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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
Conservative - 19 (33.9%)
Labour - 12 (21.4%)
SNP - 2 (3.6%)
Lib Dem - 8 (14.3%)
Brexit - 1 (1.8%)
Green - 6 (10.7%)
Other - 2 (3.6%)
Spoil - 0 (0%)
Not voting - 6 (10.7%)
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« Reply #19815 on: August 15, 2019, 08:14:06 PM »

The most enjoyable part of the Tory cabinet current posturing - solidarity, collective responsibility etc is that it makes the remain crowd look more than faintly ridiculous - all of them in favour of a GNU as long as it's their brand of unity.

Imagine being a remainer and you're represented by Corbyn, Sturgeon, Swinson, Lucas, and that bloke from Plaid
 





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« Reply #19816 on: August 15, 2019, 08:38:52 PM »

It's the fault of how the referendum question was put. It allowed hundreds of different versions of Brexit to coalesce into one "leave" box.

I don't believe the majority of leave voters wanted no deal when they voted.

However to deny that option if that is all there is left (now) obviously causes much consternation of ignoring direct democracy from those who want their vote respected etc

It's a mess.

It really wasn’t the fault of how the referendum question was put. It’s that conviction causing much problem here.

People were deeply dissatisfied with a broad range of principles this island nation isn’t aligned with. Those concerns would’ve been drawn together under any question. Personally I must’ve missed the Leave with a Deal box on the ballot, it just said Leave, that’s the mandate, not your guess at the mandate.

For sure we have the economic argument to remain but perhaps there’s hope because we enter a struggling world bargaining with attractive trade figures

The other option is to force remain, flick V’s at democracy, not guarantee economic prosperity but ensure for certain all those original concerns remain unsolved, all that dissatisfaction remains. So in fact less hope, less control, plus economic stagnation, oh and plus JCorbs in the saddle. I guarantee nobody voted for any of that.
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« Reply #19817 on: August 15, 2019, 08:48:19 PM »

You weren't voting to no deal that's for sure. As has been mentioned dozens of times it only emerged as a term in 2017 after the referendum, documented as such in analysis of search engines.

It would of course "be the easiest deal in history"
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« Reply #19818 on: August 15, 2019, 09:01:43 PM »

I just voted Leave as per the question and the available options

Simply assumed business would take care of itself, still think that
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« Reply #19819 on: August 15, 2019, 09:08:24 PM »

You weren't voting to no deal that's for sure. As has been mentioned dozens of times it only emerged as a term in 2017 after the referendum, documented as such in analysis of search engines.

It would of course "be the easiest deal in history"

No deal was a derogatory construct invented to shift focus and obscure matters so it's not a surprise it emerged later. The reason we didn't debate leave with a deal ,with no deal or remain is because the choice was clear, leave all the institutions of the EU or remain in them.

The nature of any future trade arrangements were speculated on but were not questions we were asked so the referendum question was clear and the answer was clear. Old ground but the government pamphlet clearly made this clear choice we had to make, crystal clear at the time, clearly.

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« Reply #19820 on: August 15, 2019, 09:11:42 PM »

I would say regarding it as a derogatory construct, by implication project fear, was a drastic miscalculation now that it is becoming fact. Consequences of this complacency by leavers particularly those with votes in Parliament to be seen shortly
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« Reply #19821 on: August 15, 2019, 09:47:22 PM »

It's the fault of how the referendum question was put. It allowed hundreds of different versions of Brexit to coalesce into one "leave" box.

I don't believe the majority of leave voters wanted no deal when they voted.

However to deny that option if that is all there is left (now) obviously causes much consternation of ignoring direct democracy from those who want their vote respected etc

It's a mess.


Not quite sure how you can that that when the leave voters on here have discussed it til we are blue in the face and still want to leave.....
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« Reply #19822 on: August 15, 2019, 10:05:29 PM »

If we look to assign complacency it falls firmly into the remain camp

Very few leavers cast their vote with economics and affluence in mind. It was a principle lead decision. Personally I objected to the growing federalism and encroachment of EU into a variety of areas without due democratic process. It was growing and changing far beyond the original agreement. Even now I decide to be economically poorer to continue that principled objection. Funny that remain respect the principles of the EU over those of their fellow citizens.

But anyhows it’s the remainers who now raise economic argument with such gusto that are guilty of complacency. Not that I think it wudda made much difference...other than to remove the now incessant argument leavers were clueless or complacent
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« Reply #19823 on: August 15, 2019, 10:18:38 PM »

I would say regarding it as a derogatory construct, by implication project fear, was a drastic miscalculation now that it is becoming fact. Consequences of this complacency by leavers particularly those with votes in Parliament to be seen shortly

I'd say its become that but didn't necessarily start as that.

Parliament voted to invoke A50 after May's lancaster house speech that said no deal was better than a bad deal. Ergo, no deal was a serious option at the time when parliament voted to invoke.
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« Reply #19824 on: August 16, 2019, 12:18:31 AM »

Just read five pages on the tram back from the pub - I think this is the highlight.

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« Reply #19825 on: August 16, 2019, 07:10:15 AM »

Average wage for Brexit voters is £21,700.

Hardly surprising.

No idea where you pull some of the shite you spurt Aaron

Here is an interesting article that challenges some of your name calling

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/brexit-and-the-squeezed-middle/

It's just stats that pop up in the news, I kinda wonder how the media get this kind of information to be honest.

Last week it as reporting majority of peados support brexit, EDL support brexit, lowest intelligent support brexit and today they are shown as the lowest paid. It's clear to see how we got into this position when you can see the type of people who support Brexit.

It's no particular surprise Adz voted for Brexit either. He's still throwing the insults.
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« Reply #19826 on: August 16, 2019, 07:50:41 AM »

Average wage for Brexit voters is £21,700.

Hardly surprising.

No idea where you pull some of the shite you spurt Aaron

Here is an interesting article that challenges some of your name calling

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/brexit-and-the-squeezed-middle/

It's just stats that pop up in the news, I kinda wonder how the media get this kind of information to be honest.

Last week it as reporting majority of peados support brexit, EDL support brexit, lowest intelligent support brexit and today they are shown as the lowest paid. It's clear to see how we got into this position when you can see the type of people who support Brexit.

It's no particular surprise Adz voted for Brexit either. He's still throwing the insults.


Back these 'stats' up with more than just I saw them on tv(CBBbies?), and someone might take you seriously.

The majority of peados voting for Brexit has to be the most laughable stat I have ever seen.

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« Reply #19827 on: August 16, 2019, 07:54:41 AM »

Average wage for Brexit voters is £21,700.

Hardly surprising.

No idea where you pull some of the shite you spurt Aaron

Here is an interesting article that challenges some of your name calling

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/brexit-and-the-squeezed-middle/

It's just stats that pop up in the news, I kinda wonder how the media get this kind of information to be honest.

Last week it as reporting majority of peados support brexit, EDL support brexit, lowest intelligent support brexit and today they are shown as the lowest paid. It's clear to see how we got into this position when you can see the type of people who support Brexit.

It's no particular surprise Adz voted for Brexit either. He's still throwing the insults.


Back these 'stats' up with more than just I saw them on tv(CBBbies?), and someone might take you seriously.

The majority of peados voting for Brexit has to be the most laughable stat I have ever seen.

''Please ask my thoughts on Brexit as an open and conversive peado, my good man. Anything me or my peado friends can offer an opinion on, ask away old chap''

''Do you need a photo too, to go with that?''

It's funny how you mention backing up these stats when you say never seem to be able to back up your own. You're just instead throwing your insults, so it isn't any wonder you got banned.

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« Reply #19828 on: August 16, 2019, 07:57:36 AM »

Just reading through a forum about the bus driver who didn't want to drive a bus because it had was supporting LGBT.

Comments like "He's fully entitled to do this", "I'm fed up of this and Pride stuff" & "He shouldn't get suspended, he drove another bus"

So, quoted and asked about Brexit. Very surprising.

Everyone of them did, in fact, vote for Brexit.

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« Reply #19829 on: August 16, 2019, 08:09:07 AM »

A lot of old folk voted for Brexit. Retired or part time job in B&Q types. Suggest this affects average pay stats rather than stupid people who don’t earn much.
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