The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[TightEnd]

The Electoral Commission found the main Leave campaigns broke the law, and referred them to the Met.

So why has the police not opened an investigation, 5 months later?

(cliffs: political sensitivities)

one campaigner was moved to say "This is HUGE. Met police NOT investigating criminal behaviour by Leave campaigns. AFTER Electoral Commission rules they broke law and hands over evidence."

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/brexitinc/james-cusick-adam-ramsay/met-police-stall-brexit-campaign-investigations-claiming-polit

[TightEnd]

OBR likens no-deal Brexit impact to three-day week

The Office for Budget Responsibility raised the spectre of goods shortages and hoarding in the event of a 'disorderly' divorce.

https://news.sky.com/story/obr-likens-no-deal-brexit-impact-to-three-day-week-11523664

[TightEnd]

NEW:

29 no deal notices to be published at 2pm

[Pokerpops]

OBR likens no-deal Brexit impact to three-day week

The Office for Budget Responsibility raised the spectre of goods shortages and hoarding in the event of a 'disorderly' divorce.

https://news.sky.com/story/obr-likens-no-deal-brexit-impact-to-three-day-week-11523664

You are being disingenuous here.


The independent Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) said those events - when the UK was hit by industrial disputes and energy shortages - did not provide a direct parallel with what could happen in a disorderly Brexit.


It also said that it was "next to impossible to calibrate" in advance what impact a no-deal might be likely to have..

So the accurate reading is that the OBR said that Brexit and the three-day week were not a parallel to a disorderly Brexit.

[TightEnd]

OBR likens no-deal Brexit impact to three-day week

The Office for Budget Responsibility raised the spectre of goods shortages and hoarding in the event of a 'disorderly' divorce.

https://news.sky.com/story/obr-likens-no-deal-brexit-impact-to-three-day-week-11523664

You are being disingenuous here.


The independent Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) said those events - when the UK was hit by industrial disputes and energy shortages - did not provide a direct parallel with what could happen in a disorderly Brexit.


It also said that it was "next to impossible to calibrate" in advance what impact a no-deal might be likely to have..

So the accurate reading is that the OBR said that Brexit and the three-day week were not a parallel to a disorderly Brexit.

Blame the newspaper sub-editor

When i link articles i usually c and p the social media as i did here

[TightEnd]

Government will try to replicate existing EU free trade deals with Canada, Japan, Korea dozens more in No Deal Brexit, “as far as possible” and “as soon as possible” after Brexit day, otherwise WTO tariffs will apply: Government new No Deal notices

that is a skynews headline

here is the light reading

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/existing-free-trade-agreements-if-theres-no-brexit-deal/existing-free-trade-agreements-if-theres-no-brexit-deal

[TightEnd]

Interconnectors consistently supply between 2 and 8% of UK daily energy needs.with two more coming online in 2019

"After March 2019 if there’s no deal European energy law will no longer apply to the UK and the UK’s electricity markets will be decoupled from the Internal Energy Market."

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/trading-electricity-if-theres-no-brexit-deal/trading-electricity-if-theres-no-brexit-deal

I am sure you won't want all 29 notices but there are the first couple

[TightEnd]

UK Busness Insider Exclusive:

"Theresa May given the weekend to change her backstop plan or face losing Andrea Leadsom, Esther McVey and Peddy Mordaunt from Cabinet

It is the litmus test for the taking back control... this is the killer moment"

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my thought: they want a firm date for transition to end. the current plan has the word "indefinitely" (which isn't permanent, but pretty close) in while they work out a NI solution.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/theresa-may-weekend-to-change-her-brexit-backstop-plan-and-avoid-cabinet-resignations-2018-10

[Doobs]

OBR likens no-deal Brexit impact to three-day week

The Office for Budget Responsibility raised the spectre of goods shortages and hoarding in the event of a 'disorderly' divorce.

https://news.sky.com/story/obr-likens-no-deal-brexit-impact-to-three-day-week-11523664

You are being disingenuous here.


The independent Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) said those events - when the UK was hit by industrial disputes and energy shortages - did not provide a direct parallel with what could happen in a disorderly Brexit.


It also said that it was "next to impossible to calibrate" in advance what impact a no-deal might be likely to have..

So the accurate reading is that the OBR said that Brexit and the three-day week were not a parallel to a disorderly Brexit.

Well they said that, but they also used the three day week as a comparator so people could envisage the possible effeft of Brexit. In the section on the 3 day week they say it resulted in a drop over a quarter of 3% of GDP, and later in the report they talk about a reduction in GDP of 3.7% over 5 years, but also say it could be worse.  So they are saying it isn't an exact parallel, given the timing differences, but the implication is the effect will be similar.

I think everything in your post appears to be accurate, but Tighty's post seems accurate enough too.  I dare say some newspaper's will be prone to misinterpretation and misreporting, but it seems a strange thing to attack Tighty over.

[Pokerpops]

OBR likens no-deal Brexit impact to three-day week

The Office for Budget Responsibility raised the spectre of goods shortages and hoarding in the event of a 'disorderly' divorce.

https://news.sky.com/story/obr-likens-no-deal-brexit-impact-to-three-day-week-11523664

You are being disingenuous here.


The independent Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) said those events - when the UK was hit by industrial disputes and energy shortages - did not provide a direct parallel with what could happen in a disorderly Brexit.


It also said that it was "next to impossible to calibrate" in advance what impact a no-deal might be likely to have..

So the accurate reading is that the OBR said that Brexit and the three-day week were not a parallel to a disorderly Brexit.

Well they said that, but they also used the three day week as a comparator so people could envisage the possible effeft of Brexit. In the section on the 3 day week they say it resulted in a drop over a quarter of 3% of GDP, and later in the report they talk about a reduction in GDP of 3.7% over 5 years, but also say it could be worse.  So they are saying it isn't an exact parallel, given the timing differences, but the implication is the effect will be similar.

I think everything in your post appears to be accurate, but Tighty's post seems accurate enough too.  I dare say some newspaper's will be prone to misinterpretation and misreporting, but it seems a strange thing to attack Tighty over.

I didn’t intend it to be an ‘attack’ on Tighty. But my use of the word disingenuous was out of line and I withdraw it. I’ll message him directly on this too.

I started from a position where I thought that Tighty added his own take on the articles he links to. I realise now that this is not the case.

Sorry Tighty.

[TightEnd]

"In hindsight was Britain right or wrong to vote to leave the EU?"

Right 40% (-2)
Wrong 47% (-)

Leavers 81% "right"
Remainers 88% "wrong"

18-24 56% "wrong"
Pensioners 61% "right"

Tories 72% "right"
Labour 69% "wrong"

YouGov Oct 8-9

[TightEnd]

"Capitulating to Brussels will be the easy part. After that, May must lie to the Brexiters, bully the remainers, and call the bluff of the Democratic Unionists.

As the Brexit circus enters its final month, here is its tightrope."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/12/theresa-may-party-desperate-gambler-brexit

[TightEnd]

UK government advice to companies like Airbus, Allianz, E.ON, SAP, and Schneider Electric in tech notices out today..... move your headquarters out of the United Kingdom to an EU member state.

I had to check this wasn't a joke

direct quote...

""They may also want to consider whether they wish to move their seat of incorporation to another EU member state. They will need to consider the relevant timeframes for either course of action."

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/structuring-your-business-if-theres-no-brexit-deal--2/structuring-your-business-if-theres-no-brexit-deal

[TightEnd]

Millions of consumers face immediate 'catastrophic' consequences from no-deal Brexit, says Which? (not me, live from my basement)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/no-deal-brexit-consumers-face-catastrophic-consequences-which-research-a8580131.html

[TightEnd]

"Is there a way out of the Brexit mess?" Bush runs through the possibilities.

"The odd thing about the Brexit crisis is all the possible resolutions feel impossible. "

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2018/10/there-way-out-brexit-mess