Independence Referendum

[Teacake]

A friend of mine works for a well-known market research company and they've just produced a very detailed and scientific report predicting the result of the referendum with a greater confidence and accuracy than others.  They were quite proud of it, until someone pointed out to them that their US team (who processed the research) only sampled people aged 18+ instead of 16+...

 

What were the reults did he say? 

Of votes cast, the yes will get 47%.

They've also said that if there is a high turnout (higher than predicted), this will favour the 'No' vote, and the gap could widen to as much as 7%.

Interesting because many of us think the opposite, higher turn out more likely to be beneficial to yes.  That train of thought has been substantiated by the Labour Politicians coming out with the " still undecided don't vote"

If someone is still undecided after all this time and all the debates then they must be a fence sitter/risk averse type logically and will surely be more likely to vote no and not rock the boat?

i am still on fence, i am not normally but its hard to vote yes for something when we dont know what we are voting yes for

will it be a president a prime minister, how many elected bodies  etc etc etc

SNP/YES camp have made a total mess of this by not having plans for what we are voting for apart from home rule i have no idea

will scotland be like russia for instance?
or even worth like north korea?

Your getting a bit hysterical at the end there are you not?

All the back and forth arguments have been done, nothing new is coming into play. The question on the ballot paper is "should Scotland be an independent country".  If you can't make your mind ask yourself if Scotland is the Westminster governments first priority, of course we know it isn't and neither should it be but it would be the only priority for our own government no matter who that is made up of. I have never voted SNP in my life and don't intend to start doing so now but this isn't about the SNP it's about the people of Scotland We have the talent and resources to make Scotland a huge success as an independent country I see this as a huge opportunity and that was from a starting point of No.

[OverTheBorder]

A friend of mine works for a well-known market research company and they've just produced a very detailed and scientific report predicting the result of the referendum with a greater confidence and accuracy than others.  They were quite proud of it, until someone pointed out to them that their US team (who processed the research) only sampled people aged 18+ instead of 16+...

 

What were the reults did he say? 

Of votes cast, the yes will get 47%.

They've also said that if there is a high turnout (higher than predicted), this will favour the 'No' vote, and the gap could widen to as much as 7%.

Interesting because many of us think the opposite, higher turn out more likely to be beneficial to yes.  That train of thought has been substantiated by the Labour Politicians coming out with the " still undecided don't vote"

If someone is still undecided after all this time and all the debates then they must be a fence sitter/risk averse type logically and will surely be more likely to vote no and not rock the boat?

i am still on fence, i am not normally but its hard to vote yes for something when we dont know what we are voting yes for

will it be a president a prime minister, how many elected bodies  etc etc etc

SNP/YES camp have made a total mess of this by not having plans for what we are voting for apart from home rule i have no idea

will scotland be like russia for instance?
or even worth like north korea?

Your getting a bit hysterical at the end there are you not?

All the back and forth arguments have been done, nothing new is coming into play. The question on the ballot paper is "should Scotland be an independent country".  If you can't make your mind ask yourself if Scotland is the Westminster governments first priority, of course we know it isn't and neither should it be but it would be the only priority for our own government no matter who that is made up of. I have never voted SNP in my life and don't intend to start doing so now but this isn't about the SNP it's about the people of Scotland We have the talent and resources to make Scotland a huge success as an independent country I see this as a huge opportunity and that was from a starting point of No.

North Korea supports Scottish independence. That's a fact lol

I wouldn't ask yourselves the questions that suit the yes/no campaign.

Vote how you feel on the day. I am sure you have seen enough to make an informed choice.

[Kmac84]

You really need to take Salmond out your equation Ironside. 

It's not about him, the same way the white paper is not what your voting for.  There will be an assembled team putting forward the best possible case in any negotiations.  Sure the SNP will be part of that but so too will people from Labour/Tories/Lib Dems/RIC and no party members at all. 

We basically have a blank piece of paper and we get to to start from scratch.  The negotiations will take us through to the 2016 Scottish Elections and we then get to vote on the major issues.  We don't even know what political parties will be involved then.  The SNP may split it may not.  LFI might be the major force in Labour because the Labour Party as we know it are finished.  There will be a new electoral system that is far more representative of the people and we will see much more consensus politics which thus far has been an area were the Scottish Parliament has excelled.  I think a few of the main players will step down regardless of the result I can see Lammont,Goldie,Salmond, Neil possibly Rennie all doing something different.

We're not going to lose the history that has been built thus far, regardless of your opinions on that shared history, we will still be good neighbours and rivals in sport but we will be in control.  We will have the power. 

For me, I don't expect my life to change massively, sure I grew up in one of the worse housing schemes in Glasgow but I've done ok, I went to Uni - accumulated a shit load of debtin doing so - I have a well paid job and a mortgage.  But I want free health care for all, I want free education for all, I want fairness, openess and transparency from our elected representatives and most importantly I want our government to reflect our nations votes.   If ts a no vote I will be  back to campaigning and the struggle goes on, if its a yes vote I will still be campaigning to make sure we get what is required.  I'm not naieve enough to think that the Socialist Utopia I dream of will be achieved but I will settle for just knowing we have the power. 

[OverTheBorder]

Is tonight going to the symbolic battle for Ironside?

I am going to the gym. Will get my pitch sorted later.

[OverTheBorder]

Ps next door is offering free whisky and short bread. There is a sign, will picture it later.

[Teacake]

From reading this thread I make the breakdown of those who actually have a vote

YES
KMac, Rod, Double up, Eck, Forth Thistle, Billy, Teacake.

NO
Somerled, maccol, OTB (cancelled out by his mad neighbours) 

Undecided
Iron

Not arsed
celtic

I'll obviously have missed a few feel free to add.

[mickyp]

From reading this thread I make the breakdown of those who actually have a vote

YES
KMac, Rod, Double up, Eck, Forth Thistle, Billy, Teacake.

NO
Somerled, maccol, OTB (cancelled out by his mad neighbours) 

Undecided
Iron

Not arsed
celtic

I'll obviously have missed a few feel free to add.

im definitely a yes now

[Ironside]

kmac the point is we dont know what type of independence we will get and that should of been sorted and discussed before any referendum

what happens when/if we vote yes the people round the table come up with a mealie mally hotpot of claptrap

of an independent scotland with 2 chambers of governance both elected and both have the power to veto and bring in laws

so nothing ever really gets done fully everything is waterdown for the best common denominator i certainly wouldnt want that
but its an option on the cards just now
would i want a president/prime minister with alot of power who basically runs over the parliament no

but again i dont want a single chamber either cause then in a rogue election we could end up getting a protest vote and

finding ourselves with a far right or loony left  party having a large majority and able to bring in crackpot laws policies etc

the way the country will be govern is way to important to not have a say on it and we wont have a say after tomorrow

if it comes yes they dont turn round and say this is how we think the country should be govern what you think

it will be this is how you will be governed in the future like it our lump it

[OverTheBorder]

For the love of all that is sacred, they have installed a projector and are playing braveheart against my wall

I have no words left

[booder]

 

[Ironside]

LMAO i want to share that on my facebook do you mind?

sometimes i am glad i live in an estate where a large number are pensioners

[OverTheBorder]

LMAO i want to share that on my facebook do you mind?

sometimes i am glad i live in an estate where a large number are pensioners

No worries mate

I should have seen the signs earlier, just realised I shouldn't share someone's FB details, basically a request for a braveheart DVD and projector was up 5 hours ago.

[Marky147]

Haha, brilliant!

Click to see full-size image.

Scottish TV if 'yes' wins

[kinboshi]

From reading this thread I make the breakdown of those who actually have a vote

YES
KMac, Rod, Double up, Eck, Forth Thistle, Billy, Teacake.

NO
Somerled, maccol, OTB (cancelled out by his mad neighbours) 

Undecided
Iron

Not arsed
celtic

I'll obviously have missed a few feel free to add.

Celtic doesn't have a vote, does he?

[Ironside]

From reading this thread I make the breakdown of those who actually have a vote

YES
KMac, Rod, Double up, Eck, Forth Thistle, Billy, Teacake.

NO
Somerled, maccol, OTB (cancelled out by his mad neighbours) 

Undecided
Iron

Not arsed
celtic

I'll obviously have missed a few feel free to add.

Celtic doesn't have a vote, does he?

vinny has moved north i believe