The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

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Robert Peston ‏@Peston

Obvs UK politics surreal these days,but jeremycorbyn representing SNP & 1 Green, but not his party, in nuke debate takes a biscuit of sorts

[TightEnd]

this all comes from a noble tradition of rowing about nukes

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What is going on in Labour with Owen Smith vs Angela Eagle?

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/owen-smith-answer-labours-corbyn-problem/

one candidate expected to stand aside at 5pm today and leave a unity candidate to go against Corbyn

It appears the aim, rather than splitting, is to eat into the Corbyn lead this time then challenge again

the times poll rather throws that into doubt

Do the PLP have a plan B if Corbyn gets over 50% on the first ballot and wins?

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High Court to hear Brexit legal challenge http://dailym.ai/29QImYl

in case the last month wasn't odd enough, it is being brought by a London hairdresser

[nirvana]

Is Theresa May rowing back on ‘Brexit means Brexit’? – http://buff.ly/29CiPHl

Does this make sense?

Even though for the majority of businesses Brexit is going to be a bad thing, surely uncertainty is much worse.

We've got a PM who is hovering with her finger over the Article 50 button saying "I think I'm going to press it today, I really am....!"

Then saying "Nah, I don't feel like it today. I will definitely do it tomorrow though. Maybe."

Practically they aren't ready to invoke Article 50.

Have no negotiators, and the EU countries seem reluctant to discuss any frameworks ahead of invoking so its an awkward one

above that they need to know what they are looking for in a deal.

is restriction on free movement of labour key? is access to the single market key? how can you get both when free movement is a red line for the EU and single market access is key to UK business?

all round its a tough one, and probably uncertainty is a necessary bi-product of there being no preparations for this beforehand?

It isn't actually tough at all. For better or worse the electorate voted to be unconcerned about access to the single market but clear in wanting an end to free movement of exploitees.  Could be very simple

Now you are doing exactly what you are accusing sad Remain voters of doing - stating what the 17 million voters meant by their leave vote.

Boris Johnson's version of leave was very different to Michael Gove's which was very different to Nigel Farage's.

Which is why a binary leave/stay vote was so stupid.

99%+ of voters weren't qualified to make the choice. It seems like many in government aren't either, that's why they are putting off the decision.

Can't argue with any of that but we can ignore motivations and just go with the result to the, I agree, dumb grandstanding question. I'd pull the trigger on article 50 quicker than a hellmuth shove

[PokerBroker]

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72% of lab MPs voted for the government motion to replace trident subs

45 labour MPs voted against, 42 abstained

Corbyn voted against, thought to be the first occasion in parliamentary history that the leader of his party voted against his party's policy

Thornberry and Lewis, shadow foreign and defence secretaries, abstained!

The debate was car crash viewing as MP after MP interrupted Corbyn to ask him to put Labour party policy across in the debate and he refused. It was left to Lewis to do so to an almost empty chamber six hours into the debate

I guess not being a mother she lacks that common decency not to annihilate half the world!

[RickBFA]

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72% of lab MPs voted for the government motion to replace trident subs

45 labour MPs voted against, 42 abstained

Corbyn voted against, thought to be the first occasion in parliamentary history that the leader of his party voted against his party's policy

Thornberry and Lewis, shadow foreign and defence secretaries, abstained!

The debate was car crash viewing as MP after MP interrupted Corbyn to ask him to put Labour party policy across in the debate and he refused. It was left to Lewis to do so to an almost empty chamber six hours into the debate

I guess not being a mother she lacks that common decency not to annihilate half the world!

Pretty standard answer from May (she aint stupid).

Corbyn on the other hand........

[TightEnd]

Eagle withdraws, with no egrets.About 25 votes behind Smith in the vote so stepped aside to provide one unity candidate to lose to Corbyn

[nirvana]

Eagle withdraws, with no egrets.About 25 votes behind Smith in the vote so stepped aside to provide one unity candidate to lose to Corbyn

Made me lol

[Tal]

Preferred no egrets myself.

Eyrie silence...

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Preferred no egrets myself.

Eyrie silence...

Excellent work from both of you. You big jesses.

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Mind you, you'll never have a raptor audience.

[DaveShoelace]

Poor old Angela started her campaign like this



And ended it like this

[aaron1867]

Who are Labour voters going to vote for in the next GE if they dislike Corbyn?