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« Reply #13950 on: September 14, 2018, 10:29:43 PM »

Obvs no-one will watch this - so refreshing to see the style and class of this debate from 1975 - compared with the soundbitey twats that pass for MPs (large generalisation) thesedays. Oh for the days of cask aleand tankards

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« Reply #13951 on: September 15, 2018, 07:59:04 AM »

Obvs no-one will watch this - so refreshing to see the style and class of this debate from 1975 - compared with the soundbitey twats that pass for MPs (large generalisation) thesedays. Oh for the days of cask aleand tankards




Proper, reasoned, courteous debate.
Every politician in the country should be compelled to watch it.

Micheal Foot at his best, and expressing views about the EU that are as valid today as they were then.
Edward Heath making his case in a reasoned way, but clearly as wrong then as he would be today.

I can’t think of a current labour politician that is fit to button Foot’s donkey jacket. Jeremy Corbyn isn’t fit to be the chewing gum on the sole of his shoes.
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« Reply #13952 on: September 15, 2018, 08:47:48 AM »

Obvs no-one will watch this - so refreshing to see the style and class of this debate from 1975 - compared with the soundbitey twats that pass for MPs (large generalisation) thesedays. Oh for the days of cask aleand tankards




Proper, reasoned, courteous debate.
Every politician in the country should be compelled to watch it.

Micheal Foot at his best, and expressing views about the EU that are as valid today as they were then.
Edward Heath making his case in a reasoned way, but clearly as wrong then as he would be today.

I can’t think of a current labour politician that is fit to button Foot’s donkey jacket. Jeremy Corbyn isn’t fit to be the chewing gum on the sole of his shoes.

It would be interesting to know if you were such a big Foot fanboy in 1983 and if you were such a big Foot fan boy when he talked about anything other than membership of the Common Market/EU.
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« Reply #13953 on: September 15, 2018, 10:03:07 AM »

Wonder what these guys would've made of flying a big orange US president baby balloon outside parliament
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« Reply #13954 on: September 15, 2018, 11:09:44 AM »

Obvs no-one will watch this - so refreshing to see the style and class of this debate from 1975 - compared with the soundbitey twats that pass for MPs (large generalisation) thesedays. Oh for the days of cask aleand tankards




Proper, reasoned, courteous debate.
Every politician in the country should be compelled to watch it.

Micheal Foot at his best, and expressing views about the EU that are as valid today as they were then.
Edward Heath making his case in a reasoned way, but clearly as wrong then as he would be today.

I can’t think of a current labour politician that is fit to button Foot’s donkey jacket. Jeremy Corbyn isn’t fit to be the chewing gum on the sole of his shoes.

And in as spooky piece of timing, today's front page splash headline in The Times is......

"MI6 believed Michael Foot was a paid Soviet informant

Truth about former Labour leader emerges 23 years after he sued Sunday Times for libel."
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« Reply #13955 on: September 15, 2018, 02:59:06 PM »

Obvs no-one will watch this - so refreshing to see the style and class of this debate from 1975 - compared with the soundbitey twats that pass for MPs (large generalisation) thesedays. Oh for the days of cask aleand tankards




Proper, reasoned, courteous debate.
Every politician in the country should be compelled to watch it.

Micheal Foot at his best, and expressing views about the EU that are as valid today as they were then.
Edward Heath making his case in a reasoned way, but clearly as wrong then as he would be today.

I can’t think of a current labour politician that is fit to button Foot’s donkey jacket. Jeremy Corbyn isn’t fit to be the chewing gum on the sole of his shoes.

And in as spooky piece of timing, today's front page splash headline in The Times is......

"MI6 believed Michael Foot was a paid Soviet informant

Truth about former Labour leader emerges 23 years after he sued Sunday Times for libel."

No bias in their then

This para from the BBC what the papers say page says more than enough about the story


British intelligence services believed former Labour leader Michael Foot had been a KGB informant at the height of the Cold War, the Times reports. A book by Times columnist Ben Macintyre, which is being serialised in the paper, claims Soviet defector Oleg Gordievsky told MI6 that Mr Foot had received clandestine payments from the KGB, which classed him as an agent. Mr Foot successfully sued the Times in the 90s after it published similar claims.

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« Reply #13956 on: September 15, 2018, 03:04:41 PM »

Obvs no-one will watch this - so refreshing to see the style and class of this debate from 1975 - compared with the soundbitey twats that pass for MPs (large generalisation) thesedays. Oh for the days of cask aleand tankards




Proper, reasoned, courteous debate.
Every politician in the country should be compelled to watch it.

Micheal Foot at his best, and expressing views about the EU that are as valid today as they were then.
Edward Heath making his case in a reasoned way, but clearly as wrong then as he would be today.

I can’t think of a current labour politician that is fit to button Foot’s donkey jacket. Jeremy Corbyn isn’t fit to be the chewing gum on the sole of his shoes.

It would be interesting to know if you were such a big Foot fanboy in 1983 and if you were such a big Foot fan boy when he talked about anything other than membership of the Common Market/EU.

No, I wasn’t a massive Foot fan boy in 1983, but I still had respect for his intellect and his principles. There are many socialist MPs/politicians who warrant our respect. Foot, Barbara Xastle, Benn snr and jnr, Skinner, John Smith to name a few.

I’m not a fan of many in the current batch from either side (if there are still discernible sides).

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« Reply #13957 on: September 15, 2018, 03:16:43 PM »

Obvs no-one will watch this - so refreshing to see the style and class of this debate from 1975 - compared with the soundbitey twats that pass for MPs (large generalisation) thesedays. Oh for the days of cask aleand tankards




Proper, reasoned, courteous debate.
Every politician in the country should be compelled to watch it.

Micheal Foot at his best, and expressing views about the EU that are as valid today as they were then.
Edward Heath making his case in a reasoned way, but clearly as wrong then as he would be today.

I can’t think of a current labour politician that is fit to button Foot’s donkey jacket. Jeremy Corbyn isn’t fit to be the chewing gum on the sole of his shoes.

It would be interesting to know if you were such a big Foot fanboy in 1983 and if you were such a big Foot fan boy when he talked about anything other than membership of the Common Market/EU.

No, I wasn’t a massive Foot fan boy in 1983, but I still had respect for his intellect and his principles. There are many socialist MPs/politicians who warrant our respect. Foot, Barbara Xastle, Benn snr and jnr, Skinner, John Smith to name a few.

I’m not a fan of many in the current batch from either side (if there are still discernible sides).


OK, cool, makes sense to me. Thanks for the proper response. When I referenced “TB” the other day, which in itself was plain silly to be deliberately ambiguous, I meant Benn Snr.
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« Reply #13958 on: September 20, 2018, 07:46:00 AM »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45578047

Seems like we are edging closer to the end game.

Nice to see the EU leaders giving May ten minutes to make her case at the end of dinner.

Their generosity knows no bounds.

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« Reply #13959 on: September 20, 2018, 02:41:56 PM »

Donald Tusk pronounces common rule book on goods and FCA dead: "We all agreed Chequers proposals for economic cooperation will not work, not least because it will undermine the single market".

someone somewhere has to compromise or else its no deal
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« Reply #13960 on: September 20, 2018, 03:18:30 PM »

Macron: "Brexit is the choice of the British people... pushed by those who predicted easy solutions... Those people are liars. They left the next day so they didn’t have to manage it."

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« Reply #13961 on: September 20, 2018, 03:24:48 PM »

Theresa May doesn't have the political room to go Norway even if she wanted to. So, if the EU won't bite on Chequers, then she is going to be pushed back towards Canada

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 Norway must allow the free movement of goods, capital, services and persons with its fellow members.

These are the EU's four fundamental freedoms as set out in the Treaty of Rome, the cherished accomplishment of Europe's drive towards peace and unity after World War II.

EEA members must accept EU rules in many important sectors, including competition, consumer protection and the environment, with rules updated automatically in line with EU legislation.

The big advantage for Britain in the Norway model is that its financial hub in London would remain undisturbed.

By remaining in the single market, the City of London would keep its unfettered access to Europe and remain the launching point for US and Asian banks into the EU.

Britain's vote to ditch the EU was a clear rejection in particular of freedom of movement, making the Norway option untenable fr the ERG

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The lack of obligations on Canada in return for EU market access has made a CETA-style relationship attractive to some Brexiteers, as it would respect campaign promises to end large sums of money being sent to Brussels and allow greater controls on EU immigration.

But, critics have pointed out such an agreement would not offer the same level of access to EU markets for UK companies - especially in the dominant services sector - as currently enjoyed under Britain's membership of the single market and customs union.

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« Reply #13962 on: September 20, 2018, 03:29:19 PM »

a good photo can say a lot

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« Reply #13963 on: September 20, 2018, 03:56:59 PM »

Brexiteers are blaming the EU and Theresa May for the crisis but the truth is that Brexit is defeating itself,

says this

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/09/chequers-was-always-doomed-leavers-can-t-blame-eu-brexit-defeating-itself
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« Reply #13964 on: September 20, 2018, 03:57:57 PM »

Peston

When was there last a diplomatic and negotiating humiliation for the UK quite like May’s Salzburg debacle?

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