The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[TightEnd]

furthermore fixed term parliament, and its unlikely the conservative party (nothing if not pragmatic, likes winning elections) puts the next 3 years at risk by completely imploding

so cameron goes, you get boris/gove/leadsom whoever....

and labour want that?

Tbf, one Tory **** (politicians) is much like another

Thats not true though, and pretty glib to say so

big difference between a one nation centrist and a real right winger

[nirvana]

furthermore fixed term parliament, and its unlikely the conservative party (nothing if not pragmatic, likes winning elections) puts the next 3 years at risk by completely imploding

so cameron goes, you get boris/gove/leadsom whoever....

and labour want that?

and just now

Tom Watson to Labour voters: "Don’t use this vote to punish the Government... The consequences are almost worse than a general election."

Yah - I don't like him

[nirvana]

furthermore fixed term parliament, and its unlikely the conservative party (nothing if not pragmatic, likes winning elections) puts the next 3 years at risk by completely imploding

so cameron goes, you get boris/gove/leadsom whoever....

and labour want that?

Tbf, one Tory **** (politicians) is much like another

Thats not true though, and pretty glib to say so

big difference between a one nation centrist and a real right winger

Is there really ? Are there Fascists in the Tory party ?

[TightEnd]

furthermore fixed term parliament, and its unlikely the conservative party (nothing if not pragmatic, likes winning elections) puts the next 3 years at risk by completely imploding

so cameron goes, you get boris/gove/leadsom whoever....

and labour want that?

Tbf, one Tory **** (politicians) is much like another

Thats not true though, and pretty glib to say so

big difference between a one nation centrist and a real right winger

Is there really ? Are there Fascists in the Tory party ?

yes there is and no there aren't

i think you must be trolling. going to leave you to it. trying to make sensible points here! ;-)

[nirvana]

tbf, you quoted Boris, Leadsom, Gove who've all held high(ish) offices in the Tory party to make your point - I'm not trolling, I'm asking you to substantiate the difference between Gove and Cameron who were quite pally till quite recently. You don't have to, i'm sure there's more fun things to do

[nirvana]

Also pretty legitimate to ask the Tory leadership to say why they put a referendum in the manifesto without also qualifying the manifesto with 'the entire manifesto is subject to a 'remain' vote.'

This seems morally and politically bankrupt to me

[neeko]

Also pretty legitimate to ask the Tory leadership to say why they put a referendum in the manifesto without also qualifying the manifesto with 'the entire manifesto is subject to a 'remain' vote.'

This seems morally and politically bankrupt to me

Does anyone believe anything in a manifesto, either those writing it or those supposed to be reading it.

It's only there for the opposition to use it as a stick to beat the other side with for the next 5 years.

[neeko]

Back to decimate - you learn something new everyday. Turns out (as below from http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2012/09/does-decimate-mean-destroy-one-tenth/) decimate is a contronym - which means something and it's exact opposite.

"Most people have a linguistic pet peeve or two, a useful complaint about language that they can sound off about to show other people that they know how to wield the English language. Most of these peeves tend to be rather irrational, a quality which should in no way diminish the enjoyment of the complainer. A classic example of this is the word decimate.

The complaint about the word typically centers on the fact that decimate is used improperly to refer to ‘destroying a large portion of something’, when the ‘true’ meaning of the word is ‘to put to death (or punish) one of every ten’.

There are several problems with this complaint. The first, and most obvious, is that language has an ineluctable desire to change, and there are almost no words in English which have been around for more than a few hundred years without taking on new meanings, changing their old ones, or coming to simultaneously mean one thing and the opposite (a type of word known as a contronym)."

Anyway back to foreigners coming over here giving us words we don't know how to use. The EU is to blame for the Romans isn't it?

[JohnCharver]

Back to decimate - you learn something new everyday. Turns out (as below from http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2012/09/does-decimate-mean-destroy-one-tenth/) decimate is a contronym - which means something and it's exact opposite.

"Most people have a linguistic pet peeve or two, a useful complaint about language that they can sound off about to show other people that they know how to wield the English language. Most of these peeves tend to be rather irrational, a quality which should in no way diminish the enjoyment of the complainer. A classic example of this is the word decimate.

The complaint about the word typically centers on the fact that decimate is used improperly to refer to ‘destroying a large portion of something’, when the ‘true’ meaning of the word is ‘to put to death (or punish) one of every ten’.

There are several problems with this complaint. The first, and most obvious, is that language has an ineluctable desire to change, and there are almost no words in English which have been around for more than a few hundred years without taking on new meanings, changing their old ones, or coming to simultaneously mean one thing and the opposite (a type of word known as a contronym)."

Anyway back to foreigners coming over here giving us words we don't know how to use. The EU is to blame for the Romans isn't it?

You offered us nearly 10pc reduction in crime, you cannot even promise us 10pc for removal of 87pc of the prison population. We should leave because I have deliberately mistook what you have said for my own arguments benefit. Pretty much all of the arguments from both sides are covered by this process?

Can we not have an option to put all politicians on a boat and sink it and actually be ruled by our superiors? Bring back the Romans imo, the infrastructure improvements were worth a few rapings. Vote Roman

[Tal]

My "someone is talking about language" alarm went off.

Back to decimate - you learn something new everyday. Turns out (as below from http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2012/09/does-decimate-mean-destroy-one-tenth/) decimate is a contronym - which means something and it's exact opposite.

"Most people have a linguistic pet peeve or two, a useful complaint about language that they can sound off about to show other people that they know how to wield the English language. Most of these peeves tend to be rather irrational, a quality which should in no way diminish the enjoyment of the complainer. A classic example of this is the word decimate.

The complaint about the word typically centers on the fact that decimate is used improperly to refer to ‘destroying a large portion of something’, when the ‘true’ meaning of the word is ‘to put to death (or punish) one of every ten’.

There are several problems with this complaint. The first, and most obvious, is that language has an ineluctable desire to change, and there are almost no words in English which have been around for more than a few hundred years without taking on new meanings, changing their old ones, or coming to simultaneously mean one thing and the opposite (a type of word known as a contronym)."

Anyway back to foreigners coming over here giving us words we don't know how to use. The EU is to blame for the Romans isn't it?

A good point.

I will note that article doesn't say decimate is a contronym; it says it has meant both killing every tenth soldier and tithing (which is giving 10% of what you own to the church). That's just two meanings, rather than them actually conflicting.

A contronym would be like "left", which can mean both "stayed behind" and "went away", or "go", which can be both "fail" and "succeed". 30 years ago, wicked and bad were all the rage and we use fantastic now to mean only things which are very good, when it would have been used as an insult a few hundred years ago.

Decimate comes from the third conjugation of the latin noun (as all those english words ending "-ation" do), the noun being decimo and the conjugation being decimat.

Nowadays, decimate is used to refer to a huge loss of something, rather than a scientific measure. Myriad is similar (where we now have two versions: a myriad of things and myriad things, the first meaning 10,000 and the second just a lot).

Most recently, literally now has a definition meaning its opposite. "The defender is literally on fire right now"

That is just the evolution of language. It was a neat joke, anyway, about the prisoners. Let the pedants ped, as that great Centurion, Tikamus Foldimus Maximus, would say.

Anyway, I will leave you all to your debate.

[TightEnd]

Revenge of the betrayed: Abandoned by the metropolitan political elite, their lives utterly changed by mass migration, Labour's northern heartlands could swing it for Brexit

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3636164/Revenge-betrayed-Abandoned-metropolitan-political-elite-lives-utterly-changed-mass-migration-Labour-s-northern-heartlands-swing-Brexit.html#ixzz4BLk2nLiW

[TightEnd]

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[TightEnd]

This is a bit of a shocker isn't it?

(they deleted the poster off social media after the outcry)

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[Doobs]

This is a bit of a shocker isn't it?

(they deleted the poster off social media after the outcry)

Click to see full-size image.

Is this real?  They have managed to trump Trump for the most tactless expoitation of these people's deaths.    

[TightEnd]

This is a bit of a shocker isn't it?

(they deleted the poster off social media after the outcry)

Click to see full-size image.

Is this real?  They have managed to trump Trump for the most tactless expoitation of these people's deaths.   

it was real, from Farage's lot