The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[ripple11]

The government should have listened to the rebels, not tried to crush them says

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/12/breaking-government-defeated-on-brexit-vote/

Brexit is fucked now, EU has all the cards. They now have full incentive to give the shitest deal possible knowing that it will go to a vote (They don’t want us to leave we are a big asset to them) and why would parliament vote in a shit deal?

They should just tell the EU to go and fuck themselves when they start being pricks in the next round.

There will be violence on the streets when it becomes more apparent. 

but you could say, as we are leaving, come what mrs.may .....the EU realize a sensible deal is good for them too (brexit money/trade/security/harmony for citizens etc)  So surely give her a deal she can get through Parliament? #nothingisagreeduntil.....

We're not making a hash of it. They don't hold all the cards. Both sides of the negotiation don't exist in a vacuum. Parliament having a final vote seems manifestly ok irrespective of the motivations of those seeking it.the ongoing lack of integrity or grownupness on all sides remains mildly irritating.

agreed

[Woodsey]

The government should have listened to the rebels, not tried to crush them says

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/12/breaking-government-defeated-on-brexit-vote/

Brexit is fucked now, EU has all the cards. They now have full incentive to give the shitest deal possible knowing that it will go to a vote (They don’t want us to leave we are a big asset to them) and why would parliament vote in a shit deal?

They should just tell the EU to go and fuck themselves when they start being pricks in the next round.

There will be violence on the streets when it becomes more apparent. 

but you could say, as we are leaving, come what mrs.may .....the EU realize a sensible deal is good for them too (brexit money/trade/security/harmony for citizens etc)  So surely give her a deal she can get through Parliament? #nothingisagreeduntil.....

We're not making a hash of it. They don't hold all the cards. Both sides of the negotiation don't exist in a vacuum. Parliament having a final vote seems manifestly ok irrespective of the motivations of those seeking it.the ongoing lack of integrity or grownupness on all sides remains mildly irritating.

agreed

I hope that’s true mate, I really do....

Unfortunately I simply don’t trust the EU (and the remoaners) not to be plotting a way to keep us in.

[RED-DOG]

The government should have listened to the rebels, not tried to crush them says

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/12/breaking-government-defeated-on-brexit-vote/

Brexit is fucked now, EU has all the cards. They now have full incentive to give the shitest deal possible knowing that it will go to a vote (They don’t want us to leave we are a big asset to them) and why would parliament vote in a shit deal?

They should just tell the EU to go and fuck themselves when they start being pricks in the next round.

There will be violence on the streets when it becomes more apparent. 

but you could say, as we are leaving, come what mrs.may .....the EU realize a sensible deal is good for them too (brexit money/trade/security/harmony for citizens etc)  So surely give her a deal she can get through Parliament? #nothingisagreeduntil.....

We're not making a hash of it. They don't hold all the cards. Both sides of the negotiation don't exist in a vacuum. Parliament having a final vote seems manifestly ok irrespective of the motivations of those seeking it.the ongoing lack of integrity or grownupness on all sides remains mildly irritating.

agreed

Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.

[nirvana]

The government should have listened to the rebels, not tried to crush them says

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/12/breaking-government-defeated-on-brexit-vote/

Brexit is fucked now, EU has all the cards. They now have full incentive to give the shitest deal possible knowing that it will go to a vote (They don’t want us to leave we are a big asset to them) and why would parliament vote in a shit deal?

They should just tell the EU to go and fuck themselves when they start being pricks in the next round.

There will be violence on the streets when it becomes more apparent. 

but you could say, as we are leaving, come what mrs.may .....the EU realize a sensible deal is good for them too (brexit money/trade/security/harmony for citizens etc)  So surely give her a deal she can get through Parliament? #nothingisagreeduntil.....

We're not making a hash of it. They don't hold all the cards. Both sides of the negotiation don't exist in a vacuum. Parliament having a final vote seems manifestly ok irrespective of the motivations of those seeking it.the ongoing lack of integrity or grownupness on all sides remains mildly irritating.

agreed

I hope that’s true mate, I really do....

Unfortunately I simply don’t trust the EU (and the remoaners) not to be plotting a way to keep us in.

That's not quite what I said. I think there are massive vested interests as well as plenty of genuine ordinary remainers working to keep us in. I just think it's consistent and fine for parliament to vote on it before the final execution of us leaving.

[RoyCropper]

A large % of UK business leaders/labour party/conservative party and the whole of the Lib Democrats will be plotting to gradually derail Brexit and why not - its what they believe to be in the best interests of the whole UK.

Polls suggest a referendum vote now would see a small majority for remain. I would suggest a referendum would see a massive swing to remain with a large % of former leave voters now voting remain but not admitting so to pollsters/friends or family.

My own experience of having spoken to many dozen leave voters was that their general attitude before the referendum was that they wanted to protest, were angry, wanted full sovereignty and were particularly unhappy about the levels of immigration. I now get the impression that they are mostly aware of the blatant lies and nonsense spouted by the extremely odd bunch of leave politicians before that referendum and realise that the whole situation is a complete `mess' that they didn't anticipate and that economically is was clearly a mistake.

Why are leavers so against a 2nd referendum when the people would be far more aware of all the variables involved and clear pointers to what it will cost, how it would be implemented and how costly it would be economically.

[TightEnd]

an interesting read

Why is British politics so volatile at the moment?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/12/the-age-of-volatility/

[TightEnd]

Theresa May is looking weak again - and she only has herself to blame

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/12/theresa-may-should-have-backed-down-in-her-brexit-battle-with-parliament/

[TightEnd]

Jeremy Corbyn has received the Seán MacBride Peace Prize from the International Peace Bureau. Whether you support or oppose his politics, there's no doubt that his long-standing contributions to the promotion of peace have helped make the world safer.

http://www.ipb.org/events/macbride-peace-prize-to-jeremy-corbyn/

http://www.ipb.org/multimedia/jeremy-corbyn-on-nuclear-weapons-disarmament-and-security-issues/

After a week of online complaints that no one is covering Corbyn winning a peace prize that no one at Labour even bothered to press release, the papers have covered it. And this is the headline (accepting it is the daily mail,but still...).

"Jeremy Corbyn wins peace prize named after former IRA leader"

probably why they didn't press release it!

[RickBFA]

Jeremy Corbyn has received the Seán MacBride Peace Prize from the International Peace Bureau. Whether you support or oppose his politics, there's no doubt that his long-standing contributions to the promotion of peace have helped make the world safer.

http://www.ipb.org/events/macbride-peace-prize-to-jeremy-corbyn/

http://www.ipb.org/multimedia/jeremy-corbyn-on-nuclear-weapons-disarmament-and-security-issues/

After a week of online complaints that no one is covering Corbyn winning a peace prize that no one at Labour even bothered to press release, the papers have covered it. And this is the headline (accepting it is the daily mail,but still...).

"Jeremy Corbyn wins peace prize named after former IRA leader"

probably why they didn't press release it!

 

I'm sure if he were on the back bench he would have loved to promote the fact he'd won the prize.

Not too keen now though.

[Doobs]

Jeremy Corbyn has received the Seán MacBride Peace Prize from the International Peace Bureau. Whether you support or oppose his politics, there's no doubt that his long-standing contributions to the promotion of peace have helped make the world safer.

http://www.ipb.org/events/macbride-peace-prize-to-jeremy-corbyn/

http://www.ipb.org/multimedia/jeremy-corbyn-on-nuclear-weapons-disarmament-and-security-issues/

After a week of online complaints that no one is covering Corbyn winning a peace prize that no one at Labour even bothered to press release, the papers have covered it. And this is the headline (accepting it is the daily mail,but still...).

"Jeremy Corbyn wins peace prize named after former IRA leader"

probably why they didn't press release it!

Or wins peace prize named after the co founder of Amnesty International and winner of the Nobel Peace Prize.

I would say there is a serious doubt that he has made the World a safer place.   

[TightEnd]

EU trade guidelines are out. Two year transition must include free movement say the EU. http://bit.ly/2AufvHy

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[TightEnd]

What are the actual “threats to Brexit”?

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/12/brexiteers-foolish-culture-war-could-lead-us-rejoining-eu

[TightEnd]

A two year Brexit transition period will not be long enough

The EU-Canada trade deal took seven years. Britain will need far longer than two to limit economic harm.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/12/two-year-brexit-transition-period-will-not-be-long-enough

[TightEnd]

Brexit is notable not just for the level of noise but for its flimsiness, says Matthew Parris

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/12/leave-brexit-alone-and-get-on-with-governing/

[TightEnd]

 This Is How The EU Will Play The Next Phase Of Brexit Talks

“The negotiations are in London not in Brussels.”

https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/theresa-may-has-survived-the-first-phase-of-brexit-talks?utm_term=.fgg9X8Zwg#.pcP7ylxzm