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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
Conservative - 19 (33.9%)
Labour - 12 (21.4%)
SNP - 2 (3.6%)
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« Reply #22905 on: October 23, 2020, 11:26:07 AM »

isn't 13/8 SPOTY the equivalent of finding money in the street?

Incredible efforts all year

or will they find a special humanitarian category for him?
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« Reply #22906 on: October 23, 2020, 12:50:41 PM »

Weird stuff this week anyway. 

Chancellor hands out another £12 billion ...

... while PM loses baton to Burnham for a paltry £5m

and doubles down against popular soccer player on child poverty issue for the sake of £20m
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« Reply #22907 on: October 23, 2020, 01:31:47 PM »

isn't 13/8 SPOTY the equivalent of finding money in the street?

Incredible efforts all year

or will they find a special humanitarian category for him?

He has to get in the top 6 though. Can imagine the hoohah from the scum if he gets nominated for the top 6 for non sporting reasons.  Think he is a lay right now.   I think you lay when people are flavour of the month with SPOTY and back when somebody else is.   Think he wins if in the 6.
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« Reply #22908 on: October 23, 2020, 02:44:01 PM »

He's odds-on on Betfair right now.

Usually there'd be no chance - they'd give him some other award or something but there may not being an issue with giving SPOTY to someone for non-sporting reasons in a year when there has been absolutely sod all sport.
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« Reply #22909 on: October 23, 2020, 02:49:43 PM »

FWIW I backed him at about 7/2 a while ago.  I have just laid him at 1.4 for top 3 (he has been backed at 1.1 at some stage).   I think he is a first or nowhere bet.
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« Reply #22910 on: October 23, 2020, 05:47:25 PM »

£44 done at 500/1 on bf on rashford.   You have to feel for that 'stealing it' layer.  Rashford is a million without covid.
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« Reply #22911 on: October 23, 2020, 10:52:40 PM »

Weird stuff this week anyway. 

Chancellor hands out another £12 billion ...

... while PM loses baton to Burnham for a paltry £5m

and doubles down against popular soccer player on child poverty issue for the sake of £20m

Can't be seen to have lost to a Labour mayor.

Can't be seen to be supporting a Labour motion. Not that Labour should have had an opportunity to raise it as an opposition day motion in the first place.

One good thing to come from it though is my mother was a red wall voting Tory. Said she'll never vote for them again after this.
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« Reply #22912 on: October 24, 2020, 04:06:16 PM »



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« Reply #22913 on: October 27, 2020, 08:43:53 AM »

FWIW I backed him at about 7/2 a while ago.  I have just laid him at 1.4 for top 3 (he has been backed at 1.1 at some stage).   I think he is a first or nowhere bet.

Well that has changed quickly overnight.   

There is now a big chunk of money available for top 3 backers at 2.7.   I have just greened out.  Someone has clearly taken a big view on this, and I think 2.7 is a fair enough price.   I might have been able to get bigger, but that new money could just disappear.
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« Reply #22914 on: October 27, 2020, 11:47:08 AM »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8881815/Marcus-Rashford-set-miss-BBCs-Sports-Personality-Year-shortlist.html
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« Reply #22915 on: October 27, 2020, 02:51:12 PM »


David Coverdale makes Betfair's best trade of the year?

Was very timely for my trade too obv.
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« Reply #22916 on: October 28, 2020, 08:00:13 PM »

Big day tomorrow.  The EHRC report into institutional antisemitism within Corbyn's Labour Party gets published at long last.

It will undoubtedly represent a low point for the party.  Starmer has a massive job restoring credibility and trust, but has done well in the early stages (regular bouts of uproar and outrage from the Corbynites has been a fairly reliable indicator of this).  They've also spent the week getting their pre-emptive denials in place (e.g. Karie Murphy in the Guardian, Chris Williamson grifting for additional funds for his legal campaign).

Looking forward to further whataboutery from the likes of Owen Jones, Bastani, Sarkar, etc when the details get published.  Starmer is due to make a press conference at 11am.  I see little prospect that the report content will be anything other than scathing with regard to the conduct of those at the heart of the situation.  Assuming so, then he needs to commence the processes to disassociate them from the party going forward (e.g. removal of whip for MPs, disciplinary processes to expel for others, etc).
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« Reply #22917 on: October 29, 2020, 01:18:01 PM »

Big day tomorrow.  The EHRC report into institutional antisemitism within Corbyn's Labour Party gets published at long last.

It will undoubtedly represent a low point for the party.  Starmer has a massive job restoring credibility and trust, but has done well in the early stages (regular bouts of uproar and outrage from the Corbynites has been a fairly reliable indicator of this).  They've also spent the week getting their pre-emptive denials in place (e.g. Karie Murphy in the Guardian, Chris Williamson grifting for additional funds for his legal campaign).

Looking forward to further whataboutery from the likes of Owen Jones, Bastani, Sarkar, etc when the details get published.  Starmer is due to make a press conference at 11am.  I see little prospect that the report content will be anything other than scathing with regard to the conduct of those at the heart of the situation.  Assuming so, then he needs to commence the processes to disassociate them from the party going forward (e.g. removal of whip for MPs, disciplinary processes to expel for others, etc).

Quite the morning so far.  The report appears to be more damning than many expected, Corbyn issued a statement pretty much denying it's content and has now been suspended and had the Labour whip removed.

Starmer wasting little time, to his credit.
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« Reply #22918 on: October 29, 2020, 01:44:05 PM »

Big day tomorrow.  The EHRC report into institutional antisemitism within Corbyn's Labour Party gets published at long last.

It will undoubtedly represent a low point for the party.  Starmer has a massive job restoring credibility and trust, but has done well in the early stages (regular bouts of uproar and outrage from the Corbynites has been a fairly reliable indicator of this).  They've also spent the week getting their pre-emptive denials in place (e.g. Karie Murphy in the Guardian, Chris Williamson grifting for additional funds for his legal campaign).

Looking forward to further whataboutery from the likes of Owen Jones, Bastani, Sarkar, etc when the details get published.  Starmer is due to make a press conference at 11am.  I see little prospect that the report content will be anything other than scathing with regard to the conduct of those at the heart of the situation.  Assuming so, then he needs to commence the processes to disassociate them from the party going forward (e.g. removal of whip for MPs, disciplinary processes to expel for others, etc).

Quite the morning so far.  The report appears to be more damning than many expected, Corbyn issued a statement pretty much denying it's content and has now been suspended and had the Labour whip removed.

Starmer wasting little time, to his credit.

Fair play to Starmer. He’s going to appeal to a lot of moderate, sane people.

The nut job cult that worships Corbyn is in meltdown on Twitter.
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« Reply #22919 on: October 29, 2020, 11:51:56 PM »

Big day tomorrow.  The EHRC report into institutional antisemitism within Corbyn's Labour Party gets published at long last.

It will undoubtedly represent a low point for the party.  Starmer has a massive job restoring credibility and trust, but has done well in the early stages (regular bouts of uproar and outrage from the Corbynites has been a fairly reliable indicator of this).  They've also spent the week getting their pre-emptive denials in place (e.g. Karie Murphy in the Guardian, Chris Williamson grifting for additional funds for his legal campaign).

Looking forward to further whataboutery from the likes of Owen Jones, Bastani, Sarkar, etc when the details get published.  Starmer is due to make a press conference at 11am.  I see little prospect that the report content will be anything other than scathing with regard to the conduct of those at the heart of the situation.  Assuming so, then he needs to commence the processes to disassociate them from the party going forward (e.g. removal of whip for MPs, disciplinary processes to expel for others, etc).

Quite the morning so far.  The report appears to be more damning than many expected, Corbyn issued a statement pretty much denying it's content and has now been suspended and had the Labour whip removed.

Starmer wasting little time, to his credit.

Fair play to Starmer. He’s going to appeal to a lot of moderate, sane people.

The nut job cult that worships Corbyn is in meltdown on Twitter.

The problem is you need to appeal to both wings of the party.  The immediate suspension looks like a bad strategy in response to some comments that were unlikely to lose a single Labour supporter.  Corbyn may have mad some comments in the past that could be viewed as low grade anti-semitism, but whatever they were, they are nothing on Johnson's history of racist comments, and he is the person who they need to be attacking...  And they so obviously need to start retrieving the Conservative response to islamaphobia from the long grass where Johnson kicked it.   

Corbyn should have clearly just STFU this morning, as the issue is clealy devisive and the argument is done.  Just say you accept the findings and move on.  It doesn't really matter if you believe the allegations of anti-semtism were exagerrated, or saying you don't agree with all parts of a report, there is no benefit from saying so now; and saying so clearly has its downsides as Corbyn has discovered.  How long has he been in politics again?  The thing is that Corbyn had escaped fairly undamaged from what I have read, so why issue his (preprepared?) statement at all?

I'd add that the gloating by the right wing of the party is equally unhelpful; people on both sides opening old wounds daily are all as bad as each other.  Centrists believe this (insert straw man); Corbynstas believe that (insert straw man).  It all just such clear nonsense, but just gives a terrible impression of the party to outsiders

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