The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[nirvana]

The EU response yesterday seemed eminently reasonable to me. Saw a Belgian MEP talk about how they had to talk Macron away from some silly ideas.

Farage thinks like me which is a bit of a worry. Thinks there should be a vote in Parliament next week to revoke or leave on the 29th. Keegan like I would love it if 330 or so MPs were forced to revoke now.

Feels like we're inexorably headed to the softest of brexits in 9 months time.. Or more likely, people get behind the Blair view that eventually the only option will be so soft that any sensible person would choose remain over the ultra soft option.

[dakky]

Seems EU are now working on the basis that the deal wont pass next week...........so they are looking at a short extension that isnt conditional.

 Maybe this gives time for indicative votes?.....and something like a soft brexit/Norway deal will win through.


Taken the 8/1 May is replaced in May 

Betfair are odds on May leaves before we leave the EU.  Remarkable.

You can still get 1.02 on "will article 50 be extended" which I don't understand

[kukushkin88]

Seems EU are now working on the basis that the deal wont pass next week...........so they are looking at a short extension that isnt conditional.

 Maybe this gives time for indicative votes?.....and something like a soft brexit/Norway deal will win through.


Taken the 8/1 May is replaced in May 

Betfair are odds on May leaves before we leave the EU.  Remarkable.

You can still get 1.02 on "will article 50 be extended" which I don't understand

It’s on the big side for sure but I’d be reluctant to wade in. Until we get to 30/03/2019, there’s some scope for uncertainty/differing interpretations. If MV3 did get through next week, she would be desperate imo to row back on the extension.

[ripple11]

Seems EU are now working on the basis that the deal wont pass next week...........so they are looking at a short extension that isnt conditional.

 Maybe this gives time for indicative votes?.....and something like a soft brexit/Norway deal will win through.


Taken the 8/1 May is replaced in May 

Betfair are odds on May leaves before we leave the EU.  Remarkable.

You can still get 1.02 on "will article 50 be extended" which I don't understand

It’s on the big side for sure but I’d be reluctant to wade in. Until we get to 30/03/2019, there’s some scope for uncertainty/differing interpretations. If MV3 did get through next week, she would be desperate imo to row back on the extension.

......or maybe she says "sod it" and writes the letter to revoke 

[kukushkin88]

Seems EU are now working on the basis that the deal wont pass next week...........so they are looking at a short extension that isnt conditional.

 Maybe this gives time for indicative votes?.....and something like a soft brexit/Norway deal will win through.


Taken the 8/1 May is replaced in May 

Betfair are odds on May leaves before we leave the EU.  Remarkable.

You can still get 1.02 on "will article 50 be extended" which I don't understand

It’s on the big side for sure but I’d be reluctant to wade in. Until we get to 30/03/2019, there’s some scope for uncertainty/differing interpretations. If MV3 did get through next week, she would be desperate imo to row back on the extension.

......or maybe she says "sod it" and writes the letter to revoke 

Allowing for the obvious claims of recency bias......she’d go from 2nd worst PM so far to one of the better ones in a stroke.

[MANTIS01]

Can’t help thinking revoke sets a fabulously dangerous precedent for global affairs

Once you join there is simply no way out. Even if your people want to leave it is simply not an option.

Need to think about what this means regards freedom and democracy, balance of power in the future, even if those notions are purely conceptual

Doesn’t sit well with me and makes membership for future countries a remarkably crucial decision. Life means life baby.

[doubleup]

Can’t help thinking revoke sets a fabulously dangerous precedent for global affairs

ha ha ^infinity

Have you studied any history at all?

[MANTIS01]

Can’t help thinking revoke sets a fabulously dangerous precedent for global affairs

ha ha ^infinity

Have you studied any history at all?

Yes extensively

My particular specialty is war of the roses and tudor period, love that stuff

[Marky147]

Kathleeen Turner used to be a right sort.

[kukushkin88]

Can’t help thinking revoke sets a fabulously dangerous precedent for global affairs

Once you join there is simply no way out. Even if your people want to leave it is simply not an option.

Need to think about what this means regards freedom and democracy, balance of power in the future, even if those notions are purely conceptual

Doesn’t sit well with me and makes membership for future countries a remarkably crucial decision. Life means life baby.

I understand why it appears to be concerning. The EU haven’t made leaving the EU hard though, leaving the EU is hard because being a member of the EU confers huge benefits.

The revocation following the ECJ ruling is entirely up to the UK.

[aaron1867]

Hilarious having seen Brexit voters shout down a PV, a genuine chance to push Brexit through. Now they are all facing the reality of the whole thing being revoked.

[kukushkin88]

Hilarious having seen Brexit voters shout down a PV, a genuine chance to push Brexit through. Now they are all facing the reality of the whole thing being revoked.

Incredibly soft Brexit is still highly likely, nothing to celebrate yet. I guess I do feel more optimistic though as well. Agreed the Brexiteer meltdowns are comedy.

[MANTIS01]

So we hold a referendum to decide whether to bring back the death penalty

The country decide that’s not what we want to do

But we start hanging people anyway and the minority celebrate

Haha comedy

[kukushkin88]

So we hold a referendum to decide whether to bring back the death penalty

The country decide that’s not what we want to do

But we start hanging people anyway and the minority celebrate

Haha comedy

Cameron made an extraordinary mistake. If one good thing comes out of this, hopefully there’ll never be another referendum. We can go back to representative democracy (a switch to PR would be cool). The most important thing of all though is having an electorate that better understands the issues, I’m not sure how we do that, investment in education seems like a good plan.

[kukushkin88]

So we hold a referendum to decide whether to bring back the death penalty

The country decide that’s not what we want to do

But we start hanging people anyway and the minority celebrate

Haha comedy

On the death penalty, the person the Blonde alt-right wanted to kill (Jodie Chesney case) is 16. Do you still want him dead now we know he’s a child?