Danny Baker

[Mark_Porter]

A genuine heartfelt apology.

I do feel for him now, I think it's fairly clear he didn't mean it.

Does the punishment fit the crime is the question people will disagree on.

[tikay]

A genuine heartfelt apology.

I do feel for him now, I think it's fairly clear he didn't mean it.

Does the punishment fit the crime is the question people will disagree on.

He's been in the public eye for many decades now, & we can be sure the Red Tops have scrutinised every Tweet, Post & interview he ever did, & all the books he has authored, to search for even the remotest hint of racism. I don't think they'll find any.

It was an appalling misjudgement on his part, & he's gonna pay the bill, & quite rightly so. There but for the grace of God & all that. 

[tikay]

On a lighter note, there is a similar, if less intense thread, on the same topic Next Door, & one of the lads just posted....



I guess he'll land on his feet and bag a job somewhere when this has all died down.


PR for PG tips or something.

[Mark_Porter]

I don't think he will struggle with another job. I have never listened but, by all accounts, he is an excellent experienced broadcaster.

Probably end up with a decent pay rise somewhere like TalkSport. He wasn't on the BBC pay list they had to publish so earnt less than £150k. Has a nice big house in London so I wouldn't be weeping for him.

[Woodsey]

On a lighter note, there is a similar, if less intense thread, on the same topic Next Door, & one of the lads just posted....



I guess he'll land on his feet and bag a job somewhere when this has all died down.


PR for PG tips or something.

Probably doubled his twitter followers also........

Wouldn’t surprise me if he gets an even better paid job, I bet the twatterati who were on his arse about this weren’t expecting that! 

[Jon MW]

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Does the punishment fit the crime is the question people will disagree on.

The crime wasn't being racist though - the crime was the error of judgement.

It's not difficult to see why the BBC would be worried about such a level of misjudgment happening on a BBC programme rather than his own account.

[bobAlike]

Can something be racist if the intent to be racist is not present?

[Woodsey]

Can something be racist if the intent to be racist is not present?

Snowflakes and professional offence takers will say yes.....

[kukushkin88]

Can something be racist if the intent to be racist is not present?

I think intent is very much the most important factor, I think if you commit a racist act by mistake, that doesn’t make you a racist. You can still cause a great deal of offence by mistake though and he did.

[nirvana]

Can something be racist if the intent to be racist is not present?

Yes, the thing is racist. Don't think the perp has to be.

Just like something can be funny even if there was no intent to be funny

Or, more appropriately for this thread generally, a thing can be stupid even when there's no intent to be stupid.

[MANTIS01]

A gentleman holds a door open for a lady or raises his hat to be chivalrous, respectful, nice.

If the woman takes offence does that make him rude, disrespectful, sexist?

No, it makes the woman a miserable shrew

[bobAlike]

Can something be racist if the intent to be racist is not present?

Yes, the thing is racist. Don't think the perp has to be.

Just like something can be funny even if there was no intent to be funny

Or, more appropriately for this thread generally, a thing can be stupid even when there's no intent to be stupid.

I think i disagree with you, in fact i know i disagree with you Monkeys are not racist things. Monkeys in overcoats standing with 2 humans is not a racist thing. The perception of whether something is racist is down to individual thought. Obviously i am only talking about this incident and not other acts that may or may not be racist.

I can see why individuals may say it's racist but i dont have to agree why they think it is so. So if some people dont see an act as racist does that mean the act should or should not be classed as racist? Again i am talking specifically about this incident.

[bobAlike]

A gentleman holds a door open for a lady or raises his hat to be chivalrous, respectful, nice.

If the woman takes offence does that make him rude, disrespectful, sexist?

No, it makes the woman a miserable shrew

A few years ago I was working in what is now known as Wolverhampton Prison. I was in the office area where there were a number of females working. An oldish man was painting the walls. As he was up his ladder an woman of about 50 years of age went to walk past his ladder. The decorator said watch where you're stepping love. FML the tirade of abuse the woman rained down on him was absolutely disgusting all because he dared to call her love.

[Mark_Porter]

So if some people dont see an act as racist does that mean the act should or should not be classed as racist?

Society decides what is or isn't deemed acceptable. There will always be people that don't recognise even the most obvious racism.

The problem is when the voice of society is snivelling nerds who get up in arms about the smallest things and love to shout "racist", "sexist" etc.

In this case, as DB himself says in his apology " I needed no lessons on the centuries slurs equating simians and people of colour. Racism at it's basest." A picture is never just a picture, this is set against a world where she has been hounded throughout her time with Harry to a point where he personally called out the racism against her and where black people have been called monkeys for many years.

Nobody thinks a monkey is racist but we can't ignore the context can we?

[nirvana]

A gentleman member of the patriarchy holds a door open for a lady or raises his hat to be chivalrous, respectful, nice, assert his dominance.

If the woman takes offence does that make him rude, disrespectful, sexist? Yes

No, it makes the woman a miserable shrew warrior

Let's at least make it real