The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[aaron1867]

Brexit Secretary Steve Barclay confirmed earlier on the BBC news that the UK Government have done no economic analysis of Boris Johnson’s deal. I

Isn't it very strange that he expects MPs to vote for the deal without this?

The answer is 4-6% off GDP by the way compared to no Deal at - 8 and May at - 2/3.

Not really. It was made crystal clear pre Brexit that leaving has short term negative consequences.

The public voted for Brexit knowing this, as it was stuffed down their throats week in, week out in the lead up to the vote.

Short term? LOL. It was said that it would take the country ten years to recover. Short term lol

As for the delay - people are fed up, but these delays would only be useful if there is a plan. Second ref, GE or more time to finish the deal

[bookiebasher]

Letwins amendment will just strengthen Johnson’s public appeal in the next GE.

MP’s really are having to be dragging kicking and screaming to finalise the vote.

The public will be more fed up with more delay.

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[Karabiner]

A rare outing for the word exegesis. One to slip into casual conversation down the pub.

There was a cult of the same name here in the UK around 1980 - not sure if it still exists.

[bunnydas8888]

Speaker Bercow says he will write the letter if asked

Oo-er.

Did I hear Johnson say (in effect) he will not ask for a delay?

He has to, surely?

He said he wouldn't negotiate an extension. Doesn't mean he wont simply write a letter with a few lines asking for one.

[bobAlike]

Letwins amendment will just strengthen Johnson’s public appeal in the next GE.

MP’s really are having to be dragging kicking and screaming to finalise the vote.

The public will be more fed up with more delay.

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[ripple11]

Presume letter will go in....regardless who sends it!

Maybe the EU should give a final short (4 week?) extension....saying either vote the deal through, or vote for an election or vote for a referendum, otherwise its no deal.

[BigAdz]

Brexit Secretary Steve Barclay confirmed earlier on the BBC news that the UK Government have done no economic analysis of Boris Johnson’s deal. I

Isn't it very strange that he expects MPs to vote for the deal without this?

The answer is 4-6% off GDP by the way compared to no Deal at - 8 and May at - 2/3.

Not really. It was made crystal clear pre Brexit that leaving has short term negative consequences.

The public voted for Brexit knowing this, as it was stuffed down their throats week in, week out in the lead up to the vote.

Find me a person who voted for Brexit not knowing stuff and now changing his mind and I will find you 10 that knew exactly this and still wants to proceed.

That has been the biggest bullshit reason from the outset.

[TightEnd]

The twitter account @remainernow, for those who abstained or voted leave in 2016 and would vote remain now has 41,700 followers

https://twitter.com/RemainerNow/status/1185217679210229761?s=19

I look forward to the excel spreadsheet with 417,000 names on it.

I jest, but there are plenty who have changed their minds (and some remainers who would now vote leave on democratic grounds, to be fair)

To call it a bullshit argument lacks nuance, to put it pomitely

[EvilPie]

The twitter account @remainernow, for those who abstained or voted leave in 2016 and would vote remain now has 41,700 followers

https://twitter.com/RemainerNow/status/1185217679210229761?s=19

I look forward to the excel spreadsheet with 417,000 names on it.

I jest, but there are plenty who have changed their minds (and some remainers who would now vote leave on democratic grounds, to be fair)

To call it a bullshit argument lacks nuance, to put it pomitely

What about people who didn't vote originally? I'm one of them and I'd vote leave now on democratic grounds.

I'd also vote conservative on the grounds that JC is a f**kwit.

[ripple11]

The twitter account @remainernow, for those who abstained or voted leave in 2016 and would vote remain now has 41,700 followers

https://twitter.com/RemainerNow/status/1185217679210229761?s=19

I look forward to the excel spreadsheet with 417,000 names on it.

I jest, but there are plenty who have changed their minds (and some remainers who would now vote leave on democratic grounds, to be fair)

To call it a bullshit argument lacks nuance, to put it pomitely

A quick glance at the followers......heavy odds on 90% of them voted remain on the day 

[BigAdz]

The twitter account @remainernow, for those who abstained or voted leave in 2016 and would vote remain now has 41,700 followers

https://twitter.com/RemainerNow/status/1185217679210229761?s=19

I look forward to the excel spreadsheet with 417,000 names on it.

I jest, but there are plenty who have changed their minds (and some remainers who would now vote leave on democratic grounds, to be fair)

To call it a bullshit argument lacks nuance, to put it pomitely

There no nuance about it. Find me these people that feel conned, and for every one there is someone like EP who would rather we honour our democratic principles.

A twitter feed with 46k on it.

Ooo, 17.4 million.

[TightEnd]

Of course 2016 non voters too. Some remainers, some leavers. Perfectly possible leave would win a second ref, were it ever to happen, too

To be told that the deal as intended resembles anything discussed in 2016 and that by implication its bullshit to say it doesn't is laughable, even allowing for the source of the comment

[Sheriff Fatman]

Of course 2016 non voters too. Some remainers, some leavers. Perfectly possible leave would win a second ref, were it ever to happen, too

To be told that the deal as intended resembles anything discussed in 2016 and that by implication its bullshit to say it doesn't is laughable, even allowing for the source of the comment

Don't forget the overwhelmingly Leave dead people within the 17.4m, whom we seem desperate to ensure are kept happy.

One of the reasons why quoting the 17.4m figure ad nauseum is so utterly ludicrous now.

[TightEnd]

EU source: In a phone call earlier this evening, Johnson confirmed to Tusk that the letter requesting an extension would be sent today.

Tusk will on that basis start consulting with EU27 leaders on how to react, this may take a few days.

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Looks like the deal passes in parliament this week anyway, if it is brought back. If so we are through phase 1 and onto the tricky part

[ripple11]

Just backed Tory majority in next election at 7/4. I’d be interested to see what Tighty thinks of that bet given the improving polling with Johnson in charge and his hardline on Brexit.

No doubt Letwin added a few more seats today.

Still some 6/4 available.