Independence Referendum

[Somerled]

Was at an office today and saw 700 envelopes being packaged, asked if it was payroll day and was told it is a special all staff letter regarding the dangers to their industry of a yes vote. I can imagine this is happening all over the country. Anyone willing to stick their neck on the line and warn staff of the dangers of a no vote?

The only dangers are to the self serving business leaders. 

This debat will be won in the housing estates across Scotland.  Katest ICM poll is 51/49 so within the Margin of error. 

I predict final count will be 53/47 in favour of yes. 

How are the housing estate residents going to react when they see they've been hoodwinked?

[Kmac84]

kmac i admire your relentless campaiging.  Can i ask you a question?  How much worse off financially would you be happy Scotland to become under independence before you changed to voting No?

I would never vote no.  I believe in Sovereignty.  Scotland should, like England, Wales and Northern Ireland be independent.  We have no need for Metropolitan Millionaire public schoolboys tellingus how to run our country.  

[Kmac84]

Those comments from Sillars are imo anger at what he see been done.  This referendum was about the will of the Scottish people.  Neo-Liberals should not have been part of it and the PM calling in favours from his friends to put out scare stories backed up by State Media is a disgrace.  

There is much anger in Scotland just now, and there will be more anger post the referendum if its a no vote and we see further cuts and retention of powers at Westminister.  

Why aren't neo liberals allowed to be part of it?  Do you think only Scottish people loyal to the supreme leader should be allowed to vote?

Who is the supreme leader?

Scoland has by itsnature no need for neo-liberals. That's not to say there aren't  any here but hopefully they would be elsewhere with independence.

[TightEnd]

Those comments from Sillars are imo anger at what he see been done.  This referendum was about the will of the Scottish people.  Neo-Liberals should not have been part of it and the PM calling in favours from his friends to put out scare stories backed up by State Media is a disgrace. 

There is much anger in Scotland just now, and there will be more anger post the referendum if its a no vote and we see further cuts and retention of powers at Westminister. 

Why aren't neo liberals allowed to be part of it?  Do you think only Scottish people loyal to the supreme leader should be allowed to vote?

Who is the supreme leader?

Scoland has by itsnature no need for neo-liberals. That's not to say there aren't  any here but hopefully they would be elsewhere with independence.

its a democracy? if there are right wing Scots, which they are, of course they can be part in Scotland whether independent or not...

just because you don't agree with their views doesn't give you the right to want them to fuck off

[Kmac84]

Those comments from Sillars are imo anger at what he see been done.  This referendum was about the will of the Scottish people.  Neo-Liberals should not have been part of it and the PM calling in favours from his friends to put out scare stories backed up by State Media is a disgrace.  

There is much anger in Scotland just now, and there will be more anger post the referendum if its a no vote and we see further cuts and retention of powers at Westminister.  

Why aren't neo liberals allowed to be part of it?  Do you think only Scottish people loyal to the supreme leader should be allowed to vote?

Why does adding neo in front of everything give me bad connotations? Is neo always bad, I thought it just meant new

Probably because it is bad.  The common good and the needs of the people should come before privatisation and deregulation.  

[Somerled]

Amazing

http://www.scotsman.com/scottish-independence/jim-sillars-warns-of-day-of-reckoning-for-bp-banks-after-yes-vote/

Sillars is the first nationalist to say, in public, that an separate Scotland would seek vengeance on companies who supported 'no'.

not sure that is too wise!

Sillar's isn't a Nationalist he's Labour, Socialist and Internationalist. 

I don't like how anyone supporting independence is automatically judged to be a nationalist.  The real nationalists in this debate are the Brits who value their union above all else. 

How can a former deputy leader of the SNP not be a Nationalist?

If you don't think what he said is vile then our country is in serious  bother.

[Jon MW]

kmac i admire your relentless campaiging.  Can i ask you a question?  How much worse off financially would you be happy Scotland to become under independence before you changed to voting No?

I would never vote no.  I believe in Sovereignty.  Scotland should, like England, Wales and Northern Ireland be independent.  We have no need for Metropolitan Millionaire public schoolboys tellingus how to run our country.  

What about Cornwall, Yorkshire, East Anglia, Brittany, Burgundy or any other of the thousands of regions within Europe which have a distinct regional identity?

My initial feelings were that Scotland should be independent because of the basic principle of self-rule - but when you look into European history you see the fact that Scotland (or any other region) is thought of as a distinct entity is largely down to chance. With that in mind any random sub-division or coalition of areas should really just be down to the demand for it and, crucially, the economic benefit derived from it.

[Kmac84]

Those comments from Sillars are imo anger at what he see been done.  This referendum was about the will of the Scottish people.  Neo-Liberals should not have been part of it and the PM calling in favours from his friends to put out scare stories backed up by State Media is a disgrace. 

There is much anger in Scotland just now, and there will be more anger post the referendum if its a no vote and we see further cuts and retention of powers at Westminister. 

Why aren't neo liberals allowed to be part of it?  Do you think only Scottish people loyal to the supreme leader should be allowed to vote?

Who is the supreme leader?

Scoland has by itsnature no need for neo-liberals. That's not to say there aren't  any here but hopefully they would be elsewhere with independence.

its a democracy? if there are right wing Scots, which they are, of course they can be part in Scotland whether independent or not...

just because you don't agree with their views doesn't give you the right to want them to fuck off

There are and they should be chased.  Their greed, corruption and interests are generally against the needs of the people.  

People should come before profit.  

[TightEnd]

Those comments from Sillars are imo anger at what he see been done.  This referendum was about the will of the Scottish people.  Neo-Liberals should not have been part of it and the PM calling in favours from his friends to put out scare stories backed up by State Media is a disgrace. 

There is much anger in Scotland just now, and there will be more anger post the referendum if its a no vote and we see further cuts and retention of powers at Westminister. 

Why aren't neo liberals allowed to be part of it?  Do you think only Scottish people loyal to the supreme leader should be allowed to vote?

Why does adding neo in front of everything give me bad connotations? Is neo always bad, I thought it just meant new

Probably because it is bad.  The common good and the needs of the people should come before privatisation and deregulation. 

this is why left wing governments fail. too many demands for money, not enough deregulation

[doubleup]

Why does adding neo in front of everything give me bad connotations? Is neo always bad, I thought it just meant new

It generally means the (more extreme?) revival of something that was tried in the past and by implication attacks what has occurred since.

[arbboy]

kmac i admire your relentless campaiging.  Can i ask you a question?  How much worse off financially would you be happy Scotland to become under independence before you changed to voting No?

I would never vote no.  I believe in Sovereignty.  Scotland should, like England, Wales and Northern Ireland be independent.  We have no need for Metropolitan Millionaire public schoolboys tellingus how to run our country.  

What about Cornwall, Yorkshire, East Anglia, Brittany, Burgundy or any other of the thousands of regions within Europe which have a distinct regional identity?

My initial feelings were that Scotland should be independent because of the basic principle of self-rule - but when you look into European history you see the fact that Scotland (or any other region) is thought of as a distinct entity is largely down to chance. With that in mind any random sub-division or coalition of areas should really just be down to the demand for it and, crucially, the economic benefit derived from it.

Several of my family in aberdeen would like Aberdeen to become independent from the rest of Scotland.

[ForthThistle]

My tuppence Worth.
http://www.commentisntfree.com/an-open-letter-to-my-friends-in-labour/

[Kmac84]

Amazing

http://www.scotsman.com/scottish-independence/jim-sillars-warns-of-day-of-reckoning-for-bp-banks-after-yes-vote/

Sillars is the first nationalist to say, in public, that an separate Scotland would seek vengeance on companies who supported 'no'.

not sure that is too wise!

Sillar's isn't a Nationalist he's Labour, Socialist and Internationalist. 

I don't like how anyone supporting independence is automatically judged to be a nationalist.  The real nationalists in this debate are the Brits who value their union above all else. 

How can a former deputy leader of the SNP not be a Nationalist?

If you don't think what he said is vile then our country is in serious  bother.

Depends on your definition of Nationalism. The SNP are further to the left than any other mainstream party in Scotland.  It could be argues they were further to the left when Sillars first joined, remembering he was convinced to do so following his split from the SLP.  Sillars is on record as saying he would vote for Labour in an independent Scotland.  The fact that the SNP's flagship policy is independence does not mean everyone in the party is a Nationalist.  I support independence and I am most definitely not a Nationalist.  

I don't think that threatening big business who have obstructed the free will of the Scottish people is vile.  Perhaps if we had politicians at Westminister who acted in the interest of the people and not themselves and millionaire pals this referendum could have been avoided.  

[DungBeetle]

My tuppence Worth.
http://www.commentisntfree.com/an-open-letter-to-my-friends-in-labour/

Only had time to read the first few paragraphs so far, but will definitely re-visit over the weekend!

[Kmac84]

kmac i admire your relentless campaiging.  Can i ask you a question?  How much worse off financially would you be happy Scotland to become under independence before you changed to voting No?

I would never vote no.  I believe in Sovereignty.  Scotland should, like England, Wales and Northern Ireland be independent.  We have no need for Metropolitan Millionaire public schoolboys tellingus how to run our country.  

What about Cornwall, Yorkshire, East Anglia, Brittany, Burgundy or any other of the thousands of regions within Europe which have a distinct regional identity?

My initial feelings were that Scotland should be independent because of the basic principle of self-rule - but when you look into European history you see the fact that Scotland (or any other region) is thought of as a distinct entity is largely down to chance. With that in mind any random sub-division or coalition of areas should really just be down to the demand for it and, crucially, the economic benefit derived from it.

Scotland is a nation not a region.  However, I would be willing to explore more self governance for regional areas.