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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
Conservative - 19 (33.9%)
Labour - 12 (21.4%)
SNP - 2 (3.6%)
Lib Dem - 8 (14.3%)
Brexit - 1 (1.8%)
Green - 6 (10.7%)
Other - 2 (3.6%)
Spoil - 0 (0%)
Not voting - 6 (10.7%)
Total Voters: 56

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« Reply #22650 on: December 13, 2019, 12:05:56 PM »

Well at least all the Champagne Socialists can take solace in seeing their £ buying power up to $1.35 and their share portfolios up by, what? 2-4% this morning.

Bantering aside, I seriously hope that Boris will stand by his promise to address the issues of the Northeast (and other parts of England) where so much trust has been put in him. He isn’t a one-man-band, and he’s determined to leave a positive legacy, so whilst he’s not an inspirational leader of the country (IMO), let’s hope that he will allow his cabinet to guide him along the best path for everyone in this country.

It’s going to be interesting to see how he handles the SNP issue: will he give them another referendum, and trust that the stats appear to suggest that they will fail again? Or will he just continue to ignore the constant whine of Sturgeon & Co? He can certainly do without the distraction.
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« Reply #22651 on: December 13, 2019, 12:16:56 PM »

Well at least all the Champagne Socialists can take solace in seeing their £ buying power up to $1.35 and their share portfolios up by, what? 2-4% this morning.

Bantering aside, I seriously hope that Boris will stand by his promise to address the issues of the Northeast (and other parts of England) where so much trust has been put in him. He isn’t a one-man-band, and he’s determined to leave a positive legacy, so whilst he’s not an inspirational leader of the country (IMO), let’s hope that he will allow his cabinet to guide him along the best path for everyone in this country.

It’s going to be interesting to see how he handles the SNP issue: will he give them another referendum, and trust that the stats appear to suggest that they will fail again? Or will he just continue to ignore the constant whine of Sturgeon & Co? He can certainly do without the distraction.


All the latest polling says "No to Independence", so he has that to back him up. They can whine, but it ain't happening in this Parliament and Sturgeon knows this.
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« Reply #22652 on: December 13, 2019, 12:23:00 PM »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50777071?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/c8nq32jw8r1t/boris-johnson&link_location=live-reporting-story


It’s only words, but as a declaration of intent it’s pretty good.

Clearly, time will tell on the ‘One Nation ‘ stuff. Cabinet reshuffle with a JR-M demotion imminent?
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« Reply #22653 on: December 13, 2019, 12:47:09 PM »


Next labour leader.

Surely a woman?

Surely left wing to be elected by the membership?

.....leads to either RLB (4/1) or Rayner (8/1)

cant have Rayner, so going in again on RLB.


https://labourlist.org/2019/11/rebecca-long-bailey-unveils-new-logo-in-campaign-video/

 
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« Reply #22654 on: December 13, 2019, 03:30:30 PM »

I find it amazing that Labour lost Kensington to the Tories, a constituency that was 70% remain and the home of Grenfell Tower.
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« Reply #22655 on: December 13, 2019, 03:39:38 PM »

I find it amazing that Labour lost Kensington to the Tories, a constituency that was 70% remain and the home of Grenfell Tower.

not that special. Lib Dem arrogance in standing a candidate there which split Lab/Lib in an anyway marginal seat that Labour won by 20 votes in 2017 and had previously been Strong Con holds.

the absolute arrogance of Sam Gyimah to stand there as a former Tory with no credibility where Lib Dem's had never polled more than 6% is just indicative of the failure of Lib and Lab to work together to stop the Tories.
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« Reply #22656 on: December 13, 2019, 05:19:06 PM »

I hope nobody did too much on the 1/3 Lib Dem’s in Sheffield Hallam
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« Reply #22657 on: December 13, 2019, 06:41:56 PM »

I hope nobody did too much on the 1/3 Lib Dem’s in Sheffield Hallam

Fair play on that on Aaron, I didn't back it. Had a list of short priced seats that I would have added to my mug multiples but they only allowed singles so didn't bother.

Your prediction that it was going to be close was way off the mark though.
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« Reply #22658 on: December 13, 2019, 07:59:26 PM »

I hope nobody did too much on the 1/3 Lib Dem’s in Sheffield Hallam

Fair play on that on Aaron, I didn't back it. Had a list of short priced seats that I would have added to my mug multiples but they only allowed singles so didn't bother.

Your prediction that it was going to be close was way off the mark though.

Of course it was. The polls on average showed an 8 point lead, with some showing 4/5 point leads. I genuinely thought that these queues was young people.

But also  the one bet I did have was Labour over 200 🤷‍♂️
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« Reply #22659 on: December 13, 2019, 08:01:14 PM »

It’s quite amusing to hear Boris saying it’s time to heal divisions. This will never happen.

The country is completely divided by an election that should have never been called.
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« Reply #22660 on: December 13, 2019, 08:18:30 PM »

It’s quite amusing to hear Boris saying it’s time to heal divisions. This will never happen.

The country is completely divided by an election that should have never been called.

I'm hoping that's code for  - now I don't have to pretend to listen to what the ERG want we can make the best of this shambles.
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« Reply #22661 on: December 13, 2019, 09:18:31 PM »

It’s quite amusing to hear Boris saying it’s time to heal divisions. This will never happen.

The country is completely divided by an election that should have never been called.

I'm hoping that's code for  - now I don't have to pretend to listen to what the ERG want we can make the best of this shambles.

It’s code for we shouldn’t have had the referendum. The country wasn’t talking about it.
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« Reply #22662 on: December 13, 2019, 09:21:08 PM »


Next labour leader.

Surely a woman?

Surely left wing to be elected by the membership?

.....leads to either RLB (4/1) or Rayner (8/1)

cant have Rayner, so going in again on RLB.


https://labourlist.org/2019/11/rebecca-long-bailey-unveils-new-logo-in-campaign-video/

 


I’m the opposite of this. Can have Rayner, can’t have RLB. But we shouldn’t be doing this silly thing where we go round saying it must be a female leader or dr who or James Bond, etc etc

Jobs should be given on merit, not on sex
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« Reply #22663 on: December 13, 2019, 10:24:21 PM »

What a night and a good start to the day with enjoyable short speeches by Gove and Johnson rejoicing in the determination of the British people to not be cowed by the remainiac movement.

Properly triumphalist in celebrating the British rejecting the lunacy of the antisemitic, identity obsessed, climate bandwagoning, Marxist economics of the Labour party and the anti democratic, smug, Waitrosian, gender self id ing Lib Dems. But clearly aware of a broader responsibility to those people voting Tory for the first time.

Those uplands look sunlit to me. I won't have to listen to Pidcock and Swinson for a while, Brexit will be done within a few weeks - the world will continue, the British economy will take off over the next few years.

Haven't felt like an election could really change things since Blair won in 1997 but this one will and I feel very optimistic.

The result showed Jonathan Ashworth to be more visionary than banterer. Hopefully Labour can collect themselves and replace hand wringing, whining, talking Britain down, obsession with grievance and identity politics and wild economic policy with something that can be seen as a viable alternative to the Tories


At moments like these you need a bit of Sir Ivan in your life  Wink

A very long read but I'm confident you will persevere. Enjoy.

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/ivan-rogers-i-do-not-think-johnson-will-pivot-to-a-softer-brexit-general-election-conservative-majority
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« Reply #22664 on: December 13, 2019, 10:46:23 PM »

What a night and a good start to the day with enjoyable short speeches by Gove and Johnson rejoicing in the determination of the British people to not be cowed by the remainiac movement.

Properly triumphalist in celebrating the British rejecting the lunacy of the antisemitic, identity obsessed, climate bandwagoning, Marxist economics of the Labour party and the anti democratic, smug, Waitrosian, gender self id ing Lib Dems. But clearly aware of a broader responsibility to those people voting Tory for the first time.

Those uplands look sunlit to me. I won't have to listen to Pidcock and Swinson for a while, Brexit will be done within a few weeks - the world will continue, the British economy will take off over the next few years.

Haven't felt like an election could really change things since Blair won in 1997 but this one will and I feel very optimistic.

The result showed Jonathan Ashworth to be more visionary than banterer. Hopefully Labour can collect themselves and replace hand wringing, whining, talking Britain down, obsession with grievance and identity politics and wild economic policy with something that can be seen as a viable alternative to the Tories


At moments like these you need a bit of Sir Ivan in your life  Wink

A very long read but I'm confident you will persevere. Enjoy.

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/ivan-rogers-i-do-not-think-johnson-will-pivot-to-a-softer-brexit-general-election-conservative-majority

I've enjoyed reading his perspectives before but this was a very short read - did you put the wrong link in.
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