The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[arbboy]

Bit right wing heavy in here tonight so i have taken a back seat.  Glad Dung understood my point!

[kukushkin88]

Anyone who thinks there is a lot of poverty in this country (some politician was even saying 15 mill the other day) needs to get their arse over to India or somewhere similar for a reality check and a benchmark as to what real poverty is.......

They aren’t interested in the truth.  The term “poverty” has been childishly cannibalised over the last decade by the Left and it just hinders debate.

Loads of people are interested in the truth and think the massive inequality should be addressed. No one should live in poverty in the 5th richest country in the world. In your opinion is there a way this can be achieved?

[kukushkin88]

Of course when we talk about the richest countries in the world, we are only really discussing how rich the richest people are. We could aspire to a bit more equality and less GDP, it would probably be more sustainable.

[Marky147]

Anyone who thinks there is a lot of poverty in this country (some politician was even saying 15 mill the other day) needs to get their arse over to India or somewhere similar for a reality check and a benchmark as to what real poverty is.......

They aren’t interested in the truth.  The term “poverty” has been childishly cannibalised over the last decade by the Left and it just hinders debate.

Loads of people are interested in the truth and think the massive inequality should be addressed. No one should live in poverty in the 5th richest country in the world. In your opinion is there a way this can be achieved?

Dung broke that down in more depth only a post before this one, mate.

[kukushkin88]

Anyone who thinks there is a lot of poverty in this country (some politician was even saying 15 mill the other day) needs to get their arse over to India or somewhere similar for a reality check and a benchmark as to what real poverty is.......

They aren’t interested in the truth.  The term “poverty” has been childishly cannibalised over the last decade by the Left and it just hinders debate.

Loads of people are interested in the truth and think the massive inequality should be addressed. No one should live in poverty in the 5th richest country in the world. In your opinion is there a way this can be achieved?

Dung broke that down in more depth only a post before this one, mate.

I read it, we’ve discussed it before. Our economy is fundamentally different and in a different place to theirs. Our growth (GDP) is only the incredibly rich getting a little richer.

[RickBFA]

The definition of poverty is a blunt instrument that as mentioned has been hijacked by the left.

I know a lady who has income of around £1,000 per month. She lives happily on it and wants for nothing she needs. She also happens to have £700k in investments that she doesn’t touch and a house she owns outright.

She would fall into the income definition of poverty when she couldn’t be further than poverty stricken.

[kukushkin88]

The definition of poverty is a blunt instrument that as mentioned has been hijacked by the left.

I know a lady who has income of around £1,000 per month. She lives happily on it and wants for nothing she needs. She also happens to have £700k in investments that she doesn’t touch and a house she owns outright.

She would fall into the income definition of poverty when she couldn’t be further than poverty stricken.

Do we think situations are common enough to skew the figures significantly? Do we think 9 years and counting of not funding public service is contributing to poverty?

[kukushkin88]

*Edit: It should read ‘situations like that’.

[Jon MW]

Anyone who thinks there is a lot of poverty in this country (some politician was even saying 15 mill the other day) needs to get their arse over to India or somewhere similar for a reality check and a benchmark as to what real poverty is.......

They aren’t interested in the truth.  The term “poverty” has been childishly cannibalised over the last decade by the Left and it just hinders debate.

Loads of people are interested in the truth and think the massive inequality should be addressed. No one should live in poverty in the 5th richest country in the world. In your opinion is there a way this can be achieved?

Dung broke that down in more depth only a post before this one, mate.

I read it, we’ve discussed it before. Our economy is fundamentally different and in a different place to theirs. Our growth (GDP) is only the incredibly rich getting a little richer.

"The proportion of low-paid workers in Britain has fallen to its lowest level since 1980, a think tank has said, with young adults particularly benefitting." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48446811

Your arguments would carry a lot more weight if you wrote less extreme statements about what you believe rather than what there is actually evidence of.

[kukushkin88]

Anyone who thinks there is a lot of poverty in this country (some politician was even saying 15 mill the other day) needs to get their arse over to India or somewhere similar for a reality check and a benchmark as to what real poverty is.......

They aren’t interested in the truth.  The term “poverty” has been childishly cannibalised over the last decade by the Left and it just hinders debate.

Loads of people are interested in the truth and think the massive inequality should be addressed. No one should live in poverty in the 5th richest country in the world. In your opinion is there a way this can be achieved?

Dung broke that down in more depth only a post before this one, mate.

I read it, we’ve discussed it before. Our economy is fundamentally different and in a different place to theirs. Our growth (GDP) is only the incredibly rich getting a little richer.

"The proportion of low-paid workers in Britain has fallen to its lowest level since 1980, a think tank has said, with young adults particularly benefitting." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48446811

Your arguments would carry a lot more weight if you wrote less extreme statements about what you believe rather than what there is actually evidence of.

Good morning, Yep, that’s a reasonable point, thanks. Thanks to Marky as well for recent attempts to steer me on to a more reasonable line of discussing things.

[MANTIS01]

Yep arguments always carry more weight when they’re true

[DungBeetle]

Anyone who thinks there is a lot of poverty in this country (some politician was even saying 15 mill the other day) needs to get their arse over to India or somewhere similar for a reality check and a benchmark as to what real poverty is.......

They aren’t interested in the truth.  The term “poverty” has been childishly cannibalised over the last decade by the Left and it just hinders debate.

Loads of people are interested in the truth and think the massive inequality should be addressed. No one should live in poverty in the 5th richest country in the world. In your opinion is there a way this can be achieved?

Of course it can be achieved.  Scandanavian levels of tax where everyone pays more and the rich doubly so.

But on poverty you’ve made my point for me in your post by interchanging poverty and inequality.  When you say poverty are you referring to relative or absolute poverty?   They probably need different government policy to address.

[kukushkin88]

Anyone who thinks there is a lot of poverty in this country (some politician was even saying 15 mill the other day) needs to get their arse over to India or somewhere similar for a reality check and a benchmark as to what real poverty is.......

They aren’t interested in the truth.  The term “poverty” has been childishly cannibalised over the last decade by the Left and it just hinders debate.

Loads of people are interested in the truth and think the massive inequality should be addressed. No one should live in poverty in the 5th richest country in the world. In your opinion is there a way this can be achieved?

Dung broke that down in more depth only a post before this one, mate.

I read it, we’ve discussed it before. Our economy is fundamentally different and in a different place to theirs. Our growth (GDP) is only the incredibly rich getting a little richer.

"The proportion of low-paid workers in Britain has fallen to its lowest level since 1980, a think tank has said, with young adults particularly benefitting." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48446811

Your arguments would carry a lot more weight if you wrote less extreme statements about what you believe rather than what there is actually evidence of.

Good morning, Yep, that’s a reasonable point, thanks. Thanks to Marky as well for recent attempts to steer me on to a more reasonable line of discussing things.

The article you linked is very recent and something that I was unaware of, it’s a small step in the right direction.

Plenty of interesting info here:

https://www.businessleader.co.uk/why-are-the-the-rich-getting-richer-and-the-poor-poorer/60608/

[kukushkin88]

Anyone who thinks there is a lot of poverty in this country (some politician was even saying 15 mill the other day) needs to get their arse over to India or somewhere similar for a reality check and a benchmark as to what real poverty is.......

They aren’t interested in the truth.  The term “poverty” has been childishly cannibalised over the last decade by the Left and it just hinders debate.

Loads of people are interested in the truth and think the massive inequality should be addressed. No one should live in poverty in the 5th richest country in the world. In your opinion is there a way this can be achieved?

Of course it can be achieved.  Scandanavian levels of tax where everyone pays more and the rich doubly so.

But on poverty you’ve made my point for me in your post by interchanging poverty and inequality.  When you say poverty are you referring to relative or absolute poverty?   They probably need different government policy to address.

The figures I cited were for relative poverty.

https://www.norden.org/en/news/increasing-income-inequality-nordics

[kukushkin88]

Yep arguments always carry more weight when they’re true

You make an excellent point, you’re not well placed to teach this lesson though. I’m still looking for the study that showed worker output in the NE up 30% when Newcastle win :-).