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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
Conservative - 19 (33.9%)
Labour - 12 (21.4%)
SNP - 2 (3.6%)
Lib Dem - 8 (14.3%)
Brexit - 1 (1.8%)
Green - 6 (10.7%)
Other - 2 (3.6%)
Spoil - 0 (0%)
Not voting - 6 (10.7%)
Total Voters: 55

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« Reply #21660 on: October 22, 2019, 07:35:16 PM »

Government loses by 322 to 308 on the programme motion meaning Johnson now has to decide whether to accept a longer timetable for the bill or - as threatened - call an election
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« Reply #21661 on: October 22, 2019, 07:36:15 PM »

But at least the 30 vote majority for the bill itself was the first time a Brexit bill has passed parliament

They want to scrutinise though
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« Reply #21662 on: October 22, 2019, 07:38:41 PM »

Boris Johnson says he is pausing the legislation until the EU says how long the extension will be for

Oct 31 is a goner.
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« Reply #21663 on: October 22, 2019, 07:39:31 PM »

So both votes went as was widely predicted.

Meanwhile Varnier said that if the UK leaves with no deal it won't be his decision.

It sounds to me as though we're back to square one.
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« Reply #21664 on: October 22, 2019, 07:50:57 PM »

Far from it

heading for 3 month extension until Feb 2020 or maybe shorter. It can end early if deal ratified after scrutiny with possible new Brexits of Nov 15, Dec 1 or 15, Jan 1 or 15 2020

All Tusk needs now is unanimity on doing it by written procedure - or else special summit on 27/28 Oct

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« Reply #21665 on: October 22, 2019, 07:52:45 PM »

Obviously the longer the extension the tighter the timetable to negotiate trade, which is already optimistic

Clause 30, trap door to no deal in Dec 2020, going to be a major issue in the path of this deal at later readings
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« Reply #21666 on: October 22, 2019, 08:03:18 PM »

Obviously the longer the extension the tighter the timetable to negotiate trade, which is already optimistic

Clause 30, trap door to no deal in Dec 2020, going to be a major issue in the path of this deal at later readings

I was unaware of this.

What exactly would trigger that?
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« Reply #21667 on: October 22, 2019, 08:15:17 PM »

Obviously the longer the extension the tighter the timetable to negotiate trade, which is already optimistic

Clause 30, trap door to no deal in Dec 2020, going to be a major issue in the path of this deal at later readings

I was unaware of this.

What exactly would trigger that?

I believe if we haven't got a trade deal in place by December 31st 2020, the default position is we leave with no deal & immediately go onto WTO terms
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« Reply #21668 on: October 22, 2019, 08:17:16 PM »

Obviously the longer the extension the tighter the timetable to negotiate trade, which is already optimistic

Clause 30, trap door to no deal in Dec 2020, going to be a major issue in the path of this deal at later readings

I was unaware of this.

What exactly would trigger that?

I believe if we haven't got a trade deal in place by December 31st 2020, the default position is we leave with no deal & immediately go onto WTO terms

A trade deal with who - the EU?
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« Reply #21669 on: October 22, 2019, 08:18:49 PM »

Obviously the longer the extension the tighter the timetable to negotiate trade, which is already optimistic

Clause 30, trap door to no deal in Dec 2020, going to be a major issue in the path of this deal at later readings

I was unaware of this.

What exactly would trigger that?

I believe if we haven't got a trade deal in place by December 31st 2020, the default position is we leave with no deal & immediately go onto WTO terms

A trade deal with who - the EU?

Yup
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« Reply #21670 on: October 22, 2019, 08:40:32 PM »

 the trapdoor to No Deal.
Clause 30 - if the Government doesn’t propose an extension to the transition, MPs have no say, & therefore if negotiations on future relationship unfinished by end of December next year, we’re out - it
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« Reply #21671 on: October 22, 2019, 09:07:47 PM »

All makes sense now.

I was thinking by Dec 2019, so not much time at all, but 2020 is another matter altogether.

I know it's not good for the Country, but it's all rather exciting to observe.

We are off to visit Westminster tomorrow, for a general shufty, it all looks rather jolly with the flags everywhere, sort of like a street party.  We went there a month or so ago, but nothing was happening.



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« Reply #21672 on: October 22, 2019, 09:15:57 PM »


BBC News report;


MPs seek more clarification about what the term "in limbo" means.

"The bill is not dead but it is inert," replies Speaker John Bercow.

"It is not on a journey, it is not progressing, it might be said to be static," he says.

"It is not a corpse."




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« Reply #21673 on: October 22, 2019, 10:15:05 PM »

the trapdoor to No Deal.
Clause 30 - if the Government doesn’t propose an extension to the transition, MPs have no say, & therefore if negotiations on future relationship unfinished by end of December next year, we’re out - it

I think there was a last minute concession,, (in the winding up speech) to give MPs a vote on this in June 2020
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« Reply #21674 on: October 22, 2019, 10:17:03 PM »

We’ve got to go to an election now.

Wrote to my MP (pointlessly) to suggest this or lose my vote.
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