Vegas & The Aftermath - Diary

[kinboshi]

I guess I'm the only one who really felt for Tiger in that Press Conf fiasco thing.

He looked & sounded like a totally broken & humbled man to me, & I felt for him. He's messed up, yes, we all have sometimes, but what must he be feeling at how badly he's messed up & how it's all turned out? But I always was a soft touch for a sob story I suppose. I just wanna see him play golf, especially in the Majors.

Parallel with Tiger's conference thing, the ex-porn-star Miss Daniels, keeping a low-profile, held a parallel press conference, & left jaws sagging at her "I would be open to an apology from him". I bet she would. He forced her into it, of course.

Overall, Tiger's tale at the rostrum achieved nothing much, in fact it seems to have made a bad situation worse. Those bastions of decent morals, the  press & TV waffflers, absolutely slaughtered him, they've really gone to town on him big style. I suppose it keeps the heat off Ashley Cole.

I just wanna see him play golf, so I suppose my views are simplistic, like Wormy's nephew really.

If anyone was into predictions, could they ever have predicted how Tiger's world could wholly implode so quickly & in such an unexpected way? His job, his career, his marriage, simultaneously shattered. There is a moral there somewhere, but I doubt many will see it.

And I still can't get my head round how he was doing these things left right & centre & nobody suspected it, rumoured it, not a whisper, anywhere. How was that possible?

Some tale that.

All our actions have consequences. What would have led him to think that sleeping with women other than his wife would be ok? His belief that he would get away with it? As one of the most recognisable figures around I'm surprised he's managed to get away with so many women over such a long period of time.

No doubt like Ashley Cole, John Terry and Bill Clinton his close aides were aware but please, for goodness sake, none of them could ever have thought they would never be found out? So why do it? Shows complete lack of respect, love and regard for their wives, and imo they deserve everything they get.

Bring back morals, fidelity and family imo. Don't feel sorry for him Tikay - everyone is allowed to make a mistake for sure - but this wasn't a drunken one off which would have been bad enough - this is a series of affairs where he planned the liasons and paid women to keep silent.

Just don't get me started!

So what, its between him and his family not the whole world.

Get Tiger back on the course plz!

Exactly.

Tiger has only to explain himself to his wife and anyone involved.

Why should he have to stand up infront of the whole world and make an embarrassment of himself?

The whole world except for his wife.

The press conference apology thing was a bit pathetic and not sure what it was meant to achieve. 

[Dingdell]

I guess I'm the only one who really felt for Tiger in that Press Conf fiasco thing.

He looked & sounded like a totally broken & humbled man to me, & I felt for him. He's messed up, yes, we all have sometimes, but what must he be feeling at how badly he's messed up & how it's all turned out? But I always was a soft touch for a sob story I suppose. I just wanna see him play golf, especially in the Majors.

Parallel with Tiger's conference thing, the ex-porn-star Miss Daniels, keeping a low-profile, held a parallel press conference, & left jaws sagging at her "I would be open to an apology from him". I bet she would. He forced her into it, of course.

Overall, Tiger's tale at the rostrum achieved nothing much, in fact it seems to have made a bad situation worse. Those bastions of decent morals, the  press & TV waffflers, absolutely slaughtered him, they've really gone to town on him big style. I suppose it keeps the heat off Ashley Cole.

I just wanna see him play golf, so I suppose my views are simplistic, like Wormy's nephew really.

If anyone was into predictions, could they ever have predicted how Tiger's world could wholly implode so quickly & in such an unexpected way? His job, his career, his marriage, simultaneously shattered. There is a moral there somewhere, but I doubt many will see it.

And I still can't get my head round how he was doing these things left right & centre & nobody suspected it, rumoured it, not a whisper, anywhere. How was that possible?

Some tale that.

All our actions have consequences. What would have led him to think that sleeping with women other than his wife would be ok? His belief that he would get away with it? As one of the most recognisable figures around I'm surprised he's managed to get away with so many women over such a long period of time.

No doubt like Ashley Cole, John Terry and Bill Clinton his close aides were aware but please, for goodness sake, none of them could ever have thought they would never be found out? So why do it? Shows complete lack of respect, love and regard for their wives, and imo they deserve everything they get.

Bring back morals, fidelity and family imo. Don't feel sorry for him Tikay - everyone is allowed to make a mistake for sure - but this wasn't a drunken one off which would have been bad enough - this is a series of affairs where he planned the liasons and paid women to keep silent.

Just don't get me started!

So what, its between him and his family not the whole world.

Get Tiger back on the course plz!

Exactly.

Tiger has only to explain himself to his wife and anyone involved.

Why should he have to stand up infront of the whole world and make an embarrassment of himself?

He chose to stand up and defend himself didn't he - I haven't heard of anyone making him talk publicly about it as fas as I know. That was his choice, probably do save his commercial contracts as well as his moral one with his wife.

But as a public figure he must be aware that what he does in his private life will be examined and exposed by the tabloids  he knows that - yet he chose to put his marriage at risk.

All I'm saying is dont have sympathy for him, he doesn't deserve it.

[tikay]

I guess I'm the only one who really felt for Tiger in that Press Conf fiasco thing.

He looked & sounded like a totally broken & humbled man to me, & I felt for him. He's messed up, yes, we all have sometimes, but what must he be feeling at how badly he's messed up & how it's all turned out? But I always was a soft touch for a sob story I suppose. I just wanna see him play golf, especially in the Majors.

Parallel with Tiger's conference thing, the ex-porn-star Miss Daniels, keeping a low-profile, held a parallel press conference, & left jaws sagging at her "I would be open to an apology from him". I bet she would. He forced her into it, of course.

Overall, Tiger's tale at the rostrum achieved nothing much, in fact it seems to have made a bad situation worse. Those bastions of decent morals, the  press & TV waffflers, absolutely slaughtered him, they've really gone to town on him big style. I suppose it keeps the heat off Ashley Cole.

I just wanna see him play golf, so I suppose my views are simplistic, like Wormy's nephew really.

If anyone was into predictions, could they ever have predicted how Tiger's world could wholly implode so quickly & in such an unexpected way? His job, his career, his marriage, simultaneously shattered. There is a moral there somewhere, but I doubt many will see it.

And I still can't get my head round how he was doing these things left right & centre & nobody suspected it, rumoured it, not a whisper, anywhere. How was that possible?

Some tale that.

All our actions have consequences. What would have led him to think that sleeping with women other than his wife would be ok? His belief that he would get away with it? As one of the most recognisable figures around I'm surprised he's managed to get away with so many women over such a long period of time.

No doubt like Ashley Cole, John Terry and Bill Clinton his close aides were aware but please, for goodness sake, none of them could ever have thought they would never be found out? So why do it? Shows complete lack of respect, love and regard for their wives, and imo they deserve everything they get.

Bring back morals, fidelity and family imo. Don't feel sorry for him Tikay - everyone is allowed to make a mistake for sure - but this wasn't a drunken one off which would have been bad enough - this is a series of affairs where he planned the liasons and paid women to keep silent.

Just don't get me started!

So what, its between him and his family not the whole world.

Get Tiger back on the course plz!

Exactly.

Tiger has only to explain himself to his wife and anyone involved.

Why should he have to stand up infront of the whole world and make an embarrassment of himself?

He chose to stand up and defend himself didn't he - I haven't heard of anyone making him talk publicly about it as fas as I know. That was his choice, probably do save his commercial contracts as well as his moral one with his wife.

But as a public figure he must be aware that what he does in his private life will be examined and exposed by the tabloids  he knows that - yet he chose to put his marriage at risk.

All I'm saying is dont have sympathy for him, he doesn't deserve it.

No - he diid not. He did not defend himself at all. He said (& may well not have been sincere), "I messed up, I really really messed up bad, I'm sorry now, it was my own fault completely, success went to my head & I made a right mess of things".

Forget the motives, that is what he said. He NEVER defended his actions at all. Nor do I, he was wrong wrong wrong.

But I'd rather like, selfish as it may be, to watch the greatest golfer the world has ever seen. And that's being denied to me now. Just as Piggott denied me the exquisite pleasure of watching him because he messed up, as did Alex Higgins, & George Best, & Gazza, & Botham, & so many other "flawed geniuses".

Mr Woods private life does not really interest me tbh, (though the story about the story fascinates) except, in the little ideal world in which I live, I'd prefer men not to cheat on their husbands. But my little private world also wants to watch Tiger play the Masters - above almost any sporting event I can think of. And he won't play it this year. And in fact I may never see him play the Masters again.

I'm not sure I have sympathy for him as such. It's a mind-boggling tale of self-implosion, you surely can see that? Psychologicaly, I find that intriguing & fascinating.

[MANTIS01]

This sex addiction thing is an interesting development over recent years though. I reckon every single man in the world could potentially suffer from this condition. Me and all my friends are plagued with this affliction. So I don't know how the doctors arrive at a diagnosis let alone a course of treatment. "Right Mr. Woods, so you're a multi-millionaire world famous sportsman, you can batter anyone at golf, you want for nothing, there is a queue of beautiful women waiting to have sex with you. And you had sex with some of them. I'm afraid this is the worst case of toastylifeitis I've ever seen. There is no cure. The only thing you can do to ease the pain is to hold a press conference and look very sad.

[tikay]

This sex addiction thing is an interesting development over recent years though. I reckon every single man in the world could potentially suffer from this condition. Me and all my friends are plagued with this affliction. So I don't know how the doctors arrive at a diagnosis let alone a course of treatment. "Right Mr. Woods, so you're a multi-millionaire world famous sportsman, you can batter anyone at golf, you want for nothing, there is a queue of beautiful women waiting to have sex with you. And you had sex with some of them. I'm afraid this is the worst case of toastylifeitis I've ever seen. There is no cure. The only thing you can do to ease the pain is to hold a press conference and look very sad.

Lol yes, now that I do buy.

Everyone comes up with some ridiculious reason why they went off-track. Usually it's "I had a bad upbringing, my parents abused me" (utter bollox), "I was bullied at school", or some equally trite nonsense.

Nodody is ever to blame now.

Ashley Cole, as bang to rights as it's possible to be, claims he is being "victimised" because John Terry was treated better by CFC.

There's nothing terrible about going off the tracks (surely most of us have at some time, in some way?) - it's being able to say "it was my fault, & mine alone" that seperates the men from the boys.

[Claw75]

Everyone comes up with some ridiculious reason why they went off-track. Usually it's "I had a bad upbringing, my parents abused me" (utter bollox), "I was bullied at school", or some equally trite nonsense.

we've had this discussion before and I know it's something you'll never change you view on. However, just because some people manage to get through adversity during their formative years relatively unscathed, such issues can lead to personality disorders/mental health issues in some (perhaps those that are more genetically predisposed), symptoms of which may well include actions that are completely out of character and, on occasion, uncontrollable. Believe me, there is nothing scarier than not having control over your actions.

[tikay]

Everyone comes up with some ridiculious reason why they went off-track. Usually it's "I had a bad upbringing, my parents abused me" (utter bollox), "I was bullied at school", or some equally trite nonsense.

we've had this discussion before and I know it's something you'll never change you view on. However, just because some people manage to get through adversity during their formative years relatively unscathed, such issues can lead to personality disorders/mental health issues in some (perhaps those that are more genetically predisposed), symptoms of which may well include actions that are completely out of character and, on occasion, uncontrollable. Believe me, there is nothing scarier than not having control over your actions.

I agree - "can" is the operative word there, not "will always".

But this is getting away from where I am trying to go - I believe people should be able to be accountable to themselves - or ourselves, "myself" if you like - when we mess up. You don't HAVE to find a scapegoat. It CAN be our own fault. Not every wrong road in life is someone else's fault.

[wormster]

This sex addiction thing is an interesting development over recent years though. I reckon every single man in the world could potentially suffer from this condition. Me and all my friends are plagued with this affliction. So I don't know how the doctors arrive at a diagnosis let alone a course of treatment. "Right Mr. Woods, so you're a multi-millionaire world famous sportsman, you can batter anyone at golf, you want for nothing, there is a queue of beautiful women waiting to have sex with you. And you had sex with some of them. I'm afraid this is the worst case of toastylifeitis I've ever seen. There is no cure. The only thing you can do to ease the pain is to hold a press conference and look very sad.

I've always wondered how the doctors "ween" sex addicts off their addiction. I mean, alcoholics & druggies don't go cold turkey straight away in rehab, do they? Maybe in sex addiction clinics the nurses slowly get uglier & fatter as the treatment goes on?

As for how Tiger got away with sleeping with all of those women, that's sort of simple. He did what other major sports stars / celebrities / politicians do, he surrounded himself with a close-nit team of people that squash any story before it can come out. Believe me, his caddie Steve Williams would've known as would've his former coach Butch Harmon (who lives in Vegas). And the journalists would have known as well, or at least had a good idea of what he was doing. But they couldn't print anything until he stuffed up - ie the police being called to investigate his "car crash". How quickly, after the crash, did the press find all of those women he had slept with?

I used to work on some of the major golf tourney in the US just as Tiger was coming to the forefront. It was obvious then that, despite being the best golfer we have ever seen (even the other pros wanted to see him hit a golf ball) he was a typical bloke. He likes a beer, a bet & has an eye for the ladies. The one thing he shouldn't have done was get married!

[Claw75]

Everyone comes up with some ridiculious reason why they went off-track. Usually it's "I had a bad upbringing, my parents abused me" (utter bollox), "I was bullied at school", or some equally trite nonsense.

we've had this discussion before and I know it's something you'll never change you view on. However, just because some people manage to get through adversity during their formative years relatively unscathed, such issues can lead to personality disorders/mental health issues in some (perhaps those that are more genetically predisposed), symptoms of which may well include actions that are completely out of character and, on occasion, uncontrollable. Believe me, there is nothing scarier than not having control over your actions.

I agree - "can" is the operative word there, not "will always".

But this is getting away from where I am trying to go - I believe people should be able to be accountable to themselves - or ourselves, "myself" if you like - when we mess up. You don't HAVE to find a scapegoat. It CAN be our own fault. Not every wrong road in life is someone else's fault.

agree. I misconstrued the 'utter bollox' comment I suppose......

I would say though I don't personally see people recognising that past experiences have affeced them in a way that makes them act other than they would like to be 'blaming someone else'

[tikay]

Everyone comes up with some ridiculious reason why they went off-track. Usually it's "I had a bad upbringing, my parents abused me" (utter bollox), "I was bullied at school", or some equally trite nonsense.

we've had this discussion before and I know it's something you'll never change you view on. However, just because some people manage to get through adversity during their formative years relatively unscathed, such issues can lead to personality disorders/mental health issues in some (perhaps those that are more genetically predisposed), symptoms of which may well include actions that are completely out of character and, on occasion, uncontrollable. Believe me, there is nothing scarier than not having control over your actions.

I agree - "can" is the operative word there, not "will always".

But this is getting away from where I am trying to go - I believe people should be able to be accountable to themselves - or ourselves, "myself" if you like - when we mess up. You don't HAVE to find a scapegoat. It CAN be our own fault. Not every wrong road in life is someone else's fault.

agree. I misconstrued the 'utter bollox' comment I suppose......

I would say though I don't personally see people recognising that past experiences have affeced them in a way that makes them act other than they would like to be 'blaming someone else'

In some cases, yes.

[bobby1]

Everyone comes up with some ridiculious reason why they went off-track. Usually it's "I had a bad upbringing, my parents abused me" (utter bollox), "I was bullied at school", or some equally trite nonsense.

we've had this discussion before and I know it's something you'll never change you view on. However, just because some people manage to get through adversity during their formative years relatively unscathed, such issues can lead to personality disorders/mental health issues in some (perhaps those that are more genetically predisposed), symptoms of which may well include actions that are completely out of character and, on occasion, uncontrollable. Believe me, there is nothing scarier than not having control over your actions.

I agree - "can" is the operative word there, not "will always".

But this is getting away from where I am trying to go - I believe people should be able to be accountable to themselves - or ourselves, "myself" if you like - when we mess up. You don't HAVE to find a scapegoat. It CAN be our own fault. Not every wrong road in life is someone else's fault.

Last night i reraised the chip leader all in with 7 left in a decent comp($11k) with jj only to find he had QQ and got knocked out, i blame the poker gods, the software my bad luck etc etc but the truth is i could have passed and not tried to outmanouvre him. That was solely my fault.

The thing is I feel better because I can blame myself for that, sometimes it helps to know you were at fault and not just look for other things to blame

OK, Claw is talking life in general and Im talkking about a silly game of cards but if you can help yourself by aportioning blame to you when things go wrong then it probably helps to maintain a good place upstairs. Maybe thats why Tiger needed to do what he did, comng out and talking of accepting the blame and wanting to change will surely help him to change, so that process is good for him, it doesnt matter what we think about it if that is the case does it?

[Claw75]

Everyone comes up with some ridiculious reason why they went off-track. Usually it's "I had a bad upbringing, my parents abused me" (utter bollox), "I was bullied at school", or some equally trite nonsense.

we've had this discussion before and I know it's something you'll never change you view on. However, just because some people manage to get through adversity during their formative years relatively unscathed, such issues can lead to personality disorders/mental health issues in some (perhaps those that are more genetically predisposed), symptoms of which may well include actions that are completely out of character and, on occasion, uncontrollable. Believe me, there is nothing scarier than not having control over your actions.

I agree - "can" is the operative word there, not "will always".

But this is getting away from where I am trying to go - I believe people should be able to be accountable to themselves - or ourselves, "myself" if you like - when we mess up. You don't HAVE to find a scapegoat. It CAN be our own fault. Not every wrong road in life is someone else's fault.

agree. I misconstrued the 'utter bollox' comment I suppose......

I would say though I don't personally see people recognising that past experiences have affeced them in a way that makes them act other than they would like to be 'blaming someone else'

In some cases, yes.

indeed. now we can agree

[tikay]

Everyone comes up with some ridiculious reason why they went off-track. Usually it's "I had a bad upbringing, my parents abused me" (utter bollox), "I was bullied at school", or some equally trite nonsense.

we've had this discussion before and I know it's something you'll never change you view on. However, just because some people manage to get through adversity during their formative years relatively unscathed, such issues can lead to personality disorders/mental health issues in some (perhaps those that are more genetically predisposed), symptoms of which may well include actions that are completely out of character and, on occasion, uncontrollable. Believe me, there is nothing scarier than not having control over your actions.

I agree - "can" is the operative word there, not "will always".

But this is getting away from where I am trying to go - I believe people should be able to be accountable to themselves - or ourselves, "myself" if you like - when we mess up. You don't HAVE to find a scapegoat. It CAN be our own fault. Not every wrong road in life is someone else's fault.

Last night i reraised the chip leader all in with 7 left in a decent comp($11k) with jj only to find he had QQ and got knocked out, i blame the poker gods, the software my bad luck etc etc but the truth is i could have passed and not tried to outmanouvre him. That was solely my fault.

The thing is I feel better because I can blame myself for that, sometimes it helps to know you were at fault and not just look for other things to blame

OK, Claw is talking life in general and Im talkking about a silly game of cards but if you can help yourself by aportioning blame to you when things go wrong then it probably helps to maintain a good place upstairs. Maybe thats why Tiger needed to do what he did, comng out and talking of accepting the blame and wanting to change will surely help him to change, so that process is good for him, it doesnt matter what we think about it if that is the case does it?

Niot one iota.

[MANTIS01]

This sex addiction thing is an interesting development over recent years though. I reckon every single man in the world could potentially suffer from this condition. Me and all my friends are plagued with this affliction. So I don't know how the doctors arrive at a diagnosis let alone a course of treatment. "Right Mr. Woods, so you're a multi-millionaire world famous sportsman, you can batter anyone at golf, you want for nothing, there is a queue of beautiful women waiting to have sex with you. And you had sex with some of them. I'm afraid this is the worst case of toastylifeitis I've ever seen. There is no cure. The only thing you can do to ease the pain is to hold a press conference and look very sad.

I've always wondered how the doctors "ween" sex addicts off their addiction. I mean, alcoholics & druggies don't go cold turkey straight away in rehab, do they? Maybe in sex addiction clinics the nurses slowly get uglier & fatter as the treatment goes on?

As for how Tiger got away with sleeping with all of those women, that's sort of simple. He did what other major sports stars / celebrities / politicians do, he surrounded himself with a close-nit team of people that squash any story before it can come out. Believe me, his caddie Steve Williams would've known as would've his former coach Butch Harmon (who lives in Vegas). And the journalists would have known as well, or at least had a good idea of what he was doing. But they couldn't print anything until he stuffed up - ie the police being called to investigate his "car crash". How quickly, after the crash, did the press find all of those women he had slept with?

I used to work on some of the major golf tourney in the US just as Tiger was coming to the forefront. It was obvious then that, despite being the best golfer we have ever seen (even the other pros wanted to see him hit a golf ball) he was a typical bloke. He likes a beer, a bet & has an eye for the ladies. The one thing he shouldn't have done was get married!

Yes, how to "ween" the sex addict off his drug of choice is certainly a dilemma for the medical fraternity. Maybe old-school discipline would work here. Back in the day when Dad's used to catch their kids smoking they would lock them in a cupboard under the stairs with 20 Benson & Hedges and make them smoke the whole pack until they felt sick. By that logic Tiger should be locked in a hotel room with The Pussycat Dolls until he sees the error of his ways.

[Dingdell]

This sex addiction thing is an interesting development over recent years though. I reckon every single man in the world could potentially suffer from this condition. Me and all my friends are plagued with this affliction. So I don't know how the doctors arrive at a diagnosis let alone a course of treatment. "Right Mr. Woods, so you're a multi-millionaire world famous sportsman, you can batter anyone at golf, you want for nothing, there is a queue of beautiful women waiting to have sex with you. And you had sex with some of them. I'm afraid this is the worst case of toastylifeitis I've ever seen. There is no cure. The only thing you can do to ease the pain is to hold a press conference and look very sad.

I doubt that. Sex addiciton is so intense that the need to have sex with anyone, including unprotected sex with a stranger or a prostitute, is forefront in the mind so much that you will risk anything. Having sex with a stranger at your daughters wedding would be ok, as would having sex with a prostitute in the room next door to the room your wife is sleeping in, while on holiday. You will go to immense risks to feed your need for sex, and like gambling addicition it's not always that fun.

I know everyone thinks its a laugh but actually it can be very destructive. It's an addicition after all.

As for cures - there isn't one - once an alcoholic always an alcoholic - it's the same. There are the 7 steps programmes, abstension is the ideal method, but in reality it's a real issue, which some pople use to excuse their occasional affairs. It's not the same thing.