Dear previous posters

A friendly reminder that rudeness will not be tolerated in this thread. Sort it out please.

Regards

C

Even if Ivey had noticed the flaw and taken advantage... so what? Casinos fault for putting on the game surely.

Unless they're about to contact everyone who had played and lost when there were imperfect cards and offer them refunds then I don't see how they've got a leg to stand on.

True, they should pay up for this reason. I still question Ivey's morals though. It's pretty close to stealing.

Sorry could either of you explain a) who should get refunds and b) why should they get refunds?

Well, if the casinos argument is "the cards were marked therefore the game wasn't fair so we're not paying out" then surely they should also be refunding the losses of anyone who played in this "unfair game"?

Do you actually know the rules of Punto?

Only vaguely. Not a game I play.

well the rank of the card could be written on their backs in fluorescent green and the punter wouldn't be disadvantaged in any way.

Yeah, but if they're going to withhold winnings then it essentially means they're freerolling. Keep the money if they win, make money anyway if they don't.

Even if Ivey had noticed the flaw and taken advantage... so what? Casinos fault for putting on the game surely.

Unless they're about to contact everyone who had played and lost when there were imperfect cards and offer them refunds then I don't see how they've got a leg to stand on.

True, they should pay up for this reason. I still question Ivey's morals though. It's pretty close to stealing.

Sorry could either of you explain a) who should get refunds and b) why should they get refunds?

Well, if the casinos argument is "the cards were marked therefore the game wasn't fair so we're not paying out" then surely they should also be refunding the losses of anyone who played in this "unfair game"?

Do you actually know the rules of Punto?

Only vaguely. Not a game I play.

Even if Ivey had noticed the flaw and taken advantage... so what? Casinos fault for putting on the game surely.

Unless they're about to contact everyone who had played and lost when there were imperfect cards and offer them refunds then I don't see how they've got a leg to stand on.

True, they should pay up for this reason. I still question Ivey's morals though. It's pretty close to stealing.

Sorry could either of you explain a) who should get refunds and b) why should they get refunds?

Well, if the casinos argument is "the cards were marked therefore the game wasn't fair so we're not paying out" then surely they should also be refunding the losses of anyone who played in this "unfair game"?

Even if Ivey had noticed the flaw and taken advantage... so what? Casinos fault for putting on the game surely.

Unless they're about to contact everyone who had played and lost when there were imperfect cards and offer them refunds then I don't see how they've got a leg to stand on.

True, they should pay up for this reason. I still question Ivey's morals though. It's pretty close to stealing.

More so than when a bad player sits down in a cash game?

As far as I can tell the casino were offering him a game where he had an edge (if all this is true of course) and he took it.

Here is what a showdown rule should look like

Showdown
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At showdown a player may show his hand to claim the pot or fold his hand and forfeit a claim to the pot. If a player elects to fold then his hand is dead.

Showdown is done in turn in a clockwise direction starting with the last person to perform aggressive action during the hand.

If at showdown there is only one player left with a live hand then they do not have to show their cards to claim the pot as they win it by virtue of being the last player standing.

Players may not request to see a folded hand. Players may however request for the floor to look at a folded hand if they believe there is a reason to do so.

Last aggressor should be showing first irrespective of which street the last aggression came from.

Rule 11 is obviously daft. I can't believe that actually made it in there. I wouldn't blame anyone for getting up to it and thinking "wtf is this?" and dismissing the whole thing.

I don't like the showdown rule either.

I do think it is a good idea in principle. I'm also not totally against having local variations. That said, with the exception of rules that may have legal reasons I'm not sure why some local variations should exist. e.g. the phones rule and showdown rule should just be correct in the first place so venues don't have to alter them.

Even if Ivey had noticed the flaw and taken advantage... so what? Casinos fault for putting on the game surely.

Unless they're about to contact everyone who had played and lost when there were imperfect cards and offer them refunds then I don't see how they've got a leg to stand on.

Word is he's staying

Dubai - What is your method for cooking a curry? Pretty much got my method nailed down but always interested to hear how others do it.

Havent really nailed a decent curry other than one using coconut milk which is cheating really. They always taste decent but nothing wow about it and defo wouldn't serve it to be people to show off

Wanna hear ur method now..

Bits change about depending on exactly what I'm trying to achieve.

My favourite meat is chicken, and despite liking chicken leg more than breast I do prefer to use chicken breast for a curry. As long as you cook it right then there's no danger of it drying out.

The basic process is:

- Marinate chicken for as long as possible. As a basic marinade I'd go for yoghurt, garlic, lemon juice, turmeric, and chili powder.

- Make a paste of garlic and ginger (or cheat like I do and just buy a paste). Blend this with fresh tomatoes (type and quantity depending on what you're making).

- In a pan (don't use a wok obv) fry some finely chopped onions for about 5-10 minutes until going golden brown. Add the tomato (and optionally things such as chilis and curry leaves) and reduce on a high heat. This can take 15-20 minutes.

- Meanwhile prepare a spice mix. One of my favourite ingredients for a curry is fennel seeds.

- This step is optional but it's something I've found works well. At this point I put the chicken in the oven and cook at a very low heat. The idea is to get the chicken to the step of being lovely and moist in the middle and only just cooked.

- At this point the tomato should have reduced to a thick paste. Add the spice mix and a good splash of water. Reduce to a similar consistency. If you have the patience do this process a second time.

- Add the chicken. If you've done it in the oven just give it a stir around for a minute. If not you'll need to spend longer to get it properly sealed.

- Add water, bring to the boil, and then let it simmer on a very low heat for about 15 minutes.

- Add any salt, garam masala, lemon juice, etc, as you see fit.

- Serve

It's quite long winded but I find it gives a really nice result. Gonna make one tonight now I think about it

Dubai - What is your method for cooking a curry? Pretty much got my method nailed down but always interested to hear how others do it.

Who's still watching Game of Thrones?

This weeks episode was good in that it appears Daenerys remembers how to take her clothes off.

[(hopefully i dont need to teach you how to boil rice?!)]

simple chicken satay (serves 4)

2 Tablespoons of sesame oil

4 chicken breasts cut into thin strips

1 tin coconut milk

1 carton coconut cream

2 cloves garlic

chilli powder or pepper/chilli sauce to taste depending how hot you like it.

2 tablespoons of soy sauce

3-4 tablespoons of crunchy peanut butter


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mix all ingredients in a bowl except chicken/oil.

Heat up a saucepan to 3/4 max heat, and warm sesame oil til just before smoking then fry off the chicken until cooked.

Pour satay sauce over the chicken, turn heat down to a low, and leave to bubble away with chicken for approx 10 minutes.

Serve either with rice (hopefully i dont need to teach you how to boil rice?!) or even have a go at a simple naan recipe (or, scandalous as it may be, buy a ready made naan)

Not a fan of boiling rice!

Tonight I am cooking a tomato and red pepper soup.

I attach a picture, although there's not much to see... it's a soup! But I think it's a nice colour

Click to see full-size image.

Picture makes it look a bit more orange rather than red. And yes, my current flat has electric hobs. Can't wait to get back to having gas!

Favourite restaurant- Corner Cafe (this changes frequently)
Favourite chain restaurant- Nandos
Favourite cuisine- Indian
Favourite friday night takeaway- Not a fan of takeaway
Favourite lunchtime fast food- McDonalds
Guilty Pleasure- McDonalds
Death row order- Curry