Tips for Tikay

[tikay]

Are these Betfair issues not another reason to have a Betdaq account?

Yup.

I promised to open one earlier this week, but just been too busy.

I'm poo at doing things like that, too.

Am pokering at mo, will try & do it when I'm finished, or early doors in the morning.

Good nudge.

[claypole]

before i do so, any preferences from that long list above please pipe up

I am a bit of a fanboy - and its against threads view of giving our info; however I think Steve Palmer is the nuts and his write up today on Matsuyama was compelling, (in the post) - so if Doobs is saying that has 1 20% +EV edge those two combined factors make it good enough for me - even with the lay off

[claypole]

Are these Betfair issues not another reason to have a Betdaq account?

Yup.

I promised to open one earlier this week, but just been too busy.

I'm poo at doing things like that, too.

Am pokering at mo, will try & do it when I'm finished, or early doors in the morning.

Good nudge.

Tony - you know you can use a Ladbrokes account now my moving money in the wallet and its effectively Betdaq liquidity - its just a skin - if you can't be arsed to set an account up

[tikay]

Are these Betfair issues not another reason to have a Betdaq account?

Yup.

I promised to open one earlier this week, but just been too busy.

I'm poo at doing things like that, too.

Am pokering at mo, will try & do it when I'm finished, or early doors in the morning.

Good nudge.

Tony - you know you can use a Ladbrokes account now my moving money in the wallet and its effectively Betdaq liquidity - its just a skin - if you can't be arsed to set an account up

So I could simply transfer money across from my existing Ladbrokes account via the Wallet?

It comes to exactly the same thing?

[BigAdz]

In the 3 ball bets, doesn't Furyk at 10/11 against Darren Clarke and Tom Watson look value?

I'd appreciate other views.

Without a shadow the best of the three, but caution with Clarke putting up a good early showing last week and Watson has started fast in so many Opens I have lost count. At the end of the week I have no doubt Furyk will do best, but first round....nothing would surprise me.

[doubleup]

alphabetically ordered by first name players teeing off before 11am

Angel Cabrera
Anirban Lahiri
Ashley Chesters
Ben Curtis
Ben Martin
Bernd Wiesberger
Bradley Neil
Branden Grace
Brett Rumford
Brian Harman
Brooks Koepka
Cameron Tringale
Charl Schwartzel
Chris Wood
Darren Clarke
David Duval
David Hearn
David Howell
Dawie Van Der Walt
Dustin Johnson
Edoardo Molinari
Erik Compton
Francesco Molinari
Freddie Jacobson
Graeme McDowell
Harris English
Henrik Stenson
Hideki Matsuyama
Hunter Mahan
Hyung-Sung Kim
Hyung-Tae Kim
Ian Poulter
Jim Furyk
Jimmy Walker
John Singleton
Jordan Spieth
Justin Leonard
Juvic Pagunsan
K.J. Choi
Kiradech Aphibarnrat
Koumei Oda
Kristoffer Broberg
Louis Oosthuizen
Luke Donald
Marc Leishman
Marc Warren
Masanori Kobayashi
Matt Every
Matt Jones
Matt Kuchar
Matteo Manassero
Mikko Ilonen
Nick Faldo
Padraig Harrington
Patrick Reed
Paul Casey
Paul Lawrie
Paul McKechnie
Peter Uihlein
Rhein Gibson
Rickie Fowler
Robert Karlsson
Rory McIlroy
Ryan Moore
Ryan Palmer
Sergio Garcia
Stephen Gallacher
Stewart Cink
Thomas Bjorn
Thorbjorn Olesen
Tiger Woods
Todd Hamilton
Tom Watson
Tomohiro Kondo
Victor Dubuisson

[BigAdz]

Are these Betfair issues not another reason to have a Betdaq account?

Yup.

I promised to open one earlier this week, but just been too busy.

I'm poo at doing things like that, too.

Am pokering at mo, will try & do it when I'm finished, or early doors in the morning.

Good nudge.

Tony - you know you can use a Ladbrokes account now my moving money in the wallet and its effectively Betdaq liquidity - its just a skin - if you can't be arsed to set an account up

Sorry claypole, I tend to work backwards and only noticed your earlier nudge after i posted.

[claypole]

Are these Betfair issues not another reason to have a Betdaq account?

Yup.

I promised to open one earlier this week, but just been too busy.

I'm poo at doing things like that, too.

Am pokering at mo, will try & do it when I'm finished, or early doors in the morning.

Good nudge.

Tony - you know you can use a Ladbrokes account now my moving money in the wallet and its effectively Betdaq liquidity - its just a skin - if you can't be arsed to set an account up

So I could simply transfer money across from my existing Ladbrokes account via the Wallet?

It comes to exactly the same thing?

Yes mate - Ladbrokes Exchange is Betdaq - just get someone on here to confirm no commission differences but cant imagine there would be

So, move money from "Sportsbook" to "Exchange" and your away, click on links to Exchange from Laddies home page

[claypole]

Are these Betfair issues not another reason to have a Betdaq account?

Yup.

I promised to open one earlier this week, but just been too busy.

I'm poo at doing things like that, too.

Am pokering at mo, will try & do it when I'm finished, or early doors in the morning.

Good nudge.

Tony - you know you can use a Ladbrokes account now my moving money in the wallet and its effectively Betdaq liquidity - its just a skin - if you can't be arsed to set an account up

Sorry claypole, I tend to work backwards and only noticed your earlier nudge after i posted.

Everybody being terribly polite today Adz - obviously no worries at all.  Liquidity always good there as you say for gold - well better than other sports compared with BF

[doubleup]

Are these Betfair issues not another reason to have a Betdaq account?

Yup.

I promised to open one earlier this week, but just been too busy.

I'm poo at doing things like that, too.

Am pokering at mo, will try & do it when I'm finished, or early doors in the morning.

Good nudge.

Tony - you know you can use a Ladbrokes account now my moving money in the wallet and its effectively Betdaq liquidity - its just a skin - if you can't be arsed to set an account up

So I could simply transfer money across from my existing Ladbrokes account via the Wallet?

It comes to exactly the same thing?

Yes mate - Ladbrokes Exchange is Betdaq - just get someone on here to confirm no commission differences but cant imagine there would be

So, move money from "Sportsbook" to "Exchange" and your away, click on links to Exchange from Laddies home page

You get  eg commission free period for new Daq account

[BigAdz]

LOL, having worked my way through some of the stuff yesterday, I thought I best keep things polite mate. If I had said what I wanted to say, I would only get another ban.

[claypole]

Yep - free £30 bet with laddies exchange so no harm doing both

[Karabiner]

LOL, having worked my way through some of the stuff yesterday, I thought I best keep things polite mate. If I had said what I wanted to say, I would only get another ban.

With great age comes great wisdom.

Welcome home Adzy.

[McGlashan]

Pinnaclesports

I have seen a few posts on here regarding Pinnacle Sportsbook with some questions and I thought it might be a good idea to address some of those and help people understand them a bit better.

Firstly I do not work for Pinnacle although on Bettingemporium.com we do have an affiliate deal. I am not going to post that link here though, that is not the reason for this post.

I get the impression that many people lump all sports books into one big pot and most people here are using to dealing with the UK high street firms. Pinnacle is a very different animal altogether.

Pinnacle bet to much smaller margins than most firms a lot of you will be used to. On a pick'em most UK firms bet 10/11 each of two (104.8% book), some even bet 5/6 each of two (109.1%). Pinnaccle typically bet to about 102%. So every time you back a winner with them you win more money.


Chargebacks are always a problem with online gambling (just ask Tikay about Aqua and the Blonde cardroom). If a firm can reduce this cost they can save money and become more competitive. The way that Pinnacle do this is to make sure that you are who you say you are. So when you open your account they ask you up front for scanned docs. Sure this is a hassle that you would rather not have but you only have to do it once and because everyone does it here Pinnacle don't have to make that extra bit of money in their margins. By sending in those docs YOU make more money.

One of the biggest costs for an online firm taking bets is the cost of processing money. If you use a UK VISA debit card to deposit £1000 with one of the big UK firms their processing cost, to the best of my knowledge, is about a flat 25p. Pinnacle get charged a percentage rather than a fixed amount and this is typically 4% of the deposit amount. It is a similar thing with taking money out.

Usually when you hear about Bwin charging for withdrawals and firms not just sending money back immediately, asking for ID or charging somehow everyone starts to worry about that firm and to dislike these things. I understand that.

You simply have to accept that Pinnacle is a totally different business model to all the UK high street firms.

When you deposit they don't want you to have one bet and withdraw immediately afterwards. It costs them money. It's not because they don't want you to withdraw, they just don't want to have to pay for it and lose money as a result.

As they are so often best price it makes sense to leave money on there.

You have the option, you can get paid £90 for a £100 winning bet and withdraw instantly everytime or get paid £95 for the same bet and not withdraw instantly. I know which I prefer. If you withdraw once a month they send the money by bank wire and my experience is that it typically takes about 2 days. There is no charge for that.

The other thing is that they won't close your account, they don't mind if you arb either.

Something that even some hardened sports bettors don't realise is that you can re-bet with Pinnacle. If you ask Ladbrokes for £550 at 10/11 and they lay you £220 that's it, no more action. If Pinnacle lay you £220 at 1.952 then they will either adjust the price a few ticks (or often leave it) and you can then bet the same amount again, and again and again. There is no real limit as there is with the UK firms.

On the World Cup final they had $1million limits on 1x2. In reality there was no limit. You could bet the million again and again and again.

I asked them some of the specific questions that I saw on here over the past week or so:

- They are getting a UKGC license and are in the final stages of processing everything.

- They are nothing to do with Canbet.

- They have a 5 time rollover requirement for withdrawals, however if a player wishes to withdraw sooner he may do so at a fee of 3%.

This last one seems to really bother some people and I can see why. If you get in the habit of using them though it doesn't matter in the slightest. If you are however someone that only bets on the World Cup final every four years then they are not really the firm for you.

It'd be really convenient to have a Pinny account. If they aren't best price on a football match then they are a close second.

Prices of tips put up frequently move, using Pinny would cut back on the time currently spent searching oddschecker and bookies websites trying to get on at the best price.  

[JoeBeevers]

Lots of brags going on ITT about having a Ladbrokes account. They closed mine after 20 years without telling me and they still have my picture on their website! ;-)

I wonder if I can use their exchange. I'll put that on my to-do list.