The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[TightEnd]

Brexit under Boris Johnson: The Scenarios

good primer for the weeks ahead

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/jul/23/brexit-under-boris-johnson-the-scenarios

[TightEnd]

Raoul Ruparel, one of May’s closest Brexit advisers, is leaving No10 today after being unable to agree on strategy with incoming Team Boris.

Big indication of a dramatic change of strategy coming. As you would expect, good or bad.

Going to be dramatic weeks i think.

Might even be fun to post daily links to try and follow along.

[4KSuited]

A 52 Page souvenir special no less, and a cover to remember

A classic. Think I might even buy a copy.

[RickBFA]

So people are aware

Jared O'Meara sacked all his staff

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/politics/sheffield-mp-jared-omara-sacks-all-of-his-staff-and-locks-them-out-of-his-office-39681

may well have recruited Gareth Arnold. as he is mentioned here

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/politics/its-just-not-good-enough-mums-anger-after-sheffield-hallam-mp-jared-omara-cancels-three-meetings-486078

There seems little doubt that Gareth is unpleasant

https://twitter.com/garetharnolduk

There is a lot of history appearing, which suggests he wasn't the greatest choice to be comms director for a left wing MP

Piers Morgan seems to be correct

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1153764867624456197

On the other side Jared has a worse attendence record, and has done less for his constituents, than Nigel Farage.

If people want to carry this on, please consider that Jared O'Meara has previously stated he has made 3 suicide attempts, has some serious mental health issues and has cerebral palsy.  It appears he may also have addiction issues.

Clearly a terrible MP, but probably needs a better support network than Gareth.   

I found that a rather strange post Doobs.

Especially the “if people want to carry this on” comment.

Whatever his personal issues (and of course he should get help), he put himself forward for a high profile position as a public servant where his behaviour and ability to serve constituents will be tested in the full glare of public/press scrutiny.

Given his past history, lack of experience etc, it is crazy that he got the Labour Party supported him running in the first place. His comments have offended numerous people.

Unfortunately, the people in this constituency deserve better.

[Karabiner]

One thing I like about Boris's stated position is that it has become immeasurably stronger in negotiations with the EU by not ruling out No Deal.

I'm sure that they(the EU) are equally concerned about No Deal and might now have to moderate their previous "non-negotiable" demands.

I'm less worried about Boris in the short-term.

[Cf]

One thing I like about Boris's stated position is that it has become immeasurably stronger in negotiations with the EU by not ruling out No Deal.

I'm sure that they(the EU) are equally concerned about No Deal and might now have to moderate their previous "non-negotiable" demands.

I'm less worried about Boris in the short-term.

Eh?

Why would the EU be worried about no deal? Parliament has made it clear they won't let it happen.

[Doobs]

So people are aware

Jared O'Meara sacked all his staff

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/politics/sheffield-mp-jared-omara-sacks-all-of-his-staff-and-locks-them-out-of-his-office-39681

may well have recruited Gareth Arnold. as he is mentioned here

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/politics/its-just-not-good-enough-mums-anger-after-sheffield-hallam-mp-jared-omara-cancels-three-meetings-486078

There seems little doubt that Gareth is unpleasant

https://twitter.com/garetharnolduk

There is a lot of history appearing, which suggests he wasn't the greatest choice to be comms director for a left wing MP

Piers Morgan seems to be correct

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1153764867624456197

On the other side Jared has a worse attendence record, and has done less for his constituents, than Nigel Farage.

If people want to carry this on, please consider that Jared O'Meara has previously stated he has made 3 suicide attempts, has some serious mental health issues and has cerebral palsy.  It appears he may also have addiction issues.

Clearly a terrible MP, but probably needs a better support network than Gareth.   

I found that a rather strange post Doobs.

Especially the “if people want to carry this on” comment.

Whatever his personal issues (and of course he should get help), he put himself forward for a high profile position as a public servant where his behaviour and ability to serve constituents will be tested in the full glare of public/press scrutiny.

Given his past history, lack of experience etc, it is crazy that he got the Labour Party supported him running in the first place. His comments have offended numerous people.

Unfortunately, the people in this constituency deserve better.

Hi Rick

Just pointing out that the person who started this pile on seems to be a fairly unpleasant character.  It just left a bad taste in my mouth that his "friend" seems to have rocked up in his life, worked for him for a couple of months then thrown him under the bus.  It is particularly unsavory as your MP seems in a bad place. I wish I hadn't added to the pile on.  I thought it was good to put some background out there, so people could make better judgements about Jared O'Mara and the reliability of his "comms" team.  Read the links and do a bit of googling on Gareth if you still think this is exactly as presented this morning.

As stated above, he is clearly a terrible MP.  In addition, he should never have been selected as an MP, should never have been taken back in by the labour party etc, but too late for that.

[Doobs]

So people are aware

Jared O'Meara sacked all his staff

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/politics/sheffield-mp-jared-omara-sacks-all-of-his-staff-and-locks-them-out-of-his-office-39681

may well have recruited Gareth Arnold. as he is mentioned here

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/politics/its-just-not-good-enough-mums-anger-after-sheffield-hallam-mp-jared-omara-cancels-three-meetings-486078

There seems little doubt that Gareth is unpleasant

https://twitter.com/garetharnolduk

There is a lot of history appearing, which suggests he wasn't the greatest choice to be comms director for a left wing MP

Piers Morgan seems to be correct

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1153764867624456197

On the other side Jared has a worse attendence record, and has done less for his constituents, than Nigel Farage.

If people want to carry this on, please consider that Jared O'Meara has previously stated he has made 3 suicide attempts, has some serious mental health issues and has cerebral palsy.  It appears he may also have addiction issues.

Clearly a terrible MP, but probably needs a better support network than Gareth.   

I found that a rather strange post Doobs.

Especially the “if people want to carry this on” comment.

Whatever his personal issues (and of course he should get help), he put himself forward for a high profile position as a public servant where his behaviour and ability to serve constituents will be tested in the full glare of public/press scrutiny.

Given his past history, lack of experience etc, it is crazy that he got the Labour Party supported him running in the first place. His comments have offended numerous people.

Unfortunately, the people in this constituency deserve better.

Hi Rick

Just pointing out that the person who started this pile on seems to be a fairly unpleasant character.  It just left a bad taste in my mouth that his "friend" seems to have rocked up in his life, worked for him for a couple of months then thrown him under the bus.  It is particularly unsavory as your MP seems in a bad place. I wish I hadn't added to the pile on.  I thought it was good to put some background out there, so people could make better judgements about Jared O'Mara and the reliability of his "comms" team.  Read the links and do a bit of googling on Gareth if you still think this is exactly as presented this morning.

As stated above, he is clearly a terrible MP.  In addition, he should never have been selected as an MP, should never have been taken back in by the labour party etc, but too late for that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Arnold etc

[Doobs]

So people are aware

Jared O'Meara sacked all his staff

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/politics/sheffield-mp-jared-omara-sacks-all-of-his-staff-and-locks-them-out-of-his-office-39681

may well have recruited Gareth Arnold. as he is mentioned here

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/politics/its-just-not-good-enough-mums-anger-after-sheffield-hallam-mp-jared-omara-cancels-three-meetings-486078

There seems little doubt that Gareth is unpleasant

https://twitter.com/garetharnolduk

There is a lot of history appearing, which suggests he wasn't the greatest choice to be comms director for a left wing MP

Piers Morgan seems to be correct

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1153764867624456197

On the other side Jared has a worse attendence record, and has done less for his constituents, than Nigel Farage.

If people want to carry this on, please consider that Jared O'Meara has previously stated he has made 3 suicide attempts, has some serious mental health issues and has cerebral palsy.  It appears he may also have addiction issues.

Clearly a terrible MP, but probably needs a better support network than Gareth.   

I found that a rather strange post Doobs.

Especially the “if people want to carry this on” comment.

Whatever his personal issues (and of course he should get help), he put himself forward for a high profile position as a public servant where his behaviour and ability to serve constituents will be tested in the full glare of public/press scrutiny.

Given his past history, lack of experience etc, it is crazy that he got the Labour Party supported him running in the first place. His comments have offended numerous people.

Unfortunately, the people in this constituency deserve better.

Hi Rick

Just pointing out that the person who started this pile on seems to be a fairly unpleasant character.  It just left a bad taste in my mouth that his "friend" seems to have rocked up in his life, worked for him for a couple of months then thrown him under the bus.  It is particularly unsavory as your MP seems in a bad place. I wish I hadn't added to the pile on.  I thought it was good to put some background out there, so people could make better judgements about Jared O'Mara and the reliability of his "comms" team.  Read the links and do a bit of googling on Gareth if you still think this is exactly as presented this morning.

As stated above, he is clearly a terrible MP.  In addition, he should never have been selected as an MP, should never have been taken back in by the labour party etc, but too late for that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Arnold etc

I guess this is worth a read too.  I would like to explain what is going on, but it doesn't seem easy to tell fact from fiction.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Gareth_Arnold

I feel I can best start off what I suspect will be a slightly contentious AFD with a quote from the article itself:

"The articles created by Arnold cited unreliable and often irrelevant sources, but rather a similar thing or topic to give it added authority."

Frankly that says it all in the case of this article. It is absolutely riddled with impressive-looking citations that actually do not back up the claim in the text, most of which do not even mention the subject of the article (by any of his various names or pseudonyms). I spent some time this morning checking these and stripping them out, but it's become exhausting particularly as I've come to the conclusion the article merits deletion in any case.

Leaving aside the carnage of the citations, this individual basically has three (maybe four) claims to notability, which I'm going to address:

Creator of British Furst. This has genuinely attracted a fair bit of press coverage, and could possibly be the subject of a standalone article, but Arnold does not get inherited notability from this, and most of the articles about BF do not actually mention him. Those that do, mention him briefly and in passing. The same goes for BFNN, which seems to be broadly the same thing.
The LID Bible / LAD Bible case. A parody Facebook account that attracted a bit of attention for being sued by the subject *might* just merit a mention on LADBible. Maybe you could make a case for a standalone page for LID Bible given the coverage, though I'd argue against it, but a standalone page for the creator? Nope.
And then there's his recent behaviour re Jared O'Mara and twitter. Clearly this is a recent event and we can see how it develops, but, while it will undoubtedly generate some stories that name Arnold, it seems unlikely to be enough to be more than a brief news story that might merit a mention on O'Mara's page, and is not sufficient to overcome WP:NOTNEWS or WP:BLP1E.
Even if it turns out that consensus is that those three items above are sufficient for Arnold to merit a standalone article, I'd make the case that this is one of those very rare situations where WP:TNT really might be called for. Hugsyrup 09:04, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

[Woodsey]

Are you listening doomsters and gloomsters 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/49096979/first-downing-street-speech-from-pm-boris-johnson

[aaron1867]

THis cabinet re-shuffle is going to be either great or absolute carnage in terms of who he put on the back benches,

My gut feeling is that considering what Boris has said and the people he has put on the back benches, it gives a second referendum a real chance of getting a majority in parliament. Hunt and Hammond have both said it is a possibility and now given there positions, they could vote for it in another vote. Taking Hunt out of the Foreign Office is just going to see him pull a few strings at the back.

Away from that I think Boris is very unlikely and lucky to be facing a no confidence vote tomorrow. People put all the reasons out about why he is or isn't, but I think the real reason why he won't be is because of the by-election in August, which could be vital to just getting a NC over the line.

Forget today and yesterday, I think tomorrow will be when we get to see the reality of a country led by a racist.

[aaron1867]

So people are aware

Jared O'Meara sacked all his staff

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/politics/sheffield-mp-jared-omara-sacks-all-of-his-staff-and-locks-them-out-of-his-office-39681

may well have recruited Gareth Arnold. as he is mentioned here

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/politics/its-just-not-good-enough-mums-anger-after-sheffield-hallam-mp-jared-omara-cancels-three-meetings-486078

There seems little doubt that Gareth is unpleasant

https://twitter.com/garetharnolduk

There is a lot of history appearing, which suggests he wasn't the greatest choice to be comms director for a left wing MP

Piers Morgan seems to be correct

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1153764867624456197

On the other side Jared has a worse attendence record, and has done less for his constituents, than Nigel Farage.

If people want to carry this on, please consider that Jared O'Meara has previously stated he has made 3 suicide attempts, has some serious mental health issues and has cerebral palsy.  It appears he may also have addiction issues.

Clearly a terrible MP, but probably needs a better support network than Gareth.   

Some of the stuff and links you have posted are false. I know bits that never get publicised about JOM, which potentially would change people's minds on him.

Also, your post is pretty ridic really. You're here telling us about JOM and his private life, but here you are making a big song and dance out of it. As for addiction issues, why is this relevant? I think you are just putting 2 and 2 together because someone mentioned the word "degenerate" in the media.

But can I also make this point about MP's and I am not saying JOM is blameless, but they are dealing with dozens of queries every day. You're 80% likely to be dealing with the MP's assistant than the MP themselves. Everytime I have queried something with my MP (it's not JOM btw) it's been by a "parliamentary assistant". JOM is just a human being like the rest of us, not a machine. 

All of this drama is all to do on what side of the fence you sit. JOM has probably done less, but should someone be outing him for it, like that? I don't think so.

[Doobs]

So people are aware

Jared O'Meara sacked all his staff

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/politics/sheffield-mp-jared-omara-sacks-all-of-his-staff-and-locks-them-out-of-his-office-39681

may well have recruited Gareth Arnold. as he is mentioned here

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/politics/its-just-not-good-enough-mums-anger-after-sheffield-hallam-mp-jared-omara-cancels-three-meetings-486078

There seems little doubt that Gareth is unpleasant

https://twitter.com/garetharnolduk

There is a lot of history appearing, which suggests he wasn't the greatest choice to be comms director for a left wing MP

Piers Morgan seems to be correct

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1153764867624456197

On the other side Jared has a worse attendence record, and has done less for his constituents, than Nigel Farage.

If people want to carry this on, please consider that Jared O'Meara has previously stated he has made 3 suicide attempts, has some serious mental health issues and has cerebral palsy.  It appears he may also have addiction issues.

Clearly a terrible MP, but probably needs a better support network than Gareth.   

Some of the stuff and links you have posted are false. I know bits that never get publicised about JOM, which potentially would change people's minds on him.

Also, your post is pretty ridic really. You're here telling us about JOM and his private life, but here you are making a big song and dance out of it. As for addiction issues, why is this relevant? I think you are just putting 2 and 2 together because someone mentioned the word "degenerate" in the media.

But can I also make this point about MP's and I am not saying JOM is blameless, but they are dealing with dozens of queries every day. You're 80% likely to be dealing with the MP's assistant than the MP themselves. Everytime I have queried something with my MP (it's not JOM btw) it's been by a "parliamentary assistant". JOM is just a human being like the rest of us, not a machine. 

All of this drama is all to do on what side of the fence you sit. JOM has probably done less, but should someone be outing him for it, like that? I don't think so.

I think I was agreeing with you, I have made clear I am pretty uncomfortable with this outing from "Gareth".  I have also posted links about "Gareth", so people can make judgements about his reliability as a witness.

If you read the links, you'll see that "Gareth" posted a tweet about Jared drinking a litre of vodka before an interview.  I have no idea if that is true or not, as Gareth himself admits he is a troll and that he makes shit up.  It was nothing to do with any mention of degenerate in the press.

Good work from "Gareth" to distract us all from all the scumbags that Boris has put in his cabinet.

Have a good evening Aaron.   

[MANTIS01]

Aaron is quite right about Boris being a racist.

Sure, people might say he sacked off white cabinet members, replacing top jobs of Chancellor/Home Secretary with Javid and Patel.

But don’t forget he is a liar too so these are just the actions of a weird racist liar.

[BigAdz]

Aaron is quite right about Boris being a racist.

Sure, people might say he sacked off white cabinet members, replacing top jobs of Chancellor/Home Secretary with Javid and Patel.

But don’t forget he is a liar too so these are just the actions of a weird racist liar.

Must be a front. To give the top jobs to non whites, the evil racist liar must have a dastardly plan up his sleeve.