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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
Conservative - 19 (33.9%)
Labour - 12 (21.4%)
SNP - 2 (3.6%)
Lib Dem - 8 (14.3%)
Brexit - 1 (1.8%)
Green - 6 (10.7%)
Other - 2 (3.6%)
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« Reply #8985 on: May 31, 2017, 01:00:54 PM »

If polls hadn't tightened, Corbyn's move would be seen as desperate. But with Labour's momentum, means it's seen as bold. good move

May might be crap in the format, but think its a big mistake not to attend. part of this is the whole media village has self-interest in her turning up, so doubt there will be many voices standing up for her beforehand
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« Reply #8986 on: May 31, 2017, 01:00:56 PM »

I think if Corbyn shows up to the debate tonight I'll go and put some money on him winning the election. If he doesn't, I think Theresea has this. Seems too much to me like Corbyn is following May on the whole let's not debate thing (well if you won't do it, I won't!) but this is a spot for him to start becoming a leader in the public's eyes rather than a follower.

Get your money on because he's just announced he'll turn up.

Do you think this is a good move. I think it probably is.distances him from the silly presidential style campaign the tories have tried to run and I think the more people see him the more popular he becomes. Rudds form from the brexit debates is not good I think..her personal attacks on Boris just looked silly and shrill. Maybe she'll be better this time.

Initially I didn't think it was, as the risk was that he could hand May an advantage through a terrible performance but, given Monday's debate, that's not such a risk. Also, the fact that the Tories will be there through Rudd gives him a super easy attack line to use again and again, namely:

And just keep asking Rudd who are you and why are you here?
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« Reply #8987 on: May 31, 2017, 01:25:49 PM »

If May can't debate against 6 peers who mostly want the same as her in terms of what is best for the country how can she be trusted to negotiate the "best Brexit" or are we conceding that she is going to be a bloody difficult woman and will walk away with no deal?
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« Reply #8988 on: May 31, 2017, 01:45:14 PM »


Pretty much summed up by the bloke who asked the pensions question to her on Monday, in the interview afterwards.  Didn't really like her answer, but will most likely still vote for her.
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« Reply #8989 on: May 31, 2017, 01:51:13 PM »

YouGov's poll predicting a hung parliament is certainly brave

The polling firm is employing a new ‘controversial’ methodology only 10 days before the general election

(seems a good try to do it,not)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/31/yougov-poll-predicting-hung-parliament-brave?CMP=twt_gu

With their links to the Conservative party, they surely will consider this a strategic move.  It'll be interesting to see how it goes. Seems like it could backfire and provide yet more momentum.
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« Reply #8990 on: May 31, 2017, 01:59:46 PM »


Would we ever see a LAB/SNP/LIB coalition?

sure.

May has the most seats, can't find a coalition partner, tries to go with a tory minority government on a vote supply basis ad hoc

this fails. 

corbyn rings up sturgeon and farron, sdlp, plaid and the greens and says "230+50+15+5+3+1 = 300+" lets have a progressive alliance, you all get a seat in the cabinet and lets go for it

all good fun. fk knows what sort of brexit we get and whom would negotiate it ,but great fun

or we just get a second election.like 1974 when heath went for a tactical election, blew the majority on questionable tactics (sound familiar?),did a minoirty govt for six months then lost to wilson later in the year

 

But Lib Dems specifically ruled this out in their manifesto.  Given the damage on tuition fees from last time, they potentially shoot themselves in the foot again by signing up to it.

It's less controversial than tuition fees, for sure, but it would still be a blatant breach of a manifesto pledge.
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« Reply #8991 on: May 31, 2017, 02:54:04 PM »

I think the lib dems will be hoping to be not be put in a situation like the Yougov poll is predicting where a coalition can be formed with the 10 or so MP's they are predicted to get are crucial. As if they refuse to form a coalition, a government is likely to be forced back to yet another election where they would be likely to sustain further losses. Rock and a hard place.
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« Reply #8992 on: May 31, 2017, 03:22:14 PM »

Whoever is running the cons campaign has made a serious mis-step by not having TM go to the debates tonight. Seems like a really bad move not to be there and puts a element of doubt into the mantra of being able to negotiate well for Bexit when you can't even go to a public debate.
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« Reply #8993 on: May 31, 2017, 03:57:32 PM »

May is clumsy. In reply to questions about her absence she said something along the lines that Corbyn should spend less time on TV appearances and more time thinking about Brexit negotiations. Er..she thinks he'll be the one negotiating Brexit.
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« Reply #8994 on: May 31, 2017, 04:00:17 PM »

Pretty sure the Tory campaign is a remain plot to thwart Brexit
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« Reply #8995 on: May 31, 2017, 04:41:47 PM »

Tory candidates speak out about the "clusterfuck" of Theresa May's campaign

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-election-error-polls_uk_592ecc58e4b0540ffc834f06

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« Reply #8996 on: May 31, 2017, 04:42:19 PM »

Big market move for No Overall Majority gathering pace. Just matched at 6.8, down from a peak of 36.

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« Reply #8997 on: May 31, 2017, 04:42:52 PM »

Brussels prepared to postpone start of Brexit talks if Jeremy Corbyn becomes Prime Minister http://bit.ly/2qAU8Q2

This is significant as key May argument is that whoever wins next week will only have 11 days to prepare for Brexit negotiations.
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« Reply #8998 on: May 31, 2017, 04:44:32 PM »

fuck knows what is going on with the polls part 23

Kantar Public:

CON 43 (+1)
LAB 33 (-1)
LD 11 (+2)
UKIP 4 (=)
GRN 3 (-1)
SNP 4 (=)

 25th-30th May

N=1,199

http://uk.kantar.com/ge2017/2017/despite-being-trusted-most-on-the-nhs-labour-remain-behind-in-the-polls/



% who trust CON / LAB on...

NHS: 21 / 34
Economy: 33 / 23
Brexit: 36 / 16
Security: 34 / 16
Immigration: 25 / 19
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« Reply #8999 on: May 31, 2017, 04:45:30 PM »

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How does party performance on each attribute compare between Labour and Conservative?

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