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Question: Do you agree that Scotland should be an independent country?
Yes - because it would be better for the Scots
Yes - because the rest of the UK would be better off without the Scots
Don't really know
Don't care
No, the Union is a good thing

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« Reply #945 on: September 11, 2014, 01:45:43 AM »

When I say religion I mean along the Rangers/Celtic divide. I've seen a few vids in the last weeks to suggest there might be, but 2 or 3 youtube videos tell me nothing in the whole scheme of things.
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« Reply #946 on: September 11, 2014, 01:56:02 AM »

When I say religion I mean along the Rangers/Celtic divide. I've seen a few vids in the last weeks to suggest there might be, but 2 or 3 youtube videos tell me nothing in the whole scheme of things.

It definitely crossed my mind too but not seen any evidence of it.
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« Reply #947 on: September 11, 2014, 01:59:56 AM »

For a very small % perhaps.

But for the vast majority, what team they support wont even come into it
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« Reply #948 on: September 11, 2014, 02:22:19 AM »

When I say religion I mean along the Rangers/Celtic divide. I've seen a few vids in the last weeks to suggest there might be, but 2 or 3 youtube videos tell me nothing in the whole scheme of things.

I would say more Celtic fans than Rangers fans support independence but there are a number of yes groups within each support.  Sadly, Rangers/The Rangers or whatever they are called next season tend to attract the most reactionary types so it comes as no surprise that a few nutters in their support are where they are.  I mean it was only recently they were flying Israel Flags and giving some straight armed salute at the same time.  Oh the irony.
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« Reply #949 on: September 11, 2014, 06:42:34 AM »

It feels like the yes camp are not doing enough to get the comfortable working class and middle class on side.

I imagine, generally,  it's hard to feel as passionately 'no' as it is to feel passionately 'yes'.

Starting to look like the only hope for yes is if no folks don't feel motivated enough to get up and bother to vote on the day.

This is how it has seemed for the whole campaign. I think there's a good chance that the last 2 or 3 polls showing a yes lead are a statistical quirk, in that I expect the 'no' vote is over represented in all the polls - much like the Labour vote was over-represented in many General Election polls the last time the Conservatives were in power.

Ironically it might well have lost any chance the 'yes' campaign had by actually motivating the 'no' voters to get out and vote, but only the actual results will tell the whole story.
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« Reply #950 on: September 11, 2014, 08:47:32 AM »

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Lloyds and RBS confirm they would move in event of a Yes


this has just broken

Good riddance.



ok, but how many jobs go with them?

it can't be seen as a positive for Yes can it?

as i said earlier, their balance sheets are too big to be supported by an Independent Scotland

For the umpteenth time - moving the regulatory and the physical are entirely different prospects.

Standard Life for example has been farming jobs out to India for years.  If they could relocate to England and long term save money, they would have done so long ago.   

In fact the general statements of this nature are merely to re-assure depositors etc. 

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« Reply #951 on: September 11, 2014, 08:50:40 AM »

Dr Éoin Clarke ‏@LabourEoin  two hearts
Last week, Cameron handed BUPA a £235m chunk of NHS
This week, BUPA back a NO vote in Indyref

http://news.sky.com/story/1333363/bupa-chairman-gives-backing-to-scots-no-vote
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/11456904.Major_health_firm_gets___235m_new_contract/?action=complain&cid=13159626

I thought health spending and policy had been devolved since 1999? So it's Salmond who has given the contract to BUPA?
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« Reply #952 on: September 11, 2014, 09:05:32 AM »

Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak 2m

Lloyds and RBS confirm they would move in event of a Yes


this has just broken

Good riddance.



ok, but how many jobs go with them?

it can't be seen as a positive for Yes can it?

as i said earlier, their balance sheets are too big to be supported by an Independent Scotland

For the umpteenth time - moving the regulatory and the physical are entirely different prospects.

Standard Life for example has been farming jobs out to India for years.  If they could relocate to England and long term save money, they would have done so long ago.   

In fact the general statements of this nature are merely to re-assure depositors etc. 



In the union many firms take advantage of scottish offices for a number of functions especially in financial sectors.

The representation is normally significantly greater than a local service team and provides UK wide coverage.  This is due to Scotland having a solid reputation and staff base for financial industries at rates lower than London. This type of near shoring occurs so widely in the UK and benefits the scottish job market and wider economy.

The argument to move to a completely separate entity with growth (good or bad) unpredictable and differing tax regimes will not entice English 'd firms to be heavily leveraged in Scotland. On the flip side we have "job creating powers being created". Not sure that's a trade off I am taking especially unnamed or explained powers I need to take their word on.

The moving in name and legality is the first step. Long term much more will follow unless the scottish government get it VERY right
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« Reply #953 on: September 11, 2014, 09:07:41 AM »

Dr Éoin Clarke ‏@LabourEoin  two hearts
Last week, Cameron handed BUPA a £235m chunk of NHS
This week, BUPA back a NO vote in Indyref

http://news.sky.com/story/1333363/bupa-chairman-gives-backing-to-scots-no-vote
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/11456904.Major_health_firm_gets___235m_new_contract/?action=complain&cid=13159626

I thought health spending and policy had been devolved since 1999? So it's Salmond who has given the contract to BUPA?

I don't think Alex Salmond has any influence in West Sussex.

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« Reply #954 on: September 11, 2014, 09:09:48 AM »

Ah, Sussex, my mistake.
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« Reply #955 on: September 11, 2014, 09:16:31 AM »

Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak 2m

Lloyds and RBS confirm they would move in event of a Yes


this has just broken

Good riddance.



ok, but how many jobs go with them?

it can't be seen as a positive for Yes can it?

as i said earlier, their balance sheets are too big to be supported by an Independent Scotland

For the umpteenth time - moving the regulatory and the physical are entirely different prospects.

Standard Life for example has been farming jobs out to India for years.  If they could relocate to England and long term save money, they would have done so long ago.   

In fact the general statements of this nature are merely to re-assure depositors etc. 



In the union many firms take advantage of scottish offices for a number of functions especially in financial sectors.

The representation is normally significantly greater than a local service team and provides UK wide coverage.  This is due to Scotland having a solid reputation and staff base for financial industries at rates lower than London. This type of near shoring occurs so widely in the UK and benefits the scottish job market and wider economy.

The argument to move to a completely separate entity with growth (good or bad) unpredictable and differing tax regimes will not entice English 'd firms to be heavily leveraged in Scotland. On the flip side we have "job creating powers being created". Not sure that's a trade off I am taking especially unnamed or explained powers I need to take their word on.

The moving in name and legality is the first step. Long term much more will follow unless the scottish government get it VERY right

Also the movement of regulatory responsibilities for the banks south is one of Gidiot's main objections to currency union stuffed.
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« Reply #956 on: September 11, 2014, 09:27:57 AM »

Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak 2m

Lloyds and RBS confirm they would move in event of a Yes


this has just broken

Good riddance.



ok, but how many jobs go with them?

it can't be seen as a positive for Yes can it?

as i said earlier, their balance sheets are too big to be supported by an Independent Scotland

For the umpteenth time - moving the regulatory and the physical are entirely different prospects.

Standard Life for example has been farming jobs out to India for years.  If they could relocate to England and long term save money, they would have done so long ago.   

In fact the general statements of this nature are merely to re-assure depositors etc. 



In the union many firms take advantage of scottish offices for a number of functions especially in financial sectors.

The representation is normally significantly greater than a local service team and provides UK wide coverage.  This is due to Scotland having a solid reputation and staff base for financial industries at rates lower than London. This type of near shoring occurs so widely in the UK and benefits the scottish job market and wider economy.

The argument to move to a completely separate entity with growth (good or bad) unpredictable and differing tax regimes will not entice English 'd firms to be heavily leveraged in Scotland. On the flip side we have "job creating powers being created". Not sure that's a trade off I am taking especially unnamed or explained powers I need to take their word on.

The moving in name and legality is the first step. Long term much more will follow unless the scottish government get it VERY right

Also the movement of regulatory responsibilities for the banks south is one of Gidiot's main objections to currency union stuffed.

I think the main reason it won't happen is spite and pride. They have said so much it would be too embarrassing. Or they trade it off with bad deals on debt share for Scotland to claim some face. It's one thing I can't decide if we would get or not. I will hope so for the nations sake in the event
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« Reply #957 on: September 11, 2014, 09:52:00 AM »

Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak 2m

Lloyds and RBS confirm they would move in event of a Yes


this has just broken

Good riddance.



ok, but how many jobs go with them?

it can't be seen as a positive for Yes can it?

as i said earlier, their balance sheets are too big to be supported by an Independent Scotland

For the umpteenth time - moving the regulatory and the physical are entirely different prospects.

Standard Life for example has been farming jobs out to India for years.  If they could relocate to England and long term save money, they would have done so long ago.   

In fact the general statements of this nature are merely to re-assure depositors etc. 



RBS plan to redomicile which will have long term tax implications (loss of revenue) for Scotland, as well as shift long term strategy/focus away from Scotland.   

HSBC have been making noises recently about moving their from London to Hong Kong due to regulatory burden.   London are alarmed at this and aren't referring to is as a cosmetic change or being about "brass plaques" like yourself and Mr Salmond do.  I guess they don't have a Yes campaign to spin.

Whichever way you look at it, having your major companies relocate their HQs away from your country is a disaster, even if it doesn't cost jobs in the short term.  To pretend otherwise is absurd.
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« Reply #958 on: September 11, 2014, 10:02:13 AM »

 Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak  ·  10h

Question about banks' warnings is how much they make economic arguments real to voters - many had switched off from that message


which i think is a valid point. Not easy to understand the economics, easier to understand the soundbites
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« Reply #959 on: September 11, 2014, 10:49:59 AM »

Much of what I am seeing on social media this morning and from various conversations I have had last night and this morning the news that the likes of RBS/LBG want to leave is welcomed.  We are in the mess we are in mostly because of the casino banking operations. 
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