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« Reply #20775 on: September 12, 2019, 11:05:37 AM »

Sat here watching the BBC news and its borderline scandalous the negativity being spread is foolhardy and somewhat dangerous.

Talk of rioting on the streets does no one any good.

If only Andy McDonald was as well briefed as Blonde.

Especially since no deal has been ruled out and those working with the EU claimed they had pre agreed they would accept an extension. Otoh, all sides are in campaign mode and it plays to what will be said by remain parties during the campaign proper when it comes.

Think as Mantis has pointed out before that the remain side should stop focusing on Brexit so much in their campaigns. I think the Tories simple message about leave means leave and mostly talking about other things will work much better in a GE.
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« Reply #20776 on: September 12, 2019, 11:06:52 AM »

Sat here watching the BBC news and its borderline scandalous the negativity being spread is foolhardy and somewhat dangerous.

Talk of rioting on the streets does no one any good.

If only Andy McDonald was as well briefed as Blonde.

So true, it will be the fear of looting next, then riots and looting will be played out

Remain approach/rhetoric right from the start has been a real eye opener. Let’s keep pushing worst case thinking, so socially responsible

If you don’t agree with something these days then green light to disrupt to the max. I also see on the news that climate protesters are going to bring Heathrow to a standstill flying drones. Find this attitude all very French really.

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« Reply #20777 on: September 12, 2019, 11:25:29 AM »

Sat here watching the BBC news and its borderline scandalous the negativity being spread is foolhardy and somewhat dangerous.

Talk of rioting on the streets does no one any good.

If only Andy McDonald was as well briefed as Blonde.

So true, it will be the fear of looting next, then riots and looting will be played out

Remain approach/rhetoric right from the start has been a real eye opener. Let’s keep pushing worst case thinking, so socially responsible

If you don’t agree with something these days then green light to disrupt to the max. I also see on the news that climate protesters are going to bring Heathrow to a standstill flying drones. Find this attitude all very French really.

Looting for the last fresh tomato gonna be a thing

The BBC coverage on the ten o’clock news last night was bang out of order.

It the old tactic of portraying the worst case scenario findings as expected to happen.
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« Reply #20778 on: September 12, 2019, 12:12:46 PM »

i like the quote

Rory Stewart’s Conservative association president says of No10:

“We have basically got an extremist advising an opportunist - that has got to be a recipe for disaster”

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« Reply #20779 on: September 12, 2019, 12:13:27 PM »

Credit card interest rates. LinkedIn. The appeal of Mrs Brown’s Boys. The price of printer ink cartridges. The Large Hadron Collider. All baffling.

And yet none quite as mind-bogglingly complicated as Labour’s position on Brexit.

https://thetimes.co.uk/article/baffled-by-labour-s-brexit-policy-you-re-not-alone-wlt8lvcvn
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« Reply #20780 on: September 12, 2019, 12:14:47 PM »

This is a great piece of analysis by Beth Rigby

Boris Johnson has provoked a culture war he might come to regret

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-boris-johnson-has-provoked-a-culture-war-he-might-come-to-regret-11806666
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« Reply #20781 on: September 12, 2019, 12:17:21 PM »

"£4,563,350,000 of aggregate short positions on a ‘no deal’ Brexit have been taken out by hedge funds that directly or indirectly bankrolled Boris Johnson’s leadership campaign"

This is described in some quarters as scandalous, i don't think the publication itself in impeccably unbiased but its a fascinating read

https://bylinetimes.com/2019/09/11/brexit-disaster-capitalism-8-billion-bet-on-no-deal-crash-out-by-boris-johnsons-leave-backers/

Disaster Capitalism is potentially having it off!

One commentator (left wing) said

"Many years from now, once we’re all dead, history teachers are going to have a job on their hands explaining to pupils how disaster capitalists betting against the pound were portrayed as patriots & people arguing that the poor shouldn’t starve to death were viewed as traitors." 
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« Reply #20782 on: September 12, 2019, 12:18:15 PM »

The latest from Lis

"Johnson won’t ultimately break the law. He doesn’t care enough about Brexit to go to jail over it.

He is instead promising something far more dangerous: to position and radicalise the people against parliament, the law, and democracy itself."

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/boris-johnsons-game-is-even-more-dangerous-than-you-think
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« Reply #20783 on: September 12, 2019, 12:19:22 PM »

"We need a Brexit compromise for stability. But we're not getting one until we agree on one set of facts and the choices that then gives us. My latest democratically shares criticism out among the Brexit tribes"

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/economics-and-finance/you-cannot-wish-away-the-hard-choices-inherent-in-brexit
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« Reply #20784 on: September 12, 2019, 12:23:02 PM »

Peston is close to Boris

"Could Boris Johnson betray the DUP and ERG?"

more on the NI solutions being proposed privately

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/will-boris-johnson-betray-the-dup-and-erg/
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« Reply #20785 on: September 12, 2019, 12:26:13 PM »

Sat here watching the BBC news and its borderline scandalous the negativity being spread is foolhardy and somewhat dangerous.

Talk of rioting on the streets does no one any good.

If only Andy McDonald was as well briefed as Blonde.

So true, it will be the fear of looting next, then riots and looting will be played out

Remain approach/rhetoric right from the start has been a real eye opener. Let’s keep pushing worst case thinking, so socially responsible

If you don’t agree with something these days then green light to disrupt to the max. I also see on the news that climate protesters are going to bring Heathrow to a standstill flying drones. Find this attitude all very French really.

Looting for the last fresh tomato gonna be a thing

The BBC coverage on the ten o’clock news last night was bang out of order.

It the old tactic of portraying the worst case scenario findings as expected to happen.


once again the title change: Original doc was the 'base scenario', a month ago and they have changed to 'reasonable worse case scenarios".

We knows there are other, longer more detailed docs govt not published either
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« Reply #20786 on: September 12, 2019, 12:34:44 PM »

Words from my CEO earlier this morning. ‘We are fully prepared for every eventuality of Brexit’
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« Reply #20787 on: September 12, 2019, 12:41:24 PM »

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-officials-regret-getting-into-bed-with-remainers-wxh2gkvjc

This is good for an oppo to mock the ludicrous Starmer and his positioning of Labour
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« Reply #20788 on: September 12, 2019, 12:45:08 PM »

"£4,563,350,000 of aggregate short positions on a ‘no deal’ Brexit have been taken out by hedge funds that directly or indirectly bankrolled Boris Johnson’s leadership campaign"

This is described in some quarters as scandalous, i don't think the publication itself in impeccably unbiased but its a fascinating read

https://bylinetimes.com/2019/09/11/brexit-disaster-capitalism-8-billion-bet-on-no-deal-crash-out-by-boris-johnsons-leave-backers/

Disaster Capitalism is potentially having it off!

One commentator (left wing) said

"Many years from now, once we’re all dead, history teachers are going to have a job on their hands explaining to pupils how disaster capitalists betting against the pound were portrayed as patriots & people arguing that the poor shouldn’t starve to death were viewed as traitors." 

My twitter feed is having great joy in tearing this apart, turns out the author only looked at one tab of the relevant Excel sheet, once you net out the other tab then the data proves nothing whatsoever.
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« Reply #20789 on: September 12, 2019, 12:47:42 PM »

"£4,563,350,000 of aggregate short positions on a ‘no deal’ Brexit have been taken out by hedge funds that directly or indirectly bankrolled Boris Johnson’s leadership campaign"

This is described in some quarters as scandalous, i don't think the publication itself in impeccably unbiased but its a fascinating read

https://bylinetimes.com/2019/09/11/brexit-disaster-capitalism-8-billion-bet-on-no-deal-crash-out-by-boris-johnsons-leave-backers/

Disaster Capitalism is potentially having it off!

One commentator (left wing) said

"Many years from now, once we’re all dead, history teachers are going to have a job on their hands explaining to pupils how disaster capitalists betting against the pound were portrayed as patriots & people arguing that the poor shouldn’t starve to death were viewed as traitors."  

My twitter feed is having great joy in tearing this apart, turns out the author only looked at one tab of the relevant Excel sheet, once you net out the other tab then the data proves nothing whatsoever.
https://order-order.com/2019/09/12/caroles-short-logic-brexit-disaster-capitalism/

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