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« Reply #109710 on: December 01, 2015, 04:50:02 PM »

"Why are McLaren so optimistic for 2016?

Despite their worst season in living memory, and precious little tangible improvement through 2015, both Jenson Button and Fernando Alonso are adamant McLaren will be back among the frontrunners next season.

Alonso told Sky Sports F1 in October he is "100 per cent" confident McLaren "will be one of the top cars next year" while Button only agreed to stay with the team after being given a reassuring insight into their plans for 2016.

But Button also predicted McLaren would end 2015 with a race-winning car and team boss Ron Dennis famously - or infamously - described the Honda engine as a "piece of jewellery" prior to its debut.

One suggestion is that Button and Alonso are ramping up their predictions in order to raise pressure on Honda. But the onus is already on the Japanese firm to deliver for 2016 after their underperforming and unreliable V6 unit was primarily responsible for the team's woeful 2015. At the Italian GP, when McLaren were 2.5 seconds off Mercedes' pace, Alonso revealed the MP4-30 was only "two to three tenths" down through Monza's six corners with the remainder - over two seconds - lost on the straights.

Can Honda recover such a sizeable deficit? Possibly. It's believed their engine is saddled with a fundamental flaw, relating to the position and size of its compressor unit, which means it struggles to harvest enough 'recovered' energy for an entire lap. The design flaw is so deeply embedded, and the token system so restrictive, that Honda weren't able to apply a fix this season, but the reopening of the development cycle should provide ample opportunity.

"We've got 25 tokens allowed next year; we're talking a compressor change being three and a combustion chamber change three, there's still scope to effectively completely re-design the engine - well, not completely redesign it, but if you've badly messed up at this stage, you can still easily put it right," says Sky Sports F1's Mark Hughes.

A sudden leap forward in 2016 is therefore possible - but still requires a leap of faith to foresee. What's clear from the talk of Alonso taking a sabbatical next year is that a vast improvement has to be delivered for pre-season testing in February. For Alonso, the eights days of running in Barcelona really could be make or break."

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/10076269/will-the-f1-pecking-order-change-in-2016
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« Reply #109711 on: December 01, 2015, 06:25:30 PM »

So I've just received a phone-call with on offer from a sportsbook I use, place a £30 bet at more than evens and if it loses receive a free bet to the same value as the losing bet.

What's the correct +ev way to use this?

I would back something at a big price which is slightly under on betfair and lay it for a break even spot after commission.  Massively likely to get the free bet then at no cost to you.  Then use the free bet in the same manner and you have effectively been given £30 in cash for free whether it wins or loses if you like a no risk approach and just want to trouser £30 and have suitable funds to lay a 10/1 shot in bf for £300 liabability.  

If not then just have a bet for £30 which you were going to have anyway.  If it loses and you get a free bet make sure you use the free bet on a biggish price.  10/1 or bigger.  Don't back anything sub 10/1 with it. 



Cheers arbboy, so looking at City v Hull tonight, I can back the draw on that sportsbook for 5.5, so £30 on that returns £165. I can then lay the draw on the exchange at 5.9, a liability of £154.74 gives me a return of £184.74 (£30 profit).

So if it is a draw I've profited a shade over a tenner risk free, if it's not a draw then I've broke even but have got the £30 free bet, sound right?

The Sportsbook will return £150. You don't get back the £30 token when you win. If you did we'd be backing a short priced selection with a high win percentage.

Don't worry we've all had to have this explained to us at some point.
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« Reply #109712 on: December 01, 2015, 06:27:32 PM »

So I've just received a phone-call with on offer from a sportsbook I use, place a £30 bet at more than evens and if it loses receive a free bet to the same value as the losing bet.

What's the correct +ev way to use this?

I would back something at a big price which is slightly under on betfair and lay it for a break even spot after commission.  Massively likely to get the free bet then at no cost to you.  Then use the free bet in the same manner and you have effectively been given £30 in cash for free whether it wins or loses if you like a no risk approach and just want to trouser £30 and have suitable funds to lay a 10/1 shot in bf for £300 liabability.  

If not then just have a bet for £30 which you were going to have anyway.  If it loses and you get a free bet make sure you use the free bet on a biggish price.  10/1 or bigger.  Don't back anything sub 10/1 with it. 



Cheers arbboy, so looking at City v Hull tonight, I can back the draw on that sportsbook for 5.5, so £30 on that returns £165. I can then lay the draw on the exchange at 5.9, a liability of £154.74 gives me a return of £184.74 (£30 profit).

So if it is a draw I've profited a shade over a tenner risk free, if it's not a draw then I've broke even but have got the £30 free bet, sound right?

The Sportsbook will return £150. You don't get back the £30 token when you win. If you did we'd be backing a short priced selection with a high win percentage.

Don't worry we've all had to have this explained to us at some point.

The offer is bet £30 of your own money and if it loses then you get the free bet, so in this case I would get the money back I just wouldn't get the free bet afterwards.

Realise I've mangled the exchange side of it though as my liability would actually be £186.32 not £154.74.
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« Reply #109713 on: December 01, 2015, 06:40:02 PM »

MotorSport is now 6th on the list of most profitable sports. It will take a bit of work to catch the top five.

This WILL happen.

"Why are McLaren so optimistic for 2016?

Despite their worst season in living memory, and precious little tangible improvement through 2015, both Jenson Button and Fernando Alonso are adamant McLaren will be back among the frontrunners next season.

Alonso told Sky Sports F1 in October he is "100 per cent" confident McLaren "will be one of the top cars next year" while Button only agreed to stay with the team after being given a reassuring insight into their plans for 2016.

But Button also predicted McLaren would end 2015 with a race-winning car and team boss Ron Dennis famously - or infamously - described the Honda engine as a "piece of jewellery" prior to its debut.

One suggestion is that Button and Alonso are ramping up their predictions in order to raise pressure on Honda. But the onus is already on the Japanese firm to deliver for 2016 after their underperforming and unreliable V6 unit was primarily responsible for the team's woeful 2015. At the Italian GP, when McLaren were 2.5 seconds off Mercedes' pace, Alonso revealed the MP4-30 was only "two to three tenths" down through Monza's six corners with the remainder - over two seconds - lost on the straights.

Can Honda recover such a sizeable deficit? Possibly. It's believed their engine is saddled with a fundamental flaw, relating to the position and size of its compressor unit, which means it struggles to harvest enough 'recovered' energy for an entire lap. The design flaw is so deeply embedded, and the token system so restrictive, that Honda weren't able to apply a fix this season, but the reopening of the development cycle should provide ample opportunity.

"We've got 25 tokens allowed next year; we're talking a compressor change being three and a combustion chamber change three, there's still scope to effectively completely re-design the engine - well, not completely redesign it, but if you've badly messed up at this stage, you can still easily put it right," says Sky Sports F1's Mark Hughes.

A sudden leap forward in 2016 is therefore possible - but still requires a leap of faith to foresee. What's clear from the talk of Alonso taking a sabbatical next year is that a vast improvement has to be delivered for pre-season testing in February. For Alonso, the eights days of running in Barcelona really could be make or break."

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/10076269/will-the-f1-pecking-order-change-in-2016

I've heard Mark say this before, but I intensely disagree. There is a fair amount of scope to develop the engines with 25 tokens, but the usage of those tokens are restricted even further once a crash test has been passed, and this is usually done early/mid January. That's why McLaren will struggle to develop, lack of time! In addition, others have the same amount of tokens also - and they won't be standing still.
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« Reply #109714 on: December 01, 2015, 06:43:35 PM »

Not read most of the above as it's really long and my eyes hurt now after studying tomorrow night's Romford card for far too long!

It's live on Sky tomorrow night and it's the final of the Essex Vase, which we have Deanridge Pennys running in the final @20/1 top 4 ew. Good news is it being there, bad news is it's the outsider of the field in the final. It's running style gives us a good chance of scooping the EW terms though @ 5/1, and there is a small yet possible scenario that we cause a shock and win. (Very small!).

I have found 3 dogs that I fancy at prices that I like very much tomorrow, and cannot see how they won't be shorter come the off. I won't put a recc up as such as I read that accounts are bare but just thought i'd put them up for anyone interested as I have over the last couple of weeks.

Selection 1 : 7.11 Katies Piper 7/2

Only three bookies priced so far but I will be surprised if any of my selections are bigger in the morning elsewhere, however, if they are I will be going in again. Katies Piper flew round last week in 23.95 when heavily backed into Evs favourite. Tonight she faces a tougher task but is still no 7/2 shot for me. I've watched video on the 4 dog who moves rails almost immediately and the last time the 1 dog ran at Romford, it took a slight step to the right when wearing the blue vest. There is a lot of pace in this race but we stay straight to the bend and will have all the room we want. I can see money for this tomorrow and hopefully a good run. At the current prices T2 is a lay at 5/4, I think our SP should be about 9/4 tbh.

Selection 2 : 7.43 Oneco Sky 5/2

There are already discrepancies in the price here, with two bookies pricing up 7/4 and 2/1 whilst Paddy's go 5/2. The dog won trap to line last week and this week isn't really an upgrade in class. He has to win the race to the first bend and then I think he can stretch the lead and I only really think there is one dog that is a danger, in T1. Make this more of a 6/4 shot come SP.

Selection 3 : 833 Corrin Bob 9/2

Standout price from bet365 here, Bob has decent form round this track earlier in the year without necessarily winning too many. He has more recently however been in the form of his life. He is fresh off of the back of a Golden Collar win around Crayford, beating Swift Whirlwind in the final who he goes up against again tonight. He has a nice draw in 3 and after a tasty 2 bend trial there is no reason I can't see him leading the inside and hopefully going around infront at the bend. 9/2 is a big price for this dog and i'd make it nearer a 3/1 shot SP. I'll also be playing the 3x1 saver r/f/c here as the red is the only dog with a run behind it that could possibly get to it.


Anyone else fancy much?



Haha Matty. Put the same two up in the dog thread. Funny.
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« Reply #109715 on: December 01, 2015, 06:47:09 PM »

So I've just received a phone-call with on offer from a sportsbook I use, place a £30 bet at more than evens and if it loses receive a free bet to the same value as the losing bet.

What's the correct +ev way to use this?

I would back something at a big price which is slightly under on betfair and lay it for a break even spot after commission.  Massively likely to get the free bet then at no cost to you.  Then use the free bet in the same manner and you have effectively been given £30 in cash for free whether it wins or loses if you like a no risk approach and just want to trouser £30 and have suitable funds to lay a 10/1 shot in bf for £300 liabability.  

If not then just have a bet for £30 which you were going to have anyway.  If it loses and you get a free bet make sure you use the free bet on a biggish price.  10/1 or bigger.  Don't back anything sub 10/1 with it. 



Cheers arbboy, so looking at City v Hull tonight, I can back the draw on that sportsbook for 5.5, so £30 on that returns £165. I can then lay the draw on the exchange at 5.9, a liability of £154.74 gives me a return of £184.74 (£30 profit).

So if it is a draw I've profited a shade over a tenner risk free, if it's not a draw then I've broke even but have got the £30 free bet, sound right?

The Sportsbook will return £150. You don't get back the £30 token when you win. If you did we'd be backing a short priced selection with a high win percentage.

Don't worry we've all had to have this explained to us at some point.

The offer is bet £30 of your own money and if it loses then you get the free bet, so in this case I would get the money back I just wouldn't get the free bet afterwards.

Realise I've mangled the exchange side of it though as my liability would actually be £186.32 not £154.74.

My apologies for misreading that. There's been a lot more pages to catch up on than normal.
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« Reply #109716 on: December 01, 2015, 06:49:45 PM »

So I've just received a phone-call with on offer from a sportsbook I use, place a £30 bet at more than evens and if it loses receive a free bet to the same value as the losing bet.

What's the correct +ev way to use this?

I would back something at a big price which is slightly under on betfair and lay it for a break even spot after commission.  Massively likely to get the free bet then at no cost to you.  Then use the free bet in the same manner and you have effectively been given £30 in cash for free whether it wins or loses if you like a no risk approach and just want to trouser £30 and have suitable funds to lay a 10/1 shot in bf for £300 liabability.  

If not then just have a bet for £30 which you were going to have anyway.  If it loses and you get a free bet make sure you use the free bet on a biggish price.  10/1 or bigger.  Don't back anything sub 10/1 with it. 



Cheers arbboy, so looking at City v Hull tonight, I can back the draw on that sportsbook for 5.5, so £30 on that returns £165. I can then lay the draw on the exchange at 5.9, a liability of £154.74 gives me a return of £184.74 (£30 profit).

So if it is a draw I've profited a shade over a tenner risk free, if it's not a draw then I've broke even but have got the £30 free bet, sound right?

The Sportsbook will return £150. You don't get back the £30 token when you win. If you did we'd be backing a short priced selection with a high win percentage.

Don't worry we've all had to have this explained to us at some point.

The offer is bet £30 of your own money and if it loses then you get the free bet, so in this case I would get the money back I just wouldn't get the free bet afterwards.

Realise I've mangled the exchange side of it though as my liability would actually be £186.32 not £154.74.

My apologies for misreading that. There's been a lot more pages to catch up on than normal.

No problem, thanks for trying to help anyway  thumbs up
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« Reply #109717 on: December 01, 2015, 07:40:56 PM »

MotorSport is now 6th on the list of most profitable sports. It will take a bit of work to catch the top five.

This WILL happen.

"Why are McLaren so optimistic for 2016?

Despite their worst season in living memory, and precious little tangible improvement through 2015, both Jenson Button and Fernando Alonso are adamant McLaren will be back among the frontrunners next season.

Alonso told Sky Sports F1 in October he is "100 per cent" confident McLaren "will be one of the top cars next year" while Button only agreed to stay with the team after being given a reassuring insight into their plans for 2016.

But Button also predicted McLaren would end 2015 with a race-winning car and team boss Ron Dennis famously - or infamously - described the Honda engine as a "piece of jewellery" prior to its debut.

One suggestion is that Button and Alonso are ramping up their predictions in order to raise pressure on Honda. But the onus is already on the Japanese firm to deliver for 2016 after their underperforming and unreliable V6 unit was primarily responsible for the team's woeful 2015. At the Italian GP, when McLaren were 2.5 seconds off Mercedes' pace, Alonso revealed the MP4-30 was only "two to three tenths" down through Monza's six corners with the remainder - over two seconds - lost on the straights.

Can Honda recover such a sizeable deficit? Possibly. It's believed their engine is saddled with a fundamental flaw, relating to the position and size of its compressor unit, which means it struggles to harvest enough 'recovered' energy for an entire lap. The design flaw is so deeply embedded, and the token system so restrictive, that Honda weren't able to apply a fix this season, but the reopening of the development cycle should provide ample opportunity.

"We've got 25 tokens allowed next year; we're talking a compressor change being three and a combustion chamber change three, there's still scope to effectively completely re-design the engine - well, not completely redesign it, but if you've badly messed up at this stage, you can still easily put it right," says Sky Sports F1's Mark Hughes.

A sudden leap forward in 2016 is therefore possible - but still requires a leap of faith to foresee. What's clear from the talk of Alonso taking a sabbatical next year is that a vast improvement has to be delivered for pre-season testing in February. For Alonso, the eights days of running in Barcelona really could be make or break."

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/10076269/will-the-f1-pecking-order-change-in-2016

I've heard Mark say this before, but I intensely disagree. There is a fair amount of scope to develop the engines with 25 tokens, but the usage of those tokens are restricted even further once a crash test has been passed, and this is usually done early/mid January. That's why McLaren will struggle to develop, lack of time! In addition, others have the same amount of tokens also - and they won't be standing still.

I'm sure you are correct and they are likely ramping to keep sponsors but this backs up the Doobs commentary on why they are 25-1.  Given McLaren history and resource the bookies don't want to get punted off the boards at 100-1 by the engineers if the stars align behind closed doors.  If the engine doesn't leap forward in bounds they won't go off off at 25-1.
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« Reply #109718 on: December 01, 2015, 09:13:22 PM »


Good evening all,

NFL wise:

I'm keen on Green Bay this Thursday @ Detroit, the line currently seems to be moving for Detroit. GB with Rodgers have a tremendous record in games they really need and this fits that category, He's basically still the best and seems to find enough to get it done. I can't decide whether we should hold out for possibly as big as  Evs -2.5 or take the 5/6 currently on offer. Interested in peoples views as always. Hopefully we can get a bet on for Fred.
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« Reply #109719 on: December 01, 2015, 09:34:22 PM »


Good evening all,

NFL wise:

I'm keen on Green Bay this Thursday @ Detroit, the line currently seems to be moving for Detroit. GB with Rodgers have a tremendous record in games they really need and this fits that category, He's basically still the best and seems to find enough to get it done. I can't decide whether we should hold out for possibly as big as  Evs -2.5 or take the 5/6 currently on offer. Interested in peoples views as always. Hopefully we can get a bet on for Fred.

Odds Shark says 64% of bets have been on Green Bay. Given they opened -5.5, the money on Detroit must have been from the sharps. Saying they're effectively 8.5 point favourites at a neutral venue when they got beaten by them at home last month is kinda kooky.

That said, if they go <3, it feels like a bet to me. Wonder if the sharps are intending to play the middle? No Jordy Nelson but Detroit are so bad against tight ends that you can see the Rodgers-Rodgers partnership in full swing. Then there's Cobb, Jones, Adams and, to a lesser extent, Janis.

Lions are on form but it's surely a matter of time before A-Rod is back?
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« Reply #109720 on: December 01, 2015, 09:47:34 PM »

MotorSport is now 6th on the list of most profitable sports. It will take a bit of work to catch the top five.

This WILL happen.

"Why are McLaren so optimistic for 2016?

Despite their worst season in living memory, and precious little tangible improvement through 2015, both Jenson Button and Fernando Alonso are adamant McLaren will be back among the frontrunners next season.

Alonso told Sky Sports F1 in October he is "100 per cent" confident McLaren "will be one of the top cars next year" while Button only agreed to stay with the team after being given a reassuring insight into their plans for 2016.

But Button also predicted McLaren would end 2015 with a race-winning car and team boss Ron Dennis famously - or infamously - described the Honda engine as a "piece of jewellery" prior to its debut.

One suggestion is that Button and Alonso are ramping up their predictions in order to raise pressure on Honda. But the onus is already on the Japanese firm to deliver for 2016 after their underperforming and unreliable V6 unit was primarily responsible for the team's woeful 2015. At the Italian GP, when McLaren were 2.5 seconds off Mercedes' pace, Alonso revealed the MP4-30 was only "two to three tenths" down through Monza's six corners with the remainder - over two seconds - lost on the straights.

Can Honda recover such a sizeable deficit? Possibly. It's believed their engine is saddled with a fundamental flaw, relating to the position and size of its compressor unit, which means it struggles to harvest enough 'recovered' energy for an entire lap. The design flaw is so deeply embedded, and the token system so restrictive, that Honda weren't able to apply a fix this season, but the reopening of the development cycle should provide ample opportunity.

"We've got 25 tokens allowed next year; we're talking a compressor change being three and a combustion chamber change three, there's still scope to effectively completely re-design the engine - well, not completely redesign it, but if you've badly messed up at this stage, you can still easily put it right," says Sky Sports F1's Mark Hughes.

A sudden leap forward in 2016 is therefore possible - but still requires a leap of faith to foresee. What's clear from the talk of Alonso taking a sabbatical next year is that a vast improvement has to be delivered for pre-season testing in February. For Alonso, the eights days of running in Barcelona really could be make or break."

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/10076269/will-the-f1-pecking-order-change-in-2016

I've heard Mark say this before, but I intensely disagree. There is a fair amount of scope to develop the engines with 25 tokens, but the usage of those tokens are restricted even further once a crash test has been passed, and this is usually done early/mid January. That's why McLaren will struggle to develop, lack of time! In addition, others have the same amount of tokens also - and they won't be standing still.

I'm sure you are correct and they are likely ramping to keep sponsors but this backs up the Doobs commentary on why they are 25-1.  Given McLaren history and resource the bookies don't want to get punted off the boards at 100-1 by the engineers if the stars align behind closed doors.  If the engine doesn't leap forward in bounds they won't go off off at 25-1.


.. which kind of backs up my original point that there will be value available when the action begins again Smiley
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« Reply #109721 on: December 02, 2015, 12:33:05 AM »

Not read most of the above as it's really long and my eyes hurt now after studying tomorrow night's Romford card for far too long!

It's live on Sky tomorrow night and it's the final of the Essex Vase, which we have Deanridge Pennys running in the final @20/1 top 4 ew. Good news is it being there, bad news is it's the outsider of the field in the final. It's running style gives us a good chance of scooping the EW terms though @ 5/1, and there is a small yet possible scenario that we cause a shock and win. (Very small!).

I have found 3 dogs that I fancy at prices that I like very much tomorrow, and cannot see how they won't be shorter come the off. I won't put a recc up as such as I read that accounts are bare but just thought i'd put them up for anyone interested as I have over the last couple of weeks.

Selection 1 : 7.11 Katies Piper 7/2

Only three bookies priced so far but I will be surprised if any of my selections are bigger in the morning elsewhere, however, if they are I will be going in again. Katies Piper flew round last week in 23.95 when heavily backed into Evs favourite. Tonight she faces a tougher task but is still no 7/2 shot for me. I've watched video on the 4 dog who moves rails almost immediately and the last time the 1 dog ran at Romford, it took a slight step to the right when wearing the blue vest. There is a lot of pace in this race but we stay straight to the bend and will have all the room we want. I can see money for this tomorrow and hopefully a good run. At the current prices T2 is a lay at 5/4, I think our SP should be about 9/4 tbh.

Selection 2 : 7.43 Oneco Sky 5/2

There are already discrepancies in the price here, with two bookies pricing up 7/4 and 2/1 whilst Paddy's go 5/2. The dog won trap to line last week and this week isn't really an upgrade in class. He has to win the race to the first bend and then I think he can stretch the lead and I only really think there is one dog that is a danger, in T1. Make this more of a 6/4 shot come SP.

Selection 3 : 833 Corrin Bob 9/2

Standout price from bet365 here, Bob has decent form round this track earlier in the year without necessarily winning too many. He has more recently however been in the form of his life. He is fresh off of the back of a Golden Collar win around Crayford, beating Swift Whirlwind in the final who he goes up against again tonight. He has a nice draw in 3 and after a tasty 2 bend trial there is no reason I can't see him leading the inside and hopefully going around infront at the bend. 9/2 is a big price for this dog and i'd make it nearer a 3/1 shot SP. I'll also be playing the 3x1 saver r/f/c here as the red is the only dog with a run behind it that could possibly get to it.


Anyone else fancy much?



Haha Matty. Put the same two up in the dog thread. Funny.

Had a good night at the track this evening.

Katies Piper trapped perfectly and I was gutted not to be collecting after the first few steps, but 2 showed great pace around 1 and 2 with Katie leaving the door open sadly. Still, she will win and if they want to keep pricing up 7/2 in races like this i'll bet every week.

The marathon dog Oneco Sky won, returning SP was 6/4. Sadly though due to a non runner during the day the 5/2 early I got returned at SP. Annoying when that happens, especially when nothing would have been different, the dog won in style.

And the third dog returned 3/1 I think but sadly, despite not really doing alot wrong at the boxes, watched Swift Whirlwind absolutely ping out and that was all she wrote.

Managed to bet the last winner (Random Queen) at 11/2 on course which was nice and returned me a profit on the night in the end.

Thread was on Deanridge Pennys and that managed to squeak us a place, I think I put up a £30ew rec but can't remember what we got on in the end. Whatever it was we got 5/1 top 4 tonight so it's a little winner.

Good old Bob! Happy retirement.
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« Reply #109722 on: December 02, 2015, 12:37:16 AM »

Not read most of the above as it's really long and my eyes hurt now after studying tomorrow night's Romford card for far too long!

It's live on Sky tomorrow night and it's the final of the Essex Vase, which we have Deanridge Pennys running in the final @20/1 top 4 ew. Good news is it being there, bad news is it's the outsider of the field in the final. It's running style gives us a good chance of scooping the EW terms though @ 5/1, and there is a small yet possible scenario that we cause a shock and win. (Very small!).

I have found 3 dogs that I fancy at prices that I like very much tomorrow, and cannot see how they won't be shorter come the off. I won't put a recc up as such as I read that accounts are bare but just thought i'd put them up for anyone interested as I have over the last couple of weeks.

Selection 1 : 7.11 Katies Piper 7/2

Only three bookies priced so far but I will be surprised if any of my selections are bigger in the morning elsewhere, however, if they are I will be going in again. Katies Piper flew round last week in 23.95 when heavily backed into Evs favourite. Tonight she faces a tougher task but is still no 7/2 shot for me. I've watched video on the 4 dog who moves rails almost immediately and the last time the 1 dog ran at Romford, it took a slight step to the right when wearing the blue vest. There is a lot of pace in this race but we stay straight to the bend and will have all the room we want. I can see money for this tomorrow and hopefully a good run. At the current prices T2 is a lay at 5/4, I think our SP should be about 9/4 tbh.

Selection 2 : 7.43 Oneco Sky 5/2

There are already discrepancies in the price here, with two bookies pricing up 7/4 and 2/1 whilst Paddy's go 5/2. The dog won trap to line last week and this week isn't really an upgrade in class. He has to win the race to the first bend and then I think he can stretch the lead and I only really think there is one dog that is a danger, in T1. Make this more of a 6/4 shot come SP.

Selection 3 : 833 Corrin Bob 9/2

Standout price from bet365 here, Bob has decent form round this track earlier in the year without necessarily winning too many. He has more recently however been in the form of his life. He is fresh off of the back of a Golden Collar win around Crayford, beating Swift Whirlwind in the final who he goes up against again tonight. He has a nice draw in 3 and after a tasty 2 bend trial there is no reason I can't see him leading the inside and hopefully going around infront at the bend. 9/2 is a big price for this dog and i'd make it nearer a 3/1 shot SP. I'll also be playing the 3x1 saver r/f/c here as the red is the only dog with a run behind it that could possibly get to it.


Anyone else fancy much?



Haha Matty. Put the same two up in the dog thread. Funny.

Had a good night at the track this evening.

Katies Piper trapped perfectly and I was gutted not to be collecting after the first few steps, but 2 showed great pace around 1 and 2 with Katie leaving the door open sadly. Still, she will win and if they want to keep pricing up 7/2 in races like this i'll bet every week.

The marathon dog Oneco Sky won, returning SP was 6/4. Sadly though due to a non runner during the day the 5/2 early I got returned at SP. Annoying when that happens, especially when nothing would have been different, the dog won in style.

And the third dog returned 3/1 I think but sadly, despite not really doing alot wrong at the boxes, watched Swift Whirlwind absolutely ping out and that was all she wrote.

Managed to bet the last winner (Random Queen) at 11/2 on course which was nice and returned me a profit on the night in the end.

Thread was on Deanridge Pennys and that managed to squeak us a place, I think I put up a £30ew rec but can't remember what we got on in the end. Whatever it was we got 5/1 top 4 tonight so it's a little winner.

Good old Bob! Happy retirement.

~I doubt many went home having a shit night with 7 favs out of 8 winning on sky (i count bob as a fav because he would have been the biggest loser in any book).  So glad i had the night off and went to watch stoke v sheff weds with rutter!  Saved me a fortune.  So many dog favs just keep winning at the minute.

So happy to do my cash to bob having backed bubbly at a big price.  Happy retirement bob.  You don't owe me a penny.  Many a friday night out in 2012/13 was paid for in stoke when u hosed up in the lucky last in Romford on rpgtv.
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£20 Posh to score over 3.5 v Luton on Sunday, 9-2 Hylls.

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« Reply #109724 on: December 02, 2015, 08:46:35 AM »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/queens-park-rangers/12027954/QPR-close-in-on-Jimmy-Floyd-Hasselbaink-to-fill-vacant-managers-job.html

Scrap that price long gone
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