Independence Referendum

[TightEnd]

is this significant?

getting any press in Scotland?

fresh out

"EU Commissioner Olli Rehn warns Scotland “sterlingisation” (using pound unofficially) incompatible with EU membership "

[Marky147]

My only knowledge of the whole coup is what I read here, but one of the scottish lads next door started a thread the other day, and opinions seemed to be split there, too.

These were the concerns of one of my pals, who I know is a very smart, and shrewd chap.



So many issues if independence is granted:

1. No currency. Use the pound and get no control of decisions so why be independent.

2. An ageing population. All pensions are paid from England - how will Scotland fund this.

3. No defence. How would we pay for an army.

4. Many jobs would move south and people would move with the jobs.

5. House prices would fall as the demand falls.

6. Scotland runs at a deficit this would have to be met by cost cutting.

7. What about the debt - RBS and HBOS are Scottish companies and have created huge liabilities.

We got it pretty good up here as it is. We have everything to lose and not much to gain from this.

[ripple11]

If anyone didnt see it.....Andrew Neil did an interesting programme on it, especially for us south of the border.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04dr69k/scotland-votes-whats-at-stake-for-the-uk

[Kmac84]

My only knowledge of the whole coup is what I read here, but one of the scottish lads next door started a thread the other day, and opinions seemed to be split there, too.

These were the concerns of one of my pals, who I know is a very smart, and shrewd chap.



So many issues if independence is granted:

1. No currency. Use the pound and get no control of decisions so why be independent. We would have the £, even if we don't he have the option of Sterlingisation despite what Tighty has posted above we'd be welcome into EFTA which would be my personal preference.  But a currency union will happen

2. An ageing population. All pensions are paid from England - how will Scotland fund this. All pensions are not paid from England.  That is a lie. Pensions are paid out from NI contributions so by increasing our population and employment rates we cover the pensions and create a better pension for our old people instead of having one of the worse in Europe. 

3. No defence. How would we pay for an army. We would set up a Scottish Defence Force we pay about 3.6 billion into UK defence each year we get approximately 2.8 billion back so that is a surplus. I posted a very good video a page or two back with veterans who provide some excellent information on defense

4. Many jobs would move south and people would move with the jobs. Myth.

5. House prices would fall as the demand falls. Myth

6. Scotland runs at a deficit this would have to be met by cost cutting. In one of the last 33 years only has Scotland run at a defecit

7. What about the debt - RBS and HBOS are Scottish companies and have created huge liabilities. Another Myth because they have Scotland in the name doesn't make them Scottish Companies.  Actually sick of hearing this. 

We got it pretty good up here as it is. We have everything to lose and not much to gain from this. That is very debatable.  Depends where you come from and where you want to go. In the area I live its poverty, deprivation and addiction.  But with a blanket approach to Social Justice from Westminister we can't fix this.  Independence gives us a blank canvas to make things better for the many and not the few.

[david3103]

My only knowledge of the whole coup is what I read here, but one of the scottish lads next door started a thread the other day, and opinions seemed to be split there, too.

These were the concerns of one of my pals, who I know is a very smart, and shrewd chap.



So many issues if independence is granted:

1. No currency. Use the pound and get no control of decisions so why be independent. We would have the £, even if we don't he have the option of Sterlingisation despite what Tighty has posted above we'd be welcome into EFTA which would be my personal preference.  But a currency union will happen

2. An ageing population. All pensions are paid from England - how will Scotland fund this. All pensions are not paid from England.  That is a lie. Pensions are paid out from NI contributions so by increasing our population and employment rates we cover the pensions and create a better pension for our old people instead of having one of the worse in Europe. 

3. No defence. How would we pay for an army. We would set up a Scottish Defence Force we pay about 3.6 billion into UK defence each year we get approximately 2.8 billion back so that is a surplus. I posted a very good video a page or two back with veterans who provide some excellent information on defense

4. Many jobs would move south and people would move with the jobs. Myth.

5. House prices would fall as the demand falls. Myth

6. Scotland runs at a deficit this would have to be met by cost cutting. In one of the last 33 years only has Scotland run at a defecit

7. What about the debt - RBS and HBOS are Scottish companies and have created huge liabilities. Another Myth because they have Scotland in the name doesn't make them Scottish Companies.  Actually sick of hearing this. 

We got it pretty good up here as it is. We have everything to lose and not much to gain from this. That is very debatable.  Depends where you come from and where you want to go. In the area I live its poverty, deprivation and addiction.  But with a blanket approach to Social Justice from Westminister we can't fix this.  Independence gives us a blank canvas to make things better for the many and not the few.

I guess if you say something often, and loudly, you can convince folks that you are authoritative.

Few of your answers provide any substance but I think the answer to Q2 takes the biscuit. How is the population going to rise, and how will this increased populace find jobs and fund the 'better' pensions of the future?
Building new administrative centres inside budget and on schedule?
Or a new tram system?

[arbboy]

My only knowledge of the whole coup is what I read here, but one of the scottish lads next door started a thread the other day, and opinions seemed to be split there, too.

These were the concerns of one of my pals, who I know is a very smart, and shrewd chap.



So many issues if independence is granted:

1. No currency. Use the pound and get no control of decisions so why be independent.

2. An ageing population. All pensions are paid from England - how will Scotland fund this.

3. No defence. How would we pay for an army.

4. Many jobs would move south and people would move with the jobs.

5. House prices would fall as the demand falls.

6. Scotland runs at a deficit this would have to be met by cost cutting.

7. What about the debt - RBS and HBOS are Scottish companies and have created huge liabilities.

We got it pretty good up here as it is. We have everything to lose and not much to gain from this.

This is pretty much my thoughts on the whole situation.  Other issues i would raise which are massively subsided on an economics of scale point of view by being in the UK are the Post office and access to the bbc.  What are Scotland's plan on these two issues if the Yes vote wins?  You will be as entitled to use the BBC and the post office as France or Germany (ie you won't)

Whatever you choose to say about not running at a deficit Scotland has PER CAPTIA worse health issues, benefit claimants, pensioners etc etc than the UK as a whole and as such is subsided by the UK to solve these issues.  The cost of delivering a letter across Scotland for the Post Office is probably twice as high as the uk in general and as such England massively subsides the cost of the Post Office for Scotland effectively.

[Kmac84]

Subsidised, ffs geez peace.  We contribute more to the UK per person then we get out. 

We don't want the BBC.  Its shit.   The post office in Scotland will be re-nationalised.

@David the population will grow by increasing migration and allowing foreign students to stay here after we have educated them.  We will entice people from all over the world through a skills/need based matrix the same way they do in Canada/Austailia. 

[arbboy]

Subsidised, ffs geez peace.  We contribute more to the UK per person then we get out. 

We don't want the BBC.  Its shit.   The post office in Scotland will be re-nationalised.

@David the population will grow by increasing migration and allowing foreign students to stay here after we have educated them.  We will entice people from all over the world through a skills/need based matrix the same way they do in Canada/Austailia. 

You are clearly very passionate about the subject but i think it would help your cause if you were slightly more balanced in your views as it seems like you have blinkers on currently and, although you are clearly well informed on the subject, your posts are rarely remotely balanced.

[curnow]

looks like Scotland is going to say Yes , gonna be funny watching them mess this up afterwards within a few years

no EU , they gonna pay furtune like Norway to trade with EU countries
ageing population with all the young people having to go south to find work
unable to borrow money because the SNP wont pay a share national debt
& sooner or later the oil runs out & Scotish people will realy suffer

[arbboy]

I think the key to the battle for the Yes vote is getting as many working/lower/under class voters who would rarely vote on such issues to fool them into thinking this will be better for Scotland long term and to get them to vote for you (using scare tactics).  I can't believe during your door knocking you are actually ever telling these punters who are the key to winning your campaign the negatives of them voting yes?  My family all live in Aberdeen where they are all massively well off from oil and the corresponding supply industries in the city however they are all voting no as they feel they will be subsiding the rest of Scotland effectively should they vote yes and they are smart enough to realise that economically Scotland has to be worse off per person from the arguments i have highlighted earlier.

[david3103]

Subsidised, ffs geez peace.  We contribute more to the UK per person then we get out. 

We don't want the BBC.  Its shit.   The post office in Scotland will be re-nationalised.

@David the population will grow by increasing migration and allowing foreign students to stay here after we have educated them.  We will entice people from all over the world through a skills/need based matrix the same way they do in Canada/Austailia. 

If it weren't quite so serious, that last sentence would be hilarious.

The calamity that awaits if enough people buy this sort of stuff is a frightening prospect.

[maccol]

 

We don't want the BBC.  Its shit.   The post office in Scotland will be re-nationalised.

Which partys policies are these please?

[Ironside]

 

We don't want the BBC.  Its shit.   The post office in Scotland will be re-nationalised.

Which partys policies are these please?

Scottish socialist party

[arbboy]

Don't Scottish people realise it's like turning Tesco's into a corner shop 10 times smaller and are they stupid enough to think they can go to the corner shop and buy things at the same price as Tesco's Extra?  Borrowing costs will be higher.  NHS/social services higher per capita.  The list is endless just down to sheer economies of scale. 

[maccol]

 

We don't want the BBC.  Its shit.   The post office in Scotland will be re-nationalised.

Which partys policies are these please?

Scottish socialist party

Oh Lordy