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January 10, 2017, 03:23:30 PM »
https://beta.racingpost.com/sport/sport-columnists/possession-is-up-but-goals-are-down-for-city-under-pep/271325
Interesting article from the RPost stats guru Pullien who is as excellent as ever in his analysis. Worth a read.
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January 10, 2017, 03:30:37 PM »
Quote from: arbboy on January 10, 2017, 03:23:30 PM
https://beta.racingpost.com/sport/sport-columnists/possession-is-up-but-goals-are-down-for-city-under-pep/271325
Interesting article from the RPost stats guru Pullien who is as excellent as ever in his analysis. Worth a read.
interesting
i was of the conclusion then and even more that Kante was transformational. he won us the ball in spots, consistently, where we haven't won it before or since and made the counter attacking game tick because the other side was unable to transition back from attack to defence by the time we had used our pace going forward
without him it has been a lot more humdrum. we don't break sides down when they are formed up and defending.
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January 10, 2017, 03:45:32 PM »
Quote from: TightEnd on January 10, 2017, 03:30:37 PM
Quote from: arbboy on January 10, 2017, 03:23:30 PM
https://beta.racingpost.com/sport/sport-columnists/possession-is-up-but-goals-are-down-for-city-under-pep/271325
Interesting article from the RPost stats guru Pullien who is as excellent as ever in his analysis. Worth a read.
interesting
i was of the conclusion then and even more that Kante was transformational. he won us the ball in spots, consistently, where we haven't won it before or since and made the counter attacking game tick because the other side was unable to transition back from attack to defence by the time we had used our pace going forward
without him it has been a lot more humdrum. we don't break sides down when they are formed up and defending.
Think it probably breaks down to him winning loads of tackles but it not being converted into possession long term because the other players lost the ball again so quickly which allowed him to then win another tackle and rinse repeat. The conversion of possession into shots and goals scored last year truly was remarkable when you compare it to this season and the season before last.
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January 10, 2017, 03:57:05 PM »
Quote from: arbboy on January 10, 2017, 03:45:32 PM
Quote from: TightEnd on January 10, 2017, 03:30:37 PM
Quote from: arbboy on January 10, 2017, 03:23:30 PM
https://beta.racingpost.com/sport/sport-columnists/possession-is-up-but-goals-are-down-for-city-under-pep/271325
Interesting article from the RPost stats guru Pullien who is as excellent as ever in his analysis. Worth a read.
interesting
i was of the conclusion then and even more that Kante was transformational. he won us the ball in spots, consistently, where we haven't won it before or since and made the counter attacking game tick because the other side was unable to transition back from attack to defence by the time we had used our pace going forward
without him it has been a lot more humdrum. we don't break sides down when they are formed up and defending.
Think it probably breaks down to him winning loads of tackles but it not being converted into possession long term because the other players lost the ball again so quickly which allowed him to then win another tackle and rinse repeat. The conversion of possession into shots and goals scored last year truly was remarkable when you compare it to this season and the season before last.
we didn't need possession to have a chance because the transition from winning the ball to final third was so quick. back to front in 12 seconds, two passes.
eg scored a lot of these types of goals (and vardy ran hotter than the sun for a whole season which meant conversion rates were huge)
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January 10, 2017, 04:01:18 PM »
Quote from: TightEnd on January 10, 2017, 03:57:05 PM
Quote from: arbboy on January 10, 2017, 03:45:32 PM
Quote from: TightEnd on January 10, 2017, 03:30:37 PM
Quote from: arbboy on January 10, 2017, 03:23:30 PM
https://beta.racingpost.com/sport/sport-columnists/possession-is-up-but-goals-are-down-for-city-under-pep/271325
Interesting article from the RPost stats guru Pullien who is as excellent as ever in his analysis. Worth a read.
interesting
i was of the conclusion then and even more that Kante was transformational. he won us the ball in spots, consistently, where we haven't won it before or since and made the counter attacking game tick because the other side was unable to transition back from attack to defence by the time we had used our pace going forward
without him it has been a lot more humdrum. we don't break sides down when they are formed up and defending.
Think it probably breaks down to him winning loads of tackles but it not being converted into possession long term because the other players lost the ball again so quickly which allowed him to then win another tackle and rinse repeat. The conversion of possession into shots and goals scored last year truly was remarkable when you compare it to this season and the season before last.
we didn't need possession to have a chance because the transition from winning the ball to final third was so quick. back to front in 12 seconds, two passes.
eg scored a lot of these types of goals (and vardy ran hotter than the sun for a whole season which meant conversion rates were huge)
Sure but you still have to do the other side of the coin and defend against huge possession %'s from the other team and keep them out. That was the amazing thing for me. How well your defense operated with bang average talent last season. Appreciate much easier having Kante in front of that defense helped no end.
My mother couldn't resist getting me a LCFC champions t-shirt for xmas as well from the club shop! Quite good quality. Highly recommended.
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January 10, 2017, 04:26:28 PM »
at the time i thought it was good coaching. teams could not get through Kante so went wide, when they put crosses in they not only found morgan/huth (whose vulnerabilities are when being played through against, not balls in the air) but fuchs and simpson playing very narrow.
this season, watching the same back four, i realised even more that it only worked with kante there to funnel it out wide. no other midfielder on our books was able to do it, so downgraded the impact of coaching in my mind.
this is why Ndidi is potentially a very important signing, but will have a better idea on that after we've played chelsea at home on saturday evening. If he bottles up Hazard and co, even partially, and allows us to soak up pressure and play the counter again it would be very promising
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January 10, 2017, 09:55:47 PM »
Quote from: TightEnd on January 10, 2017, 04:26:28 PM
at the time i thought it was good coaching. teams could not get through Kante so went wide, when they put crosses in they not only found morgan/huth (whose vulnerabilities are when being played through against, not balls in the air) but fuchs and simpson playing very narrow.
this season, watching the same back four, i realised even more that it only worked with kante there to funnel it out wide. no other midfielder on our books was able to do it, so downgraded the impact of coaching in my mind.
this is why Ndidi is potentially a very important signing, but will have a better idea on that after we've played chelsea at home on saturday evening. If he bottles up Hazard and co, even partially, and allows us to soak up pressure and play the counter again it would be very promising
Indeedy, yah, probs got the inside track from some Genkians on putting Hazard in his pocket - arf, arf.
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Gone a bit quiet on this, previously chirpy, thread
Lolster were so much better when they knew they couldn't really play football
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January 28, 2017, 11:10:05 AM »
Quote from: nirvana on January 27, 2017, 09:38:00 PM
Gone a bit quiet on this, previously chirpy, thread
Lolster were so much better when they knew they couldn't really play football
i didn't start the thread, but when exactly else is a supporter of a middle sized provincial club going to chirp than when it wins the league by ten points?
i haven't been to many games since October, so don't quite have the same perspective this time round.
suffice to say a variety of reasons combine
1 never ever seen a team miss one player as badly as we miss Kante. he really made our style last season workable and made, in particular, morgan and huth look far better than they are because they were so fabulously protecte. i think all this was identifed on here by me before he left.
2 the summer transfer spending hasn't worked (with perhaps 1 exception, Slimani). rather than strengthening the squad there are some signs it has fractured team spirit. again i have talked about this on here
3 Ranieri has had to tinker, and trying anything other than 4-4-2 has proved problematic. yet 4-4-2 is tough often playing 2 in the middle with 3 up against them. talked about nthis on here in aongst all the chirping too
4 teams have adapted, defending deeper, so Vardy in particular has had no space in behind (thatg is when he's not doing hello magazine shoots). often talked about this too.
all that said, home form is still ok. still can't have us favourites at Brnley on Tuesday though. we were favourites last night at Derby too.
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January 28, 2017, 11:19:27 AM »
Quote from: TightEnd on January 28, 2017, 11:10:05 AM
Quote from: nirvana on January 27, 2017, 09:38:00 PM
Gone a bit quiet on this, previously chirpy, thread
Lolster were so much better when they knew they couldn't really play football
i didn't start the thread, but when exactly else is a supporter of a middle sized provincial club going to chirp than when it wins the league by ten points?
i haven't been to many games since October, so don't quite have the same perspective this time round.
suffice to say a variety of reasons combine
1 never ever seen a team miss one player as badly as we miss Kante. he really made our style last season workable and made, in particular, morgan and huth look far better than they are because they were so fabulously protecte. i think all this was identifed on here by me before he left.
2 the summer transfer spending hasn't worked (with perhaps 1 exception, Slimani). rather than strengthening the squad there are some signs it has fractured team spirit. again i have talked about this on here
3 Ranieri has had to tinker, and trying anything other than 4-4-2 has proved problematic. yet 4-4-2 is tough often playing 2 in the middle with 3 up against them. talked about nthis on here in aongst all the chirping too
4 teams have adapted, defending deeper, so Vardy in particular has had no space in behind (thatg is when he's not doing hello magazine shoots). often talked about this too.
all that said, home form is still ok. still can't have us favourites at Brnley on Tuesday though. we were favourites last night at Derby too.
I am rather hoping Burnley beat them on Tuesday, having examined my "Open Bets".
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Can't believe you fed the troll, Tighty
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Can't believe you fed the troll, Tighty
Erudite, posh & aged troll, please.
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I might add that there were blonde software problems overnight, & Tighty was up half the night sorting them, so he's not in the best of frame of mind this morning, I fancy.
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Quote from: Marky147 on January 28, 2017, 11:42:18 AM
Can't believe you fed the troll, Tighty
Standard football bants - laugh at the other guys team when they are doing shite. Lolster are terrible this season and it makes me very happy. Vardy spends the entire game giving the thumbs up to one of his colleagues who just lumped it 40 yds in his vague direction. Never on the end of it though-it's to fun.
Danny Donkwater for England anyone ? Allbutgone on the wide right. Muggan, Simple, Fucked and Hoof at the back - just incred what they did last year but loving the sheer mediocrity this
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Quote from: tikay on January 28, 2017, 11:48:56 AM
Quote from: Marky147 on January 28, 2017, 11:42:18 AM
Can't believe you fed the troll, Tighty
Erudite, posh & aged troll, please.
Haha, for footie we revert to neandertroll :-)
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