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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
Conservative - 19 (33.9%)
Labour - 12 (21.4%)
SNP - 2 (3.6%)
Lib Dem - 8 (14.3%)
Brexit - 1 (1.8%)
Green - 6 (10.7%)
Other - 2 (3.6%)
Spoil - 0 (0%)
Not voting - 6 (10.7%)
Total Voters: 55

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« Reply #22620 on: December 13, 2019, 09:12:28 AM »

looks like the end of the labour party to me.

with Voter ID and boundary changes and the never possibility of winning seats in Scotland (until they leave) i don't see a way back for Labour, even if Tony Blair himself came back to lead the party.
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« Reply #22621 on: December 13, 2019, 09:46:32 AM »

looks like the end of the labour party to me.

with Voter ID and boundary changes and the never possibility of winning seats in Scotland (until they leave) i don't see a way back for Labour, even if Tony Blair himself came back to lead the party.

Things change. 

When Brexit doesn't result in a land of milk and honey and better prospects for the poor, many of those seats aren't going to stay blue whoever is in charge of the Labour party.

Scotland can't be a land of no hope, as the SNP aren't even that popular and their main policy doesn't even have majority support there. 

Johnson has negative ratings still, though guess they are bound to bounce for a few months before people remember who he is again.

It is a bit weird that even now there are a lot of Labour people saying there was nothing wrong with the leader, manifesto, Brexit policy etc.  so maybe they won't learn though.   

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« Reply #22622 on: December 13, 2019, 10:08:56 AM »

I think this quote is a pretty good summary of feeling:-

“Ultimately I felt like I had to travel less distance to the right of my political spectrum to meet Boris Johnson (who I believe Boris Johnson is when he doesn’t have to pander to the ERG and what he would be with a larger majority) than I had to travel left to meet Jeremy Corbyn,"
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« Reply #22623 on: December 13, 2019, 10:09:28 AM »

Seeing Arb & Chompy around my feet reminds me of a dog begging for food.

Only thing that’s making me smile. Say “woof” guys

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« Reply #22624 on: December 13, 2019, 10:38:50 AM »

Seeing Arb & Chompy around my feet reminds me of a dog begging for food.

Only thing that’s making me smile. Say “woof” guys

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« Reply #22625 on: December 13, 2019, 10:47:58 AM »

Heard David Blunkett on LBC earlier.

Spoke very well and was brutally honest about the shambles that Labour have become.

What is scary is the number of left wingers still saying our policies were right and well received.

You couldn't make it up. If that level of delusion persists, the Labour Party is finished for 10-15 years minimum.

At some point surely the moderates are going to leave, form another party and the Momentum clowns can wallow in self pity whilst having zero chance of being anywhere near power ever.
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« Reply #22626 on: December 13, 2019, 10:50:41 AM »


https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1205288815910367232?s=19

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« Reply #22627 on: December 13, 2019, 11:08:10 AM »

I think this quote is a pretty good summary of feeling:-

“Ultimately I felt like I had to travel less distance to the right of my political spectrum to meet Boris Johnson (who I believe Boris Johnson is when he doesn’t have to pander to the ERG and what he would be with a larger majority) than I had to travel left to meet Jeremy Corbyn,"


Yes I heard it said Boris will be more Heseltine than Thatcher.

 He will need to be, to keep those "lent Labour votes" in play in 5 yrs time.
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« Reply #22628 on: December 13, 2019, 11:32:37 AM »

The polling from many different polls is just saying the same. Labour is up, Tories slightly down and LD dropping significantly. It’s pretty clear to see that Labour aren’t going to be losing as many voters as you think to LD. It’s also fascinating to see Labour doing so well considering Brexit and Corbyn.

More people have registered to vote, mainly young people. There are now more younger people allowed to vote as they’ve now turned 18. Labour up in the polls. Voters seem more switched on. It’s mainly positives for remain parties.

I’m over the moon to be on over 200 Labour seats and my insane prediction is that Labour will get over 250. I’ve not been drinking, promise

I’d definitely not be happy taking that 1/3 LD in Sheffield Hallam.

Fair play to Aaron here - Labour did hold on in Sheffield Hallam by 700 votes so he got a 1/3 shot beaten.
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« Reply #22629 on: December 13, 2019, 12:05:56 PM »

Well at least all the Champagne Socialists can take solace in seeing their £ buying power up to $1.35 and their share portfolios up by, what? 2-4% this morning.

Bantering aside, I seriously hope that Boris will stand by his promise to address the issues of the Northeast (and other parts of England) where so much trust has been put in him. He isn’t a one-man-band, and he’s determined to leave a positive legacy, so whilst he’s not an inspirational leader of the country (IMO), let’s hope that he will allow his cabinet to guide him along the best path for everyone in this country.

It’s going to be interesting to see how he handles the SNP issue: will he give them another referendum, and trust that the stats appear to suggest that they will fail again? Or will he just continue to ignore the constant whine of Sturgeon & Co? He can certainly do without the distraction.
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« Reply #22630 on: December 13, 2019, 12:16:56 PM »

Well at least all the Champagne Socialists can take solace in seeing their £ buying power up to $1.35 and their share portfolios up by, what? 2-4% this morning.

Bantering aside, I seriously hope that Boris will stand by his promise to address the issues of the Northeast (and other parts of England) where so much trust has been put in him. He isn’t a one-man-band, and he’s determined to leave a positive legacy, so whilst he’s not an inspirational leader of the country (IMO), let’s hope that he will allow his cabinet to guide him along the best path for everyone in this country.

It’s going to be interesting to see how he handles the SNP issue: will he give them another referendum, and trust that the stats appear to suggest that they will fail again? Or will he just continue to ignore the constant whine of Sturgeon & Co? He can certainly do without the distraction.


All the latest polling says "No to Independence", so he has that to back him up. They can whine, but it ain't happening in this Parliament and Sturgeon knows this.
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« Reply #22631 on: December 13, 2019, 12:23:00 PM »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50777071?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/c8nq32jw8r1t/boris-johnson&link_location=live-reporting-story


It’s only words, but as a declaration of intent it’s pretty good.

Clearly, time will tell on the ‘One Nation ‘ stuff. Cabinet reshuffle with a JR-M demotion imminent?
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« Reply #22632 on: December 13, 2019, 12:47:09 PM »


Next labour leader.

Surely a woman?

Surely left wing to be elected by the membership?

.....leads to either RLB (4/1) or Rayner (8/1)

cant have Rayner, so going in again on RLB.


https://labourlist.org/2019/11/rebecca-long-bailey-unveils-new-logo-in-campaign-video/

 
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« Reply #22633 on: December 13, 2019, 03:30:30 PM »

I find it amazing that Labour lost Kensington to the Tories, a constituency that was 70% remain and the home of Grenfell Tower.
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« Reply #22634 on: December 13, 2019, 03:39:38 PM »

I find it amazing that Labour lost Kensington to the Tories, a constituency that was 70% remain and the home of Grenfell Tower.

not that special. Lib Dem arrogance in standing a candidate there which split Lab/Lib in an anyway marginal seat that Labour won by 20 votes in 2017 and had previously been Strong Con holds.

the absolute arrogance of Sam Gyimah to stand there as a former Tory with no credibility where Lib Dem's had never polled more than 6% is just indicative of the failure of Lib and Lab to work together to stop the Tories.
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