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HU for number 12 with Juanda in the lo ball. Would be his first non hold em bracelet

anyone got a link to the stream?

http://www.wsop.com/2011/live-video/default.aspx?TID=11455

he's gettin killed

DN said on twitter that JJ is the best 2-7 player he knows however he might just be saying that to wind PH up

Regards

G2L

Have they just taken the stream down?!?!

Down for me

Think John just won by looks of it

no hand report but this on PN:

Players Info
Players Left
1
Entries
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Average Chip Stack
3,780,000
Total Chips
3,780,000
Prize Pool
1,184,400


Read more: http://www.pokernews.com/live-reporting/2011-world-series-of-poker/event-16-2-7-draw-lowball-championship-no-limit/

and this

Top Chip Counts
1 John Juanda  3,780,000


Read more: http://www.pokernews.com/live-reporting/2011-world-series-of-poker/event-16-2-7-draw-lowball-championship-no-limit/

I'm no lowball draw expert, but am pretty sure flatting OOP is the best way to lose a 3-1 chip lead HU.

Ul Phil, would have kept the legend alive

Yet another failure in a non HL event for Phil.

I'd hardly call it a failure. He's just came runner up in a 10k world championship event to someone who is considered the best in the world (iv heard this said before from others besides DN). I'd say it's pretty damn good, even if he did lose a 3:1 CL

Hellmuth is amazing
Really wanted him to win another bracelet

He's the best poker player in the world (his words, not mine) and he lost heads up with a 3:1 CL. lolz

He's a disgrace to poker, his antics are a joke and let's not forget which company he used to represent.

I truly enjoyed seeing him lose.

His last MTT win was 2007 fwiw.

What do u think a out the full tilt pros?

Obv his antics were abit of tounge and cheek.

I doubt he was ever bad fOr the game
He is com and makes good tv
He will do more for poker then you ever will

Hitler did more for German people than I ever will. How is that a legitimate point?

The FT pro's still wearing a patch are morons imo. Difference is at this stage we still don't know the full truth. We all know what UB did and despite this he continued to wear a patch and take money from them.

If you're one of those who loves his "bad boy" antics that's up to you. I personally don't which is why I enjoy seeing the self-proclaimed greatest fail yet again to take down a tournament.

Thank god he didn't win! He would have been insufferable!

Don't say that to James Keys.

Love hellmuth

Iv met PH, dealt to him at the WSOPE. He got 1 outered, stood up, shook everyones hand including mine and left without a word.

He is a model professional away from the cameras. I respect him for that. He knows that if he does what he does he'll get attention which leads to deals and money. What's wrong with that?

you guys knocking Helmuth are a joke .
holds most bracelet wins and 40 odd wsop final table finishes. loud and obnoxious maybe but he's probably the most recognized face in poker with most definately the best wsop record. his online sponsorship deal that made him millions . dodgy site maybe .
have the full tilt sponsored players made a better choice of online site .. time will tell but probably not. these guys have just captilised on a golden opportunity to rake in the dollars.. who could blame em ?
results are everything in poker. without them ur busto : )
so for all you lot knocking his questionable plays and ability ... just try matching his wsop record playing ' the right way ' ... good luck with that

Feck me you thieve the mans lap top and then rub his nose in it. This after he has took you under his wing and spent his dough on feeding you. It's widely accepted phil lost to the best 2-7 player in the world just as James lost to the worlds best player of snap. ;)

And I'm a hellmuth fan on this one an although I used to be a JJ fan, the fact that James bord thinks he is a cheat makes me a little suspicious of the whole affair. Fwiw I thought rick ashby should have deserved the win more. I've been a big fan of his since the 80's.
"never gonna give you up , never gonna let you down"
 ;karabiner; ;karabiner; ;karabiner;

He was UB's main pro for years and years.

UB stole from Hellmuth's fellow poker players and he did nothing about it.

He doesn't deserve anyone's respect.

leaving the UB stuff aside though to say he had "failed" in this event, 2nd, is laughable and does the rest of your arguments no credit.

Just makes you look very one sided. In no way is 2nd in this event anything other than a fine acheivement

Can't knock Hellmuth. Many achievements. Has even got a bobble-head figure on sale for $19.95. A feckin bobble head figure.

That's your viewpoint. Mine was that he failed to win a tourney despite a 3:1 chip lead heads up despite being the self-proclaimed best in the world so lol @ him.

Just like anyone else who has ever represented UB I'm glad he couldn't close it out.

Also, why would you leave the UB stuff aside?

Many HU battles have been lost from a big chip lead. Hardly earth shattering or worth castigating him for

This thread was "Go Hellmuth" someone wishing him luck for the bracelet, hence I can seperate out the UB stuff from the poker achievements

You just sound exceptionally bitter, for no real reason.

The guy has done masses for poker, the image is clearly for promotional reasons (and works spectacularly well). The UB stuff is clearly a major blot, on that we agree

Err.... I'll leave the stuff in bold to speak for itself.

If you truly think I'm in the wrong for disliking someone who represented a company that stole from poker players whilst you support him, I'd suggest it's perhaps you who has your priorities wrong and not me.

I dislike him in the same way as I do Annie Duke, Joe Sebok and anyone else who was stupid enough to either sign for that company or to stay affiliated with it.

Anybody who wishes that man well clearly doesn't care much for those who suffered.

You're very one sided in this, aren't you?

While you can make the argument that Phil ought to have severed ties with UB after the stuff; it doesn't inherently make him guilty of any wrong doing. Better men and women than you or I are paid money by those whose actions are questionable.

It's akin to making the suggestion that anyone affiliated with local government ought to all resign and distance themselves with civic duty because the 'Terrorism Act' erodes further our civil liberties. ( I did struggle for an analogy, here, I admit.)

What Phil has done for the game is unquestionable. He is by far the most well known poker player and despite your personal opinions of the man, is considered to be extremely entertaining. In essence, the perfect ambassador.

As for losing his chip lead? Honestly, he lost it to Juanda in a game that the man specialises in. I don't think Hellmuth ever made claims to being the best 2-7 player in the world.

it's a no limit tournament.  a 3:1 chip lead is only 1 pot away from parity

I struggle to see what the other side is. Feel free to enlighten me.

As far as I can see he represented a company which stole from his fellow poker players and rather than taking a stand, continued to represent them.

I fail to see any positives that can be taken from that fact.

In words of almost one syllable.

Seperate out the on felt achievements from the UB stuff

You don't need to support or like the man to realise his poker achievements are legendary.

lol. Hellmuth is awesome. Don't give a shit about his UB association. Doesn't mean he's guilty of anything.

Hasn't won a 10k major since 1987.

Still, the fact he can get you to believe he's one of the best is something I have to respect.

Sigh. Stop twisting my words, I said legendary not currently one of the best

11 bracelets, countless other stuff, huge profile helped spead poker's popularity.

there wouldn't have been so many 10k majors since 1987 without him

Sigh that I have to put the other side, but you are so myopic!

Lol @ comparing hellmuth with sebok etc.

Hellmuth signed with ub long before the cheating came out. As far as he knew he was representing an honourable site. What did you want him to do? He kept quiet about it, stayed out of the way and left when his contract was up.

Phil I genuinely believe is a good guy who's had great sense to market himself amazingly well and make a lot of money and at the same time add to the attention of the game.

If you were not a poker player and flicking over the tv and saw howard lederer folding away with chris ferguson and john juanda, I doubt you'd watch for more than 30 seconds. Catch hellmuth in one of his 'on camera' rants and you'll set the remote control back down.

Ul philly boy

He should've disassociated himself from UB as soon as it all came out, other than that I don't really care. Like a lot of other poker players he thinks he's better than what he actually is.

Moneymaker was the reason poker boomed. Hellmuth keeps us interested but he isn't responsible for making thousands of people play.

Aside from the bracelets, what is this countless other stuff you speak of?


Which is surely even worse? We're talking about the industries most-talked about professional here. If he would rather help UB sweep it all under the carpet in order to carry on getting his paycheck what hope did the rest have?

He had a duty to his fellow professional's to help out and he didn't.

I respect him for the following for sure:


The fact he's managed to convince people he's the best despite not having the results to back that claim up is incredible. More so is the fact he can be associated with a company that stole from its customers and still have a clean reputation amongst so many of you is amazing.

Thank fuck he failed, the chirping would have been unbearable.............

What about his contractual obligations?

I doubt phil was worried he wouldn't get a deal elsewhere

You think it would be hard to disassociate yourself from a company that's stolen from its customers? What court of law would not see that as being hugely detrimental to your own personal and professional reputation?

Lol I dou t anyone thinks he is the best in the world

How much have ub bummed u for?

Do u hate antonious fOr having 40 accounts?

Texaslimitking Stole a few ks

Are you talking pre or post him joining FT? If you're talking about him MCing before he joined I don't care as lots of people did it. If you're talking about the claims make on QuadJacks radio, well we'll have to see if they're actually proven.

This.

so in short

Helmuth has sold out for money, through his entire life. He has represented a corrupt site, his has generated a "persona" that belies his actual personality all for a few dimes, when he was already a multi millionaire!

The guy is an insufferable prick, shows zero class when in the public domain.

Those who know him personally - may say otherwsie.

As for his poker think what you like

fk all u Hellmuth haters, <3 the Hellmuth. The geezer cracks me up, is great for poker and very entertaining plus he is a legend and is/was a great player. fk me, u plums hating on the Hellmuth have NO clue!!!!

The mere fact that we are debating this means he has achieved his goal anyway..........

+ 1 million. As pointed out this is a GO Hellmuth thread. GTFO and Start your own thread hating Hellmuth. This one is just love for the great man

+1

.

I love herbie be loves to chirp also

for all the haters - enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJvtPnKLQ34&feature=player_detailpage#t=120s

the old "9 ball corner pocket" lolz

fwiw...i always liked hellmuth..think he was the actual influence that got me into the game.... his antics can be a bit cringe worthy sometimes but also great value.

He takes a lot of stick and takes it pretty much in good heart.... kudos for that... loads of sullen little non achieving geeks out there would throw an eight year old hissy fit if they received even a fraction of the abuse hellmuth gets.

He probably gets the abuse because of the way he behaves:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUTd6-8oE2c&feature=related

Unlike Helmuth (who I love)he is playing at the top of the game, and have to  keep knocking in the results against idiots on here who are clueless.  Let's get up the hendonmobs of the clueless idiots knocking phil. I hated his involvement with UB but hey ho if they came to me with an offer today I would snap take it and get as many of you losers to open and deposit into an account as possible. Phil keeps bemoaning his luck against guys who can't even spell poker just as I do. We both open our mouths often with out thinking but deep down we are nice family guys loving our lives

My fave was him blinding off in poker after dark....so  funny.....but if he,s on tv I watch him.....

Awesome tv

Poker is about making money, yes?

P.H> jr. has made the most without having a share in FTP , probably.
 
Therefore a Legend.








Edit: he is also a Knob imo.

you know you've made it when......

cost 50$ just to get a PH hat pretty redic


still might get one as i do share the same initials as the great one

pretty happy he lost tbh

So what's the story behind bordy calling him a cheat lildave? Any pictures for us yet.

3 handed in another 10k for number 12. Gogogogogo

+1, the guy is hilarious. I would have liked to see him win a non Holdem bracelet, that would have shut a few people up.

I love what he said to Matusow " i have forgotten more about Holdem than you will ever know"

The guy is comedy gold, of course i don't think he is the best player around these days, but his record speaks for itself imo.

oh jesus all you people who think Helmuths record in NLH tournaments "speaks for itself" is such balls.  The guy has probably played the most wsop events + had played for so long before anyone knew that there was even strategy ffs.


Lets see him win a > 1/2k runner NLH tournament nowadays ffs.

I reckon Brunson was playing a fair while longer than him, I don't see why people don't come down on him as hard when he won the ME the fields were 50 or so deep... Also him playing before people even knew strategy was involved is an abso horrendous comment. Just playing that amount of wsop events before being signed means he must have been doing something right to have such deep pockets.

Doyle doesn't tell everyone he's the best in the world he just plays cash and tries to win, pretty much he seems to accept nowadays that he hasn't got the game rather than saying he's the best.

Not really, 100 runners, most of them idiots who though a  3bet was QQ+ not hard to beat those games ffs.


pre 2005 bracelets aren't worth as much as a final table in a NLH tournament nowadays !!!

pre 2000 means jack shit imo

His 11th was a huge nlhe event

so he's got 1 that's worth something? yet all we hear is the number 11?!

lol at people who think Hellmuth is still one of the greatest

AND

lol at people who think his 11 bracelets mean nothing

AND

lol at anyone who takes the Hellmuth sucks/is the greatest debate seriously




I for one am cheering for him, because it will be funny if he wins

Would be fantastic publicity if he wins.....mostly for himself.....and as Dave says the implied comedy prospects would be great........as I've said before when he,s on tv I watch....I think he,s great....go go go

U said let's see him beat a big field nowadays and he did yet your still hating. He's Obv not the best on the world but don't know why people are hating so much

his bracelets mean no where near as much as anyone seems to think.

Though I have just been pwned. I said I didn't want him to win the bracelet in the stud just because he's annoying, then I heard he was 3 handed with racener and got shown this

http://academy.fulltiltpoker.com/sessions/video/451/2-4-6-max-no-limit-holdem

goooo phil and random other guy gtfo racener you are a dousche and absolutely awful you luckbox.

he's so bad that he's heads up in his second championship event of the series. what a mug

gogogo phil

Even if he finishes runner up, likely at 4m to 1m down, he'll be leading WSOP Player of the year

he lost

Dam wanted him to win this one, so he could brag even more :)

Phil Hellmuth Eliminated in 2nd Place ($273,233)

After Eric Rodawig brought it in and Phil Hellmuth completed, Rodawig raised. Hellmuth got it in for 280,000 and Rodawig called.

Rodawig: {A-Hearts}{8-Diamonds}/{3-Clubs} - {2-Spades}{2-Clubs}{3-Diamonds}/{K-Diamonds}
Hellmuth: {J-Clubs}{10-Clubs}/{9-Hearts} - {5-Clubs}{4-Hearts}{7-Spades}

Facing Rodawig's two pair, Hellmuth was left with only three outs to keep his hopes for a 12th WSOP bracelet alive. The {J-Hearts} wasn't it, ending Hellmuth's run in second place for the second time this WSOP.

sigh

how is your dtd deepstack record? you played 19 against a field of 90% idiots who are clueless and should not be allowed to use a knife when eating and yet you still aint made day 2. i can understand  a bit of the hate andrew but if it were not for the likes of hellmuth, devilfish, moneymaker et al then we would probably all not be playing.

Wasn't Phil's last bracelket in a 2000+ NLHE WSOP event?

yep. closer to 3k than 2k entrants

We love you Hellmuth, we do, we love you Hellmuth, we do. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Hellmuth we love you.

Titbean, happy to crossbook hellmuth and/or racener with you in any donkament you both play.

i love andy and think the arguement has got a bit one sided now so i am gonna be projecting my positive mental attitude across the pond and funk my wayman some run deep. would love a heads up with Tikay for the world

Hellmuth is nowhere the best in the world at any format of poker, in fact I'd say unfortunatley for him he is an average/slighty below average tourney pro now.

However he put lots of work into his game, grinded and grinded for years and even though it was way easier back then he crushed NLHE tourney poker pretty hard, and despite what people think I believe he is excellent for the game

so lots of respect for him from me.

<3 hellmuth

He's below average amongst the top tier guys I know you have in mind but he'll never be below average in a wsop NL donkament.

thats true cos. you or little dave for some final table action please

I only play about 6 tournies a year. cash ftw

i would expect you to cash 2 or 3 of em. you are starting to sound like greek jack thats his M.O over there. cash is nice but braclet would be super dooper.

Why I consider Phil Hellmuth to be the greatest poker player of all time.

Posted on June 21, 2011 by Scott Matusow

Ok, I am going to take some shit on this one.. Many people will say Ivey is the best, Or Chip Reese, even some would say Doyle and others. However, a careful examination of the facts shows that Hellmuth is the best of all time for several reasons;

1. Bank roll management. Hellmuth, unlike the others I mentioned, just does not go broke. Whether in cash or tournaments, he manages his roll as well as, if not better than every poker player out there.

2. Live cash game results. Just because Hellmuth sometimes gets owned by top players on TV Cash games such as “High Stakes Poker” does not mean Phil is not WAY AHEAD in live cash games. Those shows are a small sample of Phil’s live cash game play. I know for fact, his all time record basically over many years, playing many cash games, from Holdem to mixed games, and Phil is just way ahead. Hellmuth is a consistent winner and again, proper money manager, and beats the krap out of fishes.

3. Tournament results.. Many people say Phil won his earning in tournaments way back when, when only a few people were playing. This is false. Since 2002, Hellmuth is the all time made cashes leader at The WSOP. In the last 6 years, He has 2 WSOP Titles(11 in all), 2 second place finishes alone this year, countless final tables, and As well, in other live tournaments, 30+wins. He is by far the all time best live Holdem tournament player, and no one is even close.

People reading this might not like Hellmuth personally based on what you see on TV. Yes, Phil can be a baby and an asshole at times on the tables, no question. Off the tables, he is a good father and husband, has been a good friend to my brother Mike, and helps others.

No one will convince me otherwise, Hellmuth is the best who has ever played poker to date, cash and tournaments, over many years with proven results. Do not listen to The “Johnny come lately’s” who bash on Phil’s cash game. They only go by what they see on TV. I go by what I have seen over many years with Phil..

Phil Hellmuth is The Jack Nicklaus of poker, bet on it!

In before the kidz come and call him a donk  :D

I didnt want to join in the debate, but if Scott Matusow says he is the best, that means he is definitely the worst. If Scott Matusow said the sky was blue I would struggle to believe it.

Just lolz at this argument. Kinda easy not to go broke when you make more money off the table than on it.

And therefore guy lalibertie is the best player in the world, obv

SM is so so so com <3

I read that sentence, then looked at the authors name then gave up.

Mike Matusow is the sane one in that pairing

and more law abiding?

lolz at the haters, the guy's record is insane he plays so much better against the fish than all the kids who knock him, if people actually looked and watched how he plays against fish rather than focus on the fact he occasionally defends of 15bb then they might actually learn a thing or two. What's even more amazing is he plays far less tournaments than people think, he pounds the WSOP plays the occasional WPT and that's it. On top of being a very nice guy who is friendly to anyone who approaches him i can't get my head around the hatred.

What do i know though i am just a moron wearing tilt patches.

Good post imo. As I said earlier ITT, can back up hes a super nice guy in person

well said and good on you for standing out from the crowd. fyp by the way

Love Flushy almost as much as Hellmuth

Yeah, busting out of a tournament, storming off, then coming back to berate the player who knocked you out is a super classy thing to do.

http://www.pokernews.com/live-reporting/2011-world-series-of-poker/event-45-no-limit-hold-em/post.191364.htm

Particularly like how he described himself as having played perfectly for two days, when in the hand he busts out in, he limps k8s from EP.

But hey, I haven't won nearly anything like he has and I never will so I'm not allowed an opinion obv.

No one has stopped you posting an opinion, no matter how belligerently you put it

the game would be pretty tez to watch without the likes of phil and schwartz etc.  whats your real name mate. i like your style and most of your posts.

like

you would like...you actually need to get more hatred in your game james. you are far too nice at the table

I'm pretty nasty online.  I constantly type "mbn" when anyone sucks out on me. Must be fairly irritating.

lol.

poker news is always accurate [ ]

pretty sure those that think he is a donk called him one way before you posted this lol

when someone makes multiple millions from poker, then keeps hold of said millions and uses them to create more millions, i'd say this is far less than donk-ish

I still maintain I think he's been brilliant for the game, and still is, I love watching him play cos you can tell how much he loves it, even after all the years he looks like he's just lost a relative everytime he busts out of a $1500 event

Just new it was coming again, its just what happens mate  :D

I think it's wrong that Solaris isn't allowed an opinion.

2011 World Series of Poker
Event #55: $50,000 Poker Player's Championship


29 of 128 left

Top Chip Counts
1    Josh Arieh    1,819,000
2    Brian Rast    1,633,000
3    George Lind    1,304,000
4    Vladimir Shchemelev    1,181,000
5    Phil Hellmuth    1,174,000
6    Scott Seiver    1,137,000
7    Jason Lester    948,000
8    Jon Turner    948,000
9    Yan Chen    887,000
10    Shaun Deeb    876,000


Event #55: $50,000 Poker Player's Championship

    * Live Reporting
    * Chip Counts
    * Photo Gallery
    * Payouts

Place    Winner    Sponsor    Prize (USD)
1          1,720,328
2          1,063,034
3          665,763
4          482,085
5          376,750
6          300,441
7          243,978
8          201,338
9          168,529
10          168,529
11          143,400
12          143,400
13          124,723
14          124,723
15          108,503
16          108,503

3rd non-hold'em event this year he's gone deep in? Yeah the guys shit at everything but hold'em

They haven't even made the cash yet.

How is that a deep run?

Its Day 3 playing tomoro.

How is that not a deep run?

Because they haven't even made the cash yet.

Just because it's a well-structured tournament that allows for a lot of play doesn't mean you've gone deep.

By the same argument, you could say that any player who makes day 3 of the main event has had a deep run. This clearly isn't true as the bubble isn't broken until day four or are we now suggesting that the 1203 players who made it through day 3 of the ME last year all had a deep run?

ask titaniumbean how deep a day 3 run is lol

I've just paid $10k for the main event, ONE TIME MAKE AT LEAST A DAY TWO PWEASE (seven days is just a joke !!)


What was the main skill you utilised to crush Marrakesh so hard Jason, pls to be teaching me?!!?

this is not really a well structured tourney from the updates ive been reading

Hellmuth could win it and Solaris wouldst class it as a deep run.

F the haters. Go philly philly philly!!!

Gogogogogogo HELLMUTH.

Well they are not in the money and they have played 3 days, seems pretty long to me.

From reading tweets people seem to think the structure isn't quite right, with the blinds early being really small but increasing too quickly in terms of size not time.

ALL OF THIS

i was one of a small hand full of poker players in a large field of french men Andy. suited my ABC style down to the ground.

as for the wsop main, in my small sample size the field is incredibly weak and getting through the first couple of days is all about survival and finding the right spots to take chips off those that will inevitably donk em too you. guess this year will be a little tougher as i would expect the %age of players who can play to be slightly higher. you are better than a lot of the suckers that will be playing. dont give those suckers an even break by racing with em, they are good at getting it in pre flop racing but are pretty clueless about what to do once the flop comes down.
gl andy, funking for you

Ima just fold lots and see if being an absolute nit but wearing big headphones and a hoody makes people spew.

I've also found that alot of the younger guys playing the WSOP events played absolutely awfully being so spewey it was ridiculous. Still haven't won a flip out here yet though and best not flop any sets rotflmfao


At least I got me a $10 food voucher when I bought in I need feeding up! :)

but the queue for the food will be massive and you will probably starve before getting to the front of it.

ah but with portion sizes out here, I buy one meal and get it to go. I'm still eating the first one I bought 2 weeks into my trip! nearly eaten half of it. :p

yes yes yes, but want we want to know is have you been dealt an ace and an eight yet?
 ;all-in;

I like Phil Hellmuth.

are all your post negative?

are you not a happy person

You're obviously not a fan of logic or reasoning.

Then again I already knew that.

Tbf, all your posts are pretty negative and not just in this thread.

how is playing for three days not going deep?
beating 78% of the field seems pretty deep to me.
does cashing always mean ur deep in a tourney?

how is hellmuth a really bad player?

I've already given an example. What is your opinion of that? I'll post it again.

Is playing for three days in the main event and finishing in 1203rd spot a deep run in your opinion in a 7.8k runner field?

Do you believe that you've had a deep run in any tournament even when there's over a 1/5th of the field left?

I don't think people really think about the % of the field when they mean going deep.

Making day 4 of a 10,000 runner tourney with 2,000 left may be considered a deep run.

But you wouldn't consider making the top 2 of a 10 player STT a deep run.

If you've been playing the game a long time and got through a large number of players it can be considered a deep run imo.

well ryan parmer i believe that when theres only 3 tables left to be pretty deep

but in the context to the ME i believe finishing around 1k in players is mid-deep stage but if it was me i would say i had a deepish run in the wsop


are you still looking for staking? I might be able to help

There's 4 tables left.

Using last year's main event, if you finish around 1600th of the 7.3k players that entered, percentage wise it's pretty much the exact same as finishing 28th in a 128 man field. In both cases you'll have played for 3 days. 

I don't see how either is a deep run.

You seem to be confusing playing for a long amount of time to going deep because finishing 28th in a 128 man tourney isn't a deep run imo.

what is the point of this deep run debate?

trying to get to 300 posts imo

Could always avoid the thread ldo?

sorry cant remove ur name i am too much of a retard to do it like you said in ur message


can you please answer my other questions


also i never said that they were deep runs
i said they were deepish and pretty deep runs
doesnt mean that they are deep, just almost deep :)

true. i keep checking it though cos everyone defending hellmuth and you standing your grand and fighting them all off is pretty com.

im on the fence on that one so dont have anything constructive to add.

Just GTFO this thread. Hellmuth is on a DEEP RUN. End of. Go Phil!

not according to ryan "solaris" parmer it isnt

Who cares what one random thinks about the greatest no limit player to ever play?

No surprises there. ;)

Nice backtracking paul. Keep digging that hole, hopefully we'll be able to bury you in it before long.

your so classy

Great to see Phil on such a deep run.

yeah be amazing to see him lock up another 2nd place - i know the joy it would bring to him

Really impressed at this latest deep run from big phil

I've played Hellmuth several times, for a total of probably about 10 hours. I can confirm 2 things:

1, He is technically terrible, and a lot of the things he says and does make no logical sense.

2, He is not some amazing nice guy away from the table, we chatted a bit at the table but I'm certain if I were to pass him in the corridor tomorrow he wouldn't know me from Adam. At least he hasn't given any indication that he would any of the last 20 times we've passed in the corridor. I don't get the feeling this would happen with Jake or Julian or any other player I've met with a genuine 'nice guy' reputation.

Re: flushy's post about how he plays really amazing against fish: The fish shit are shit-scared of him. Because of the reputation he has built himself (which I agree is incredibly smart, if possibly entirely accidental) the fish play extremely straightforward against Hellmuth, they almost never attempt to bluff and when they do they get so excited/scared that they're ridiculously easy to read. Playing against fish is actually much easier for Hellmuth than it is for other players, IMHO of course.

Ironically, it looks like he might actually be genuinely good at mixed games though.

Set of Kings , 1.5mill LETS GOOOO HELLMUTH

For a pure entertainment POV he is the dogs IMO

2011 World Series of Poker
Event #55: $50,000 Poker Player's Championship

11 of 128 left

Top Chip Counts
1    Scott Seiver    4,050,000
2    Matt Glantz    2,420,000
3    Minh Ly    2,310,000
4    Brian Rast    2,300,000
5    Phil Hellmuth    1,650,000
6    Owais Ahmed    1,410,000
7    Jeffrey Lisandro    1,240,000
8    Ben Lamb    1,000,000
9    Vladimir Shchemelev    989,000
10    Jason Lester    850,000
11     George Lind 550,000

In before not a deep run until HU

If he wins it won't be a deep run

Would be grand news for poker if he got the bracelet imo.

2nd would be funnier.

Ignoring logic ftw

Hellmuth's had a pretty impressive WSOP given the stick he's got in the past for his supposed lack of mixed-game ability.

Not long left till the final table too and if he makes it he'll obviously win as it becomes solely NLHE and he's the self-proclaimed best so anything less would be an epic failure.

Should be fun to watch.

gogogogogo Big Philly style.

GLGLGL Phil

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Above 2Mill

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I think Hellmuth is the stone cold nuts.

Ridiculous to say he is bad at poker, theres so much more than being technically perfect, he absolutely crushes the fish, and yeah its likely because they are scared to play against him but thats part of what makes him good.. his aura.   His edge against bad players is way bigger than nearly all the young online guys, and it hugely makes up for any technical preflop 'mistakes' he might make.

12!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

down to 1 table and he's 5/9. does this count as a deep run yet?

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cmon Phil

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Thank the lord. Been crying all morning thinking my world had ended after skolsupers post.  You just restored my faith. X

Can you please point me to the thread on Stu Ungar?

stopped for the night


Top Chip Counts
1    Minh Ly    5,215,000
2    Brian Rast    2,655,000
3    Matt Glantz    2,535,000
4    George Lind    2,315,000
5    Phil Hellmuth    2,245,000
6    Owais Ahmed    1,425,000
7    Ben Lamb    1,180,000
8    Jason Lester    970,000
9    Scott Seiver    725,000

Event #55: $50,000 Poker Player's Championship
Day 4 completed
Day 4 Concludes; Ly Leads Final Nine

A long, long, long day and night of poker has concluded, with nine players still remaining with chips in Event No. 55, the $50,000 Poker Player's Championship. Seven 100-minute levels today saw the field cut from 29 to the final nine, with Minh Ly ending the day with the most chips.

It took about five hours of Day 4 for the field to be trimmed to 16 and the money bubble to burst. Among those going out prior to making the cash were Phil Galfond, David Oppenheim, David "ODB" Baker, Gus Hansen, Shaun Deeb, and Jon Turner. Robert Mizrachi -- hoping to match his brother Michael's victory in this same event last year -- saw his tourney journey come to an end in 17th, just one spot shy of the cash.

Meanwhile, Brian Rast, Scott Seiver, and Matt Glantz began to push forward to the top of the counts as the first players to make the money were eliminated. Sebastian Ruthenberg (16th), Barry Greenstein (15th), and Michael Binger (14th) went out in relatively rapid succession, followed by start-of-Day-4 leader Josh Arieh in 13th. Then, after Yan Chen went out in 12th, it would be more than three hours before Jeffrey Lisandro (11th) and Vladimir Shchemelev (10th) hit the rail.

Play continued past 5 a.m. as the remaining nine gathered around a single table. During the latter stages of play, Minh Ly emerged as the big chip leader with more than 5.2 million -- about twice that of his nearest challengers Rast and Glantz. Here are the seating assignments and chip counts:

Those three will be joined by George Lind, Phil Hellmuth, Owais Ahmed, Ben Lamb, Jason Lester, and Scott Seiver when play resumes at 3 p.m. tomorrow. Here's where they'll be sitting, and how many chips each will have for tomorrow's first hand:
Seat   Player   Chips
1   Brian Rast   2,660,000
2   George Lind   2,315,000
3   Phil Hellmuth   2,245,000
4   Owais Ahmed   1,425,000
5   Scott Seiver   725,000
6   Minh Ly   5,215,000
7   Ben Lamb   1,180,000
8   Jason Lester   920,000
9   Matt Glantz   2,535,000

Has he gone deep yet?!?! Oioi hellmuth. number 12 pls!

IS IT A DEEP RUN YET?

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have to say ...would love helmuth to take this down....

Nice pic, the one of herbie was proper confusing. Always thought it was him posting.

Helllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllmuthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Anyone know where i can get some of these for ma tea?

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/boilers89/philhellmuthspokerbrats.png)

Goooooooooooooooooooooooooo Big Philly Style.

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Looking fwd to this stream...am I right in presuming that this tourney is getting the full espn tv treatment also.......go Phil............

Would be great if Hellmuth had a deep run in this.

lol

Think it'd be cool if Hellmuth had the runs during this not so deep run.

the problem is that with only 128 entrants even if he wins he'll only be in the top 0.78% of the field and there's no way that counts

Gatso's right. Even if he wins it's not a deep run in some piss pot buy in.

This one could settle POY as well.  Lamb is currently leading the rankings but an early exit for him (especially before the official 8 handed FT) and a HU finish for Hellmuth might turn it around.  As far as the whole Hellmuth is God/Hellmuth sucks debate.

How good most people say he is<<<<<How good he is<<<<<How good he thinks he is<<<<<How good he says he is

When he wins the poy you will get the clowns saying it's only because he enters so many tourneys. These will be the ones who have played 10 events at the Venetian and most of the cheaper wsop events this month and Put their failure to cash down to variance or if they are lucky they min cashed then plastered it all over facebook that they have a star sPangled banner to go on thier hendonmob. ;)

Would surely be Hellmuth greatest acheivement if he shipped the $50k and the POY. Goooooooooooooooooooooo Philly!

Careful what you type in here. Amatay will just whack it on twitter and claim it has is own. Thief!!

Would surely be Hellmuth's greatest acheivement if he shipped the $50k and the POY. Goooooooooooooooooooooo Philly!

Post of the year! Give this guy a medal!

GOGO NUMBER 12!!!!

you need to change yr twitter link mate....

There's an argument that if he comes second in this and ships the POY that will still be miles ahead of any of his other acheivements.  Heck there's a valid argument to say this series has been his greatest achievement as it stands right now.

sigh, typeamonts.

such lies! You copied me mate!

Yeah. Gotta be said, 3 finals in non-hold'em championship events is ridic, without the fact 2 were 2nds.

why did nobody rave about schemelev last year then (insert any other name from previous 5 years)

solaris where r u ?

Maybe because smellyev doesn't have 11 bracelets already guy

hey you got your ears on good buddy.... hope everything is going well for you. gl in the main

How many 2nd place finishers do you remember from last year?

I love how you only reply to my posts (which I make on my phone that are passing comments). Selective deafness?

I don't see what comments I've missed. Feel free to enlighten me oh wise one.

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From what i know, Hellmuth was considered a mixed game spot by the sicko's for a long time, this prolly doesn't mean that he is actually THAT bad at them, but he plays in fields he is pretty dominated by.

I read that he has been working ridic hard on mixed games this last year cos its his best chance at adding to his bracelet haul, and he has finalled 3 championship events so fair play to him if he got off the "Im the best" horse and did some work, so hats off to him again.

This being said I kinda don't want him to win this tourney, but if he did it would be a fantastic series for him

Espn feed ?

wat time uk time is it due to start?

Meant to be at 11, but probably won't be till half 11 I'd have thought. These things are rarely on time.

this is hellmuth here right

i am pretty sure he will chirp for a year or 5

He has come 2nd twice for his 12th braclet and i am pretty sure i havent seen/heard/read him moaning any more than he should.

phil_hellmuth: "no player can wear a sponsor logo at final table!?! How we supposed to make money?"

a blog about the rule concerned

Without question, the World Series of Poker (WSOP) is the greatest poker event in the world. It’s got everything: tradition, scale, glory, ESPN and the opportunity for an unknown to become instantly rich and famous.

During my first trip to the WSOP in 2004, I asked the producers from ESPN their opinion on player logos and the response was as quick as it was refreshing: “We are just here to film a poker tournament; we don’t care what the players wear. We don’t want them to even know we are here filming.”

As the event has grown and changed over the past seven years, so have the corporate motives behind the WSOP. Without question, Caesar’s has been a good steward of the game, often striking the right balance between what’s best for players and what’s best for the company.

However, Caesar’s has severely crossed that line with Rule 53(c) of the 2011 World Series of Poker® Official Tournament Rules which states:

“Hats may be worn at tables intended for television taping but may not display any logo or promotional language, except for those logoed items sold to the general public through traditional commercial retail outlets.”

You see, according to Caesar’s, the WSOP broadcast has become too commercialized, so they need to remove these player sponsorship opportunities for the betterment of the game. Apparently, players wearing logos on their hats hurt distribution, ratings, etc.

This rule hurts every sponsored poker player and every player who has ever dreamed of being sponsored. The most lucrative sponsorship “inventory” a poker player has to sell is the front of his/her hat, and Caesar’s just arbitrarily took it away. It will diminish the value of the “A” list poker superstars who are currently sponsored. This rule will eliminate sponsorship dollars for the regular Joe’s who are lucky enough to make it to an ESPN TV table.

When my client Phil Hellmuth plunked down the $50,000 buy-in and made the final table of this year’s Poker Players Championship, the folks at Caesar’s and ESPN were ecstatic because they know the 11 time WSOP champ brings ratings. That didn’t stop them, however, from telling him he couldn’t wear a hat from his sponsor Aria Resort & Casino. Somehow, inexplicably, an Aria logo on his shirt is allowed, but the logo on his hat would tarnish and diminish the television product.

Since my first WSOP in 2004, Caesar’s has methodically, year by year, inch by inch encroached on player likeness rights. This year they finally crossed the line. I only hope they revisit this policy and restore a player’s ability to wear a logo on the front of their hat.

As much as its nice for the player to makes a few $$$$$ on the site, I can't think why any sensible commercial organisation would allow anything other than official sponsors to show advertisements at the table.

Any links to watch it?

Because if that extra money is taken out of the poker economy then it may effect numbers?

doubt it. updaters not even allowed to see at the moment

sigh, cheers

will presubably be here when they reach a final

http://www.wsop.com/2011/live-video/default.aspx?TID=11449

Probably sorted ages ago but what happened with the WPT and the image rights argument they had with the players a few years back.  Oh back when Lederer was the people's champion....

Nah, because official sponsors might be reluctant to pay big $$$$ if their brand is watered down on TV by the presence of a bunch of caps etc with random company names on, the fewer the products advertised the higher price can be charged for placement on TV. Its questionable if it would continue to be televised if Harrah's could not attract sponsors to stick their brand on TV.

dont look like it :(

Or it's simply because Harrah's want all the money themselves? Doubt this is driven by ESPN

http://live.pokeroff.ru/197-wsop-2011-event-55-i-54-final-tables-video.html

link for those who want it

Nice link. Good quality. Philly in meditation mode. Gogogogo.

Both I would have thought, believe it or not Harrah's do it to make a profit  ::)  They aren't a charity same as any other business.

No players=no business.

Final in NLHE? think it should remain all games through final

not getting this. how is it different from shirt sponsorship in football, snooker players wearing patches, etc, etc?

Poker players don't have any power compared to 'proper' sportmen

Agree but I'm arguing they should. U seem to be arguing in favour of Harrah's decision which is puzzling

They will get the players regardless and they know it. There are just too many dreamers in the poker world for them to stop playing.........

Wow sick first hand. Phil limps c/off. Button 185k. Minh Ly 440k. Button shoves 1.2m all in and Ly folds?!?!?

It's a complete joke that it doesn't imo.

Your right mate, I'm on the players side obv. I'm just saying how it is and Harrah's know that so they don't need to accommodate players demands. I obv work in a commercial environment with sales and marketing so I just know how this stuff works.

I wouldn't be so sure. The poker economy is shrinking- no doubt about it. With full tilt seemingly gg'd, Black Friday etc etc you may see the product shrink further. Don't see how taking another revenue stream from players is going to help

not sure on stack sizes here but seiver gotta be a decent fave?

Anyway bollox to this.

PHIL PHIL PHIL!!!

Seiver 7/8 with 20 bigs

and wearing a PH hat so obv second fave

The WSOP is up in numbers this year. If that changes in future they may have to rethink it.

Where the fk is Norman Chad and his tall mate ?

For the cameras isn't it? Didn't ESPN decide that the non-NLHE events don't attract as much interest. When they said they aren't televising the $50k due to mixed final the numbers were down. So they put it back to NLHE to generate interest. Or something like that?

lol chip passing

Am up funking warren wooly. Any funk on here please. He just doubled up with JJ 5 players left.
Where you watching phill at george

there is a WW funk thread Herbinho

does Kara Scott have to be more 'american' when working for ESPN? fit though!

omg

PAIR THE BOARD!

weeeeeeeee

wtf was that!

go hellmuth!

booooooom. he might just go deep now

Blow up from Hellmuth would've been amazing if Rast got there.

FULL HOUSE.

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

long way to go before that imo

Loving his patented snap call.

soz, I got a bit overexcited

tighty where are these people watching hellmuth

here http://live.pokeroff.ru/197-wsop-2011-event-55-i-54-final-tables-video.html

ha at first i thought he had knocked his stack over by accident and it had been judged as a call (that wouldnt stand in this event though would it??)

he asked tighty not you gatso. Delete link pls

cheers. watch this russian site earlier in series ty

Ignore gatso Herzinho

Here you go  http://live.pokeroff.ru/197-wsop-2011-event-55-i-54-final-tables-video.html


Still at the shallow end though

it's alright. it was tighty posting from my a/c. he came round for tea and scones but he's gone now, he's due at amatay's @ 1.30, they're going to share spam, cheese and beans on toast

laaaaaaaaddddddddddeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Still not gone deep yet tho

lamb going out is massive in the poty stakes. anyone any idea at what point phil will take the lead?

warren gtd 4th atm

when he goes deep

great analysis from Busqeut. the geezer knows what he's talking about imo

sigh, so basically never then

Wp tighty

I fear that i'm going to have to sleep at some point :(

Regards

C♂

lol GTFO seiver

Regards

C♂

Any further news? They on a break or somat?

Been back on a while, had to refresh mine earlier, down to 6, Seiver gone 88<<<<<<<AA.

COME ON PHILLY!

Hellmoooot playing pretty solid

I take that bk. Surely a snap with A7 and 2pr there. Could cost him

Yeh that's the pot for the lot...don't wanna spoil the party but yeh...costly mistake perhaps. Gogogo

Gonna need a funk for Mitch soon...he's a reasonable way through the 1500, 160out of 3k players left.

I'm too much of a fish to ever fold that.

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GOGO Phil. He's turned me. I really want him to win now. I can't explain it.

10million / 19 in play 4 handed whoop

Is there a feed? The updates havent moved in 2 and a half hours. Whats happening?!

Gooooo ph!

GOWAN SON!!!! AJ limped bvb, Ahmed jams the short with KT, Phil snaps his arm off, Ahmed flops a King, The king rivers an Ace. WIIIIIII

ACEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

the stream is slower then the updates on pokernews

I think hellmuth will get crushed if heads up with rast :(

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HELLLLMUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Updates?

http://www.pokernews.com/live-reporting/2011-world-series-of-poker/event-55-the-poker-player-s-championship/
updates


http://live.pokeroff.ru/197-wsop-2011-event-55-i-54-final-tables-video.html
stream
v good quality

Hope he wins, but 2nd would be funny, well done to him either way

At least one.

phil looking [  ] super positive atm

Feed that works?

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http://live.pokeroff.ru/197-wsop-2011-event-55-i-54-final-tables-video.html


players on a break

Gooooooooooooooooooooooo Big Philly style.

wanting phil to win but reckon he may have to cooler rast heads up. rast is too good

Ok phil lets goooo

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I don't think Hellmuth is the greatest player in the world, in fact technically some of the stuff he has been seen doing in NLHE is downright awful.

But I don't see how any of the doubters (of which I was one) cant admit that he is better, even if only slightly, than they thought after this years efforts at the WSOP - heads up 3 times in non holdem events, over 1 mill in winnings, going to win the POY race.

But imagine how insufferable he will be! Pretty much won't be watching any tv poker with him on it!

If he wins we need Ivey to come back and win the ME, that would steal some thunder!

Thats what makes him great though, we want him to be a dick.

Actually the most balla thing he could do would be to be very humble, praise his opponent etc.

Christ, whats his ME entrance going to be like?

he just won a 8m pot, looks like its gonna be 12 baby

Just tuned in again to see Hellmuth take a big pot :)

Link please

http://live.pokeroff.ru/197-wsop-2011-event-55-i-54-final-tables-video.html

I am minded to quote Caesar:

Why, man, he doth bestride the narrow world
Like a Colossus; and we petty men
Walk under his huge legs, and peep about
To find ourselves dishonourable graves.
Men at some time are masters of their fates:
The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings

Hellmuth will win the main event too!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cc/Mechagodzilla.jpg)

(http://s3files.core77.com/blog/images/Balloon-Tank.jpg)

(http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljx3yvztwr1qagm4vo1_500.jpg)

(http://www.vantageaviation.co.uk/Images/Freefall_300.jpg)

He will probably use the same team from the Haye vs Klitschko entrance

Double checkraise! Take it down!

wozers, nice check raisey daisy.

Hellmuth getting run over heads up... Oh wait

damm left to take the kids to school 3 handed..cliffs please think A6 to take out 3rd

Hellmuth calls ly shove with A6 like you said.

Then HU obviously we cant see the cards so from what it looks like on the live feed hellmuth has just not put a foot wrong.

cheers. left it on and as i went out the door heard phil makes big call with A6 ty

Get there!!!!

how funny would a rowdy pissed up brit rail be heckling Phil right now?

Bricks , uh oh bad feeling here.

Bah. Hope he doesn't now spew lol. Still got a 3:1 chip lead.

be even better supporting him and singing we love phil songs. would piss off antonio and rasts railers

TOBY LEWIS TO WIN IT

eeeeeeeeeeeeeek

sigh. come on Hellmuth. Pull it back. 4 chances for the title all bricktastic.

I want phil to win it but i just cant see it from here.

Is he deep yet?

Like 75bbs i think

Nearly. He's so so close.

I saw a Barry Carter tweet saying this was Hellmuth's first 7-figure tournament cash. 

However, he might have been referring to his 1989 win.

I hope Phil wins simply because the 'we will Rast you' chant is the gayest thing I have ever witnessed

Hahahaha

call bullshit on this. thought you was from sheffield??

Must be pretty gutting to have it in for the title and to lose both times

Wow. He needs to hit this one!

Meanwhile, Chez Solaris

(http://www.periperi.co.uk/images/casestudy3_2img5.jpg)

Booooooo. Pretty sick :(

pmsll

Great run Hellmuth.

Beaten by the better man on the day. It happens.

SIGHHhhhhhhhh

sigh, ul phil, so close to a deep run

now win the ME please

wow. i cant believe i have a sick feeling in my stomach like i just got kicked in the balls...3 flush draws for immortality miss all 3 and gutted. gg phil

You got to feel for hellmuth there even if you hate him. You cant even say yeah but you won a mill becuase it just doesnt matter to him.

Is it me or has PH calmed down since his departure from UB?

Variance.

UL PH.

wow thats a tad unlucky, how the money didnt go in when kk vs A7 and then losing 3 flips.

Not saying you are wrong but rast didnt even show up HU until he was down to 2.5mill vs 16.5mill then he just finds 6 bricks to win it quickly.

Also lol hellmuth is right when he just said i am supposed to move in with the A7 you call KK and i win it there.

this

I was discussing this with someone and I think the temper tantrums were for their benefit, I think a sponsor must want the pram throwing more than he does.

He made zero mistakes and got it in with the best of it 3 times. What more can he do?

Hellmuth, as he's admitted played the A7 hand badly, so only he knows deep down how much he'll regret some of the decisions he made.

Doesn't change the fact he's had an awesome series and proved a lot of people wrong. Hopefully we get to see a reduction in the sideshow that he brings to the table. Insulting dealers, players and everyone else in between is not something that's good for poker imo.

FFS... how does Rast run that good... to fade 3 flopped Fdraws..

Phil was a different person in his interview with Kara Scott, real gent and humble (for Phil)

He even seemed humbled in his after event interview  ;gobsmacked; he didnt sound like that much of a douche either. So UB were going for the bad boy image all the way to the end then lol

Yea, I agree guys. I particularly liked the way he told Rast he should tip the dealer a million dollars, whilst complaining about the dealer and Rast's luck.

Super classy!

please look up the word irony

Give it up man it is getting very boring.

I wasn't being ironic lol, that was a lot tamer for him. I didn't say he was classy but he has definitely calmed down a hell of a lot.

whats this?

My apologies. I'll stick his cock firmly down my gob like the rest of you.  :)up

People with alternative opinions suck. What was I thinking.

Thought Phil behaved with dignity!! I'm very surprised at this fundamental personality change but I like it!!!

I haven't been the biggest Hellmuth fan of recent years but I really felt for him with this one..really funking for him in the ME now..as long as he doesn't turn up with 35 lions and a GaGa obv.

BTW What the fuck was Scotty Nguyen on???? Disgusting behavior on the way to taking RAZZ HORSE bracelet....

xx

That was the 50k HORSE bracelet.

Watch it on Pokertube if you get the chance. Absolutely hilarious how badly Scotty behaves.

F me you're right it was HORSE!!!! Shall edit forthwith!!

Sleep deprivation for the loss :(

Best get some kip in before the ME

xx

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I CAN DODGE BRACELETS BABY.

2nd place

BEST.POSSIBLE.OUTCOME.

LOL Yes, I like Phil, but I couldn't cope with the chirping that would follow  :D

Harsh, but still funny!

FWIW, I'm not a Hellmuth fan but it seems very blinkered to deride his achievements in the game.  He might not have 3 bracelets to his name this year but he's surely laid to rest any doubts about his abilities or his right to be among the poker legends.

Well deserved POTY, and not reliant on Holdem to achieve it.

I think leaving UB has done him good (and it's part of the reason why I dislike him less than I used to).

Leaving UB has got nothing to do with Phils so called attitude change.

There will be 2 reasons

1. Phil is very shrewd, and he is now seeing alot of negative association to his antics from former supporters. He has been working in "new phil" for a couple of years, all he needs is something to fully implement it with - this could well be it. His problem will be that underneath his is a whinger (see tip dealer comment) and he will never totally lose the image

2. He has been working with Sam Chauhan (sp?) alot and this has changed his outlook and undoubtably had a massive impact on his game

The only thing that has amazed me about Phil is that he went all these years being sponsored by UB but never having any of the shit stick to him - that is very impressive

Im delighted we wont have to listen to him beat the 12 bracelets drum, it will be interesting to see if he can hold in the 3 2nd place whine!

I think this could be the first time anyone has ever binked POY without winning a bracelet. Sure he could brag about that a bit.

Heard Phil had done a lot of work on his mixed games, maybe he should've spent a bit more time working on hu.

still a long way to go to win, wsope included this year. 8 events left so he could still win one or someone could easily overtake him

Didn't realise wsopE was counted. But still. It's his to lose. Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Phil.

Win ME imo

Feels wrong to me that they include this.  Does that mean they also include the Circuit events aswell?

nope, open bracelet events only

Pretty sure wsope doesn't count

when was wsope last year? as poty was decided at main event FT

you can be as sure as you like but you'd still be wrong

judging by the comments made in the interview he had with kara scott following his heads up i think it has been introduced this year

http://www.bluffmagazine.com/wsop-poy/formula.asp

I am at work but managed to see all 3 ai's for the top prize, i felt to sick for him and then thought the only way i could feel worse was if it had happened to me.  I throw my teddies when it happens to me in a $5 sng, but 3 times in a row and for that prize, sickness

I for one wanted him to win and i love the entertainment he brings to the game. So mvmmzdckjscnscvs  to the haters. ( And BTW i think i would say a lot worse then "tip the dealer...." )

Steve

Phil really needs to learn how to play heads up if he's got serious intentions about running deep in tournaments

lol

Lol

He is obv a shadow of his former self.......

I think we should really remember the forgotten victim in all of this.

Yes, the first reserve 'model' for his Main Event entrance.  Back to the pole you go M'Lady.

John Racener :)

James Dempsey

Jason Herbert in Marrakesh (well its been a while)

You would throw your toys out of the pram because you lost three flips? All of which you got your money in bad? Interesting.

but to lose 3 on the bounce is pretty harsh especially as anyone of em getting there is a monumentous moment in history.

Of course, but Hellmuth survived an all-in earlier on when Rast had a flush draw so its swings and roundabouts.

Whilst it would be frustrating there's no point getting annoyed about it. Nothing you can do.

Plus I thought Phil played the last hand badly/strange. He raised pre to about 400k, Rast flatted from the BB. Rast leads for 500k and Hellmuth just open shoves. Was such a weird way to play the hand.

No I think these defeats are only making him stronger and better and more hungry. The other players should fear Phil now.

I thought u were Phil?

Not quite, but at the tables I can look into the souls of fish just like Phil does.

Who r bigger trolls herbie or solaris ?????????????????? Herbie has calmed down alot but solaris is still going stronng

I think Solaris should be allowed an opinion

I do also

It's a cheer on Hellmuuuuth thread so its a bit strange that the trolls get mad when they told they aint welcome on it with negative stuff. Go make a "Hellmuth sucks thread"

sorry for being a nob

but you do really annoy me
but there was no need for me to act like a nob either


TROLLOLOLOLOLOL

Pmsl. What you doing with one of my wedding photos

;)

They are amazing sherbert

Yes but how the fuck have you got em lol

Solaris how many times have you come second in a wsop event? There is every reason to be annoyed especially if it happens 3 times in a year!!

Really wanted hellmuth to win this one, would have been a really good story for the game in stark contrast to all the black friday/full tilt going bust stories.

Some of the hands from the heads up match are lolbad (limp calling 3.5x raises with 96s playing 20bbs deep and opening to 3.5x pre) and Rast outplayed him pretty hard but still wanted a hellmuth win

Word is that hellmuth has been working on mixed games a ton this year and its only a matter of time before he has a non-holdem bracelet. He's still had a ridiculous series though and is leading the POY standings. His attitude seems to be much improved to so good luck to the guy, haters gunna hate.

I've always been indifferent to the Hellmuth personality while respecting his MTT record.  With how much the game has changed during his career I think three seconds in championship events from different disciplines in the same year and the POY crown would easily be his greatest achievement in poker, far greater than any year he won a bracelet including the ME win.

It would be ironic if the man who has such an infatuation with winning bracelets will gain infinitely more respect in a year he didn't win one than he has gained in any bracelet year (unless he ships the main event this year of course).

I thought this was funny and searched my bollox off to find a ring girl just holding a sign saying 12. Failed miserably, so this will have to do.

(http://images.clipart.com/thm/thm14/CL/3D/041906_1/ring_girl_round_12_walking_pt_res.thm.jpg)

Chill out,  don't take to literally :)

Blinds off some of his stack thinking he wasent even playing day 2a. Comes back to 9k chips now has 55k

What a hero. Apparantly he thought his day 2 was 2b. Mike the Mouth got security to break into his room lol

Abso Legend!!

abs star. win the lot please phil

Hellmuths last tweet...

WOW!! So happy, not chip leader, BUT ended Day Two w $64,900!! Had 7k when I sat down and ran it up without ever being all in and called!!

<3 The Hellmuth

Gotta love how he always puts the $ sign in front of his chip count.

Haha what a boss!!

Hope he gets to the final, I might have to make a November trip if he does!!

Its interesting to note in general how Hellmuth's popularity has changed on here over the years. When this forum first started he was the man to look up to, then the kidz started to get good and he was considered a donk by many of them, seems like he has made a resurgence in popularity in recent times.  :)

Genius!!! Though I can't think of anything worse than mike the mouth breaking into the room!!!

Xx

he still is considered a donk by lots of peeps but you don't hear about it cos tighty doesn't let them have an opinion

Yeah sure, but I'm just noticing the swongs back and forth of the majority. Actually it might be just the vocal ones, who knows for sure.

kids found varience and it hit them that to stay in the game 20  years that maybe his style works

Comedy exit from the me.....can u play 33 any worse........ul Phil

Ben Lamb's incredible run in 2011 continues to roll. Now that we're down to 137 players in the Main Event, Lamb is guaranteed at least 75 points in the 2011 World Series of Poker Player-of-the-Year Race, meaning he will finish the summer with a minimum of 734.05 points. That is especially significant since is vaults him in front of Phil Hellmuth (710.25 points) on top the POY Leaderboard.
Luckily for Hellmuth, the race will continue in October at the WSOP-Europe.


Read more: http://www.pokernews.com/live-reporting/2011-world-series-of-poker/event-58-no-limit-hold-em-championship/

in @ no 12 in most punchable faces lolz

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/786021-50-most-punchable-faces-in-professional-sports/page/40

......pokers not a sport

25 mins in. Mizarchi's 75 float against ph. So good!

http://www.pokercast.tv/1649-poker-after-dark-s07e46

Just watched some of PAD cash game, Bellande spewed off 200bbs with AQ into AK of Ferguson, Hellmuth lost like 6k in the hand and gave ridic amounts of rubs to Bellande whilst the hand was still going on, SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! such a prick.

Must be having a bad day Phil, ft of  wsope 6 max.

http://www.pokernews.com/live-reporting/2011-world-series-of-poker-europe/event-1-six-handed-no-limit-hold-em/chips.14498.htm

sigh ul PH

hope he wins the poy but i dont think he deserves it tbh ben lamb has been a beast!

Omg at those hands!

Apols, was 2x 4 handed at the time. Hand leading up to the linked ones.

The quiet Azusa Maeda just raised to 18,000 from the under the gun position. Action got folded to Hellmuth who was in the big blind, and after counting down his chips numerous times he decided to raise to 54,000. "All-in," Maeda declared within a second and Hellmuth, who still had his headphones on, didn't realize this right away.
"He's all-in?," Hellmuth asked when the dealer pulled in his raise and after getting confirmation he decided to quietly fold.
Hellmuth is all the way down to 72,000 chips and in serious need of a double up.


That was @ 5/10k, presume the open was 20 not 18.

I can only guess he was trying to fold his way to a few more POY points. Is it that close?

He must have played well to get to another final tho right?

it wasnt even a deep run

wow

Lol. Alex posted him and Mitch had both made the final table £1k event at the palms this month........so did more than half the field.
I'm not ashamed to say I love Helmuth

+12  ;applause; ;applause;

Simply "The Man" great player,great for the game and great to watch.

Oioi hellmuth

Hellmuth still in the 10k HORSE. Number 13 baby

The other Phil still going strong too

Ivey and hellmuth still in with 9 left

Chip leaday 1/8

<3 the Hellmuth.

4th :(

Ivey 5th

Player of the Year so far...

1   John Monnette   524.25
2   Phil Ivey   494.70
3   Andrew Frankenberger    384.66
4   Phil Hellmuth   368.70

Bump for the legend. Leading player of the year- only Merson can catch him by winning the main

Wow

I love hellmuth sooo much

What a ledge

13! Didn't like 12 cos that isn't  in tier

i'm going back to playing like Hellmuth today.

i think he's great for the game ..when you see his falling on the floor antics , it's Hard to believe anyone can want bracelets as much as he does

mike the mouth, Brandon Cantu? It's amazing to see how all respect for themselves can go out of the window when that mist comes down. I would imagine that Phil ain't even done yet and there will be more braclets and even more tantrums.
I don't know if its in his game plan to be all pally pally with Sergi but once phil had been bent over a couple of times he started having a go at the Ukranian. That could have been in his game plan too but then again whoever knows what is going on with Phil

Phil knows what he is doin
he is the champ and the best player in the world!

HELLLLMUTH!

I wonder if he will go back to his old ways with the publicity stunts

I barely watch poker on TV anymore but love watching Phil so much I took yesterday afternoon off to watch the french HD stream (foxyproxy ftw) and watched til the end after getting back from the match. Was a complete masterclass.
Paying for it today.
White magic baby.

Just got home after busting out of a local donkament. Muffed by somebody who had been telling the whole table how he would gladly play Hellmuth at any stakes. This was in a £50 tournament.  rotflmfao

Hellmuth talks to Poker News after the  WSOPE

http://uk.pokernews.com/news/2012/10/phil-hellmuth-wins-13th-wsop-bracelet-says-he-s-playing-the-9274.htm

Our hero is going for number 14

CMON PHIL!

I can get my head down when it's just live updates, but I'm gonna have to rail this stream through until it's over.

link

http://www.wsop.com/2014/live-video/default.aspx?sr=&TID=13607


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Event #7: $1,500 Seven-Card Razz

Phil Hellmuth Eliminated in 2nd Place ($74,848)

Phil Hellmuth has been denied his fourteenth bracelet by Ted Forrest, who has captured his sixth gold bracelet and second in razz.

(http://pnimg.net/lrep/1855/53/bb61aff7eb5.jpg)

phil_hellmuth ‏@phil_hellmuth 2h

Congrats to my old friend Ted Forrest on winning #WSOPRazz tourn. If I had to lose to someone, I'm glad it was Teddy....2nd place for me

Enjoyed Hellmuths frustration with Canto earlier at the final table. Hope he gets 14.

Hellmuth charging fans $16,700 to have dinner with him http://t.co/BXh2AIn1yK

At it again. 6/14 in the 1500 6max. Geezer's incred! Go Hellmuth!

It's the 3k 6max- go Philly!

"Crazy Frenchman is Going to Cost Me My 14th Bracelet"
Posted 40 minutes ago Chad_Holloway • Level 24: 10,000-20,000, 3,000 ante SHARE

After Phil Hellmuth raised from the hijack and Davidi Kitai called from the cutoff, the flop came down {k-Spades}{2-Clubs}{3-Hearts} and things got interesting. Hellmuth checked, Kitai bet 48,000, and Hellmuth quickly check-raised to 100,000. Kitai pushed back with a three-bet to 155,000, and Hellmuth shot out of his chair in disbelief.

"Crazy Frenchman is going to cost me my 14th bracelet," Hellmuth said before folding. "You have no chance to win sir."

Someone at the table then asked Kitai if he had ever won a tournament, knowing full well he was a Triple Crown winner. Hellmuth was oblivious to that fact though as he interrupted, "Of course he's never won a tournament before."

Davidi Kitai   BE      1,750,000   350,000
Phil Hellmuth   US      240,000   -350,000

Posted from http://uk.pokernews.com/live-reporting/2014-wsop/event-15/

Classy

Mr. Hellmuth finished in 8th place.

beast.

<3

Saw him in the rio corridor last night must be just after he bust ? Couple  flunkies around him..wanted to ask for a photo but swerved... Anyway he might have done himself a mischief stooping down to my level .. His blinking massive !

absolute sicko

Heart