The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[kukushkin88]

What’s more whenever there’s been positive economic news we’ve been hit with the “yeah but we haven’t left yet” soundbite

Yet even though no deal was a million to one shot less than a fortnight ago we’re told the whole Q2 performance is affected by no deal horror

The view of people who understand the issues (for balance).

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/a86a489e-ba97-11e9-8a88-aa6628ac896c

[kukushkin88]

What repeatedly gets forgotten is that before the Referendum, project fear was in full swing. Worst case scenarios constantly quoted by Osborne, BofE, remain campaign etc and still the majority voted for leave.

People knew about the potential downsizes because it was constantly ramped down our throats.

The same people are out in force doing the same thing now - guess what - the majority thought the risks of the downside were worth it to get out of the EU.

Economic contraction in the short term was a known reality that was accepted as a price worth paying. 

Repeating and repeating the arguments about the downside are just a waste of time.

but still no suggestion of any actual upside to Brexit.

Always has been control of your own destiny for better or worse.

Whilst there will be pain even with a deal we will be outside a club which if history teaches us anything is going to fail in future. Euro currency will go tits up at some point first and the EU project with constant expansion of member countries and power/control will fail apart in time.

The EU are still shitting themselves that UK success away from the EU will be a disaster for their ideological project.

The upside is being disassociated from a clumsy, overly beauracratic, financially out of control, over-reaching, un-democratic EU.

The notable thing about all of them (hypothetical because they’re inaccurate) is that their negative impacts are at most negligible and aren’t actually measurable. Clumsy, over reaching and overly bureaucratic are all only your subjective opinion. It is absolutely democratic, very similar to the US and many consider that it’s much more democratic than a FPTP system. You say financially out of control but no one has ever credibly questioned that membership infers huge economic benefits.

[BigAdz]

Hilarious to see some of Brexiteers response to U.K. economy worst performance in years.

Ignore article content, say nothing to with Brexit, talk about masking laws. Rinse and repeat.

Genuinely love them showing themselves up as idiots.

Wonderfully balanced approach to name calling......

[BigAdz]

Seriously? He is facing tarffs of 40% on 80% of his business and he isn't bothered?  He doesn't sound very level headed at all, sounds like a moron in fact.

I'm sure he would swap your money for his in a heartbeat, he is that moronic.....

[engy]

Seriously? He is facing tarffs of 40% on 80% of his business and he isn't bothered?  He doesn't sound very level headed at all, sounds like a moron in fact.

I'm sure he would swap your money for his in a heartbeat, he is that moronic.....

As he swapped do you think he would say I'm considerably richer than yowwww

[TightEnd]

very interesting thread from RTE on Dublin's reading of the UK current positioning

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1159569582631399429?s=20

[TightEnd]

Marina Hyde

My bit on your week in Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/09/dominic-cummings-boris-johnson-brexit

[TightEnd]

fascinating, but complex

Can Parliament prevent a no-deal Brexit?

https://publiclawforeveryone.com/2019/08/08/can-parliament-prevent-a-no-deal-brexit/

[TightEnd]

💥 Remainers are finally getting their act together 💥 (but can't do much with Chocolate teapot Corbyn sadly)

this reveals:

- Lib Dems, Greens and Plaid Cymru announcing 30 joint candidates on Aug 15
- Sitting MPs won’t be challenged
- Another 30 candidates on Aug 22
- Final 40 candidates on Sep 6

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/08/the-remain-alliance-that-could-spoil-boris-johnsons-party/

[TightEnd]

Michael Gove has raised the prospect of holding a bank holiday on November 1 amid concerns that a no-deal Brexit would cause turmoil on the financial markets

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/michael-goves-big-idea-why-not-keep-banks-closed-day-after-brexit-xrjhdll5l

[TightEnd]

by Jo Maugham QC

"There is - still, just - a decent way forward for the country, for Leavers and Remainers, that protects democracy, restores national dignity, and that might bring us back together. I passionately believe this is it."

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-news-article-50-revoke-theresa-may-eu-merkel-deal-a8861191.html

[TightEnd]

No-deal Brexit branded 'an absolute disaster' by Tory minister George Freeman - ITV News

He said that if the UK were to leave the EU with no deal, & continued to trade on WTO terms, it would be an "absolute disaster".

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-08-09/no-deal-brexit-branded-an-absolute-disaster-by-tory-minister/

[TightEnd]

Trump is bad for the global economy; Brexit is bad for the UK economy, says Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz ON r4today

"Our leaders have misguided views and are throwing grenades into our economic systems."

[TightEnd]

Onwards to the sunlit uplands we go

"Boris Johnson is drawing up plans for a bailout fund that will prop up businesses in event of no-deal

He will hold discussions on plans - dubbed Operation Kingfisher - next week in Brexit war cabinet as part of plans to stop otherwise viable companies going bust"

[TightEnd]

Britain may be unable to prevent EU fishermen from entering UK waters illegally in the event of a no deal Brexit because there are not enough vessels to police the seas, an internal Government email has revealed.

another leak!

full details

https://twitter.com/KateEMcCann/status/1159887629611089921?s=20