay a lot of attention to politics, and have no idea who I am voting for next time, and don't have much idea what the choice will be. 

The picture is just as unclear in the US: The Democrat candidate is unknown; there is a high chance Trump is impeached; and if he isn't, he could be so badly damaged that even some of his must rabid fans can't just hold their noses and vote regardless.   

I'm sure they can, and will.

Especially when the 'regressive left', as Dave Rubin likes to call them, keep shouting anyone of a differing viewpoint down.

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[MANTIS01]

UK unemployment at it's lowest level since 1975

[RED-DOG]

UK unemployment at it's lowest level since 1975

I bet It's because we're in the EU.

[MANTIS01]

UK unemployment at it's lowest level since 1975

I bet It's because we're in the EU.

I bet it's because Brexit has caused a 95% YOY drop in net EU migration to the UK

[Doobs]

UK unemployment at it's lowest level since 1975

I bet It's because we're in the EU.

I bet it's because Brexit has caused a 95% YOY drop in net EU migration to the UK

will lay all day.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/16/migration-to-uk-from-eu-falls-to-lowest-level-for-four-years-says-ons

[Woodsey]

UK unemployment at it's lowest level since 1975

I bet It's because we're in the EU.

I bet it's because Brexit has caused a 95% YOY drop in net EU migration to the UK

will lay all day.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/16/migration-to-uk-from-eu-falls-to-lowest-level-for-four-years-says-ons

Then you lose.

If you read around the various reports there is lots of ways to report and interpret the same numbers, what Mantis quotes is one way of interpreting those numbers. Lies, damn lies and statistics and all that.......

[neeko]

Brexit reminds me of British men in the summer, they are wearing shorts and t-shirts irrespective of the weather. If it’s cold and raining - doesn’t matter , it’s the summer so will keep wearing them.

[Doobs]

UK unemployment at it's lowest level since 1975

I bet It's because we're in the EU.

I bet it's because Brexit has caused a 95% YOY drop in net EU migration to the UK

will lay all day.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/16/migration-to-uk-from-eu-falls-to-lowest-level-for-four-years-says-ons

Then you lose.

If you read around the various reports there is lots of ways to report and interpret the same numbers, what Mantis quotes is one way of interpreting those numbers. Lies, damn lies and statistics and all that.......

Net EU migration is only down 50 % or so, year on year, so that half of the statement is false.  Migration Watch has similar numbers, but maybe there are alternative facts?

Net migration is down less overall, but still up on the year.  More net migrants should increase economic activity, therefore increasing employment overall.  So cause and effect are, at best, unproven.

But heh, he wins the bet because you, Mantis and somebody else on the internet say so.  Maybe we could go to IBAS if we want a less biassed judge?

[Woodsey]

Read around, the numbers Mantis quotes (and others) are out there. Travelling so no time to find it for you......

[doubleup]

Sir Micheal Rawlins - head of the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency was quoted in the Pharmaceutical Journal and picked up by Press Association.

When the regulator says there is an insulin supply chain problem under no deal

No insulin is made in the UK. It can't be by March.

What are the government going to do?

a friend of a friend has a T1 diabetic son. Went to doctor to try to stockpile, doctor only allowed to prescribe a month out

And other companies......

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-are-insulin-supplies-really-at-risk-from-a-no-deal-brexit

‘But more importantly, the companies that do supply (insulin to) the bulk of UK patients – even with products manufactured overseas – have told us that they don’t expect significant problems with supply in the event of a no-deal Brexit’

When the regulator says we make no insulin in the UK even though we do (albeit a tiny percentage) - that suggests to me he's making a political point rather than a regulatory one. It reminds me of politicians who exaggerate a situation to make a point when they'd have made it equally well by just stating the facts.

Although in this case, as Woodsey has pointed out, the pharmaceutical companies themselves don't think there will be a supply problem so it's likely that the worse that will happen is a slightly larger bill for insulin. Just something else to be added on to the economic cost of Brexit - but not a social one.

I really love these glib dismissals.

From one of the companies:

A spokesperson for HDA UK told FactCheck today that: “we are aware of proposals by the government and manufacturers to develop plans for stockpiling medicines of all types as a ‘buffer stock’ in the event of a ‘no deal Brexit’.”

So there is indeed a problem that will be mitigated by stockpiling.  Until when?  We start making our own?  Until it runs out and we get humanitarian relief?

I work for one of the companies, from our end it is the govt reaching out to us to guarantee stock as our supply chain team don’t think there will be a problem. From the horses mouth yesterday.....

This is what we have to look forward to with the US trade deal and private medicine

https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/americans-rationing-insulin-as-prices-skyrocket-1299839555826?v=raila

[nirvana]

Brexit reminds me of British men in the summer, they are wearing shorts and t-shirts irrespective of the weather. If it’s cold and raining - doesn’t matter , it’s the summer so will keep wearing them.

Nothing to do with Brexit but have felt our national logo should be a bald chubby guy in shorts in the rain with a 1 inch neck roll. Mebbe it's just where I live