COVID19

[Marky147]

Brazil not doing so well, and hopefully we don't have too many hospitals go the same way.

[Doobs]

The trials of these vaccines are effectively ongoing, so it shouldn't be a surprise that people are still reporting adverse findings; they should be. 

I can't comment too much on the report as it is just a report and not the full data.  But it says MAY have been caused by the vaccine, and all the people were frail and over 80 (7 were over 90).  If you took 25,000 people like that, some are going to die every week even without the vaccine, so it isn't even clear if the 23 people is anything unusual.  In some of these age groups more than 1 in 10 will die naturally each year, which is 50 deaths a week.   Without a full age distribution, and a discussion of their frailty, it is impossible to say if this is unusual, or not.

Two things that are absolutely clear are:

The vaccine is nothing like as fatal as Coronavirus can be for these people (Covid is around 1/10 for these age groups, this is 1/1,000 so far);

These are absolutely not the only people who could benefit from this vaccine as the Cummins misinformation centre says.  We are both clearly going to benefit from the vaccine.  My chance of ending up in ICU really isn't that much less than someone in their 70s (about 50% of the chance from memory); and my chance if death from Covid is likely greater than 1%, with long Covid likely similar.  I'd really like to avoid all those outcomes. 

The head of the "free speech union", Toby Young has removed all his tweets from over a week ago.   

I couldn't see the post when I clicked, and it seems the guy must have blocked me when I said to leave it wherever he liked

I don't know who Toby Young is? What was he tweeting that needed deleting?

Toby Young runs Lockdown Sceptics and the free speech union (where the likes of Lozza Fox and Julia HB hang out).  He gives a platform to many of the alternative views of Covid.  Writes for the Spectator and occasionally the Telegraph.  Dad managed to get him into Oxford despite bad grades.   Got pulled up by the press regulator for making stuff up in the Telegraph earlier in the week. 

Currently scrapping with Tory MP Neil O'Brien on twitter. 

[the sicilian]

Which we're almost certain to, eventually.

Hopefully when we do, we all get a dose like Mr Morris!

Im a Muni.. watch the new film Songbird.. it may keep you up at night Loooool

[Marky147]

Which we're almost certain to, eventually.

Hopefully when we do, we all get a dose like Mr Morris!

Im a Muni.. watch the new film Songbird.. it may keep you up at night Loooool

Ha!

Neuropathy does, but no rona netflix movie will cause me any problems

Just had a look and might just watch it... Abruzzi was a great Prison Break character.

[Marky147]

The trials of these vaccines are effectively ongoing, so it shouldn't be a surprise that people are still reporting adverse findings; they should be. 

I can't comment too much on the report as it is just a report and not the full data.  But it says MAY have been caused by the vaccine, and all the people were frail and over 80 (7 were over 90).  If you took 25,000 people like that, some are going to die every week even without the vaccine, so it isn't even clear if the 23 people is anything unusual.  In some of these age groups more than 1 in 10 will die naturally each year, which is 50 deaths a week.   Without a full age distribution, and a discussion of their frailty, it is impossible to say if this is unusual, or not.

Two things that are absolutely clear are:

The vaccine is nothing like as fatal as Coronavirus can be for these people (Covid is around 1/10 for these age groups, this is 1/1,000 so far);

These are absolutely not the only people who could benefit from this vaccine as the Cummins misinformation centre says.  We are both clearly going to benefit from the vaccine.  My chance of ending up in ICU really isn't that much less than someone in their 70s (about 50% of the chance from memory); and my chance if death from Covid is likely greater than 1%, with long Covid likely similar.  I'd really like to avoid all those outcomes. 

The head of the "free speech union", Toby Young has removed all his tweets from over a week ago.   

I couldn't see the post when I clicked, and it seems the guy must have blocked me when I said to leave it wherever he liked

I don't know who Toby Young is? What was he tweeting that needed deleting?

Toby Young runs Lockdown Sceptics and the free speech union (where the likes of Lozza Fox and Julia HB hang out).  He gives a platform to many of the alternative views of Covid.  Writes for the Spectator and occasionally the Telegraph.  Dad managed to get him into Oxford despite bad grades.   Got pulled up by the press regulator for making stuff up in the Telegraph earlier in the week. 

Currently scrapping with Tory MP Neil O'Brien on twitter. 

Ahh, that's probably why. I'll no doubt come across him, if he's mobbed up there. I should have tried getting in on the making money from the corona coup.

I much prefer doing what I want when I want, but these aren't even really lockdowns, bar no pubs and casinos.

Seen first hand how it can send people sideways, so do sympathise, I don't ever want to see another acid house face, though.

Just glad I'm not one for spending too much time on FB or Twitter, as it seems to be a battleground

[Doobs]

The trials of these vaccines are effectively ongoing, so it shouldn't be a surprise that people are still reporting adverse findings; they should be. 

I can't comment too much on the report as it is just a report and not the full data.  But it says MAY have been caused by the vaccine, and all the people were frail and over 80 (7 were over 90).  If you took 25,000 people like that, some are going to die every week even without the vaccine, so it isn't even clear if the 23 people is anything unusual.  In some of these age groups more than 1 in 10 will die naturally each year, which is 50 deaths a week.   Without a full age distribution, and a discussion of their frailty, it is impossible to say if this is unusual, or not.

Two things that are absolutely clear are:

The vaccine is nothing like as fatal as Coronavirus can be for these people (Covid is around 1/10 for these age groups, this is 1/1,000 so far);

These are absolutely not the only people who could benefit from this vaccine as the Cummins misinformation centre says.  We are both clearly going to benefit from the vaccine.  My chance of ending up in ICU really isn't that much less than someone in their 70s (about 50% of the chance from memory); and my chance if death from Covid is likely greater than 1%, with long Covid likely similar.  I'd really like to avoid all those outcomes. 

The head of the "free speech union", Toby Young has removed all his tweets from over a week ago.   

I couldn't see the post when I clicked, and it seems the guy must have blocked me when I said to leave it wherever he liked

I don't know who Toby Young is? What was he tweeting that needed deleting?

Toby Young runs Lockdown Sceptics and the free speech union (where the likes of Lozza Fox and Julia HB hang out).  He gives a platform to many of the alternative views of Covid.  Writes for the Spectator and occasionally the Telegraph.  Dad managed to get him into Oxford despite bad grades.   Got pulled up by the press regulator for making stuff up in the Telegraph earlier in the week. 

Currently scrapping with Tory MP Neil O'Brien on twitter. 

Ahh, that's probably why. I'll no doubt come across him, if he's mobbed up there. I should have tried getting in on the making money from the corona coup.

I much prefer doing what I want when I want, but these aren't even really lockdowns, bar no pubs and casinos.

Seen first hand how it can send people sideways, so do sympathise, I don't ever want to see another acid house face, though.

Just glad I'm not one for spending too much time on FB or Twitter, as it seems to be a battleground

I didn't realise you were on Twitter til this morning.  Think I could have added something and this was my chance to get more than a handful of followers.  Will just be happy it is all over and I cam get some peace and quiet at home though.

[Marky147]

I didn't realise you were on Twitter til this morning.  Think I could have added something and this was my chance to get more than a handful of followers.  Will just be happy it is all over and I cam get some peace and quiet at home though.

I try not to be, outside UFC/Boxing/Vegas updates, and this last year has reinforced my reasoning

[tikay]

I didn't realise you were on Twitter til this morning.  Think I could have added something and this was my chance to get more than a handful of followers.  Will just be happy it is all over and I cam get some peace and quiet at home though.

I try not to be, outside UFC/Boxing/Vegas updates, and this last year has reinforced my reasoning

I never knew you were on Twitter until today either, so you got another new Follower now. I'm a lurker though, not a Tweeter.

[Marky147]

I didn't realise you were on Twitter til this morning.  Think I could have added something and this was my chance to get more than a handful of followers.  Will just be happy it is all over and I cam get some peace and quiet at home though.

I try not to be, outside UFC/Boxing/Vegas updates, and this last year has reinforced my reasoning

I never knew you were on Twitter until today either, so you got another new Follower now. I'm a lurker though, not a Tweeter.

My stock is rising, I'm almost a celeb now

I'm the same as you, but think I've 'Tweeted' more in the last month, than I have the last 10 years.

[Doobs]

Marina Hyde has skewered Toby Young for you Marky

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/15/waves-britain-lockdown-sceptics-crisis-government

[Marky147]

Just finished working on a case, so will have a look now

That guy who has been ripping Cummins had a livestream earlier, and I had it on while I was working.

A few other chaps joined, and while I don't think they spent a lot of time on Cummins himself, they did discuss a lot about the last year and misinformation etc.

[Doobs]

This is very long, but good.  On Toby Young's site of all places.

https://quillette.com/2021/01/16/rise-of-the-coronavirus-cranks/

[nirvana]

This is very long, but good.  On Toby Young's site of all places.

https://quillette.com/2021/01/16/rise-of-the-coronavirus-cranks/

Ha, just came here to post that. Very good piece

[Marky147]

This is very long, but good.  On Toby Young's site of all places.

https://quillette.com/2021/01/16/rise-of-the-coronavirus-cranks/

Ha, just came here to post that. Very good piece

+1

Be interesting to see what the prince of patreon has to say about that.

[Marky147]

Chucked it on Betty, that should get them going...