COVID19

[kukushkin88]

Some excellent articles in the Telegraph today tbf, in particular by Juliet Samuel but also by Haldenby, Moore and also some good content in the leader with respect to care homes.

You do love a non researched sweeping statement

I try to read it, so that I can tease from a better informed position but it’s all a bit alt right for me. Free Speech Union member should always set the alarm bells ringing.

The website is actually quite funny:

https://freespeechunion.org/

I’ll stop mentioning The Telegraph though, wouldn’t want to stray in to trolling.

[kukushkin88]

Meanwhile Allison Pearson and by extension The Telegraph have seamlessly made the transition from laughably stupid to dangerously stupid. It’s unpleasant and unnecessary when the mob get stuck in but her replies do reveal that she is a long way from the sharpest tool in the box.

https://twitter.com/allisonpearson/status/1253978830177480705?s=21

Her angle into it probably isn’t the best route but some of the points she is making are valid.
Completely locking away the old & vulnerable & letting young & healthy get on with life with some restrictions doesn’t seem a completely stupid concept to me.

It’s a complex situation and mocking Allison Pearson is probably a bad idea because it makes light of that. It seems that while less people would die, you’d still overwhelm health capacity, even with the vulnerables tucked away. The other major problem would be how care would be administered to the vulnerable groups without exposure. I mean they are doing this to some extent, to use their term, do they need to run it a bit hottter? Allison Pearson clearly wants to.

[jakally]

Meanwhile Allison Pearson and by extension The Telegraph have seamlessly made the transition from laughably stupid to dangerously stupid. It’s unpleasant and unnecessary when the mob get stuck in but her replies do reveal that she is a long way from the sharpest tool in the box.

https://twitter.com/allisonpearson/status/1253978830177480705?s=21

Her angle into it probably isn’t the best route but some of the points she is making are valid.
Completely locking away the old & vulnerable & letting young & healthy get on with life with some restrictions doesn’t seem a completely stupid concept to me.

It’s a complex situation and mocking Allison Pearson is probably a bad idea because it makes light of that. It seems that while less people would die, you’d still overwhelm health capacity, even with the vulnerables tucked away. The other major problem would be how care would be administered to the vulnerable groups without exposure. I mean they are doing this to some extent, to use their term, do they need to run it a bit hottter? Allison Pearson clearly wants to.

Having very different rules for the old & the young creates significant issues on a practical level & would be very unpopular amongst older age groups.

I have no strong view on it either way, but if she is trying to provoke a sensible debate then I can’t see an issue with her posting the comment.

[Doobs]

Meanwhile Allison Pearson and by extension The Telegraph have seamlessly made the transition from laughably stupid to dangerously stupid. It’s unpleasant and unnecessary when the mob get stuck in but her replies do reveal that she is a long way from the sharpest tool in the box.

https://twitter.com/allisonpearson/status/1253978830177480705?s=21

Her angle into it probably isn’t the best route but some of the points she is making are valid.
Completely locking away the old & vulnerable & letting young & healthy get on with life with some restrictions doesn’t seem a completely stupid concept to me.

It’s a complex situation and mocking Allison Pearson is probably a bad idea because it makes light of that. It seems that while less people would die, you’d still overwhelm health capacity, even with the vulnerables tucked away. The other major problem would be how care would be administered to the vulnerable groups without exposure. I mean they are doing this to some extent, to use their term, do they need to run it a bit hottter? Allison Pearson clearly wants to.

Having very different rules for the old & the young creates significant issues on a practical level & would be very unpopular amongst older age groups.

I have no strong view on it either way, but if she is trying to provoke a sensible debate then I can’t see an issue with her posting the comment.

I am not convinced she is trying to encourage sensible debate.  The Telegraph was anti-lockdown from the start.  It looks just like different ways of saying the same thing in the circumstances.

I am sure we'll get to something better in a month or two, with a return to something a bit more normal.  They just needed to apply the brakes a bit heavier due to the delay in introducung the restrictions.  It may well be better to send lots of rich young posh things out on the tube in a few weeks as sending out fat old blokes to work on building sites was probably not the ideal way of doing things. 

[nirvana]

Meanwhile Allison Pearson and by extension The Telegraph have seamlessly made the transition from laughably stupid to dangerously stupid. It’s unpleasant and unnecessary when the mob get stuck in but her replies do reveal that she is a long way from the sharpest tool in the box.

https://twitter.com/allisonpearson/status/1253978830177480705?s=21

Her angle into it probably isn’t the best route but some of the points she is making are valid.
Completely locking away the old & vulnerable & letting young & healthy get on with life with some restrictions doesn’t seem a completely stupid concept to me.

It’s a complex situation and mocking Allison Pearson is probably a bad idea because it makes light of that. It seems that while less people would die, you’d still overwhelm health capacity, even with the vulnerables tucked away. The other major problem would be how care would be administered to the vulnerable groups without exposure. I mean they are doing this to some extent, to use their term, do they need to run it a bit hottter? Allison Pearson clearly wants to.

In a few weeks time we will emerge from this level of lockdown and some trade offs are inevitable. You'd hope care homes will become better protected and testing might help ensure that care homes are not allowed to become so badly affected in the future. That aside, many vulnerable people don't need day to day care and I want people to be allowed to make choices for themselves rather than Government tell us what to do.

There are a lot of examples where this makes complete sense.

80 + year olds living at home, some perhaps fairly close to shuffling off - it makes sense to decide for yourself if you want to see your family starting in a few weeks time or sit at home for the next couple of years on your own and die anyway.

I've been talking through this with my wife as I'm notionally vulnerable. I'll carry on working from home, I'll distance appropriately and take precautions when I go out as I do now and I don't imagine I'll rush to sit in a pub or casino in a few months time. But I don't want to stop life around me and I do want to have a normal relationship with my children/grandchildren.

My conclusion is that as soon as the advice changes around mixing with other households and as more people go back to work I'm going to be happy that my wife goes to work, happy she sees family and by logical extension if I'm happy for her to mingle with family then I'm happy to have them over.

From my perspective, the risk of becoming infected is a risk worth taking and better than not seeing them properly for a year or more. The other side of the coin is their concern about infecting me but they are grown ups and can decide for themselves how responsible they are being with social distancing and whether that allows them to feel comfortable seeing me or whether they determine that puts me at too high a risk and their concern would mean its a risk they dont want to take.

It is complex and now that we all know the intent and impact of social distancing it should be time (with some obvious unavoidable boundaries and restrictions ) for us to be allowed to determine how we go forward with our lives and not have Government telling us how to live and interact with our families and close friends

[nirvana]

Also, there's a train of thought on this whole situation that I don't really get. Let's call it covidiotising others.

People moralise and get extremely puritanical about the failings of others based on their high level of motivation to see their family and friends, to sit in an open field, as though they personally are responsible for covid 19 and it's effects on society.

For the last 20 years or so the whole thrust of society has been to infantilise, nanny and not blame people with 'issues'.

If you're obese and put a strain on the NHS - no worries, we won't fat shame you.

If you're a drug addict and you put a strain on the NHS, the police, society as a whole and endanger others  - it's not your fault, it's because you're poor, it's because you're rich - don't worry we'll fix you.

If you're an alcoholic - ditto

If you're in prison - ditto

If you go round in gangs stabbing people - aah, poor soul, we need to treat it as a mental health issue and rehabilitate you.

If you want the sun on your back and to see your children - fkn covidiot

[kukushkin88]

Also, there's a train of thought on this whole situation that I don't really get. Let's call it covidiotising others.

People moralise and get extremely puritanical about the failings of others based on their high level of motivation to see their family and friends, to sit in an open field, as though they personally are responsible for covid 19 and it's effects on society.

For the last 20 years or so the whole thrust of society has been to infantilise, nanny and not blame people with 'issues'.

If you're obese and put a strain on the NHS - no worries, we won't fat shame you.

If you're a drug addict and you put a strain on the NHS, the police, society as a whole and endanger others  - it's not your fault, it's because you're poor, it's because you're rich - don't worry we'll fix you.

If you're an alcoholic - ditto

If you're in prison - ditto

If you go round in gangs stabbing people - aah, poor soul, we need to treat it as a mental health issue and rehabilitate you.

If you want the sun on your back and to see your children - fkn covidiot

I think we agree almost completely on this but the danger is letting the conversation be dominated by the extremes. The Free Speech Union and the #FBPE types, at opposite ends of the spectrum, seem to do most of the talking about it but neither of them has a remotely sensible view on the issue. As is usually but not always the case, the sensible place is somewhere near the middle.

[Pokerpops]

Also, there's a train of thought on this whole situation that I don't really get. Let's call it covidiotising others.

People moralise and get extremely puritanical about the failings of others based on their high level of motivation to see their family and friends, to sit in an open field, as though they personally are responsible for covid 19 and it's effects on society.

For the last 20 years or so the whole thrust of society has been to infantilise, nanny and not blame people with 'issues'.

If you're obese and put a strain on the NHS - no worries, we won't fat shame you.

If you're a drug addict and you put a strain on the NHS, the police, society as a whole and endanger others  - it's not your fault, it's because you're poor, it's because you're rich - don't worry we'll fix you.

If you're an alcoholic - ditto

If you're in prison - ditto

If you go round in gangs stabbing people - aah, poor soul, we need to treat it as a mental health issue and rehabilitate you.

If you want the sun on your back and to see your children - fkn covidiot

I think this may be your weakest post for a while Nirvana.

Your list sounds like you are channeling the spirit of Norman Tebbitt.

Covidiots though? All over the place.

[nirvana]

Also, there's a train of thought on this whole situation that I don't really get. Let's call it covidiotising others.

People moralise and get extremely puritanical about the failings of others based on their high level of motivation to see their family and friends, to sit in an open field, as though they personally are responsible for covid 19 and it's effects on society.

For the last 20 years or so the whole thrust of society has been to infantilise, nanny and not blame people with 'issues'.

If you're obese and put a strain on the NHS - no worries, we won't fat shame you.

If you're a drug addict and you put a strain on the NHS, the police, society as a whole and endanger others  - it's not your fault, it's because you're poor, it's because you're rich - don't worry we'll fix you.

If you're an alcoholic - ditto

If you're in prison - ditto

If you go round in gangs stabbing people - aah, poor soul, we need to treat it as a mental health issue and rehabilitate you.

If you want the sun on your back and to see your children - fkn covidiot

I think this may be your weakest post for a while Nirvana.

Your list sounds like you are channeling the spirit of Norman Tebbitt.

Covidiots though? All over the place.

Appreciate your critique and your opinion is yours to have, probably won't change my opinion on the puritans and moralisers though

[nirvana]

Oh and I always liked Norman Tebbitt, even when I was an anarchist

[TightEnd]

Priti Patel just proudly informed us that shoplifting has fallen during the lockdown.

I always feel that were are in significantly more trouble than even we are actually are when she hosts one of these.

[Woodsey]

Priti Patel just proudly informed us that shoplifting has fallen during the lockdown.

I always feel that were are in significantly more trouble than even we are actually are when she hosts one of these.

Mistake putting her up full stop at the moment irrespective of that, she’s just got that resting bitchface/smile that makes it look like she doesn’t give a fk before we even start getting onto the other things going on with her.

[RED-DOG]

Priti Patel just proudly informed us that shoplifting has fallen during the lockdown.

I always feel that were are in significantly more trouble than even we are actually are when she hosts one of these.

So people are not stealing from closed shops eh? Who'da thunk?

[celtic]

Oh and I always liked Norman Tebbitt, even when I was an anarchist

Horrible racist. What is there to like?

[StuartHopkin]

So been a busy couple of weeks but seems like a good time for a work update...

Saw this link earlier, and although I know some of you don't like the paper I think this headline is going to be reasonably accurate.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8211739/Farce-banks-coronavirus-crisis-loans-just-5-000-businesses.html

We still don't have anything agreed and an actual CBIL doesn't appear to be on the table, but to be fair to them there have been a lot changes for us since the process first started.

We secured an order for 4000 metal storage trolleys going into NHS Nightingale. The first 250 went in on Friday and the remainder are to be delivered through the rest of the month. That was our biggest ever single order.......

Until we found out that one of our Chinese suppliers has a huge amount of PPE available for sale. We have an operation in the USA and things moved very quickly and we now have a 747 full of PPE being delivered to the USA government on Thursday.

Further to this, I can get a lot more and even 2000 ventilators but I believe the pricing on these is hugely inflated so I have made offers to NHS & Bupa.

Makes me wonder what the UK Government are doing if I can source it so easily.

Crazy times compared to wondering if the business would make it through the year 2 weeks ago.

Hey All

Been a busy couple of weeks since this post!

747 of PPE successfully delivered to NY State Government last week

But what is more unbelievable is we offered the same service to the NHS two weeks ago...... nothing.

A week ago we spoke to Nicky Morgan who but us directly in touch with Matt Hancock.
He passed us on to the cabinet team in charge of sourcing PPE. We were a priority offer for review as we had access to gowns. A week later we have submitted spec sheets but they've ordered nothing.

In that same week NY have sorted their second order for 3 more planes full!

It's no wonder we are short of PPE!

Wow, that’s amazing and really good news that NY state have been well organised in processing the orders. Great news if it means the business doing well again, I’m pleased to hear it👍.

Yes, certainly led to a few different conversations with the bank!

Been great to help NY as the lady I own the business with lives in Brooklyn.
The Chinese supplier donated 100k masks to help and all the pallets were marked up with China and US flags. Will try and post a pic tomorrow.

Just frustrating that we can't get a few shipments coming here.

Few images as promised