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Title: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 02, 2012, 10:51:43 AM
Started a new season thread for all the non-fantasy related chit-chat, and betting tips, rather than resurrecting last seasons.

Pre-season games are in the bag, rosters have been cut to 53 players and the big kick-off, thanks to Mr Obama wanting to make a speech, is rather bizarrely on Wednesday (Thursday morning our time) with Cowboys @ Giants.

I'm feeling quietly confident about the Eagles' chances this year, which probably means we're in for another media circus of mediocrity and an 8-8 record again this season.  Thankfully, we don't have Vince Young and the "dream team" tag he created for us last season.

In the AFC, it's hard to look past the Patriots who appear to have gotten stronger while traditional teams like the Steelers, Ravens, etc have been hit by injuries.

One thing's for sure, it will be awesome!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 02, 2012, 10:56:37 AM
Some doubts about UK NFL TV this year

Sky Sports struggling to complete a deal with the NFL which would be horrible if they don't


If they do we'll get Thursday nights, some Saturday nights, 3 games on a Sunday and Monday night football on Sky, Ch4 and ESPN

Yes please!


My thoughts are the Eagles should be very strong. 49ers. Houston in the AFC (running game and defence) and the usual suspects in the AFC North

Bounce back team Kansas City Chiefs

Basement sides, Miami, Cleveland, Arizona


Pretty impossible to predict as usual though!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 02, 2012, 10:57:43 AM
I've cross-posted this from the Fantasy League thread for the NFL fans/bettors who don't play in the league and presumably don't read the thread.  Sign up, sign up - the more the merrier, whether you want to play for free or for $20.

I've now set up 3 private leagues on ESPN's Pickem and Eliminator games.  Hoping to get a few more entries than last year, and this should appeal to the bettors out there!  Horneris bossed this last season, but there's enough talent on this forum to make this a really fun competition.

The 3 games are:

Pickskin Pickem - Straight:  A straightforward prediction game, just pick the winner of each game.
Pigskin Pickem - Spread: As above, but with a spread (i.e. one team is handicapped against the other).  Good practice if you like to bet in real-life, as chances are you'll be doing it against a spread.
Eliminator - Bit like the Last Man Standing football comp - pick one winner each week.  Get one wrong and you're out.

Happy to do it for bragging rights only, so anyone can join and play for free.  Optional entry fee of $20 for each if you fancy playing for money.

Links to the games are below.  Create an entry for each (you have to create a straight and a spread entry in Pigskin Pickem to play both versions) and then use the search function or the links to find the leagues as follows:

http://games.espn.go.com/nfl-pigskin-pickem/en/

http://games.espn.go.com/nfl-eliminator-challenge/en/


blondepoker - Straight     http://games.espn.go.com/nfl-pigskin-pickem/en/group?groupID=17206

blondepoker - Spread       http://games.espn.go.com/nfl-pigskin-pickem/en/group?groupID=17208

blondepoker - Eliminator     http://games.espn.go.com/nfl-eliminator-challenge/en/group?groupID=6939


Password is tikay for everything.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 02, 2012, 11:03:13 AM
Some doubts about UK NFL TV this year

Sky Sports struggling to complete a deal with the NFL which would be horrible if they don't


If they do we'll get Thursday nights, some Saturday nights, 3 games on a Sunday and Monday night football on Sky, Ch4 and ESPN

Yes please!


My thoughts are the Eagles should be very strong. 49ers. Houston in the AFC (running game and defence) and the usual suspects in the AFC North

Bounce back team Kansas City Chiefs

Basement sides, Miami, Cleveland, Arizona


Pretty impossible to predict as usual though!

Didn't realise there was doubt over TV.  They've dropped the price of the Game Pass on nfl.com this year and I'd already signed up for it so have always got that to fall back on, but it's a commitment that will only be made by fans (£99 or £115 for the enhanced version) rather than casual viewers.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 02, 2012, 11:05:57 AM
Yes Channel 4 is confirmed (and I think Mike Carlson is by far the best analyst on UK TV) but if there's no Sky I will be Game Passing too


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 02, 2012, 11:11:26 AM
Yes Channel 4 is confirmed (and I think Mike Carlson is by far the best analyst on UK TV) but if there's no Sky I will be Game Passing too

Carlson is brilliant and it's a shame he's hidden away in the late-night game these days.

I also really like Darren Fletcher on radio and the Inside the Huddle podcasts.  He has a good knowledge of the game, considering he's split across other sports too.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: LeKnave on September 02, 2012, 12:14:25 PM
Been waiting too long for this, gamepass all ready to go.  I didn't know sky hadnt sorted still, pretty gash.

49ers to win it all @ 20/1
Skins to win it all @ 110.0
Bears to win NFC @ 20/1

Panthers win NFC South @ 11/2
Skins win NFC East @ 12/1

Murray most rushing yds @ 33/1 EW
Cutler most passing yds @ 66/1 EW
Decker most receiving yds @ 100/1 EW


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 02, 2012, 12:16:54 PM
Absolutely loving that Panthers bet

Atlanta lack a defense. New Orleans in turmoil, Tampa Bay too early

Panthers could go 12-4/11-5 in my opinion with Newton, a good running game and a defense significantly upgraded in the draft.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: LeKnave on September 02, 2012, 12:18:28 PM
Absolutely loving that Panthers bet

Atlanta lack a defense. New Orleans in turmoil, Tampa Bay too early

Panthers could go 12-4/11-5 in my opinion with Newton, a good running game and a defense significantly upgraded in the draft.

all the bookies mugged me off and went 6/1 with them too after i got on when 1 firm had opened the book!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 02, 2012, 04:26:43 PM
simply cannot wait now.

Iv'e played two hcap bets so far, one I like v much and one that I am fully expecting to be painful to watch.

I like Oakland +1 1/2 v San Diego, I'm not really sure who is fav in this game so getting with the home team in a Monday night game in a ground that can be v intimidating against a team who have started v poorly in the last few seasons and miss their main rb looked a good place to start.

The other bet I am not as keen on simply because I am guessing a bit is Cleveland + 9. I am expecting Cleveland's O to be a little better, I need Richardson to be fit at rb and he seems likely to play now and Weedon to be ok at qb. 9 points is a nice start at home and if they are going to utilise Richardson a lot then the clock might keep on ticking and with 9 start you can win a good few ways. The Philly D looks to be improved and the O is very strong but 9 points, early season with Vick perhaps still not fully fit and wearing a flak jacket and a team who's O  might surprise a little this season was enough to get me in. Tho the D could easily get over run if it all goes wrong.

Have you bet any matches Dave?








Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Horneris on September 02, 2012, 04:47:08 PM
Follow the Harbaugh brothers to the superbowl.

San Fran v Baltimore. It probably should have been that last season, they will be even stronger this season. (Baltimore more so when Suggs is back).


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: LeKnave on September 02, 2012, 04:48:23 PM
Have you bet any matches Dave?

i managed to grab some 20/21 on seattle to beat arizona last week.  just got in there before the money came for them.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 02, 2012, 05:01:05 PM
Have you bet any matches Dave?

i managed to grab some 20/21 on seattle to beat arizona last week.  just got in there before the money came for them.

Nice work that.

Russell Wilson ftw.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: ChipRich on September 02, 2012, 05:34:05 PM
Maimi Under 18.5 pts vs Houston 5/6

Will be totally and utterly stunned if Miami can score 19+


http://www.oddschecker.com/american-football/nfl/miami-dolphins-at-houston-texans/total-miami-dolphins-points


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on September 02, 2012, 05:41:36 PM
Ugh didn't realise the tv deal was in doubt, might have to invest in gamepass if it doesn't happen.

I am not optimistic at all about the Fins this year, we look worse than last year especially with a rookie qb (Tannehill). I thought watching Hard Knocks might get me a bit more excited about our chances but I am more pessimistic than I was a month ago.

Can we talk about college football in here as come October. I am going to want to talk about Oregon a lot more than i am Miami.

Got tickets to see the week 4 Sunday night football match up between the Eagles and Giants which i am pretty excited about (thought i would get a brag in).



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: LeKnave on September 02, 2012, 05:42:30 PM
Got tickets to see the week 4 Sunday night football match up between the Eagles and Giants which i am pretty excited about (thought i would get a brag in).

well jel


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 02, 2012, 05:48:31 PM
Got tickets to see the week 4 Sunday night football match up between the Eagles and Giants which i am pretty excited about (thought i would get a brag in).

well jel

obv brag 2. I ended up sorting that triip  we were talking about at DTD Longy.

All booked for Chicago v Lions on the Monday Oct 22nd , Minny v Tampa on the Thursday and then Dallas v Giants on the Sunday. :)



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: ChipRich on September 02, 2012, 05:51:04 PM
what lives


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on September 02, 2012, 05:58:54 PM
Got tickets to see the week 4 Sunday night football match up between the Eagles and Giants which i am pretty excited about (thought i would get a brag in).

well jel

obv brag 2. I ended up sorting that triip  we were talking about at DTD Longy.

All booked for Chicago v Lions on the Monday Oct 22nd , Minny v Tampa on the Thursday and then Dallas v Giants on the Sunday. :)



Wow sounds awesome mate, you getting to see any college games? I am going to watch Rutgers at home to Connecticut, not quite top level stuff but still should be fun.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Horneris on September 02, 2012, 06:02:43 PM
Love the Miami unders bet too.

I love NFL, best sport in the world. I'm not sure who I support yet though. Two seasons ago when started watching it seriously I liked Giants with these two but then they kept winning so I went off them. Then I supported Seattle then they turned okay so I gave up.

Then last season I supported Detroit and Baltimore coz I had money on them. I still feel some affinity with Baltimore because the way they went out of the playoff semis was awful, Lee Evans had it in his hands then that idiot Cundiff predictably missed a short field goal.

Then I went to see Jacksonville v Indianapolis and backed Jags big and they won and I loved the day and bought a jersey so I became a fan of them. I also went to see Tampa v Dallas and I fell in love with Tony Romo's grace and poise and hes become my favourite player.

This year I've backed San Fran.

I think in summary I support Baltimore, Jacksonville, Dallas because of Tony Romo and San Fran because of my superbowl bet.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so1Nh7-aMW0

#believe


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 02, 2012, 06:11:50 PM
Got tickets to see the week 4 Sunday night football match up between the Eagles and Giants which i am pretty excited about (thought i would get a brag in).

well jel

obv brag 2. I ended up sorting that triip  we were talking about at DTD Longy.

All booked for Chicago v Lions on the Monday Oct 22nd , Minny v Tampa on the Thursday and then Dallas v Giants on the Sunday. :)



Wow sounds awesome mate, you getting to see any college games? I am going to watch Rutgers at home to Connecticut, not quite top level stuff but still should be fun.

The college stuff looked a bit tricky, we are due to watch ice hockey in at least 2 places I think. The other 2 guys fancied that so I have left those details to them. I think there was one college game that looked a possible but I cannot remember where it was


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on September 02, 2012, 07:21:14 PM
Love the Miami unders bet too.

I love NFL, best sport in the world. I'm not sure who I support yet though. Two seasons ago when started watching it seriously I liked Giants with these two but then they kept winning so I went off them. Then I supported Seattle then they turned okay so I gave up.


You have just gone up in my already high estimations.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 02, 2012, 08:47:06 PM
Absolutely love NFL. Used to be a big baseball fan but the last five or six years I've all but dumped it for NFL. Been a Bills fan since it was on Channel 4 way back when - I was young and it's fundamentally impossible to hear that there is a sports team called Buffalo Bills and not want to support them!

Plus there was that odd period where the London Monarchs in that mad European league played from White Hart Lane (and The Fridge ruined our pitch).

So the last few seasons have been hard work. As ever, the AL East is a tough division, although (perhaps spurred on by TightEnd's comments previously) I have a little more confidence in the side. Fitz has more protection and that at least gives Johnson a chance. Whether we have enough outlets remains to be seen.

Can't look past the Pats this season for the division - not convinced the Jets are as strong this season but am usually wrong (kind of the anti-Rex Ryan thing!)

Have an accumulator every weekend in the main season. Last season I got 7/8 twice and just about cried the second time, when a last minute field goal did me. I'm over it now of course...

Just seen Maurice Jones-Drew has decided he's ready to play again. Jags are an odd bunch.

As for sky, I loved Nick Halling (despite the whole Pittsburgh thing). Last year wasn't the same without his banter with Kev.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 02, 2012, 10:17:48 PM
Bad news for San Diego, they seem forced to start a rookie at LT which can only help the Raiders bet.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 02, 2012, 10:31:06 PM
Love the Miami unders bet too.

I love NFL, best sport in the world. I'm not sure who I support yet though. Two seasons ago when started watching it seriously I liked Giants with these two but then they kept winning so I went off them. Then I supported Seattle then they turned okay so I gave up.


You have just gone up in my already high estimations.

He works for a bookmaker though.

So he's obviously a tosser.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Horneris on September 02, 2012, 10:35:09 PM
He works for a bookmaker though.

So he's obviously a tosser.

I'm behind enemy lines mate


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Skippy on September 02, 2012, 10:42:02 PM
If Sky don't get NFL rights, I'm going to go bananas. That's one of the main reasons I bought it!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 02, 2012, 10:53:37 PM
If Sky don't get NFL rights, I'm going to go bananas. That's one of the main reasons I bought it!

And they had the RedZone from the US TV as well. Wish they had that in all sports


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 02, 2012, 11:29:20 PM
Got tickets to see the week 4 Sunday night football match up between the Eagles and Giants which i am pretty excited about (thought i would get a brag in).

Bastardo!

That is all.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 02, 2012, 11:33:49 PM
If Sky don't get NFL rights, I'm going to go bananas. That's one of the main reasons I bought it!

And they had the RedZone from the US TV as well. Wish they had that in all sports

Really enjoyed watching RedZone, as it keeps you updated on all thing Fantasy-relevant.  The only time I'd not choose it is for an Eagles game or an otherwise tasty match-up (eg Steelers vs Ravens).

Mega-tiliting though that the Red Button doesn't work with Virgin Tivo boxes, so I can watch this on the main TV, but can on the other two boxes in the house that are the non-Tivo V+ ones. [/rant]


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 03, 2012, 12:12:30 AM
RedZone sucks imo.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 03, 2012, 12:37:14 AM
RedZone sucks imo.

I love it.  Eagles game on GamePass (which is the one I'm watching constantly), fantasy league matches updating in real time on the screen, and Red Zone coverage to see all the big plays as they happen.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 04, 2012, 12:38:59 PM
Statement from NFL UK regarding UK TV rights for the 2012/13 season

Saturday 1st September

“With the new NFL season kicking off next week, we fully understand the concerns of our fans that the full UK broadcast line-up for the new season has not yet been announced, beyond the new Channel 4 agreement for Sunday Night Football and the existing deal with BBC TV for Super Bowl and Wembley/playoff highlights.

“We have been in negotiations for some time to extend our broadcasting agreements for this season and will announce the full package for the 2012 season as soon as possible.

“However, it is possible that this may not be before Tuesday at the earliest. Thank you for your support and patience.”


Hairy times ahead of tomorrow night :-(


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 04, 2012, 04:16:14 PM
Statement from NFL UK regarding UK TV rights for the 2012/13 season

Saturday 1st September

“With the new NFL season kicking off next week, we fully understand the concerns of our fans that the full UK broadcast line-up for the new season has not yet been announced, beyond the new Channel 4 agreement for Sunday Night Football and the existing deal with BBC TV for Super Bowl and Wembley/playoff highlights.

“We have been in negotiations for some time to extend our broadcasting agreements for this season and will announce the full package for the 2012 season as soon as possible.

“However, it is possible that this may not be before Tuesday at the earliest. Thank you for your support and patience.”


Hairy times ahead of tomorrow night :-(

Complete joke.

They make all these big promises and plans about turning the NFL into a global brand and can't work out a simple tv deal in one of the target audiences.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 04, 2012, 04:31:22 PM
Stupid question of the year...much of the commentary we get is Fox, which is owned by Murdoch, as is a good chunk of BSkyB. Why so much trouble?

Is it just because it's the NFL dictating terms?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on September 04, 2012, 04:37:27 PM
looking like gamepass time lads


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 04, 2012, 04:51:37 PM
Stupid question of the year...much of the commentary we get is Fox, which is owned by Murdoch, as is a good chunk of BSkyB. Why so much trouble?

Is it just because it's the NFL dictating terms?

And ESPN own rights to MNF.

Yet it look like we aren't going to see that either.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: the sicilian on September 04, 2012, 04:55:03 PM
Anyone know if Tampa have improved much since last year..by the looks of pre season no.... quite fancy carolina against them -6


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on September 04, 2012, 05:02:33 PM
Stupid question of the year...much of the commentary we get is Fox, which is owned by Murdoch, as is a good chunk of BSkyB. Why so much trouble?

Is it just because it's the NFL dictating terms?

The deal is with the NFL not the tv stations in the USA. The deal in the us is split differently to elsewhere in the world. Fox have the NFC deal for Sunday games (1pm and 4pm et games) so that is why we see a lot of fox games on sky.

For example my Dad (big NFL fan) lives in Bulgaria and ESPN america have every game irrespective of day/time.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 04, 2012, 05:20:00 PM
Tampa should be much improved. Last year was an extremely dysfunctional team, and they have upgraded in talent through draft and free agency

Unlikely to be play off contenders though, still very young and still need to rebuild further. Particularly unconvinced of Josh Johnson at QB

Think of them in terms of Carolina last year. Drafting a Newton though really does give a rebuilding franchise a huge shortcut. Tampa don't have that yet

I have them a 7-9 type of team at best, and whilst week one spreads are just impossible to properly analyse, and a bookies benefit, I would expect Carolina to win the game


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 04, 2012, 05:26:23 PM
Dean

If you want ready reckoners for each team in the early weeks of the season, this site is indispensable

http://www.profootballfocus.com/

looks at each team, anlayses every pre-season game etc etc

Might give you an edge. Frankly the spreads for week one are pure guesswork!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: the sicilian on September 04, 2012, 05:33:18 PM
Cheers tighty... Just the game caught my eye in an early peruse... Big fan of Newton and panthers looked to have upgraded a bit as well.. Just Tampa were woeful last year and early looks don't look particulary promising..but as u say guessing game this early


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 04, 2012, 05:35:21 PM
AnyGivenSundayNight ‏@UKNFL

Getcha Gamepass refund e-mails ready! We're back on. Three year deal.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 04, 2012, 05:35:33 PM
http://www.nfluk.com/opinions/articles/sky-sports-announces-three-year-nfl-deal

Left it late.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 04, 2012, 05:37:02 PM
September
Week 1              
Wed 5 Sep         Dallas Cowboys at New York Giants      Midnight    Sky Sports 1HD
Sun 9 Sep      Indianapolis Colts at Chicago Bears     5.30pm    Sky Sports 2HD
Sun 9 Sep      San Francisco 49ers at Green Bay Packers    9.15pm    Sky Sports 2HD
               
Week 2              
Fri 14 Sep      Chicago Bears at Green Bay Packers     1.00am     Sky Sports 1HD
Sun 16 Sep      New Orleans Saints at Carolina Panthers    5.30pm    Sky Sports 3HD
Sun 16 Sep      Washington Redskins at St Louis Rams    9.15pm    Sky Sports 3HD


49ERS/Packers should be a doozy


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 04, 2012, 05:37:50 PM
To be frank, I wish ESPN had got the gig, much more professional coverage of US sports.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 04, 2012, 05:40:17 PM
Big Cowboys fan

Giants spread +4 tomorrow night

Cowboys very new OL (mostly injured pre-season, so not a lot of time to gel) against one of the best pass rushes in football

Witten probably missing, big blocking help to OL normally too

Think the right spread is is bigger than +4, maybe +6

(in as much as week one is bettable at all in most games)

Dallas D, if as advertised, might keep it close which is a risk to buying the spread


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on September 04, 2012, 07:44:21 PM
Nice, that's nice.

We are getting Thursday night football all year this year as well. Presuming it is going to be status quo with ESPN getting Monday night football.



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 04, 2012, 07:44:52 PM
Saints Panthers week 2. Whatever the total yards line is, I'm taking the overs!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 04, 2012, 10:44:34 PM
I've cross-posted this from the Fantasy League thread for the NFL fans/bettors who don't play in the league and presumably don't read the thread.  Sign up, sign up - the more the merrier, whether you want to play for free or for $20.

I've now set up 3 private leagues on ESPN's Pickem and Eliminator games.  Hoping to get a few more entries than last year, and this should appeal to the bettors out there!  Horneris bossed this last season, but there's enough talent on this forum to make this a really fun competition.

The 3 games are:

Pickskin Pickem - Straight:  A straightforward prediction game, just pick the winner of each game.
Pigskin Pickem - Spread: As above, but with a spread (i.e. one team is handicapped against the other).  Good practice if you like to bet in real-life, as chances are you'll be doing it against a spread.
Eliminator - Bit like the Last Man Standing football comp - pick one winner each week.  Get one wrong and you're out.

Happy to do it for bragging rights only, so anyone can join and play for free.  Optional entry fee of $20 for each if you fancy playing for money.

Links to the games are below.  Create an entry for each (you have to create a straight and a spread entry in Pigskin Pickem to play both versions) and then use the search function or the links to find the leagues as follows:

http://games.espn.go.com/nfl-pigskin-pickem/en/

http://games.espn.go.com/nfl-eliminator-challenge/en/


blondepoker - Straight     http://games.espn.go.com/nfl-pigskin-pickem/en/group?groupID=17206

blondepoker - Spread       http://games.espn.go.com/nfl-pigskin-pickem/en/group?groupID=17208

blondepoker - Eliminator     http://games.espn.go.com/nfl-eliminator-challenge/en/group?groupID=6939


Password is tikay for everything.

bump for this ahead of tomorrow night

easy to create teams!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 04, 2012, 10:47:37 PM
It was set to lock once the season begins but might keep it open to try and get more entries.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: ChipRich on September 04, 2012, 11:18:20 PM
Have joined Eliminator and Spread Pickems thing


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Horneris on September 04, 2012, 11:59:11 PM
Have joined Eliminator and Spread Pickems thing


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on September 05, 2012, 12:09:53 AM
I think the Rams +8 with Skybet are a really good bet.  I like +7 also but +8 is a very good price.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 05, 2012, 01:01:24 AM
I think the Rams +8 with Skybet are a really good bet.  I like +7 also but +8 is a very good price.

The lines seem to have been bet into shape in a few games today, that line with Sky is such an old number now too as St Louis are favs +7. Just getting a bet on with them is a stumbling block tho.



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TheChipPrince on September 05, 2012, 02:44:33 PM
Ssaw Hellmuth has had a 10k bet on denver winning over 8.5 games.

The first of my many amateur NFL questions is why, in a couple of sentences please?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 05, 2012, 02:47:39 PM
Looking at the fixtures, anyone fancy the Jags going 0-16?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 05, 2012, 02:50:27 PM
Looking at the fixtures, anyone fancy the Jags going 0-16?

Not at all

Much underrated defense will keep them in games

4-12, 5-11 type team for me


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Acidmouse on September 05, 2012, 02:51:50 PM
week 6, 49ers vs giants...i want revenge..

a win vs green bay would be nice week 1 though..


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 05, 2012, 02:53:31 PM
Ssaw Hellmuth has had a 10k bet on denver winning over 8.5 games.

The first of my many amateur NFL questions is why, in a couple of sentences please?


Very good defense last year. young and talented

Peyton Manning, decent running game. Couple of decent receivers

One of the weaker divisions (Oakland, San Diego, Kansas) and 6 of the 16 games are in division

8-8 last year, though Tebow dragged the team over the line a few times

Seams a reasonable expectation to go 9-7/10-6 a year on...can't have them 12-4 though so if he wins it it won't be by much



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TheChipPrince on September 05, 2012, 03:06:35 PM
Ssaw Hellmuth has had a 10k bet on denver winning over 8.5 games.

The first of my many amateur NFL questions is why, in a couple of sentences please?


Very good defense last year. young and talented

Peyton Manning, decent running game. Couple of decent receivers

One of the weaker divisions (Oakland, San Diego, Kansas) and 6 of the 16 games are in division

8-8 last year, though Tebow dragged the team over the line a few times

Seams a reasonable expectation to go 9-7/10-6 a year on...can't have them 12-4 though so if he wins it it won't be by much



How is it determined who plays who and from which divisions?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 05, 2012, 03:18:49 PM
16 games

Each team plays the others in their division twice, thats 6

They play another division in their conference once, in rotation every 3 years, thats 4

They play another division in the other conference once, in rotation every four years, thats 4

The final two are against teams in their conference with the most similar records from last year, thats 2

the final category gives you games like 49ers v Packers this weekend, and all the marquee match ups that for example kept pitting manning v brady year after year when both teams were strong


this year the NFC East has a pig of a year, on paper for example

they get AFC North (Ravens, Steelers, Bengals all strong)

they get NFC South (Saints, Panthers on the way up)


One of the great things about the nfl though is the salary cap, free agency and draft means a team can go from bottom to top v v quickly so no huge discrepancies in payroll like you do in baseball or the English football spanish football problem of knowing within reason who'll be top 4 every year

For the most capitalist sport there is, the process is actually very socialist.



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 05, 2012, 05:25:10 PM
Looking at the fixtures, anyone fancy the Jags going 0-16?

Not at all

Much underrated defense will keep them in games

4-12, 5-11 type team for me

Gabbert has looked much more competent so far in training camp and pre-season, and Justin Blackmon is a beast at WR, so offensively they're better equipped too.

As Tighty says, the defense is better than in gets credit for so they'll win a few games.

Cleveland, Arizona and possibly Miami will end up with worse records than the Jags this year, IMO, although no-one will be 0-16.  I'd expect 3-13 to be as bad as it gets this season,


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 05, 2012, 05:29:18 PM
16 games

Each team plays the others in their division twice, thats 6

They play another division in their conference once, in rotation every 3 years, thats 4

They play another division in the other conference once, in rotation every four years, thats 4

The final two are against teams in their conference with the most similar records from last year, thats 2

the final category gives you games like 49ers v Packers this weekend, and all the marquee match ups that for example kept pitting manning v brady year after year when both teams were strong


this year the NFC East has a pig of a year, on paper for example

they get AFC North (Ravens, Steelers, Bengals all strong)

they get NFC South (Saints, Panthers on the way up)


One of the great things about the nfl though is the salary cap, free agency and draft means a team can go from bottom to top v v quickly so no huge discrepancies in payroll like you do in baseball or the English football spanish football problem of knowing within reason who'll be top 4 every year

For the most capitalist sport there is, the process is actually very socialist.

The Giants have it worst of all out of the NFC East - their two 'additional' games which are non-common with the other teams in their division are the Packers and 49ers.

Potentially, it impacts the likelihood of teams getting Wild Cards from the tougher division as a 9-7 record (which is probably what's required) is far tougher to achieve from the NFC East than, say, the NFC West this season.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 05, 2012, 06:11:44 PM
Hello

Monday Night Football on the BBC and BBC sport website live all season

clears throat

BOOM!

shuts mouth


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 05, 2012, 06:52:20 PM
The full Monday Night Football schedule is:

Week 1 – Cincinnati at Baltimore; San Diego at Oakland

Week 2 – Denver at Atlanta

Week 3 – Green Bay at Seattle

Week 4 – Chicago at Dallas

Week 5 – Houston at NY Jets

Week 6 – Denver at San Diego

Week 7 – Detroit at Chicago

Week 8 – San Francisco at Arizona

Week 9 – Philadelphia at New Orleans

Week 10 – Kansas City at Pittsburgh

Week 11 – Chicago at San Francisco

Week 12 – Carolina at Philadelphia

Week 13 – NY Giants at Washington

Week 14 – Houston at New England

Week 15 – NY Jets at Tennessee

Week 16 – Atlanta at Detroit (Saturday night)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 05, 2012, 07:00:12 PM
Where's the Buffalo Broadcasting Corporation?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 05, 2012, 07:21:54 PM
Hello

Monday Night Football on the BBC and BBC sport website live all season

clears throat

BOOM!

shuts mouth

Is that instead of or as well as ESPN Rich?

cheers


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 05, 2012, 07:28:04 PM
Not sure

obv its ESPN in the states.

iirc it was on ch 417 Espn here last season

we've got a double header to find out on Monday.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 05, 2012, 07:30:35 PM
Not sure

obv its ESPN in the states.

iirc it was on ch 417 Espn here last season

we've got a double header to find out on Monday.

cheers, I wondered if the reason it was red button/online only is that ESPN would still be broadcasting it here on 417


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: vegaslover on September 05, 2012, 07:35:09 PM
Hello

Monday Night Football on the BBC and BBC sport website live all season

clears throat

BOOM!

shuts mouth
I take that means we have to put up with Jake Humphries presenting it?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 05, 2012, 07:36:18 PM
Hello

Monday Night Football on the BBC and BBC sport website live all season

clears throat

BOOM!

shuts mouth
I take that means we have to put up with Jake Humphries presenting it?

I doubt it, not 1am on a Monday

Darren Fletcher and Mike Carlson would be superb, think Mike's freelance





Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on September 05, 2012, 07:48:08 PM
It really does depend on who is doing the coverage for bbc, if this is a win or not. Obv Mike Carlson doing it would count as a win.



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: AceHighSuited on September 05, 2012, 08:04:05 PM
I don't know a lot about NFL but as a viewing spectacle and a betting sport I love it.

Its probably the sport that I "mug" punt most on without actually knowing whats going on. 

Hints, tips and just a genuine idiots guide to rules and stuff would be much appreciated. 

I have already punted on tonight's game unsure if its a bet but I have Giants to beat the spread and under 45.5 point double @ 11/4. 


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 05, 2012, 08:14:52 PM
One decent commentators idea of the five worst teams this year

Top five 2013 NFL Draft order:

1. Arizona Cardinals - Easy explanation: John Skelton, starting quarterback. Easier explanation: D'Anthony Batiste and Bobby Massie, starting offensive tackles. Despite having the NFL's best wide receiver, the Cardinals seem to be several years away from being a good team.

2. Cleveland Browns - The Browns have 15 rookies on the roster, including their starting quarterback and running back (who missed the entire preseason). They also have what looks like one of the league's toughest schedules. Add an impending suspension for cornerback Joe Haden and you've got the makings of yet another long season for Cleveland.

3. Miami Dolphins - It seems as the discontent grows in Miami, the talent on the roster diminishes. Rookie quarterback Ryan Tannehill is promising, but he has one of the worst receiving corps in the NFL. Sorry, we're not buying into the Legedu Naanee hype.

4. Oakland Raiders - The Raiders are deep in the midst of a roster turnover. While doing so, they're relying on Carson Palmer playing like it's 2006 and Darren McFadden's health holding out. It's hard to imagine both, or even one, of those things happening.

5. St. Louis Rams - This century (!), a conference has only had four of the first five picks once. That was 2010 with St. Louis, Detroit, Tampa Bay and Washington. So it's unlikely the AFC will have four of the first five picks in 2013. Because of that farfetched theory, lets go with St. Louis for the fifth pick. We'll learn a lot about St. Louis in Jeff Fisher's first mustachioed season, namely how good quarterback Sam Bradford is. If Bradford struggles, they'll be picking this high. If he doesn't, I'll look foolish. Regardless, neither would be a first.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on September 05, 2012, 10:00:46 PM
Think NYG are a bet tonight if the line goes to -3 10/11 which it is not far off now.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 05, 2012, 10:18:15 PM
Think NYG are a bet tonight if the line goes to -3 10/11 which it is not far off now.


Superbowl winners have a great record str8 up in the next season opener too, not sure a-t-s. I think I read somewhere they have won every opening game the next season since 2004.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 05, 2012, 10:18:34 PM
thought it was a bet at 4 tbh

Witten almost certainly not playing, OL completely unproven against one of the best pass rushes

No idea where the move to Dallas has come from


Should be a good game, with replacement refs too. Prepare for a bit of controversy too



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on September 05, 2012, 10:46:05 PM
Think NYG are a bet tonight if the line goes to -3 10/11 which it is not far off now.


Superbowl winners have a great record str8 up in the next season opener too, not sure a-t-s. I think I read somewhere they have won every opening game the next season since 2004.

Used to be the opposite ATS but that angle has been eliminated recently and, if anything, the dog in these games are overbet now although these angles tend to be based on ludicrously small samples anyway.  Assuming a home advantage of 2.5-3 I can't have that Dallas are anything close to the team NYG are on a neutral field and they are almost always overrated.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 05, 2012, 10:50:32 PM
Dallas have beaten the Giants the last six opening game encounters

and the Dallas defense should be for real this year

I do think the problems in blocking on the offense make NYG favourites to beat the spread today, but do not agree at all that there is much between the teams over the season

As last year, these are 7-9 to 10-6, 11-5 tops teams that will beat each other all year in the NFC East


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 05, 2012, 11:06:49 PM
Go on then, Tighty. Box of Thornton's chocolates says the Jacksonville Jaguars don't win 4 games this season. If they go 4-12 or better, it's yours. Something in the £10 region for a bit of fun. I recognise you know more than I on these matters, but I am prepared to display the extent of my degen-iness ( :) )


They win the first four games and I look silly. Hopefully it's a fun sweat tho.



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 05, 2012, 11:10:23 PM
Go on then, Tighty. Box of Thornton's chocolates says the Jacksonville Jaguars don't win 4 games this season. If they go 4-12 or better, it's yours. Something in the £10 region for a bit of fun. I recognise you know more than I on these matters, but I am prepared to display the extent of my degen-iness ( :) )


They win the first four games and I look silly. Hopefully it's a fun sweat tho.



ok fine

I think I'd rather be on your side, lol, but fine

(ie more chance of 2-14 than 6-10!)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Josedinho on September 05, 2012, 11:12:35 PM
Will probs have sky back in a month or so but in the meantime a game on BBC is good news.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 05, 2012, 11:16:55 PM
Go on then, Tighty. Box of Thornton's chocolates says the Jacksonville Jaguars don't win 4 games this season. If they go 4-12 or better, it's yours. Something in the £10 region for a bit of fun. I recognise you know more than I on these matters, but I am prepared to display the extent of my degen-iness ( :) )


They win the first four games and I look silly. Hopefully it's a fun sweat tho.



ok fine

I think I'd rather be on your side, lol, but fine

(ie more chance of 2-14 than 6-10!)

Don't mind if you want to make 3-13 no bet. Just put the line there because you had said 4-12 or 5-11. Up to you.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 05, 2012, 11:18:37 PM
Dallas have beaten the Giants the last six opening game encounters

and the Dallas defense should be for real this year

I do think the problems in blocking on the offense make NYG favourites to beat the spread today, but do not agree at all that there is much between the teams over the season

As last year, these are 7-9 to 10-6, 11-5 tops teams that will beat each other all year in the NFC East

I hate past head to head record more than any other as a stat to base any sort of bet on.

(I know you aren't in this case, but just saying)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 05, 2012, 11:22:41 PM
OK, the original plan was to put up a team by team summary on here ahead of the season starting.  It wasn't meant to be an in-depth analysis as such, but it's a good way for me to figure out what I think about everything and work out where the knowledge gaps were.  The trouble is the first division I did took so long that I've run out of time before the 1st game.  Thankfully I started with the division where tonight's game will be played, so I can still get this done, but I've put this one up for now ahead of the big kickoff.

It's planned to be done by division, with teams listed by where I think they'll finish based on gut feel.  I suspect that, when I try to do game by game projections, I'll end up with a different result, but part of the exercise for me is to see how different this looks.

It's up there to be shot at, or at least encourage some debate, and is written largely from memory.  It'll be an interesting exercise for me to look back at the end of the season and see how wrong I was.  The scary thing is that, as long as this one turned out, I don't feel like I've even scratched the surface on what I wanted to say!

Flame away people:

NFC East

Prediction: 1) Eagles 2) Giants (Wild Card, possibly) 3) Redskins 4) Cowboys (pretty much a coin flip for 3&4 and I expect them to end up with very similar records)

Philadelphia Eagles - Not just a homer pick (if anything my expectations tend to be lower than the consensus on them) but they seem to me to have done a good job of addressing the glaring issues from last season.  The 'dream-team' tag was always going to be a recipe for disaster (thanks a lot Vince Young!) and trying to fit in a lot of big free agency signings in a short space of time just didn't work.  Throw in unresolved contract issues with DeSean Jackson (who played like someone trying to avoid injury for pretty much the whole season) and we did well to scrape to an 8-8 record in the end. The obvious hole was the porous defence, and Andy Reid made a huge call in keeping Juan Castillo as DC over the close-season, despite late season improvement.  If that backfires, it'll cost Reid his job and the notorious fan-base will show very little patience with Castillo this season.

This pre-season, by contrast, has been a largely under the radar exercise in addressing the obvious needs and getting a roster that is as deep as any in the NFL.  With one notable exception, the roster looks largely capable of dealing with the inevitable injuries.  Losing Jason Peters, arguably the best Left Tackle in the NFL last season to an achilles injury was a blow, and replacement Demetress Bell has struggled so much that he's missed out on the starting job in Week 1 to King Dunlap.  However, there's depth throughout the roster, and no loudmouthed backup QB bringing unwanted attention this season.  Linebacker was the most glaring need to be addressed, and bringing in veteran DeMeco Ryans will do a lot to bolster things.  Trading up to get Fletcher Cox at DT was also an astute piece of business.

The obvious exception to the above is QB, and the Eagles' season will largely depend on Michael Vick staying healthy (and two separate injuries in pre-season doesn't bring great confidence).  Rookie Nick Foles shone enough to win the backup job, and Trent Edwards did enough to allow Mike Kafka to be waived.  They'll be able to cover the inevitable absence of 1-2 games, but if the Eagles are to be serious Superbowl contenders then Vick has to be there for the majority of the season.  DJax also needs to contribute and show that he's put the petulant child act behind him now that he has his long-term contract.

At RB, LeSean McCoy is a stud, but he was used heavily last season (probably too much) but there's solid, albeit inexperienced, talent behind him now who can take some of the workload away.

Andy Reid won a lot of sympathy when his son died during training camp, but memories are short in Philly, and there'll be little sympathy shown by the fans if expectations aren't met this season.  However, I'm quietly confident that we have the tools to win the division and get close in the play-off lottery this season.  I sure hope so, because this is Season 31 for me of hoping for an Eagles Superbowl win!

New York Giants - What a story last year.  Mediocre for most of the regular season (only confirming their place as divisional champions, with a 9-7 record, in the last game) and then inspired (largely by Eli Manning, who proved he deserves to be recognised as an elite QB) in the post-season ending up as deserved Superbowl champions.  However, I think this season will prove to be more challenging.  First of all, their schedule is HORRENDOUS.  In addition to the 6 inter-divisional battles, the NFC East face teams from the AFC North (hello Ravens, Steelers, Bengals) and NFC South (hello Saints, Falcons, Panthers) this season the schedule was bad enough but, as divisional winners, they then get to play the other two divisional NFC winners from last season (hello Packers and 49ers!)  The only inviting looking fixtures on the schedule look to be Cleveland and Tampa Bay.

In addition, I think they've lost a little on offense with the loss of Brandon Jacobs and Mario Manningham, both to the 49ers, and they're relying on their top 2 draft picks, David Wilson and Reuben Randle, to fill the gaps.  In time I think they will, but this season might be a bit too soon for them to be fully effective.  They unearthed a genuine star last year in Victor Cruz, but he played much of the time from the slot as the No 3 receiver last year and, with the loss of Manningham, he's now clearly the No2 wideout and will command much more attention from defences from the outset as a result.  Nicks has been carrying an injury too, so I think there's much less WR depth this time around, and a whole load more expectation.  The defence will still be solid though and they'll be there or thereabouts with regard to the playoffs, possibly via a Wildcard.  However, all teams in the NFC East have an uphill struggle with regard to getting wild-card spots as the division is so evenly matched compared to many of the others, and the schedule this year make it's doubly difficult to get a good enough record.

Washington Redskins - They made a very bold step, whilst other teams dithered, in trading up in the draft to get their franchise QB, and much will depend on how RG3's rookie season performance.  However, he has all the tools to be successful (think Michael Vick v2 with more natural pocket passing abilities) and the NFL is no longer a place where rookie QBs can't make an immediate impact.  Offensively, the big question marks are who the key skill position players will be, with the usual Shanahanegans going on at both RB and WR.  Pierre Garcon is about the only name we can lock down with any confidence at the moment.  However, ultimately, I think they'll get a decent job done with a rotation of players and they certainly have less of a hurdle this season than they did last year with the Rex Grossman/John Beck QB 'controversy' (the answer being neither of them were good enough, although RG1 remains as the primary backup)  Defensively, the Redskins will be sound and won't give up huge points in too many games.  I think they'll cause a few surprises, although they're probably still a year or two away from becoming a genuine contender in the division.  They're a much better team than last season, when they did the double over the Giants, and on their day can surprise anyone.

Dallas Cowboys - Controversial choice to have them 4th (I can already hear Tighty's fingers pounding on the keyboard in retort!) but I think they've gone backwards this close season, and were mediocre at best last year.  The weight of expectaton doesn't help, particularly when much of it comes from their owner!  They made an interesting move bringing in Kyle Orton to back up Romo, and probably have the best backup QB in the NFL this season.  However, this might bring more pressure to bear on Romo as the season progresses, and he's a player who's always under the microscope anyway (undoubtedly a battler though, particularly when playing with broken ribs and a punctured lung at one stage last season).  The WRs have issues too, with Miles Austin (injury) and Dez Bryant (idiocy) both being excellent on their day, but neither give confidence of completing a full season.  They relied heavily on Laurent Robinson to fill the gap last year (and he played so well he earned a big money contract with the Jaguars) and this time it might come down to the likes of Kevin Ogletree to deliver.

They do have a great RB in DeMarco Murray, if he can stay healthy, but the key issue is whether the weak looking O-line can create the holes for him.  Witten is a dynamic TE, but is recovering from a ruptured spleen so how healthy will he prove to be.

Defensively, they spent their top draft pick on Morris Claiborne to improve their secondary, who was generally considered a sure-fire prospect when stepping up to the NFL (despite his score of 4 out of 50 on the Wonderlic test) and still have stars like DeMarcus Ware, but need to perform better as a defensive unit than they did last season.  Rob Ryan might come under some pressure as DC if they don't.

They'll be close to a .500 record this season (no worse than 6-10), but the problem is that this could still leave them bottom of the pile in the division.  I think it'll be close between them and the Redskins as to who gets 3rd place.

More divisions to follow as and when I can get them down...


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 05, 2012, 11:24:39 PM
Yup

I was rather poorly making the point that in this division each year 3 of the teams are usually pretty evenly matched, so taking exception to redarmi's comment "I can't have that Dallas are anything close to the team NYG are on a neutral field " I can, and the other teams in the division too.

The Redskins have been poor for five years, could improve rapidly this year with their first franchise QB in ages, so make that all four teams capable of beating each other

Griffin is said, I saw yesterday, to run like Vick, throw it like Manning and have Brady's brain..that can turn round a team quick (see Newton/Panthers for something similar)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 05, 2012, 11:28:27 PM
Must resist Sheriff, must resist. I think we'll be better than that

[  ] Good luck to the Eagles this season

:-0)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 05, 2012, 11:32:40 PM
Must resist Sheriff, must resist. I think we'll be better than that

[  ] Good luck to the Eagles this season

:-0)

There must be a prop bet in there somewhere, but did genuinely try to take all bias out of this (I wrote most of this yesterday, and had abandoned it as an exercise, but the Facebook banter prompted me to resurrect it!  Only 7 more divisions to go before Sunday, but I really think there's some value in seeing how shockingly bad my predictions turn out at the end of the season.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 05, 2012, 11:35:16 PM
Must resist Sheriff, must resist. I think we'll be better than that

[  ] Good luck to the Eagles this season

:-0)

There must be a prop bet in there somewhere, but did genuinely try to take all bias out of this (I wrote most of this yesterday, and had abandoned it as an exercise, but the Facebook banter prompted me to resurrect it!  Only 7 more divisions to go before Sunday, but I really think there's some value in seeing how shockingly bad my predictions turn out at the end of the season.

Agree, always great fun (and often very wrong by all the experts)

Enjoyed reading it.



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on September 05, 2012, 11:40:43 PM
When i say I can't have them as anything near Dallas on a neutral field you might be taking it more extremely than I meant.  For sure they are within a couple of points of each other but there is no doubt in my mind that assessing the division now the Giants have to be considered the better team.  I made this game NYG -5.5 the difference between 3.5 and 5.5 isn't enough for me to make it a bet but at -3 10/11 it is a decent bet for me....the difference between 3 and 3.5 is that big.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 05, 2012, 11:42:21 PM
When i say I can't have them as anything near Dallas on a neutral field you might be taking it more extremely than I meant.  For sure they are within a couple of points of each other but there is no doubt in my mind that assessing the division now the Giants have to be considered the better team.  I made this game NYG -5.5 the difference between 3.5 and 5.5 isn't enough for me to make it a bet but at -3 10/11 it is a decent bet for me....the difference between 3 and 3.5 is that big.

Understood

the game being scored in 3's and 7's makes the actually 0.5 point movement in a spread around 3,4,5 important, right?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 05, 2012, 11:46:08 PM
Romo targeted Witten at least 5 times in all but 2 games last season, including final 6 games. He was targeted at least 7 times in 9 games.

He's now confirmed out

Huge loss, both in receiving and blocking

Jean Pierre Paul is enough of a monster as it is....


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 05, 2012, 11:47:36 PM
Great report, Sheriff. Lot of love for Philly this season on the blogs. Can they keep Vick on his feet? If they do, serious contenders IMO.

AFC East, if you please ;)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: ChipRich on September 05, 2012, 11:49:27 PM
Romo targeted Witten at least 5 times in all but 2 games last season, including final 6 games. He was targeted at least 7 times in 9 games.

He's now confirmed out

Huge loss, both in receiving and blocking

Jean Pierre Paul is enough of a monster as it is....

Where you get this info from mate? We've been keeping an eye on it and latest report we've got is:

Jonathan Bales ‏@TheCowboysTimes

Jason Witten is warming up pretty vigorously on the field. Strange situation right now, but it appears he has a legitimate shot to play.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 05, 2012, 11:50:20 PM
Romo targeted Witten at least 5 times in all but 2 games last season, including final 6 games. He was targeted at least 7 times in 9 games.

He's now confirmed out

Huge loss, both in receiving and blocking

Jean Pierre Paul is enough of a monster as it is....

Where you get this info from mate? We've been keeping an eye on it and latest report we've got is:

Jonathan Bales ‏@TheCowboysTimes

Jason Witten is warming up pretty vigorously on the field. Strange situation right now, but it appears he has a legitimate shot to play.

steven wayne dennis ‏@cbs11swd

CBS11 Sports has reported at both 4pm and 5pm that Jason Witten is OUT tonight. Just in case you weren't watching.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 05, 2012, 11:52:08 PM
Dan Graziano ‏@espn_nfceast

Witten is on the field catching passes from Romo. His spleen looks fine from here.



that was juast now


lol, toss a coin


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 05, 2012, 11:53:35 PM
The Cowboys appear to have employed Mike Shanahan for the evening.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: LeKnave on September 05, 2012, 11:53:44 PM
Great report, Sheriff. Lot of love for Philly this season on the blogs. Can they keep Vick on his feet? If they do, serious contenders IMO.

AFC East, if you please ;)

Patriots, amazing side, will absolutely hose.
Bills, million
Jets, million
Fins, rofl


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 05, 2012, 11:56:21 PM
Great report, Sheriff. Lot of love for Philly this season on the blogs. Can they keep Vick on his feet? If they do, serious contenders IMO.

AFC East, if you please ;)

Patriots, amazing side, will absolutely hose.
Bills, million
Jets, million
Fins, rofl

Hang on let me get a pen...

 ;carlocitrone;


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 05, 2012, 11:57:30 PM
NFC West

49ers Defense,defense. Win division

Seahawks So so, improving

Rams Young and Mediocre

Cardinals Might win a game



Someone else's turn, pick a divison.....




Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 05, 2012, 11:58:31 PM
The Cowboys appear to have employed Mike Shanahan for the evening.

@calvinwatkins: The Cowboys are treating this Witten injury as if the CIA is involved.

FML, just make a decision!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: ChipRich on September 06, 2012, 12:00:01 AM
reckon he plays.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: ChipRich on September 06, 2012, 12:05:07 AM
Chris Mortensen ‏@mortreport

Jason Witten is playing for Cowboys, per sources. Cleared by doctors. # NFL32


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 06, 2012, 12:06:36 AM
Nick Eatman ‏@nickeatman

He's playing! Witten is active


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 06, 2012, 12:14:51 AM
AFC North

Ravens - squeak into top spot by winning the head to heads. Just.
Steelers - 80th season. current DL played in all 80. Big Ben needs to pull even more this year to top the Ravens.
Bengals - funnest team to watch in the division but def third
Browns - rival the Jags and Dolphins for number one draft pick next season.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 06, 2012, 12:17:08 AM
First montage. Fitzpatrick sacked. Marv.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on September 06, 2012, 12:19:40 AM
Seeing a few tweets quoted on here.

Good people to follow NFL related?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on September 06, 2012, 12:40:35 AM
When i say I can't have them as anything near Dallas on a neutral field you might be taking it more extremely than I meant.  For sure they are within a couple of points of each other but there is no doubt in my mind that assessing the division now the Giants have to be considered the better team.  I made this game NYG -5.5 the difference between 3.5 and 5.5 isn't enough for me to make it a bet but at -3 10/11 it is a decent bet for me....the difference between 3 and 3.5 is that big.

Understood

the game being scored in 3's and 7's makes the actually 0.5 point movement in a spread around 3,4,5 important, right?

On and off 3 is the most important move followed by on and off of 7.  Everything else is less important although 10 has some value.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 06, 2012, 12:43:46 AM
I'd still be cautious about Witten's impact tonight, even though he's declared active.  He might end up being more of a decoy than his usual pass-catching self if he's not fully fit, which is what seems to happen with a lot of questionably fit Tight Ends.

That is one serious injury to overcome in a relatively short time-frame.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 06, 2012, 01:09:06 AM
NFC North

Prediction: 1) Packers 2) Bears 3) Lions 4) Vikings

Green Bay Packers - It's easy to forget nowadays that for most of last season, the consensus view wasn't whether the Packers would win the Superbowl again, but whether they'd achieve a perfect season.  Every weekly power ranking had them as the undisputed No1 team, and rightly so for much of the year.  However, things started to unravel at the business end of the season with a shock loss to the Chiefs and suddenly there were chinks in the armour for everyone to have hope.  Eventually, they lost to the Giants in the play-offs by which time no-one was genuinely shocked anymore.

However, they are undisputedly a quality outfit, and will be determined to put things right this season and this should mean they run out comfortable winners in the division once again.

In Aaron Rodgers, they have the most complete player in the NFL at the moment, and he will no doubt shine once again in launching a devastating passing game upon all and sundry.  Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, and a talented supporting cast will have a field day.  The difference this season is that the Packers may also have a running game to complement things.  Doubts over James Starks' fitness led them to bring in Cedric Benson in free agency, in addition to the rehabilitated Alex Green and talented Brandon Saine, and they also made a significant move in final roster cuts in electing to keep Starks in the final 53, when many had predicted he would be released.  They've not relied heavily on having a run game in recent seasons (and haven't really needed to) but Benson is a true 'pound the rock' RB, the likes of which they've not had available in that time, and he'll help bring more balance to the offense.

The issue once again will be the defence (the secondary was particularly terrible last year, but the Packers just relied on being able to outscore the other team) and this was heavily addressed during the draft.  The question is how quickly this will impact the team, but if it takes time the Packers will still be able to pile points at will on most teams and win a lot of shootouts.  Impossible to ignore them in the final shake up, and they no longer have the pressure of being the defending champions.

Chicago Bears - The Bears were chugging along nicely after a difficult start last season and starting to look like genuine contenders (albeit one of three in the same division!) when Jay Cutler got injured and the season fell apart.  Caleb Hanie showed that his heroics in the NFC Championship game the previous season were largely a one-off and matters weren't helped by injuries to Matt Forte and Johnny Knox (still one of the worst sports injury moments I've ever witnessed - I'm amazed he's still walking!)

This time around they have Cutler back, Michael Bush from the Raiders as a 2nd RB behind Forte (who's been in contract dispute for a lot of the pre-season but is now back in the fold), and have 2 new weapons at WR in Brandon Marshall from the Dolphins and Alshon Jeffery via the draft.  Jason Campbell is a solid backup QB so there's cover in place should Cutler go down again.  The offence might also benefit from Mike Martz no longer being there as OC and might at least save Cutler from a few unnecessary sacks this year.

The bigger questions are around the Defence, especially with Brian Erlacher coming off knee surgery.  If he's not 100% then it'll be a major blow for the unit, but the Bears overall should be a much stronger outfit this season.  They'll need to be, given that they have the Packers and Lions to contend with to make the post-season!

Detroit Lions - Very tough call to put them in 3rd place as they were one of the highlights of last season for me, and that decision is largely down to the improved strength of the Bears, rather than a significant weakness of the Lions.  However, I think they made a serious error of judgement in not strengthening the Running Back position and they look desperately thin on the ground in the running game.  Jahvid Best starts on the PUP list, following numerous issues with concussions, and I'd be surprised if he plays again (still not being fully recovered from a concussion that occurred almost a year ago is not a good place to be for an RB).  Mikel LeShoure could be explosive once he serves his drug-related suspension, but no-one really knows yet how good he is and in the meantime they're relying on Kevin Smith and Keiland Williams.

Matt Stafford did prove he could get through a season without injury though, and Calvin Johnson is as unplayable as a Wide Receiver gets, so the passing game will be devastating again through both the WR corps and the 2 main Tight Ends, Pettigrew and Scheffler.  However, they're even more one-dimension than the Packers in their reliance on the pass.

Defensively, they are as scary as they come, but Ndamokung Suh needs to get back to his rookie year form and cut out the reputation for being a dirty player, rather than a hard one.  If he does, then they have the potential to repeat last seasons play-off run (even from 3rd place in the division) but there's a few too many question marks about them for me this season and I think they'll take a slight step back.

Minnesota Vikings - Very disappointing performance last season, and they're in a nightmare spot in this division.  They rely so heavily on Adrian Peterson, who is coming off ACL injury and will have a question mark over his fitness for the whole season.  Christian Ponder did some good things, and should benefit from the experience and also having a training camp this season (last year's was ruled out via the players' holdout).  The Vikings used their high draft pick on Matt Kahlil at LT, and he'll be a solid pick and will immediately improve Ponder's protection but you look at their depth chart and, one or two players aside, are left thinking that there isn't much there to get excited about.

Defensively, Jared Allen is a sack machine, and the defense overall will keep them in many games, but I'm struggling to see how they'll score enough points in enough games to prevent another season as one of the bottom feeders in the league.  They'll be a contender for the 1st overall pick, I think, although my gut feel is that there's worse out there.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 06, 2012, 09:05:14 AM
So the experts didn't start too well.

(http://i.imgur.com/Mcdbw.jpg)

 ;D


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: tikay on September 06, 2012, 09:06:52 AM

If I wanted to find up to date stats, from, say, last night's game, where is the best place to look, please?



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 06, 2012, 09:14:38 AM

If I wanted to find up to date stats, from, say, last night's game, where is the best place to look, please?



http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/gameflash/2012/09/05/4893/index.html#boxscore

Was a lot of fun


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 06, 2012, 09:19:44 AM
AFC North

Ravens - squeak into top spot by winning the head to heads. Just.
Steelers - 80th season. current DL played in all 80. Big Ben needs to pull even more this year to top the Ravens.
Bengals - funnest team to watch in the division but def third
Browns - rival the Jags and Dolphins for number one draft pick next season.


Bengals will win the division

Terrific defense

Dalton in yr 2 with emerging superstars A J Green and Gresham


Ravens ageing on Defense, minus Suggs. Won't be as stingey this year.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TheChipPrince on September 06, 2012, 09:21:52 AM
Is home advantage about the same as in football?

or not so much?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 06, 2012, 09:23:53 AM
Is home advantage about the same as in football?

or not so much?

generally less, though some stadiums have more rabid fans than others

Major factor is also different playing conditions...outdoors/indoors, turf or carpet



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: tikay on September 06, 2012, 09:25:29 AM
Is home advantage about the same as in football?

or not so much?

generally less, though some stadiums have more rabid fans than others

Major factor is also different playing conditions...outdoors/indoors, turf or carpet



Carpet?



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 06, 2012, 09:26:52 AM
Is home advantage about the same as in football?

or not so much?

generally less, though some stadiums have more rabid fans than others

Major factor is also different playing conditions...outdoors/indoors, turf or carpet



Carpet?



Astroturf, or variants


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: tikay on September 06, 2012, 09:27:14 AM

If I wanted to find up to date stats, from, say, last night's game, where is the best place to look, please?



http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/gameflash/2012/09/05/4893/index.html#boxscore

Was a lot of fun

Superb

Thanks Rich, that was exactly what I needed.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Simon Galloway on September 06, 2012, 09:37:45 AM
weather obv.. a trip to Green Bay in Dec is not the same as a trip to Tampa in Dec...


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 06, 2012, 09:53:24 AM
AFC North

Ravens - squeak into top spot by winning the head to heads. Just.
Steelers - 80th season. current DL played in all 80. Big Ben needs to pull even more this year to top the Ravens.
Bengals - funnest team to watch in the division but def third
Browns - rival the Jags and Dolphins for number one draft pick next season.


Bengals will win the division

Terrific defense

Dalton in yr 2 with emerging superstars A J Green and Gresham


Ravens ageing on Defense, minus Suggs. Won't be as stingey this year.

At some stage, Flacco is actually going to look like a really good QB. Have the Bengals really got enough variety in offence against the two big defences?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on September 06, 2012, 03:48:13 PM
weather obv.. a trip to Green Bay in Dec is not the same as a trip to Tampa in Dec...

Altitude in Denver really makes a difference,


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Horneris on September 06, 2012, 05:19:44 PM
Seeing a few tweets quoted on here.

Good people to follow NFL related?

http://mashable.com/2012/09/06/twitter-accounts-nfl/#86187ChrisBurke_SI


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 07, 2012, 09:36:25 PM
player  suspensions for bountygate have been overturned.

all players can play this weekend which is huge for New Orleans


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 08, 2012, 05:27:14 PM
Just one more sleep to go guys.  ;cheerleader;

My two bets so far have got one great line and one bad line and I've added the Jets minus 2 and a half v Buffalo at 10/11.

The line has fallen a long way and everyone seems to love the Bills who have deffo improved on D and are steady on O but the momentum of this plunge seems to have come from the Jets pre season form which was woeful. The problem I have with this is the Jets have basically kept all their new Tebow offensive plays under wraps and played all the games with a 'don't give anything away' mentality. Sanchez looks like playing as the regular qb with Tebow in for certain plays/situations and almost certainly around the goal line. I also think their rookie wr Stephen Hill is a real player so I am working on the assumption they are being written off far too easily because of 4 pre season games they didn't want to play and they are very tough to beat in their home games.

has anyone had any other bets?







Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on September 09, 2012, 01:01:13 AM
So far I am on Buffalo +3 10/11, Arizona +3 10/11 and St Louis +7 embarassingly....although I am not so embarrassed I won't be topping up tomorrow.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 09, 2012, 11:27:36 AM
So far I am on Buffalo +3 10/11, Arizona +3 10/11 and St Louis +7 embarassingly....although I am not so embarrassed I won't be topping up tomorrow.

gl Red. I hope the Jets Bills game hits one of our lines  :)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 09, 2012, 11:42:45 AM
So far I am on Buffalo +3 10/11, Arizona +3 10/11 and St Louis +7 embarassingly....although I am not so embarrassed I won't be topping up tomorrow.

gl Red. I hope the Jets Bills game hits one of our lines  :)

I don't bet on the first week. I just want the Bills to win!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 09, 2012, 11:55:48 AM
So far I am on Buffalo +3 10/11, Arizona +3 10/11 and St Louis +7 embarassingly....although I am not so embarrassed I won't be topping up tomorrow.

gl Red. I hope the Jets Bills game hits one of our lines  :)

I don't bet on the first week. I just want the Bills to win!


I will be very happy for you if they go 15-1 Tal but I hope they win their last 15 if they do.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on September 09, 2012, 12:42:23 PM
So far I am on Buffalo +3 10/11, Arizona +3 10/11 and St Louis +7 embarassingly....although I am not so embarrassed I won't be topping up tomorrow.

gl Red. I hope the Jets Bills game hits one of our lines  :)

I hope they win by 2.5 too ;-). 


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 09, 2012, 12:43:02 PM
lol


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 09, 2012, 08:11:39 PM
This is getting really quite unpleasant!

[Grits teeth] Well done to anyone who's backed the Jets.

 ;frustrated;


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 09, 2012, 08:12:45 PM
Vikings 14-12 Jags after the third.

HOLD!!!!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 09, 2012, 10:50:21 PM
Eagles sneak a thoroughly unconvincing win against the might of the Browns.

I think Vick may have completed more passes to Browns players than Eagles.  Thankfully Brandon Weedon was equally inept.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 10, 2012, 12:22:04 AM
Getting sick and tired of the comms criticising the replacement zebras.

It's not as though the regulars never make a mistake is it?

And John Harbaugh is getting on my tits.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Acidmouse on September 10, 2012, 12:55:45 AM
they nearly cost my beloved 49ers with some shocking decisions..


Move over Greenbay....49ers in town..


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 10, 2012, 12:58:10 AM
It has been awful in some games tho. They are now trying to work out how many Timeouts Seattle have left in this game, pretty important when they need a TD with 30 secs left.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 10, 2012, 12:59:06 AM
The game has just stopped and none of the officials have a clue.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 10, 2012, 12:59:46 AM
It has been awful in some games tho. They are now trying to work out how many Timeouts Seattle have left in this game, pretty important when they need a TD with 30 secs left.

Wasn't there a playoff game where a team got 5 downs once?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 10, 2012, 01:08:47 AM
It has been awful in some games tho. They are now trying to work out how many Timeouts Seattle have left in this game, pretty important when they need a TD with 30 secs left.

Wasn't there a playoff game where a team got 5 downs once?

I think there was somewhere, I can't remember which game it was tho, it prob involved San Diego, they usually get a few howlers each season.





Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 10, 2012, 01:55:06 AM
It has been awful in some games tho. They are now trying to work out how many Timeouts Seattle have left in this game, pretty important when they need a TD with 30 secs left.

Would have been nice if Wilson could have converted one of those 6 downs they had.......

Cost me a bottle him not being able to finish, gutted as I thought Baldwin had held for a second :(


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 10, 2012, 02:23:50 AM
Yes that was ul there Marky. I thought it was a td too.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: LeKnave on September 10, 2012, 02:43:17 AM
It has been awful in some games tho. They are now trying to work out how many Timeouts Seattle have left in this game, pretty important when they need a TD with 30 secs left.

Would have been nice if Wilson could have converted one of those 6 downs they had.......

Cost me a bottle him not being able to finish, gutted as I thought Baldwin had held for a second :(

yeah that made massively tilting viewing.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: vegaslover on September 10, 2012, 12:25:08 PM
Comms did go on and on about the replacements, on literally every play.
Saying that plenty of howlers today too by the officials


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Nakor on September 10, 2012, 01:16:09 PM
The decision to view the replays on the big screens in the stadium while the officials are making decision's surly should have been put back until the "propoer" official teams returned?
Having the home crowd howling for a home field decision's hardly helped the situation.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Simon Galloway on September 10, 2012, 04:28:17 PM
What do we fancy tonight?

Tentative SD on ML and some kind of Unders bet /BEN + pts combo in the other...


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 10, 2012, 08:47:03 PM
Cincy with the spread and Unders on points in the West Coast game for me

Won't stay awake though, sadly


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: AceHighSuited on September 10, 2012, 10:57:11 PM
None of the games shown live in the UK this evening?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 10, 2012, 11:04:35 PM
None of the games shown live in the UK this evening?

both are on the BBC red button, first game is midnight but not sure if the show starts earlier.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 10, 2012, 11:33:54 PM
Live stream on BBC Sport website too.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: LeKnave on September 10, 2012, 11:42:56 PM
small bias bet on the bolts @ 21/20.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: LeKnave on September 11, 2012, 12:28:37 AM
Coverage on interactive doing my head in, what are those terrible 1970's graphics every 2 minutes.

Game pass every monday night I think.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: AceHighSuited on September 11, 2012, 12:35:43 AM
Coverage on interactive doing my head in, what are those terrible 1970's graphics every 2 minutes.

Game pass every monday night I think.

This.  So effing tilting.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 11, 2012, 01:49:54 AM
Love the over 21.5 for second half points in Cincy/Balt

I made it 23.5 or even 24.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 11, 2012, 01:57:59 AM
Made it through a half but had to switch to GamePass after being tilted by the music and the Bengals bio showing Ochocinco and TO!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 11, 2012, 02:23:27 AM
This Baltimore Defense is a shadow of former days.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 11, 2012, 02:45:11 AM
Love the over 21.5 for second half points in Cincy/Balt

I made it 23.5 or even 24.

Weighed in.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 11, 2012, 02:59:47 AM
well done mate.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 11, 2012, 11:29:37 AM
Anyone going to argue against the overwhelming favourites for the AFC divisions being?

Patriots
Texans
Broncos
Ravens


And that the NFC has a lot more strength than the AFC?

Saints, Panthers, Falcons, Tampa is a tight division

East is a horrible tough division, particularly with RG3 catapulting the SKins out of the doldrums

Detroit, Chicago or Packers is a tough call

Can only really give the 49ers a clear favouritism in their division

the NFC is stacked


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 11, 2012, 12:36:59 PM
Anyone going to argue against the overwhelming favourites for the AFC divisions being?

Patriots
Texans
Broncos
Ravens


And that the NFC has a lot more strength than the AFC?

Saints, Panthers, Falcons, Tampa is a tight division

East is a horrible tough division, particularly with RG3 catapulting the SKins out of the doldrums

Detroit, Chicago or Packers is a tough call

Can only really give the 49ers a clear favouritism in their division

the NFC is stacked

I wouldn't make the Broncos overwhelming favourites in their division - still think they'll be challenged by the Chargers and Chiefs despite Week 1 results

I also think its been an over-reaction to their win as the Steelers are weaker this year with the banged up O-line and lack of running game.  Beating them at Mile High isn't really a surprise to me and the Broncos will have tougher tests.

Agree with everything else though.  The NFC is stacked compared to the AFC in terms of numbers of teams who can challenge but the top 3 (Pats, Ravens, Texans) are as good as the NFC's best so it's evenly matched between the two once you get down to the business end of the season.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on September 11, 2012, 04:47:29 PM
BBC coverage was pretty tilting with the graphics in the breaks, but the games are up on iplayer so you can fast forward through all the rubbish and watch the game in about 2 hours.



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 11, 2012, 04:52:40 PM
BBC coverage was pretty tilting with the graphics in the breaks, but the games are up on iplayer so you can fast forward through all the rubbish and watch the game in about 2 hours.



Agree

Surely not to much to ask for a couple of talking heads in a studio for the ad breaks?

and why not bang it onto BBC3 to save the red button malarky?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Royal Flush on September 11, 2012, 05:09:15 PM
Was watching the Ravens/Bengals game on ESPN America in a bar in HD...


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on September 11, 2012, 05:13:39 PM
Was watching the Ravens/Bengals game on ESPN America in a bar in HD...

Presumably this was a non uk version of ESPN america?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Simon Galloway on September 11, 2012, 10:01:00 PM
Next up... Bears @ GB

I'm asking rather than telling (i.e. DO NOT put a shilling on anything I say)

Bears +6 and Over 50.5?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 11, 2012, 10:08:55 PM
Next up... Bears @ GB

I'm asking rather than telling (i.e. DO NOT put a shilling on anything I say)

Bears +6 and Over 50.5?


Yes

Rodgers has to go through the air as the Packers OL/run game is so bad, and the GB defense is questionable

Cutler has Marshall to throw at 96 times a game

Should be points, and its not a 6 handicap game imo


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Horneris on September 11, 2012, 11:45:15 PM
Hope you're right but do The Bears have the same tools San Fran did at corner and defensive end in the way they managed to cut down the supply to the likes of Nelson and Jennings for pretty much the whole game.

I'm not sure. No bet game for me atm.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: the sicilian on September 12, 2012, 12:34:30 PM
points ahoy !


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 13, 2012, 12:33:42 AM
Ive had a small bet on Green Bay minus 5 at 10/11 by buying the 1/2 pt with Pinny.

They were giving the same line to San Fran on Sunday, I agree with Dave above in thinking that Chicago's D will not have the success the 49ers did. One thing I do think could be important is Green Bay might well be able to get at Cutler a lot and when you can do that he makes mistakes, so I hope that's the case 2morrow. There should be plenty of O from both sides so should be a good game.

A good team, at home against a big rival on the rebound from a bad loss against a team that might be flattered by beating up a bad team on Sunday was enough to get a small bet.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on September 13, 2012, 01:02:09 AM
Ive had a small bet on Green Bay minus 5 at 10/11 by buying the 1/2 pt with Pinny.

They were giving the same line to San Fran on Sunday, I agree with Dave above in thinking that Chicago's D will not have the success the 49ers did. One thing I do think could be important is Green Bay might well be able to get at Cutler a lot and when you can do that he makes mistakes, so I hope that's the case 2morrow. There should be plenty of O from both sides so should be a good game.

A good team, at home against a big rival on the rebound from a bad loss against a team that might be flattered by beating up a bad team on Sunday was enough to get a small bet.

Agree with this in general but you not worried about Jennings likely being out?  It is putting doubt in my mind....


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 13, 2012, 02:38:01 AM
Don't think I could be with GB.

Their pass defense made Alex Smith look like Joe Montana for a while and Cutler might just have a field day with all his new toys to play with running free in the Pack secondary.

This has got shootout written all over it, can't see Rodgers being as hassled as he was against the Niners either.

Was hoping to see the total posted at 49.

51.5 is a big number, but I couldn't play under.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 13, 2012, 08:13:58 AM
Don't think I could be with GB.

Their pass defense made Alex Smith look like Joe Montana for a while and Cutler might just have a field day with all his new toys to play with running free in the Pack secondary.

This has got shootout written all over it, can't see Rodgers being as hassled as he was against the Niners either.

Was hoping to see the total posted at 49.

51.5 is a big number, but I couldn't play under.

I like the analysis.

Seems to me like the Saints a couple of years ago: always giving up points but perfectly capable of scoring more.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 13, 2012, 01:24:33 PM
Ive had a small bet on Green Bay minus 5 at 10/11 by buying the 1/2 pt with Pinny.

They were giving the same line to San Fran on Sunday, I agree with Dave above in thinking that Chicago's D will not have the success the 49ers did. One thing I do think could be important is Green Bay might well be able to get at Cutler a lot and when you can do that he makes mistakes, so I hope that's the case 2morrow. There should be plenty of O from both sides so should be a good game.

A good team, at home against a big rival on the rebound from a bad loss against a team that might be flattered by beating up a bad team on Sunday was enough to get a small bet.

Agree with this in general but you not worried about Jennings likely being out?  It is putting doubt in my mind....

Hi Red

I would ratherJennings play but not half  fit and Jones would be a starter in a decent % of NFL teams. Jennings being out is accounted for in the line too now as it was a solid 6 earlier in the week and settled at 5 with the injury news. It's deffo not  a  big fancy but of all the spots on the GB roster wr has to be the one area they have excellent cover.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TL900 on September 13, 2012, 03:34:39 PM
really looking forward to the scoring fest tonight. I wouldn't wana pick a side to win/handicap but I might just bet the over just so I can root for points even if it is high.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: the sicilian on September 13, 2012, 04:24:27 PM
on overs so will be 10-6 obv


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 14, 2012, 04:45:02 AM
Ive had a small bet on Green Bay minus 5 at 10/11 by buying the 1/2 pt with Pinny.

They were giving the same line to San Fran on Sunday, I agree with Dave above in thinking that Chicago's D will not have the success the 49ers did. One thing I do think could be important is Green Bay might well be able to get at Cutler a lot and when you can do that he makes mistakes, so I hope that's the case 2morrow. There should be plenty of O from both sides so should be a good game.

A good team, at home against a big rival on the rebound from a bad loss against a team that might be flattered by beating up a bad team on Sunday was enough to get a small bet.

7 sacks and 4 interceptions on Cutler, he never had a chance. :)up


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 14, 2012, 08:41:12 AM
Well done

Completely underestimated how average the Chicago OL remains,

Once Cutler gets happy feet and is throwing off balance etc, the game is up

I suppose I'd get Happy feet with Clay Matthews in my face for 60 mnutes! 


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 14, 2012, 07:06:52 PM
Advice please

the Steelers are 5 point favourites over the Jets

It's been announced that Revis, Keller and Bryan Thomas are out for the Jets since that line was made

I had in mind that the Steelers could well bounce back from the opening week loss (OL weaknesses aside) and that week 1 flattered the Jets (Buffalo hardly showed up, and Sanchez moved the ball at will, which is rare for him)

but I am a bit mystified why the Steelers would be priced at -5. It seems a bounce back is priced in

Any views on the game/spread?



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 14, 2012, 07:39:39 PM
Advice please

the Steelers are 5 point favourites over the Jets

It's been announced that Revis, Keller and Bryan Thomas are out for the Jets since that line was made

I had in mind that the Steelers could well bounce back from the opening week loss (OL weaknesses aside) and that week 1 flattered the Jets (Buffalo hardly showed up, and Sanchez moved the ball at will, which is rare for him)

but I am a bit mystified why the Steelers would be priced at -5. It seems a bounce back is priced in

Any views on the game/spread?



Assume 3pts of the spread relates to home advantage (it varies from team to team but I'd imagine that the Steelers at Heinz Field is considered one of the stronger home advantages).
Partly some remaining doubt over the Jets, given how poor they were in pre-season (and there'll be some devaluation of beating up on a Bills team who lost a RB and WR, and were generally poor).
The "Steelers factor" - generally, no matter how bad things look with them they have a nasty habit of burning you and find a way to up their game in the face of negativity.
The Jets injuries are, to an extent offset by the Steelers injuries - O-line and RB position the most obvious.  There's nothing really to inspire confidence in the run game (Dwyer looked more effective than Redman last week, which isn't saying much).
Wallace should be better this week than in week 1, after the long hold-out.  Certainly more game-ready.
As posted previously, I think there's been an over-reaction to how good the Broncos win was last week (and consequently how bad the Steelers loss was).  I'm not sure you can read too much in the road team losing at altitude in relatively warm weather.

As long as you buy the homefield advantage being worth around 3pts (the basic assumption) I don't think that the line looks massively out at -5.  I'm not sure which side of it I'd want to be on (probably the Steelers at a push), which suggests it's about right to me.

There's too many unknown factors for me at this stage of the season.  More so than with a lot of other teams in the league, I'm not sure we can have any confidence that we saw the true version of either team last week and overall I'd say the Steeler were still the stronger team of the two.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on September 16, 2012, 05:55:55 PM
So far I have Baltimore 7/5 and Seattle 31/20. Only for small stakes though, it looks a really tough week.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 16, 2012, 05:59:40 PM
I didn't find one hcap or total I liked enough to bet so no bets other than a few player performance totals I liked.

good luck guys


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 16, 2012, 06:07:44 PM
How did the Chiefs play last week? Any value in the Bills' first home game?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 16, 2012, 06:08:35 PM
Only through loyalty did I not pile on the Ravens +2.5 earlier.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 16, 2012, 06:09:49 PM
How did the Chiefs play last week? Any value in the Bills' first home game?

Chiefs had a lot of defensive 1st teamers out last week.  Defence should be better this week.

I've picked them to beat the Bills, but not confident enough to bet it.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on September 16, 2012, 08:19:13 PM
Thank you Reggie Bush, grateful for anything to cheer this season.



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 16, 2012, 09:53:04 PM
Ravens@Eagles was a fantastic game.  Eagles sneaked a 1pt win but lost half of their offensive line during the game.  Jason Kelce's injury looked awful - took a shot to the knee that sent it in in a direction it's not supposed to go.  I'll be amazed if he doesn't go to IR after that one.

Eagles have turned the ball over 9 times in the first two games and are somehow 2-0, after winning both by 1pt.

Ravens still a quality team.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on September 16, 2012, 09:57:35 PM
Thought the Eagles got a break with the botched fumble call, was obviously a pass but looked liked intentional grounding.

Was some good finishes in the early games, having red zone is awesome for those multiple close games.



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: KarmaDope on September 16, 2012, 10:00:55 PM
Thought the Eagles got a break with the botched fumble call, was obviously a pass but looked liked intentional grounding.

Was some good finishes in the early games, having red zone is awesome for those multiple close games.



Saints-Panthers was a good game, but the Redskins-Rams game just seems like it's gonna be a fight.

Oh, and after missing last week's games - just how bad are these replacement officials ffs?!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 16, 2012, 10:19:21 PM
some abs shocking officiating again tonight. Making the game look bad now when the officials are just standing looking at each other waiting for someone to make calls. It's like watching football, just a set of refs guessing and hoping they got it right.





Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on September 16, 2012, 11:26:42 PM
some abs shocking officiating again tonight. Making the game look bad now when the officials are just standing looking at each other waiting for someone to make calls. It's like watching football, just a set of refs guessing and hoping they got it right.





Ravens really suffered tonight. Perfectly good TD to seal the game disallowed and on the next sequence massive offensive holding missed when Vick would have got flattened on 2nd down and lots. Still loved that game though, tremendous battle.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on September 16, 2012, 11:34:30 PM
Oh wow, Cowboys at Seattle, staggering call. Horrible blindisde violence from Tate and they call it the other way for a little shove on the QB when he was arguably just about OOB but it was close.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 16, 2012, 11:59:07 PM
They have given a first down that was a good half yard short in this Pitts game, they then took 6 minutes to get the call right and have just given a pass int call on Number 24 Pittsburgh when he didn't touch a player on the play and there was no pass int anyway.





Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 17, 2012, 12:16:10 AM
lol, they just took another 5 minutes to miss Redmans knee down in the backfield, I am starting to feel sorry for this crew they are getting laughed at.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 17, 2012, 12:52:08 AM
Getting sick and tired of the comms criticising the replacement zebras.

It's not as though the regulars never make a mistake is it?

And John Harbaugh is getting on my tits.

I was wrong.

This week will surly surely lead to a resolution of the dispute.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on September 17, 2012, 06:17:54 PM
anythoughts on tonights total points line at 51?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 17, 2012, 07:43:01 PM
Atlanta missing Pro Bowl CB Grimes is big, and there should be a lot of points from both offenses

Think 51 has it pretty much in hand though, tbh

(then again I couldn't have got most of the games yesterday more wrong!)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 17, 2012, 08:00:54 PM
Atlanta missing Pro Bowl CB Grimes is big, and there should be a lot of points from both offenses

Think 51 has it pretty much in hand though, tbh

(then again I couldn't have got most of the games yesterday more wrong!)

I think Rich nailed it, there looks to be plenty of points but the line was 49 early in the week before Grimes was ruled out.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TL900 on September 17, 2012, 11:12:50 PM
Payton taking broncos to another win tonight?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on September 17, 2012, 11:33:57 PM
Payton taking broncos to another win tonight?

It´s tight enough but I prefer the Falcons, the money that´s come in looks to me like a public gamble on Peyton, if it moves the market sufficiently we should be taking it on. I´d be very interested in the Falcons -2.5.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Horneris on September 18, 2012, 02:05:29 AM
yay. we have a winner

http://games.espn.go.com/nfl-eliminator-challenge/en/group?groupID=6939&entryID=96726

"What did you win?"

"Fuck All!!!"


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 18, 2012, 03:39:12 AM
They refs just penalised Denver 10 yards for defensive holding.

It's a 5 yard penalty.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 18, 2012, 11:44:37 AM
yay. we have a winner

http://games.espn.go.com/nfl-eliminator-challenge/en/group?groupID=6939&entryID=96726

"What did you win?"

"Fuck All!!!"

You win game 1.  At this rate we can have a 7 game series across the season.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on September 18, 2012, 04:24:36 PM
Two hilarious examples of how embarrassing it is for the league to use these replacement zebras....

1.  They had to pull the ref from the Saints game at the last minute because someone had looked on his facebook page where he listed that he was a huge Saints fan.

2. LeSean McCoy says one of the refs told him during the game "I need you for my fantasy team"

You couldn't make this shit up!!!!!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on September 19, 2012, 08:08:54 PM

Just putting it out there for discussion as it leapt off the page due to the gulf in class between the two teams but contradicts lots of the rules I use betting profitably on NFL. Green Bay -3 at Seattle getting 9/10 with Pinny. Seems like GB match up very favourably and are a very superior team.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 21, 2012, 05:22:12 AM
Giants backups looked very impressive tonight vs Carolina, who were as bad as the Giants were good.  They leaned heavily on Barden and Brown and both had great games.

5 turnovers to 0 is never going to win a game!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 23, 2012, 06:11:55 PM
Am I the only one that thinks the Dolphins might cause an upset against the Jets tonight?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 23, 2012, 06:12:37 PM
Nice timing. Sanchez with all the time in the world picks out the cornerback


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Simon Galloway on September 23, 2012, 07:06:13 PM
Blanket taking all the points would currently be a good position.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 23, 2012, 07:19:41 PM
This weekend I am:

Chargers
Eagles
Broncos
Steelers
Patriots
Packers

Nothing too controversial this weekend.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 23, 2012, 07:46:30 PM
Chicago/St Louis Over 20 second half pts.

Get on, get paid.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Acidmouse on September 23, 2012, 09:24:33 PM
God help us with these Fuking refs, 49ers game was a complete shambles.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: the sicilian on September 23, 2012, 10:43:24 PM
Like the total points line of 44 on th green bay game tmmr.

Gb offense still a major force and the first two weeks haven't performed great but have also come against two tough defenses but still put Avg 22.5 points.... Seattle defense pretty tidy especially cleamons providing some serious rush although GB don't much up too bad With the improved Newhouse. If Rodgers can get time he will rack up good numbers and points..on the other side Seattle are powerful on the run and GB run D pretty horrible.... Could be decent points to be had 28-24 will be close but if GB can protect Rodgers enough he will get them there



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 24, 2012, 12:23:08 AM
Heyward Bey looks badly hurt here, there have been some bad head hits tonight and this was another one. Was seemingly out cold mid air and then landed badly too.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on September 24, 2012, 12:28:16 AM
The hit on Schaub was absolutely brutal.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 24, 2012, 12:32:36 AM
The hit on Schaub was absolutely brutal.

Yes, what makes  me angry is when the guy that just hit HB is now on his knees on the sidelines praying he is ok. Just launched into his head, knocked him out in mid air then acted like he hadn't done anything.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: aaron1867 on September 24, 2012, 01:03:47 AM
Any recs for the game @ 01:20?

Fancy a sweat, but have no clue. Plus, it's live on c4 :D


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: aaron1867 on September 24, 2012, 05:17:51 AM
Any recs for the game @ 01:20?

Fancy a sweat, but have no clue. Plus, it's live on c4 :D

comeeeeeeeeeeee onnnnnnnn thennnnnnnnnnn!!!

I was going to go on recs from this thread, but nobody replied, to max of £20 bet if not odds on. Nobody replied, so went for loose change in WH account. Then saw my account number change :D :D :D

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Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Horneris on September 24, 2012, 07:03:58 AM
This weekend I am:

Chargers
Eagles
Broncos
Steelers
Patriots
Packers

Nothing too controversial this weekend.

oh god, 0/5 so far.

I fancied Packers 2moro too!!!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 24, 2012, 08:24:08 AM
This weekend I am:

Chargers
Eagles
Broncos
Steelers
Patriots
Packers

Nothing too controversial this weekend.

oh god, 0/5 so far.

I fancied Packers 2moro too!!!

Unbe-flipping-lievable!

Skill game!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 24, 2012, 08:46:22 AM
Amazing weekend really, capped by the Dolphins icing Nick Folk a second before the OT field goal was blocked, then of course he makes it the next time

And the Lions 44-41 down in OT elect to go for it on 4th and 1 instead of the chip shot FG to tie and play on

and the Arizona Cardinals are 3-0

What a season this is, already.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 24, 2012, 09:01:03 AM
Buffalo winning away from home is always pleasing. Yes, the Browns aren't great shakes but we are without Fred Jackson for at least another couple of weeks.

C.J. Spiller being injured is worrying.

Not as worrying as Jacksonville winning a game, mind! Supposed to be 1-11 for a sweat!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 24, 2012, 09:28:24 AM
and the Arizona Cardinals are 3-0

They were superb in the first half yesterday, particularly defensively where they brualised the O-line and knocked Vick all over the place.

The last play of the half was the absolute killer though.  Eagles 3rd and Goal on the 1yd line and finally looking like getting points on the board.  Vick delays too long, ball knocked from his hand, picked up by a Cardinal who has an army of blockers avaiilable to take it back for a Cardinals TD.  Game over!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 24, 2012, 01:34:33 PM
Amazing weekend really, capped by the Dolphins icing Nick Folk a second before the OT field goal was blocked, then of course he makes it the next time

And the Lions 44-41 down in OT elect to go for it on 4th and 1 instead of the chip shot FG to tie and play on

and the Arizona Cardinals are 3-0

What a season this is, already.

The strange thing for me Rich is that Zona seem to have gone so far under the radar as I guess we all thought they didn't have enough at qb and rb to do well but they have now won 10 of their last 13 games and the 3 they lost in that spell were all to play off teams last season.

Can you imagine the hoopla that would be going on if higher profile teams like Dallas or Philly had done that?



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 24, 2012, 01:40:29 PM
I love how even it is, as a fan

3 teams at 3-0

2 teams at 0-3

27 teams at 2-1 and 1-2


Just been re-checking some of yesterday, the Tennessee game had a hail mary to tie, a punt return with a 28 yard lateral pass from a fourth string RB, that led to a punt return touchdown, another punt return touchdown....

and the Detroit OT was a cock up:

 "Detroit's mode of offensive communication. I tried to ferret around to see who on the Lions was at fault for the bad call midway through overtime, when the Lions, who could have tied the game with a chip-shot field goal, instead of going for it on fourth-and-eight inches in overtime. Turns out they snapped the ball, ran for it, missed -- and lost the game. "Miscommunication,'' said coach Jim Schwartz. "We were trying to draw them offsides, not go for it." Didn't work."


Fancy Seattle big time tonight, at 8/5 at home to the Packers..for stats reasons!  :)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: AndrewT on September 24, 2012, 03:29:32 PM
Noob question - do coaches always ice kickers when they have the chance (late, timeouts to burn)?  Because if they always do it, then surely it loses all effectiveness?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 24, 2012, 03:31:35 PM
Not always, though it has been a growing trend

afaik absolutely no evidence it works...they hit 77% of normal field goals and 81% of iced field goals if the stat on commentary last night is correct


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on September 24, 2012, 05:38:12 PM
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Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: smashedagain on September 24, 2012, 05:39:03 PM
Sick brag


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 24, 2012, 05:43:52 PM
Nice one Trigg!!

There is a load of nonsense there I can't make out, but I'm guessing you won 10 lumps?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on September 24, 2012, 05:53:54 PM
10 from there but laid 2k off going into the last game. Pussy balls


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: claypole on September 24, 2012, 06:02:46 PM
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Claypole texts Trigg at 5.30pm asking for NFL picks - as I want a sweat and know f*** all about the sport
Trigg has phone off as "concentrating on WCOOP" - his second less proftable job
I wake up to "oi oi oi oi" Trigg all over facebook
I get aplogetic text from Trigg saying phone off all day

FMEL

Delighted for you mate - although do have a pit of stomach feeling all day today!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 24, 2012, 06:03:11 PM
Pleased for you - go bills!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on September 24, 2012, 08:33:30 PM
my crest of a wave bets tonight are seahawks and unders 31/20 and evens, waiting on jones for FTD coups


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on September 24, 2012, 09:22:34 PM

I think the unders are of interest in Seattle. I think GB are going to make a season long commitment to run the ball as they blame their terrible defensive seasons on not controlling the clock/giving the defence adequate rest. It seems from what McCarthy has being saying preseason he is determined to get to the playoffs with a more balanced offence, even if it means having to work harder in regular season games. I don´t think the line has fully adjusted and we should be trying to take advantage. Circa 20 carries again this week for Benson is roughly what I expect, Seattle will without doubt being running it lots. Only 33 points in the GB game last week with 52 the week before although that was partly due to a punt return that clearly should have come back for a hold. Seattle´s first 2 games 36 points and 34. These points include a few special teams/defensive TD´s as well. Combined average over what is obviously a tiny sample 38.75 ppg.
Evens under 45.5 at Ladbrokes looks a very reasonable bet to me.

I´m surprised that everyone likes Seattle, it´s one of my rules not to back against Seattle at home but GB are just different class imo and perfectly capable of taking the crowd out of it on offence and giving the young QB a seriously torrid time defensively. GB -3 at a shade of odds on and GB -10.5 at 5/2 both with Pinny complete my bets.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 24, 2012, 09:28:14 PM

I think the unders are of interest in Seattle. I think GB are going to make a season long commitment to run the ball as they blame their terrible defensive seasons on not controlling the clock/giving the defence adequate rest. It seems from what McCarthy has being saying preseason he is determined to get to the playoffs with a more balanced offence, even if it means having to work harder in regular season games. I don´t think the line has fully adjusted and we should be trying to take advantage. Circa 20 carries again this week for Benson is roughly what I expect, Seattle will without doubt being running it lots. Only 33 points in the GB game last week with 52 the week before although that was partly due to a punt return that clearly should have come back for a hold. Seattle´s first 2 games 36 points and 34. These points include a few special teams/defensive TD´s as well. Combined average over what is obviously a tiny sample 38.75 ppg.
Evens under 45.5 at Ladbrokes looks a very reasonable bet to me.

I´m surprised that everyone likes Seattle, it´s one of my rules not to back against Seattle at home but GB are just different class imo and perfectly capable of taking the crowd out of it on offence and giving the young QB a seriously torrid time defensively. GB -3 at a shade of odds on and GB -10.5 at 5/2 both with Pinny complete my bets.

I can't remember the exact figure, but backing home dogs at 3 or 3.5 on SNF or MNF blind is a long term winning strategy.

It's at last worth thinking twice before laying the chalk on the road in nationally televised games.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on September 24, 2012, 09:29:41 PM
How bad/good are the Raiders this year?

It's a team I've kinda followed for many years, and I plan to go over there within the next 4 years.  From someone with limited knowledge of the game, I can't see them doing that well this year although the division is weak no?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 24, 2012, 09:39:36 PM
How bad/good are the Raiders this year?

It's a team I've kinda followed for many years, and I plan to go over there within the next 4 years.  From someone with limited knowledge of the game, I can't see them doing that well this year although the division is weak no?

Average-ish which is actually better than the appalling they've been for years

and yes the division is not the strongest

Raiders management pretty eccentric, gave up high draft picks to get Carson Palmer, and their window is pretty short. Unless they win now there is another rebuilding ahead


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 24, 2012, 09:42:03 PM
How bad/good are the Raiders this year?

It's a team I've kinda followed for many years, and I plan to go over there within the next 4 years.  From someone with limited knowledge of the game, I can't see them doing that well this year although the division is weak no?

Average-ish which is actually better than the appalling they've been for years

and yes the division is not the strongest

Raiders management pretty eccentric, gave up high draft picks to get Carson Palmer, and their window is pretty short. Unless they win now there is another rebuilding ahead

Haven't had a QB for years.

One of the iconic sets of fans tho, like the Bengals and the Steelers: a sea of colour and madness.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: KarmaDope on September 24, 2012, 09:43:40 PM
I think this just sums up the ineptness of the replacement refs this year - and yes, that is a ref's hat!

(http://sinfl.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/lolgletree.gif)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on September 24, 2012, 10:41:57 PM

I think the unders are of interest in Seattle. I think GB are going to make a season long commitment to run the ball as they blame their terrible defensive seasons on not controlling the clock/giving the defence adequate rest. It seems from what McCarthy has being saying preseason he is determined to get to the playoffs with a more balanced offence, even if it means having to work harder in regular season games. I don´t think the line has fully adjusted and we should be trying to take advantage. Circa 20 carries again this week for Benson is roughly what I expect, Seattle will without doubt being running it lots. Only 33 points in the GB game last week with 52 the week before although that was partly due to a punt return that clearly should have come back for a hold. Seattle´s first 2 games 36 points and 34. These points include a few special teams/defensive TD´s as well. Combined average over what is obviously a tiny sample 38.75 ppg.
Evens under 45.5 at Ladbrokes looks a very reasonable bet to me.

I´m surprised that everyone likes Seattle, it´s one of my rules not to back against Seattle at home but GB are just different class imo and perfectly capable of taking the crowd out of it on offence and giving the young QB a seriously torrid time defensively. GB -3 at a shade of odds on and GB -10.5 at 5/2 both with Pinny complete my bets.

I can't remember the exact figure, but backing home dogs at 3 or 3.5 on SNF or MNF blind is a long term winning strategy.

It's at last worth thinking twice before laying the chalk on the road in nationally televised games.

I am really not sure this is a profitable strategy anymore tbh Keith.  Backing home dogs in the nfl in any game used to be marginally profitable and now it certainly isn't and whilst there is a bit more public money/sentiment in the mnf and snf games they are a smaller sample.  I heard from a pretty good source the other day that some of the big syndicates actually think the line has moved so far on this now that there may be value the other way.  Also betting +3 on something that opened +4 doesn't seem like great value to me especially when the injury news has been positive for GB.  I like GB -3 fwiw but given I find it almost impossible to let a mnf game go by without a bet it probably isn't worth much.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 24, 2012, 10:50:17 PM

I think the unders are of interest in Seattle. I think GB are going to make a season long commitment to run the ball as they blame their terrible defensive seasons on not controlling the clock/giving the defence adequate rest. It seems from what McCarthy has being saying preseason he is determined to get to the playoffs with a more balanced offence, even if it means having to work harder in regular season games. I don´t think the line has fully adjusted and we should be trying to take advantage. Circa 20 carries again this week for Benson is roughly what I expect, Seattle will without doubt being running it lots. Only 33 points in the GB game last week with 52 the week before although that was partly due to a punt return that clearly should have come back for a hold. Seattle´s first 2 games 36 points and 34. These points include a few special teams/defensive TD´s as well. Combined average over what is obviously a tiny sample 38.75 ppg.
Evens under 45.5 at Ladbrokes looks a very reasonable bet to me.

I´m surprised that everyone likes Seattle, it´s one of my rules not to back against Seattle at home but GB are just different class imo and perfectly capable of taking the crowd out of it on offence and giving the young QB a seriously torrid time defensively. GB -3 at a shade of odds on and GB -10.5 at 5/2 both with Pinny complete my bets.

I can't remember the exact figure, but backing home dogs at 3 or 3.5 on SNF or MNF blind is a long term winning strategy.

It's at last worth thinking twice before laying the chalk on the road in nationally televised games.

I am really not sure this is a profitable strategy anymore tbh Keith.  Backing home dogs in the nfl in any game used to be marginally profitable and now it certainly isn't and whilst there is a bit more public money/sentiment in the mnf and snf games they are a smaller sample.  I heard from a pretty good source the other day that some of the big syndicates actually think the line has moved so far on this now that there may be value the other way.  Also betting +3 on something that opened +4 doesn't seem like great value to me especially when the injury news has been positive for GB.  I like GB -3 fwiw but given I find it almost impossible to let a mnf game go by without a bet it probably isn't worth much.

Almost certain I read that stat in the last couple of years and it covered 20+ years of games.

Maybe the market has wised up alot recently, but my natural inclination would always look to back home dogs, especially in the 3-4 point range.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: 77dave on September 25, 2012, 03:00:42 AM
What tv channel is the GB game on ?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 25, 2012, 03:01:38 AM
bbc red button mate


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: 77dave on September 25, 2012, 03:06:35 AM
Thx in the casino. They said they couldnt find it I just sent him back out to find it


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Horneris on September 25, 2012, 03:07:50 AM
This is terrible viewing.

I keep looking forward to games all Thursday/Monday and the games are fucking shite.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 25, 2012, 03:16:34 AM
This is terrible viewing.

I keep looking forward to games all Thursday/Monday and the games are fucking shite.

?

Seattle pass rush worth staying up for alone.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 25, 2012, 03:29:47 AM
Love the alterations the Packers have made at half time.

Backed them at 6/4 in running.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Horneris on September 25, 2012, 03:35:05 AM
This is terrible viewing.

I keep looking forward to games all Thursday/Monday and the games are fucking shite.

?

Seattle pass rush worth staying up for alone.

zzz, we wana see sick catches and bombs. Ok, I need Finley and Jennings to win my fantasy game too and they've been causty at best.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 25, 2012, 03:43:41 AM
If these pics get any further behind live we might aswell just follow it on CBSsports. its 2 plays behind at times


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on September 25, 2012, 03:47:48 AM
traded off on the seahawks ML bet


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Horneris on September 25, 2012, 04:32:24 AM
WHAT THE FUCK, RICE WAS STRANGLING HIM


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 25, 2012, 04:52:04 AM
oh my word

. one ref called td the other called it no td


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 25, 2012, 04:52:36 AM
shambolic. huge pass int by Tate, GB caught the ball and Seattle get the TD


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on September 25, 2012, 04:54:38 AM
OMG


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: the sicilian on September 25, 2012, 04:55:47 AM
Yikes


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 25, 2012, 04:57:30 AM
shambolic. huge pass int by Tate, GB caught the ball and Seattle et the TD

Definite pass interference, but it looked like joint possession to me.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: the sicilian on September 25, 2012, 05:00:10 AM
Lol kick the fucking point I have Over 25.5


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: ChipRich on September 25, 2012, 05:00:33 AM
Shocking shocking call.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 25, 2012, 05:01:51 AM
shambolic. huge pass int by Tate, GB caught the ball and Seattle et the TD

Definite pass interference, but it looked like joint possession to me.

guy caught it in the air and never lost it, cannot be joint possesion as he already caught it and kept it surely. Did the Seattle guy even get the ball until the GB guy had been laying on the floor with control?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: the sicilian on September 25, 2012, 05:03:09 AM
Terrible call and the earlier interference against shields ..... Paiiiii the fucking refs for Christ sake


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on September 25, 2012, 05:05:02 AM
Lol kick the fucking point I have Over 25.5

lol werent you on over 45?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 25, 2012, 05:06:55 AM
shambolic. huge pass int by Tate, GB caught the ball and Seattle et the TD

Definite pass interference, but it looked like joint possession to me.

guy caught it in the air and never lost it, cannot be joint possesion as he already caught it and kept it surely. Did the Seattle guy even get the ball until the GB guy had been laying on the floor with control?

Looked like Golden Tate had his hands on the ball at the same time.

In a disputed play like that, the bias always goes to offense.

It was a tough play to decide on.

I think the interference call on Sam Shields was a far bigger mistake on 3rd and 30.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: LeKnave on September 25, 2012, 05:08:15 AM
disgraceful


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 25, 2012, 05:08:59 AM
1.01 the ref dispute with the NFL is sorted by Thursday


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Horneris on September 25, 2012, 05:10:55 AM
Joint Possession Keith?

You're disagreeing with every single NFL analyst I follow on twitter, none of them can believe it.



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 25, 2012, 05:11:48 AM
shambolic. huge pass int by Tate, GB caught the ball and Seattle et the TD

Definite pass interference, but it looked like joint possession to me.

guy caught it in the air and never lost it, cannot be joint possesion as he already caught it and kept it surely. Did the Seattle guy even get the ball until the GB guy had been laying on the floor with control?

Looked like Golden Tate had his hands on the ball at the same time.

In a disputed play like that, the bias always goes to offense.

It was a tough play to decide on.

I think the interference call on Sam Shields was a far bigger mistake on 3rd and 30.

I agree with the pass int call but the none call of pass int by Tate in the end zone is laughable too.

The refs making diff calls when standing next to each other and then guessing which was right was truly shambolic as they are never going to be able to over rule in replay whatever they end up guessing.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Horneris on September 25, 2012, 05:14:19 AM
NFL Rule Book: "It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control."


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 25, 2012, 05:14:42 AM
Joint Possession Keith?

You're disagreeing with every single NFL analyst I follow on twitter, none of them can believe it.



When I saw it in real time, I thought it was joint possession.

By the 5th replay, ok, I see the Jennings argument.

But they haven't got super slow motion and according to Tarico it isn't a play they can overrule on instant replay.



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 25, 2012, 05:16:02 AM
And regular refs regularly disagree about calls.

It was a very difficult play to call.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: LeKnave on September 25, 2012, 05:17:49 AM
I'll be mildly surprise if you werent on the seahawks keith.

you'll be stunned to know we are on the pack.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Horneris on September 25, 2012, 05:20:30 AM
http://twitter.yfrog.com/h2botqjj


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 25, 2012, 05:20:46 AM
I'll be mildly surprise if you werent on the seahawks keith.

you'll be stunned to know we are on the pack.

I bet the Pack in running


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: LeKnave on September 25, 2012, 05:23:17 AM
I'll be mildly surprise if you werent on the seahawks keith.

you'll be stunned to know we are on the pack.

I bet the Pack in running

join the fuming robbed blind band wagon


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on September 25, 2012, 05:24:19 AM
I'll be mildly surprise if you werent on the seahawks keith.

you'll be stunned to know we are on the pack.

I bet the Pack in running

join the fuming robbed blind band wagon

Twitter is fun reading at least!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: the sicilian on September 25, 2012, 01:52:55 PM
Lol kick the fucking point I have Over 25.5

lol werent you on over 45?

lol i was ...wiped my tears away at half time and took 1td with 8 mins to go to recover some of the loss.....

that seahawk pass rush was something else though tbf...


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: ChipRich on September 26, 2012, 05:11:41 PM
According to @mortreport on sports center, an "agreement in principle is at hand" for regular refs and NFL.

very deece, plz get sorted.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Simon Galloway on September 26, 2012, 08:22:57 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/c0.4.403.403/p403x403/400907_437187349680676_809240339_n.jpg)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 26, 2012, 09:16:19 PM
Ive played Tennessee plus 12 1/2 v Houston at 9/10, will be pretty painful to watch but I think that's a nice looking start.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Laxie on September 26, 2012, 09:34:12 PM
Google having fun with the NFL problems of late...

http://www.replacementgoogle.com/


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on September 26, 2012, 09:39:57 PM
Ive played Tennessee plus 12 1/2 v Houston at 9/10, will be pretty painful to watch but I think that's a nice looking start.

Seems a big start for a divisional match up/Houston got a bit beaten up by Denver/Houston are overrated by the market just like you´d expect at 3-0.

I have it as my best of the weekend.



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 26, 2012, 09:44:43 PM
Ive played Tennessee plus 12 1/2 v Houston at 9/10, will be pretty painful to watch but I think that's a nice looking start.

Seems a big start for a divisional match up/Houston got a bit beaten up by Denver/Houston are overrated by the market just like you´d expect at 3-0.

I have it as my best of the weekend.



That's good to hear mate, I saw it the same as you. There was 1 win between these teams last season obv Houston look stronger now but that is a big start given 14 or 16 Tenn points might be enough to cover.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: 77dave on September 27, 2012, 03:39:14 AM
Any opinions on the ravens -12 against the browns on Thursday ?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on September 27, 2012, 09:01:18 AM
Any opinions on the ravens -12 against the browns on Thursday ?

The line seems about right imo, the points too. No bet for me.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Simon Galloway on September 27, 2012, 09:28:25 AM
I have a season long "pai gow" bet on the midweek games.  We take it in turns to offer the other person the hcap line and the total points line.  That person can choose which side of which line they want, the other person gets to choose which side of the other line they want.  Next game, in reverse.  Largely pointless, of course, but there is often some level 2 and 3 thinking quoting lines away from the established lines to nick half a point just second guessing the other person's intentions, as well as some vig-free interest when not inclined to have a proper bet.

This week they offered me CLE +12 and +/- 43.5.  I'm always tempted to back anyone against anyone for 2TD spots when offered.  However, on this game, I couldn't bring myself to pick CLE +12, they are just that bad it seems.  So I chose over 43.5 and hoped the other guy would pick CLE +12 ~ (i.o.w. if there was a gun to my head I'd take the Ravens but otherwise happy to leave it)



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 27, 2012, 09:49:25 AM
Feel much the same.

Would never want to be with a team needing to be two touchdowns better than the oppo to beat the spread.

It's where a spread over 10 is such a penal quote compared to say 9 where you can get one TD and  FG to beat it

Cleveland have some talent, particularly in the OL and at RB, but I can't see myself actively wanting to trust them at this stage

Just a watch for me


Whereas the Tennessee +12 does look interesting, totally agree with that one


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on September 28, 2012, 12:33:15 AM
on ravens over 27.5 points at 10/11, their D line looked abysmal against the bills and flacco will be deadly with that amount of time in the pocket tonight.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on September 28, 2012, 12:50:48 AM
anyone know if tonights game is blacked out on gamepass or not?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 28, 2012, 01:05:00 AM
anyone know if tonights game is blacked out on gamepass or not?

None of the Thursday games have been blacked out so far, so I would assume not.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on September 28, 2012, 01:24:22 AM
thanks


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on September 28, 2012, 01:31:54 AM
anyone want the unders or cleveland +12 quickly?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on September 28, 2012, 01:33:35 AM
Yeah - will take either or both for up to 200


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on September 28, 2012, 01:34:11 AM
assuming total is 43.5


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on September 28, 2012, 01:36:11 AM
both for £50 each?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on September 28, 2012, 01:36:55 AM
Okay - so i got Clev +12 and Under 43.5 at evens for 50 each.  Confirm plz


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on September 28, 2012, 01:37:22 AM
booked i got ravens -12 and overs


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: AceHighSuited on September 28, 2012, 01:50:23 AM
I'm on Browns + 12.5 and I have Pierce first TD. 


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Horneris on September 28, 2012, 01:59:14 AM
This reminds me of poor Jason Street  :'(


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: AceHighSuited on September 28, 2012, 01:59:33 AM
That gotta hurt.  


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 28, 2012, 02:00:49 AM
Scary looking collision for Cribbs.  I'm amazed at how many helmets I've seen fly off already this season.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: AceHighSuited on September 28, 2012, 02:06:44 AM
Scary looking collision for Cribbs.  I'm amazed at how many helmets I've seen fly off already this season.

I dunno a lot about this game, and I am learning week on week.  But how can that be a thumble.  The poor fella is almost out cold.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Horneris on September 28, 2012, 02:08:39 AM
Incred Pick


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on September 28, 2012, 02:09:58 AM
grease brent, redarmi, how u want paying


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: MajorMajor on September 28, 2012, 02:32:33 AM
Anyone have a radio link? I'm at work and usually listen to the games through tuneinradio app but recently its been shit for finding streams. Any help greatly appreciated!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 28, 2012, 09:24:34 PM
Bills 7/4 v Pats with Corals.

Pats enjoying a losing record for the first time in 9 years (apparently). We beat them at the Gillette last season.

Main concern is we are missing Jackson and Spiller and we always need 25+ to stand a chance against NE.

7/4 seems generous though. Anyone agree?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on September 28, 2012, 09:35:28 PM
Bills 7/4 v Pats with Corals.

Pats enjoying a losing record for the first time in 9 years (apparently). We beat them at the Gillette last season.

Main concern is we are missing Jackson and Spiller and we always need 25+ to stand a chance against NE.

7/4 seems generous though. Anyone agree?

Nah it's about right, maybe just favours the Pats but not playing at -3.5 or 8/15. I like Philadelphia 5/6 off scratch, Kansas +1 at evens (this line might get even better) and most of all Tennesse +12. Quite strong on all 3.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 28, 2012, 09:37:58 PM
New Orleans basically out of the playoffs already. Is it just down to the bounties or is there more to it?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 29, 2012, 10:28:03 AM
New Orleans basically out of the playoffs already. Is it just down to the bounties or is there more to it?

Huge coaching dislocation, loss of inspirational qualities of Payton. Loss of defensive personnel, currently the worst defense against the run

Obviously a very talented team still, but asking a lot to overcome all of this

Set for a huge rebound probably next season


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 29, 2012, 10:29:38 AM
Bills 7/4 v Pats with Corals.

Pats enjoying a losing record for the first time in 9 years (apparently). We beat them at the Gillette last season.

Main concern is we are missing Jackson and Spiller and we always need 25+ to stand a chance against NE.

7/4 seems generous though. Anyone agree?

Not a lot of value. That defense has so far faced Sanchez, Weeden and Cassel

Brady is going to fillet them. Fitzpatrick is going to come up againstthe best defense he's seen this season too


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 29, 2012, 10:34:33 AM
Bills 7/4 v Pats with Corals.

Pats enjoying a losing record for the first time in 9 years (apparently). We beat them at the Gillette last season.

Main concern is we are missing Jackson and Spiller and we always need 25+ to stand a chance against NE.

7/4 seems generous though. Anyone agree?

Not a lot of value. That defense has so far faced Sanchez, Weeden and Cassel

Brady is going to fillet them. Fitzpatrick is going to come up againstthe best defense he's seen this season too

Is New England's OL really that good anymore?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 29, 2012, 10:38:01 AM
Bills 7/4 v Pats with Corals.

Pats enjoying a losing record for the first time in 9 years (apparently). We beat them at the Gillette last season.

Main concern is we are missing Jackson and Spiller and we always need 25+ to stand a chance against NE.

7/4 seems generous though. Anyone agree?

Not a lot of value. That defense has so far faced Sanchez, Weeden and Cassel

Brady is going to fillet them. Fitzpatrick is going to come up againstthe best defense he's seen this season too

Is New England's OL really that good anymore?

Above average but not sensational

Don't quite trust the Bills yet.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TL900 on September 29, 2012, 03:51:41 PM
thoughts on tomorrows games? I jumped on cardinals -5.5 earlier in the week vs dolphins, moved to -6.5 so looks dec. Not sure what else i fancy.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on September 29, 2012, 03:55:17 PM
I thought the +12 Tennessee by Kukushkin was the best bet of the week, that I have seen so far


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 30, 2012, 03:06:22 AM
I thought the +12 Tennessee by Kukushkin was the best bet of the week, that I have seen so far

was my post invisible :-)

I'm on Oakland  plus 7 v Denver too. think Denver are being over rated here tho Oakland have wr injuries and some problems defending the pass. hopefully RunDMC can keep the clock and the scoreboard ticking over for Oakland and if that fails maybe Carson Palmer will do me a favour and for the first time in his life play well when I'm on.

 


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on September 30, 2012, 12:49:09 PM


No NLF on sky today?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: tikay on September 30, 2012, 01:06:06 PM


No NLF on sky today?

2 games as far as I can tell.

Patriots v Bills (6pm, Sky Sports 4)

Saints v Packers (9.25pm, Sky Sports 4)

Ch 4 has Giants v Eagles @ early-O'Clock Monday.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on September 30, 2012, 01:24:25 PM
Thanks


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on September 30, 2012, 04:49:00 PM
Not so good for the Tennessee bet with Kenny Britt being out, line was 11 1/2 earlier and 13 now so going to need Williams or Wright to catch a few more balls today.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on September 30, 2012, 11:55:13 PM

How bad to GB run, it's incredible. Rodgers injured by a horror face mask tackle, back up drops it on the goal line. 14 point swing.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on September 30, 2012, 11:56:16 PM
Was flicking over during Ryder Cup ad breaks.

Bills. Looked so good for so long!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: AceHighSuited on October 01, 2012, 12:00:41 AM
Anyone fancy anything in the late game? 

I don't know a great deal about NFL as I have stated before, but I would have thought there was value in backing The Giants?



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 01, 2012, 12:06:04 AM

How bad to GB run, it's incredible. Rodgers injured by a horror face mask tackle, back up drops it on the goal line. 14 point swing.

I feel sick at the moment


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on October 01, 2012, 12:10:28 AM
Anyone fancy anything in the late game? 

I don't know a great deal about NFL as I have stated before, but I would have thought there was value in backing The Giants?



Strong fancy for Philadelphia from me. I'm 0-3 on the night, that can't last surely?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on October 01, 2012, 12:13:28 AM

How bad to GB run, it's incredible. Rodgers injured by a horror face mask tackle, back up drops it on the goal line. 14 point swing.

I feel sick at the moment

Also there was another crazy non call of offensive pass interference for the NO first TD. Mike McCarthy's face says it all.

Edit: WTF did you just see that???? incredible.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on October 01, 2012, 12:28:48 AM
both bets abs hammered.  ;surrender;


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 01, 2012, 01:03:41 AM

How bad to GB run, it's incredible. Rodgers injured by a horror face mask tackle, back up drops it on the goal line. 14 point swing.

I feel sick at the moment

Also there was another crazy non call of offensive pass interference for the NO first TD. Mike McCarthy's face says it all.

Edit: WTF did you just see that???? incredible.


I didn't see the first NO TD, I saw Mccarthy rolling his eyes a fair bit this evening though :D

All ends well though thankfully  :P


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on October 01, 2012, 04:48:07 AM
What a finish to the Eagles - Giants game.

Thankfully we survived yet another moronic attempt to ice the kicker.  When will these coaches learn that it basically gives the guy a practice kick?

Go Birds!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 01, 2012, 05:00:42 AM
Yeah I had taken Eagles against my mate who wanted Giants and was expecting them to score with the 2nd kick......



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Acidmouse on October 01, 2012, 12:43:31 PM
After last weeks very average performance and ref decisions the 49ers crushed the Jets, thank you. Good weekend for sport (Rhinos, Golf, lufc and NFL)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: AceHighSuited on October 01, 2012, 10:31:04 PM
Fell asleep and missed the 2nd half of last nights game.  I backed Eagles to beat the spread and ended up with a push,  having told myself I was backing a suggestion in this thread by someone who knew their stuff.  I found myself reading lots of posts by Kukushkin88 and then felt like a right wally this morning when I checked scores to see that Eagles won but never beat the spread. 

Thoughts on the MNF game?  with some analysis folks for a newby who doesn't quite understand NFL. 


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on October 01, 2012, 10:38:10 PM
Fell asleep and missed the 2nd half of last nights game.  I backed Eagles to beat the spread and ended up with a push,  having told myself I was backing a suggestion in this thread by someone who knew their stuff.  I found myself reading lots of posts by Kukushkin88 and then felt like a right wally this morning when I checked scores to see that Eagles won but never beat the spread. 

Thoughts on the MNF game?  with some analysis folks for a newby who doesn't quite understand NFL. 

Surely there was plenty of Philly -1 about?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on October 01, 2012, 10:41:03 PM
Fell asleep and missed the 2nd half of last nights game.  I backed Eagles to beat the spread and ended up with a push,  having told myself I was backing a suggestion in this thread by someone who knew their stuff.  I found myself reading lots of posts by Kukushkin88 and then felt like a right wally this morning when I checked scores to see that Eagles won but never beat the spread. 

Thoughts on the MNF game?  with some analysis folks for a newby who doesn't quite understand NFL. 

In short, key battle is Dallas pass rush v Chicago O line.

If Cutler gets enough time, he could have a huge day.

Big if though.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on October 01, 2012, 10:48:16 PM
Fell asleep and missed the 2nd half of last nights game.  I backed Eagles to beat the spread and ended up with a push,  having told myself I was backing a suggestion in this thread by someone who knew their stuff.  I found myself reading lots of posts by Kukushkin88 and then felt like a right wally this morning when I checked scores to see that Eagles won but never beat the spread.  

Thoughts on the MNF game?  with some analysis folks for a newby who doesn't quite understand NFL.  

In short, key battle is Dallas pass rush v Chicago O line.

If Cutler gets enough time, he could have a huge day.

Big if though.

Over 41.5 on the points perhaps? It´s not completely dependent on Cutler having a big night but if he does then it´s pretty much there. Haven´t really done the research and don´t really have time to, so if I do have a bet it will be minimum stakes. It just seems a little low in spite of both teams problems on the O-Line. Any view from a Dallas fan??


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on October 01, 2012, 10:58:40 PM
Small bet Dallas -3 for me, Hopefully their pass rush will give Cutler as many problems as GB did and when that happens Cutler just takes chances. Dallas CB are much improved this year too so he could find it tough when he does get time.

Looks like Forte will start at RB but prob share carries with Bush for Chicago with Bush prob getting the goal line work again but they both seem to still be less than 100% with Forte returning quickly from his ankle and Bush hurting his shoulder last week.

Dallas O hasn't really clicked the last two games but away at Seattle is always a struggle and they did enough to win last time out so I'm hoping they do the same again tho its a small bet.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: AceHighSuited on October 01, 2012, 11:03:37 PM
Fell asleep and missed the 2nd half of last nights game.  I backed Eagles to beat the spread and ended up with a push,  having told myself I was backing a suggestion in this thread by someone who knew their stuff.  I found myself reading lots of posts by Kukushkin88 and then felt like a right wally this morning when I checked scores to see that Eagles won but never beat the spread. 

Thoughts on the MNF game?  with some analysis folks for a newby who doesn't quite understand NFL. 

Surely there was plenty of Philly -1 about?


Might have been bud, but I got crushed yesterday with European comeback in the golf. 

If Furyk had have won his match regardless of other results I have my biggest winning day in last 14 months.   As a result I only had funds in one place available last night, and played the -2. 


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: AceHighSuited on October 01, 2012, 11:09:11 PM
Thanks guys appreciate the responses.  I'll have a few small bets for entertainment value, I am off work tomorrow so can stay up and watch whole game. 


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: AceHighSuited on October 02, 2012, 01:41:15 AM
the tremendous lack of proper coverage from the bbc has me seething hard. 

Why can't we just have MNF back on ESPN like last year? 



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on October 02, 2012, 01:24:53 PM
early thoughts on packers -7 at indy and
browns +10 at giants plz


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on October 02, 2012, 03:24:00 PM
I backed the Packers last week and thought they were a very good bet but after the last few weeks results I have just come to the conclusion that they aren't all that good.  The O line in particular just isn't protecting Rodgers that well.  If I had to pick a 7 point favourite on the road this week I would much rather back the Texans.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on October 02, 2012, 05:55:37 PM
I thought this could be quite interesting. The three teams that have beaten New Orleans before the Packers did were all well beaten ATS the week after, it could be that beating the Saints is being over rated for the teams and in the lines.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on October 02, 2012, 08:57:29 PM
I saw an interesting stat that all of the teams that had beaten the Saints hadn't won another game themselves which leads me to believe the Saints just aren't that good.  They aren't getting beat by world beaters so Green Bay just sneaking by them isn't that impressive.  Also Seattle flattered against them and I am not yet totally convinced by San Fran.  I gave them a chance last week to prove they were a decent team but now I am fairly convinced they aren't yet they will be overbet for a while yet because they are Green Bay, they were nearly unbeaten last year and also possibly because they "should" have beat the Seahawks but actually they stunk for the first half of that game and allowed a ridiculous number of sacks.  I haven't done enough work yet but I am almost certainly a backer of an Indy side that should be improving at +7.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Simon Galloway on October 03, 2012, 07:45:45 PM
Miami fans will know about her, everyone else can just admire the scenery.

(http://gossipextra.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/lauren_tannehill_modeling_dolphins1.jpg)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on October 04, 2012, 12:09:58 AM
I saw an interesting stat that all of the teams that had beaten the Saints hadn't won another game themselves which leads me to believe the Saints just aren't that good.  They aren't getting beat by world beaters so Green Bay just sneaking by them isn't that impressive.  Also Seattle flattered against them and I am not yet totally convinced by San Fran.  I gave them a chance last week to prove they were a decent team but now I am fairly convinced they aren't yet they will be overbet for a while yet because they are Green Bay, they were nearly unbeaten last year and also possibly because they "should" have beat the Seahawks but actually they stunk for the first half of that game and allowed a ridiculous number of sacks.  I haven't done enough work yet but I am almost certainly a backer of an Indy side that should be improving at +7.

up to £500 at +7 if you want it


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on October 04, 2012, 12:20:55 AM
Miami fans will know about her, everyone else can just admire the scenery.

(http://gossipextra.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/lauren_tannehill_modeling_dolphins1.jpg)

That wall needs rendering


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on October 04, 2012, 10:38:49 PM
I saw an interesting stat that all of the teams that had beaten the Saints hadn't won another game themselves which leads me to believe the Saints just aren't that good.  They aren't getting beat by world beaters so Green Bay just sneaking by them isn't that impressive.  Also Seattle flattered against them and I am not yet totally convinced by San Fran.  I gave them a chance last week to prove they were a decent team but now I am fairly convinced they aren't yet they will be overbet for a while yet because they are Green Bay, they were nearly unbeaten last year and also possibly because they "should" have beat the Seahawks but actually they stunk for the first half of that game and allowed a ridiculous number of sacks.  I haven't done enough work yet but I am almost certainly a backer of an Indy side that should be improving at +7.

up to £500 at +7 if you want it

Only just seen this and not sure if line moved after.  Happy to take 300 if you still want it but understand if not.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: AceHighSuited on October 04, 2012, 11:52:16 PM
Anyone anything in addition to Sir BadBeat's unders bet tonight? 



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Royal Flush on October 05, 2012, 07:03:09 AM
The absolute best thing about having Tannehill as QB


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: LeKnave on October 05, 2012, 10:52:41 PM
http://profootballmock.com/?p=4810

pretty com


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on October 06, 2012, 03:59:56 AM
http://profootballmock.com/?p=4810

pretty com

Funny stuff.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: the sicilian on October 06, 2012, 07:04:18 PM
does a money line of -8 on the texans at the jets seem a good price.... jets are all over the place..have  lost a star on D and offense... got killed by SF last week 34-0 and come up against an arguably better defence this week with a more balanced offense playing and scoring well ?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on October 06, 2012, 07:28:13 PM
does a money line of -8 on the texans at the jets seem a good price.... jets are all over the place..have  lost a star on D and offense... got killed by SF last week 34-0 and come up against an arguably better defence this week with a more balanced offense playing and scoring well ?

I think it'd be a better line if it wasn't a MNF game.  The national spotlight seems to produce a much closer game than expected in matchups like this far too often.  Consequently, I'm not thrilled by the line above 7 for a road team in these circumstances, especially coming off such a humiliating loss.

The Texans are the best team in the NFL at the moment, and the Jets are definitely in the picture for being the worst, but personally I'd be leaving this one alone.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on October 06, 2012, 07:33:02 PM
Not sure the Jets are even close to being worst team in NFL although no Revis is really hurting them.  I think 8 points is too much but the public figure to lay the points and at the moment 81% of bets are on them.  I would be tempted to wait and see how high it can go.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on October 06, 2012, 08:01:29 PM
Has Rex guaranteed they'll win the Superbowl this year?



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on October 06, 2012, 08:20:47 PM
Has Rex guaranteed they'll win the Superbowl this year?

Not as far as I know.

I did think it was a pity he didn't phrase last season's guarantee as "bringing a Superbowl to New York", as he'd have given himself a solid out!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on October 06, 2012, 08:43:15 PM
Has Rex guaranteed they'll win the Superbowl this year?

Not as far as I know.

I did think it was a pity he didn't phrase last season's guarantee as "bringing a Superbowl to New York", as he'd have given himself a solid out!

Good point!

Shame, though, as he's done it for the past few years and it always cracks me up.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on October 06, 2012, 08:47:54 PM
I try my best not to laugh at him too much, out of respect for his father, Buddy Ryan, who was a great Eagles coach.  However, he does make it REALLY difficult at times.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Simon Galloway on October 06, 2012, 11:02:54 PM
does a money line of -8 on the texans at the jets seem a good price.... jets are all over the place..have  lost a star on D and offense... got killed by SF last week 34-0 and come up against an arguably better defence this week with a more balanced offense playing and scoring well ?


Another decent bet maybe the money line on Saints -10.5

That's the point spread!

ML is ~ 1/6


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: the sicilian on October 07, 2012, 12:14:40 AM
does a money line of -8 on the texans at the jets seem a good price.... jets are all over the place..have  lost a star on D and offense... got killed by SF last week 34-0 and come up against an arguably better defence this week with a more balanced offense playing and scoring well ?

L

Another decent bet maybe the money line on Saints -10.5

That's the point spread!

ML is ~ 1/6

I'm sure everyone knows what I mean


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on October 07, 2012, 11:38:11 AM
Sighhhhh shoula checked just had a bet with 365' although stake is modest seeing as everyone likes the other side


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: the sicilian on October 07, 2012, 12:26:13 PM
Sighhhhh shoula checked just had a bet with 365' although stake is modest seeing as everyone likes the other side

U bet -8 texans ?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: LeKnave on October 07, 2012, 12:32:42 PM
Sighhhhh shoula checked just had a bet with 365' although stake is modest seeing as everyone likes the other side

U bet -8 texans ?

hes talking about gb-7, he took 10/11 but redarmi offered him evs.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: LeKnave on October 07, 2012, 12:33:25 PM
Bears -4
Titans m/l @ 21/10


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: the sicilian on October 07, 2012, 12:42:08 PM
Sighhhhh shoula checked just had a bet with 365' although stake is modest seeing as everyone likes the other side

U bet -8 texans ?

hes talking about gb-7, he took 10/11 but redarmi offered him evs.

ah caught between convo's


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on October 07, 2012, 05:06:12 PM
Liking Green Bay -6.5 @ 2.00 with Pinnacle.  Just had a dabble.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: AceHighSuited on October 07, 2012, 05:59:00 PM
Any thoughts on the points total in Eagles v Steelers? 

I really like the under 43.5, now as a total newbie to this I might be reading it wrong but I can see this match being all about the defence.

My regular sportsbook has both priced @ 10/11 and bettunfair has the unders @ 5/6.   


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on October 07, 2012, 06:32:42 PM
FFS Vick!  Got away with one fumble so goes and throws up another on the same drive.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on October 07, 2012, 06:49:47 PM
FFS Vick!  Got away with one fumble so goes and throws up another on the same drive.

OMG, he's in full-on liability mode so far!  Carbon copy fumble on the next drive.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: KarmaDope on October 07, 2012, 07:53:22 PM
FFS Vick!  Got away with one fumble so goes and throws up another on the same drive.

OMG, he's in full-on liability mode so far!  Carbon copy fumble on the next drive.

Pity Big Ben isnt throwing much better.

Probably because he's starting in our fantasy team this week!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 07, 2012, 08:46:17 PM
GB never make it easy!!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TL900 on October 08, 2012, 06:45:50 PM
MNF - what we sayin? Line looks like 8.5-9 and 40 pts


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on October 08, 2012, 09:25:48 PM
like the unders on points, and texans -9  cushing should prob have sanchez/tebow on their bums for the most of it, reckon 28-10 ish


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: the sicilian on October 08, 2012, 09:39:27 PM
like the unders on points, and texans -9  cushing should prob have sanchez/tebow on their bums for the most of it, reckon 28-10 ish

Mentioned and took -8 yesterday..obv me and the rest of the mug punters have pushed it out a further point..no? Fwiw most here didn't like -8.. But NFL can be very tough to call...Miami cost me a 6 fold yesterday v the high flying bengals


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on October 08, 2012, 09:56:42 PM
can anyone get me a bet on skybet if possible?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: ChipRich on October 08, 2012, 10:05:10 PM
can anyone EVER get a bet on Skybet?

fyp


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TL900 on October 08, 2012, 10:21:47 PM
can anyone get me a bet on skybet if possible?

how much?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Royal Flush on October 08, 2012, 11:15:33 PM
like the unders on points, and texans -9  cushing should prob have sanchez/tebow on their bums for the most of it, reckon 28-10 ish

Mentioned and took -8 yesterday..obv me and the rest of the mug punters have pushed it out a further point..no? Fwiw most here didn't like -8.. But NFL can be very tough to call...Miami cost me a 6 fold yesterday v the high flying bengals

Dolphins massively improving was a brave bet....


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: the sicilian on October 08, 2012, 11:48:44 PM
like the unders on points, and texans -9  cushing should prob have sanchez/tebow on their bums for the most of it, reckon 28-10 ish

Mentioned and took -8 yesterday..obv me and the rest of the mug punters have pushed it out a further point..no? Fwiw most here didn't like -8.. But NFL can be very tough to call...Miami cost me a 6 fold yesterday v the high flying bengals

Dolphins massively improving was a brave bet....

U r right mr flush especially the front 7 thought he bengals at home and playing well would have enough and the Miami secondary wouldn't handle AJ green..was almost right..sigh


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on October 10, 2012, 10:51:34 PM
Amazing post-game interview from KC OT Eric Winston reacting to the KC fans cheering when Matt Cassell got knocked out.

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2012/10/08/eric-winston-disgusted-with-chiefs-fans/

There's a shorter video clip on YouTube, but it's worth listening to the whole thing, as there's a bit at the start where he says he'll never do another interview if this didn't get reported.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7tG8HJsi0Y


Considering how soon after the game this was, I think this is incredibly measured and restrained when his emotions are running so high.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on October 10, 2012, 11:04:27 PM
And for the more downmarket crowd, there's another fake QB Facebook conversation (beware, contains rude words!)

http://fauxjohnmadden.lockerdome.com/articles/101352470


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on October 11, 2012, 10:34:08 AM
First of the Jags London NFL games announced next year: 49ers

49ers is a great pick. Hope the game isn't too one sided!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on October 11, 2012, 11:11:58 AM
I'm surprised the NFL isn't sending teams like the Panthers or the Lions over; someone with a big passing game.

NFL fans will follow either way, but a big Passing O will be much more marketable to the neutrals and future fans of NFL than a solid, albeit very well organised, running game. QB running 1,000 yards a season helps, too!

The drama of the Hail Mary, the huge interceptions and the spread fields are much easier on the eye IMO.

Yes, I love them both and the 9-6 D-slugs but Goodell is trying to sell a sport to a sport-loving nation.

Obv it's down to the schedules, but the point I'm making is more about the sort of team available to watch.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on October 11, 2012, 11:18:31 AM
49ers have a big UK fan base (likewise Bears, Dolphins) as they were huge when C4 first started in the UK NFL (Montana, Young, Rice etc)

so with the Jags being a small franchise, without a UK fan base, it makes sense to bring a UK marquee name over.......


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on October 11, 2012, 12:46:36 PM
I'm surprised the NFL isn't sending teams like the Panthers or the Lions over; someone with a big passing game.

NFL fans will follow either way, but a big Passing O will be much more marketable to the neutrals and future fans of NFL than a solid, albeit very well organised, running game. QB running 1,000 yards a season helps, too!

The drama of the Hail Mary, the huge interceptions and the spread fields are much easier on the eye IMO.

Yes, I love them both and the 9-6 D-slugs but Goodell is trying to sell a sport to a sport-loving nation.

Obv it's down to the schedules, but the point I'm making is more about the sort of team available to watch.

They're limited to a degree by the fact that many of the bigger franchises have refused to give up a home game, which is why the home team has been the likes of the Bucs, Rams and Jags.

They then have to find a fixture from that team's schedule, which varies from year to year.

49ers make sense as they'll draw a big following like the Bears did last year.  The neutrals will respond more to this than the style of play of a team.

The biggest drawback is if the fixture looks like it'll be one-sided, like this one but it's hard to avoid that with the current Jags team anyway!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Acidmouse on October 11, 2012, 12:50:35 PM
Thoughts on 49rs Giants game on Sunday? I know a lot of fans really want revenge on them from last year, surly 49ers will beat a semi decent giants?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Simon Galloway on October 11, 2012, 02:11:50 PM
Any interest in seeing Pats v Rams at Wembley on 28th Oct?  Wouldn't mind going, but looks like tickets are sold out awaiting allocation returns for more availability?

Anyone going?

Anyone have a spare ticket?

Anyone interested in going if tickets get released?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on October 11, 2012, 02:14:01 PM
Any interest in seeing Pats v Rams at Wembley on 28th Oct?  Wouldn't mind going, but looks like tickets are sold out awaiting allocation returns for more availability?

Anyone going?

Anyone have a spare ticket?

Anyone interested in going if tickets get released?


I potentially have a spare ticket.  Waiting for confirmation on whether we have a drop out or not.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Simon Galloway on October 11, 2012, 02:46:23 PM
 ;indestructable;

Would be very interested if it becomes available, grateful for consideration - cheers.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on October 11, 2012, 03:32:17 PM
any thoughts on tonight?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Simon Galloway on October 11, 2012, 06:25:57 PM
MIN @ WAS only Bwin have priced it up so far and go MIN +3 5/6 and WAS -3 Evs

I'm still learning my way on NFL, trying to price up games in advance and had this as a pickem game.  Vikings seem to be playing better than anyone expected, thinking of having a decent paddle on the ML. 

(http://static.sportressofblogitude.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/vikings-fan-sign.jpg)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on October 13, 2012, 12:22:51 PM
I hope this works, although I'm starting to question the Defence if they failed during the entire week!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000079856/article/michael-vick-carries-football-all-week-to-fight-fumbles?module=HP11_headline_stack

Michael Vick carries football all week to fight fumbles

    By Dan Hanzus
    Around the League Writer
    Published: Oct. 12, 2012 at 09:02 p.m.
    Updated: Oct. 12, 2012 at 09:51 p.m.

The issue of ball security has haunted Michael Vick this season. He's taking extreme measures in an attempt to fix the problem.

According to NFL.com and NFL Network's Aditi Kinkhabawala, Vick carried a football with him all week at Philadelphia Eagles facilities, tucking it under his arm at breakfast, in meetings, anywhere a teammate could attempt to knock it loose.

Did anyone force a fumble in the cafeteria or elsewhere?

"They tried," he said.

Vick has eight fumbles -- five of them lost -- in five games. Ball security can be as mental as it is physical, and Vick certainly seems to be fighting it right now.

"Not to put too much emphasis on it, but to continuously remind myself that I have to take care of the football," Vick said. "You want to go out there and make it happen."

Carrying a football everywhere might sound like something a junior-varsity quarterback would do in the hallways, but give Vick points for effort.

Follow Dan Hanzus on Twitter @danhanzus.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on October 13, 2012, 12:37:37 PM
I hope this works, although I'm starting to question the Defence if they failed during the entire week!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000079856/article/michael-vick-carries-football-all-week-to-fight-fumbles?module=HP11_headline_stack

Michael Vick carries football all week to fight fumbles

    By Dan Hanzus
    Around the League Writer
    Published: Oct. 12, 2012 at 09:02 p.m.
    Updated: Oct. 12, 2012 at 09:51 p.m.

The issue of ball security has haunted Michael Vick this season. He's taking extreme measures in an attempt to fix the problem.

According to NFL.com and NFL Network's Aditi Kinkhabawala, Vick carried a football with him all week at Philadelphia Eagles facilities, tucking it under his arm at breakfast, in meetings, anywhere a teammate could attempt to knock it loose.

Did anyone force a fumble in the cafeteria or elsewhere?

"They tried," he said.

Vick has eight fumbles -- five of them lost -- in five games. Ball security can be as mental as it is physical, and Vick certainly seems to be fighting it right now.

"Not to put too much emphasis on it, but to continuously remind myself that I have to take care of the football," Vick said. "You want to go out there and make it happen."

Carrying a football everywhere might sound like something a junior-varsity quarterback would do in the hallways, but give Vick points for effort.

Follow Dan Hanzus on Twitter @danhanzus.


Tom Coughlin used to make his RB´s do this, i remember it not going down too well.

Do you think the Eagles will cover the spread tomorrow?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on October 13, 2012, 12:41:51 PM
-3.5 is an ugly number anyway and it's one I'll be leaving alone.

I think they've covered once all season, and that was in the loss to the Steelers.

Too much uncertainty with regard to both teams.  Eagles need to stop turning the ball over, Lions need to start firing on offense and defence and are performing much below their talent level.  Hard to tell when either will change.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on October 14, 2012, 09:59:24 PM
 ;frustrated; ;frustrated; ;frustrated; ;frustrated; ;frustrated; ;frustrated; ;frustrated; ;frustrated; ;frustrated; ;frustrated; ;frustrated; ;frustrated; ;frustrated; ;frustrated;

Nothing further!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on October 14, 2012, 10:01:35 PM
Join the flipping club.

Two frustrating teams


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on October 14, 2012, 10:06:24 PM
Join the flipping club.

Two frustrated blondes!

FYP


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on October 15, 2012, 12:18:18 AM
Jay Touchy Feely makes from 61 yards to tie the game, then misses from 38 yards to win it.

Pretty amazing stuff.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on October 15, 2012, 02:17:21 AM
the clown got way too excited now were a million to make post season


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Royal Flush on October 15, 2012, 02:40:24 PM
Loving the bean i punted on GB midweek at 19's :)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on October 15, 2012, 03:11:48 PM
I love the randomness of this season. Cards look like a decent side and then lose to the Rams and the Bills in successive weeks.

What do people who aren't Bills fans and actually know what they're on about (not that the two are mutually exclusive of course!) think of Fitzpatrick? Bills have a better OL than I've seen in the past few years and, although it's far from great, there are some options for him in pass and rush. He seems to throw INTs most weeks and often more than one against better sides.

Should we be looking to change the QB or building better protection around him?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: LeKnave on October 15, 2012, 06:53:02 PM
Loving the bean i punted on GB midweek at 19's :)

take ur aftertiming elsewhere met


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on October 15, 2012, 06:55:56 PM
Loving the bean i punted on GB midweek at 19's :)

take ur aftertiming elsewhere met

+1


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on October 15, 2012, 07:17:18 PM
I love the randomness of this season. Cards look like a decent side and then lose to the Rams and the Bills in successive weeks.

What do people who aren't Bills fans and actually know what they're on about (not that the two are mutually exclusive of course!) think of Fitzpatrick? Bills have a better OL than I've seen in the past few years and, although it's far from great, there are some options for him in pass and rush. He seems to throw INTs most weeks and often more than one against better sides.

Should we be looking to change the QB or building better protection around him?

I think when he's got time to throw, he's a top 10 qb.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 16, 2012, 05:00:39 AM
Wonder if Rivers will get home in one piece tonight #wpsir


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on October 16, 2012, 05:25:54 AM
One thing that struck me watching the AFC teams play this weekend is there doesn't seem to be a good team amongst them, Houston are 5-1 but in a soft Div and just got hammered by the only NFC team they have played. Baltimore have won 4 games against other AFC teams and no other team has a winning record in the AFC.

It probably knocks the NFC's best record, Atlanta's 6-0 record too as 4 of those wins have come against the AFC West and they haven't beaten a team with a winning record. Denver have had a v tough schedule so far so they might be under rated, compare the teams played in their 3-3 record with San D 3-3 and it tells it's own story. Pats D looks a mess at times too.

h2h in AFC v NFC matches so far this season reads 9-19 and only four NFC teams have a losing record at the moment and three of those, Dallas, Detroit and  New Orleans are almost certainly better teams than the majority of the AFC.

Will be interesting to see if that trend continues for punting purposes.



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on October 19, 2012, 03:52:43 AM
If there is an INT in the end zone and the defender comes out of the end zone with the ball, then trying to avoid a tackle runs back into the end zone where he is tackled... is this a safety?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on October 19, 2012, 03:58:13 AM
Yes. If he intercepts in the end zone and stays there, its his teams ball on the 20.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on October 19, 2012, 04:30:02 AM
Ouch ouch ouch sf spread is -7 and harbaugh declines the safety to go nine ahead. Yuk.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on October 19, 2012, 04:34:16 AM
Yeh i had £500 on at -7 niners at evs, someone explain that to me plz, he got the 1st down anyway lol awful spot, whats harbough doing?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on October 19, 2012, 04:41:55 AM
Yeh i had £500 on at -7 niners at evs, someone explain that to me plz, he got the 1st down anyway lol awful spot, whats harbough doing?

If they take the safety, Seattle have to kick and could try an onside kick and get the ball back.

Still have to recover kick (twice!) and score twice in 40 seconds with no timeouts which is roughly 10,000/1.

If they decline the penalty D~SF get the ball back and can take the knee.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on October 19, 2012, 04:46:31 AM
yeh but surely harborough is aware of the line and that loads of their fans are on it, also the spot looked off to me


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: ChipRich on October 19, 2012, 04:49:11 AM
LOL, yeah im sure thats the 1st thing that popped into Sir Jim's head.

Anyway, the spot got challenged and was upheld so clearly was right.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on October 19, 2012, 05:02:49 AM
defensive leagues etc


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on October 19, 2012, 07:42:17 AM
yeh but surely harborough is aware of the line and that loads of their fans are on it, also the spot looked off to me

Did you lose the bet?

In the US, or online with Pinny, this would be a push.  I think the UK bookies treat it as a lost bet.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on October 19, 2012, 01:21:10 PM
no, i chopped. after calming down i obv understand Jims play just so tilting


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: JK on October 22, 2012, 01:08:37 PM
Started getting into NFL. Such an amazing game. Only took me a couple of games to understand from 0 knowledge which Im pretty proud of haha.

Will definately be watching alot more!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on October 23, 2012, 01:43:14 AM
Started getting into NFL. Such an amazing game. Only took me a couple of games to understand from 0 knowledge which Im pretty proud of haha.

Will definately be watching alot more!

Nice. One of the great things about the game is that there is a lot to the game strategy wise etc so there is plenty to learn. I have been watching the game avidly since I was 6 and certainly have not got it all down.

Mug bet the bears this evening as something to sweat.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Horneris on October 23, 2012, 04:21:57 AM
this game is dire


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: vegaslover on October 23, 2012, 10:18:09 AM
I fell asleep end of the first quarter, just as well methinks


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on October 23, 2012, 01:43:21 PM
no, i chopped. after calming down i obv understand Jims play just so tilting

http://www.sportsusamedia.com/_blog/Ross_Tucker/post/My_Gambling_Experience/


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Royal Flush on October 24, 2012, 12:56:11 PM
this game is dire

Can't understand why the NFL decides to let Chicago near a national game.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on October 24, 2012, 07:34:43 PM
this game is dire

Can't understand why the NFL decides to let Chicago near a national game.

Big market team who is contender this year against in division rival, drew 5 times the audience game 7 national league championship baseball did.





Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: 77dave on October 24, 2012, 08:51:35 PM
You leave my mighty bears alone


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on October 26, 2012, 02:14:50 AM

Certainly haven't seen a team play worse than this so far this year, really embarassing for the Vikings.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Horneris on October 26, 2012, 04:59:14 AM
That was a great game! Doug Martin is some talent


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: action man on October 26, 2012, 05:13:54 AM
i have to be the worst nfl judge in the world, got lucky on some acca early in the season and just done it in from there. happy to bet things like dominos pizza or fiji water if anyone likes one side on a non sunday game, but for now im out!!!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on October 28, 2012, 06:30:15 PM
No Red Zone on Sky tonight?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: AndrewT on October 28, 2012, 06:58:06 PM
Seems the Rams defence missed their flight.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on October 29, 2012, 09:17:48 AM
How come the Panthers are so bad this year? They get a record breaking QB in place and seem like they are capable of scoring points against anyone. Then now they are 1-6, making reasonable yards but Steve Smith is without a TD.

Is Newton to blame?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on October 29, 2012, 09:41:26 AM
How come the Panthers are so bad this year? They get a record breaking QB in place and seem like they are capable of scoring points against anyone. Then now they are 1-6, making reasonable yards but Steve Smith is without a TD.

Is Newton to blame?

Partly, he's lost a lot of confidence and seems more mentally fragile than a top QB needs to be. Also after a season all the opposition have a lot of tape on him, and can plan against him better

that said, he needs better protection, better coaching and more weapons. Oh, and the defense is well below league average 


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on October 29, 2012, 01:11:06 PM
How come the Panthers are so bad this year? They get a record breaking QB in place and seem like they are capable of scoring points against anyone. Then now they are 1-6, making reasonable yards but Steve Smith is without a TD.

Is Newton to blame?

Partly, he's lost a lot of confidence and seems more mentally fragile than a top QB needs to be. Also after a season all the opposition have a lot of tape on him, and can plan against him better

that said, he needs better protection, better coaching and more weapons. Oh, and the defense is well below league average 

There's been question marks raised about his attitude too, some publicly from his own teammates.  IIRC, there were some doubts along these lines when he was drafted but his rookie season laid these to rest, or so everyone thought.

Panthers have been a massive disappointment this season, and their GM has now paid the price for this.  Hopefully, Newton can get his head sorted and return to his best form for them, as he makes for great viewing when he's firing on all cylinders.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on October 29, 2012, 07:47:21 PM
Just thought I would mention that the Miami dolphins have won more games than they have lost so far this nfl season.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Royal Flush on October 29, 2012, 08:55:10 PM
Just thought I would mention that the Miami dolphins have won more games than they have lost so far this nfl season.

Thing is we have been unlucky as well, 0/2 in OT which are obviously pretty much flips. Pretty impressive as well that Matt More can come in and crush the Jets in NY.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on October 29, 2012, 09:32:32 PM
Just thought I would mention that the Miami dolphins have won more games than they have lost so far this nfl season.

Thing is we have been unlucky as well, 0/2 in OT which are obviously pretty much flips. Pretty impressive as well that Matt More can come in and crush the Jets in NY.

I just enjoy seeing the Jets getting beaten.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on October 29, 2012, 09:45:23 PM
Just thought I would mention that the Miami dolphins have won more games than they have lost so far this nfl season.

Thing is we have been unlucky as well, 0/2 in OT which are obviously pretty much flips. Pretty impressive as well that Matt More can come in and crush the Jets in NY.

Yeah we could be 6-1 which is ridiculous. We are also have a chance in each of our next 4 games, whatever happens I am hoping this is not another false dawn and tannehill/philbin are as good as I am starting to think they might be.

The jets are a sinking ship, Sanchez is a joke he might be worse now than he was a rookie.



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Royal Flush on October 30, 2012, 06:13:39 AM
Pretty sure Philbin is the real deal, Tannehill will take longer to be sure i feel but i'm loving what i see thus far


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on November 04, 2012, 08:16:22 PM
Brief chat on sky on who is the best QB right now.

Matt Ryan, Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers were the three that made the pundits' shortlist.

Peyton is incredible atm. I didn't see him dragging the Broncos through games but he's doing it.

Any advances?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on November 04, 2012, 08:33:56 PM
Meanwhile, Newton finding some form tonight. 82 yard play from his own line and goes on to score his 4th rushing TD of the season.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: 77dave on November 04, 2012, 09:53:59 PM
this game is dire

Can't understand why the NFL decides to let Chicago near a national game.
.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on November 04, 2012, 09:58:18 PM
Luck breaks the rookie QB passing record set last year by Cam Newton.

Is it just chance or is College Football now more pass-focused than it used to be, so 1st rounders are already good enough to pick spots in the NFL?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on November 04, 2012, 10:03:10 PM
Brief chat on sky on who is the best QB right now.

Matt Ryan, Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers were the three that made the pundits' shortlist.

Peyton is incredible atm. I didn't see him dragging the Broncos through games but he's doing it.

Any advances?

Brady, even though he's not been at the top of his game during all of this season.

And he's not in the top 3 yet, but I love what RG3 brings to the game.  Totally unique skill set and such fun to watch.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on November 04, 2012, 10:27:45 PM
Luck breaks the rookie QB passing record set last year by Cam Newton.

Is it just chance or is College Football now more pass-focused than it used to be, so 1st rounders are already good enough to pick spots in the NFL?

More to do with the nfl just becoming more and more pass orientated. Tannehill nearly broke the same record earlier this season.

Luck is a pretty special talent though and played in a very "pro style" offence at Stanford.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on November 04, 2012, 11:51:17 PM
Blair Walsh might be better than Legatron!

He just made one from 55 which was still going upwards when it hit the net.

Would have been good from 70.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: MajorMajor on November 08, 2012, 06:21:16 PM
What do we think of Colts -3 tonight? Luck is starting to look good and the Jags are terribad!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on November 08, 2012, 07:19:11 PM
What do we think of Colts -3 tonight? Luck is starting to look good and the Jags are terribad!

Well, I want everyone to beat the Jags, so make it so! Tighty might disagree ;)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on November 09, 2012, 03:06:14 AM
Mike Mayock is the worst commentator on any sport anywhere.

He makes Alan Shearer look insightful.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on November 18, 2012, 05:02:46 PM

Any strong views on if the market has reacted appropriately to the Roethlisberger injury? I really want to be with Pittsburgh +3.5 here but the back up is just so bad I´m having doubts.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 18, 2012, 05:09:32 PM
Pitt is the right side.  Every sharp I respect seems to be on them.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: MajorMajor on November 18, 2012, 11:42:22 PM
I'm on the ravens -3.... Fair to say Im not sharp but surely big Ben is a big miss?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on November 19, 2012, 12:30:27 AM
I'm on the ravens -3.... Fair to say Im not sharp but surely big Ben is a big miss?

It was Pitt -3.5 until Rapelesberger went down.

6 1/2 points is the amount Pitt will miss him according to the market.

Looks like plenty to me.



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 19, 2012, 12:55:57 AM
I agree.  I like Pitt here.  Baltimore are overrated as is Roethlisberger.  Leftwich is an okay backup and there has to be some upgrade for the fact Meandenhall is back.  I have bet them straight up and +3.5 and it is quite a big bet for me.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 19, 2012, 02:13:19 AM
Horrible, horrible kit!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: MajorMajor on November 22, 2012, 02:06:44 PM
I am on Houston -3 redskins +3 and pats -7
Just a little thanksgiving interest though I do like the Houston line a lot.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 22, 2012, 02:19:38 PM
Fwiw I am on Detroit +4, Dallas -3 and Jets +7.5 evs


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on November 22, 2012, 02:20:12 PM
I am on Houston -3 redskins +3 and pats -7
Just a little thanksgiving interest though I do like the Houston line a lot.

Of the 3 lines quoted, the only one I really like is the Redskins.  Not sure what to expect from Lions - Texans tonight, so I'm steering well clear.

GL though, obv.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: MajorMajor on November 22, 2012, 02:37:21 PM
Fwiw I am on Detroit +4, Dallas -3 and Jets +7.5 evs

I have a feeling one of us will call it right in each game!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 22, 2012, 08:00:09 PM
Wow there are some crazy, stupid rules in this sport!!!!!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on November 22, 2012, 08:01:58 PM
At least the back up zebra´s can breathe a sigh of relief, they definitely don´t have the worst call on the year now. What did they think happened? Confusing one.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 22, 2012, 08:03:10 PM
I have no idea what that call was.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on November 22, 2012, 08:05:29 PM
Explained it pretty well in the end.  Schwartz throwing the flag made the automatically reviewable play (if he'd not thrown it) a non-reviewable play as its deemed to be time wasting.

Totally stupid rule though!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on November 22, 2012, 08:07:42 PM
Explained it pretty well in the end.  Schwartz throwing the flag made the automatically reviewable play (if he'd not thrown it) a non-reviewable play as its deemed to be time wasting.

Totally stupid rule though!

Dumb rule but fine, it´s the rule so that´s ok but what about the fact that he got flattened and was horizintal on the floor with nearly all his weight on his elbow and was allowed to get up?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on November 22, 2012, 08:11:06 PM
Neil Reynolds knows the rulebook better than Nantz and Simms.

Whodda thunk it?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on November 22, 2012, 08:12:39 PM
Explained it pretty well in the end.  Schwartz throwing the flag made the automatically reviewable play (if he'd not thrown it) a non-reviewable play as its deemed to be time wasting.

Totally stupid rule though!

Dumb rule but fine, it´s the rule so that´s ok but what about the fact that he got flattened and was horizintal on the floor with nearly all his weight on his elbow and was allowed to get up?

That's a refereeing error that the review would have overturned, but now they're not allowed to look.  It's the NFL equivalent of inadmissable evidence!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on November 22, 2012, 08:13:49 PM
Neil Reynolds knows the rulebook better than Nantz and Simms.

Whodda thunk it?

Only because he saw the same rule applied last week against the Falcons.  I doubt he'd have known it before then.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on November 22, 2012, 08:17:43 PM
Explained it pretty well in the end.  Schwartz throwing the flag made the automatically reviewable play (if he'd not thrown it) a non-reviewable play as its deemed to be time wasting.

Totally stupid rule though!

Dumb rule but fine, it´s the rule so that´s ok but what about the fact that he got flattened and was horizintal on the floor with nearly all his weight on his elbow and was allowed to get up?

That's a refereeing error that the review would have overturned, but now they're not allowed to look.  It's the NFL equivalent of inadmissable evidence!

My point is I can´t believe how terrible the initial call was, I understand what happened subsequently. No more ranting from me though :-), back to enjoying the game.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on November 22, 2012, 08:45:40 PM
0 calls for pass interference, defensive holding or illagal contact so far.

Can't remember that before.

Can't hold surely.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Simon Galloway on November 22, 2012, 09:11:21 PM
I have DET +3 and TEX +3.  Wonder how this one is going to end up tits up..


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on November 22, 2012, 09:53:45 PM

Bet gets home but Detroit incredibly unlucky. The punt that clipped the returners thigh and was recovered, no pass interference that would have given a straightforward field goal in O/T and the truly ridiculous not ruled down by contact.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on November 22, 2012, 10:17:03 PM
A punt caught in the end zone.

Another thing I've never seen before.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: MajorMajor on November 22, 2012, 10:34:09 PM
I am on Houston -3 redskins +3 and pats -7
Just a little thanksgiving interest though I do like the Houston line a lot.

I'll take the push. Not quite sure how but I'm v.happy! Go redskins!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on November 22, 2012, 11:20:05 PM
Neil Reynolds knows the rulebook better than Nantz and Simms.

Whodda thunk it?

Is the answer everyone?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on November 22, 2012, 11:26:22 PM
Do we think this was deliberate?

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1782417/schaubnut.gif)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on November 23, 2012, 01:16:29 AM
FML

Bought the total points in this.

Why the hell didn't Hall score the touchdown?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on November 23, 2012, 01:18:16 AM
And why didn't Dallas use their time out?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on November 23, 2012, 01:02:54 PM
The fumble to end all fumbles, Mark Sanchez gets levelled by his own lineman

(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/1865f6xuc7wtugif/original.gif)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on November 23, 2012, 01:10:58 PM
I feel sympathy for Sanchez.

While he's no Brady, Manning or Rodgers (obv), I think he's an above average NFL QB.

But the lack of talent in the receiving corps at the Jets is frightening.

I'd take the Jaguars or Chiefs WR group over them.

They are that bad.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Horneris on November 26, 2012, 06:10:03 PM
http://www.oddschecker.com/american-football/nfl/cincinnati-bengals-at-san-diego-chargers/point-spread

Really?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: maldini32 on November 30, 2012, 01:11:49 AM
New Orleans game coming up. I dont know a lot about NFL but I fancy a sweat, so Ive come to you guys for some advice.

Buy the points?

Or back one of the teams?

Cheers lads


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 30, 2012, 01:23:08 AM
I have had a small bet on unders.  Dont mind New Orleans +3.5 either.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: maldini32 on November 30, 2012, 01:36:05 AM
I have had a small bet on unders.  Dont mind New Orleans +3.5 either.

Thanks.

Just sold points, small stakes.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: 77dave on November 30, 2012, 05:16:48 AM
what price would Brees have been for 0 tds and 5 ints?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on December 01, 2012, 04:23:36 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/01/shooting-at-the-chiefs-facility/

Rumoured to be Jovan Belcher and that he killed his girlfriend earlier in the day. Then shot himself in front of coaches/players.

Very sad and messed up.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on December 01, 2012, 06:13:13 PM
The NFL are still advising Carolina to plan for the game to be played @KC tomorrow, but if he shot himself in front of players and coaches I can't imagine that they're going to be in any fit state to want to play tomorrow.

Shocking, and tragic, developments.  The reports say he had a 3-month old child who's now become an orphan in the most horrendous way imaginable.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on December 01, 2012, 06:16:38 PM
Horrendous stuff.  If they play the game now the NFL will be showing in the worst possible way they are only interested in money.  I would have cancelled all the games.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on December 01, 2012, 06:27:08 PM
Horrendous stuff.  If they play the game now the NFL will be showing in the worst possible way they are only interested in money.  I would have cancelled all the games.

Completely agree with this.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on December 01, 2012, 06:57:46 PM
Oh and if they do make them play the game then Carolina at anything up to -7 will be the best bet you are likely to see in an NFL game for a long time.  Bit sick to be mentioning it but it is true.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: AndrewT on December 01, 2012, 08:33:24 PM
Oh and if they do make them play the game then Carolina at anything up to -7 will be the best bet you are likely to see in an NFL game for a long time.  Bit sick to be mentioning it but it is true.

Disagree - things like this can negatively the opponents more (who will feel that by going for it 100% they feel a bit like they're shooting Bambi's mother)  and can inspire the team affected to heroic deeds.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on December 01, 2012, 09:05:19 PM
Oh and if they do make them play the game then Carolina at anything up to -7 will be the best bet you are likely to see in an NFL game for a long time.  Bit sick to be mentioning it but it is true.

Disagree - things like this can negatively the opponents more (who will feel that by going for it 100% they feel a bit like they're shooting Bambi's mother)  and can inspire the team affected to heroic deeds.

I would agree if he had just died but this guy shot his girlfriend first.  They are not going to be "honouring" his memory or trying to win for him.  Plus he did it in front of the coach and GM.  How can they possibly be mentally prewpared for the game in the sport which requires more coaching prep than any other?  Do we really think Romeo Crennel is poring over his playbook right now 7 hours after one of his players blew his brains out in front of him?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on December 01, 2012, 11:11:18 PM
The Chiefs have confirmed that they're going to play the fixture at it's scheduled time, which I'm amazed by, but it appears to be their ultimate choice that's driving this.

I think it could have as much of an adverse impact on the Carolina players, as it can the Chiefs.  Given that there's nothing really at stake in the game, from a play-off perspective, this could end up looking like a pre-season game between two teams who'd rather be somewhere else.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: AndrewT on December 02, 2012, 12:59:05 AM
The Chiefs have confirmed that they're going to play the fixture at it's scheduled time, which I'm amazed by, but it appears to be their ultimate choice that's driving this.

I think it could have as much of an adverse impact on the Carolina players, as it can the Chiefs.  Given that there's nothing really at stake in the game, from a play-off perspective, this could end up looking like a pre-season game between two teams who'd rather be somewhere else.

Bet on overs, on the basis that defences aren't going to be playing too rough?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on December 02, 2012, 01:14:50 AM
The Chiefs have confirmed that they're going to play the fixture at it's scheduled time, which I'm amazed by, but it appears to be their ultimate choice that's driving this.

I think it could have as much of an adverse impact on the Carolina players, as it can the Chiefs.  Given that there's nothing really at stake in the game, from a play-off perspective, this could end up looking like a pre-season game between two teams who'd rather be somewhere else.

Bet on overs, on the basis that defences aren't going to be playing too rough?

I dunno, just alot of handing off to running backs and no big plays would have been my guess.

Under if I was forced.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on December 02, 2012, 01:24:45 AM
The more i think about this, the more sick it is they are playing this game.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Horneris on December 02, 2012, 01:40:06 AM
Had a big bet on San Diego +2 tomorrow. Cincy aren't really for me, despite their recent wins. Think they are being overrated in some quarters and I'd go as far as saying I'd still make San Diego favourites in this match. As bad as the Chargers have been recently, they are still The Chargers and they should have beaten Baltimore last week (let them get there on 4th & 29 with the game on the line)

Whilst they have proved solid in their own backyard Cincy have only played one away game since a 10 point week 6 loss to the Browns, which was an easy victory but they were playing the hapless 1 & 10 Chiefs, its a long trip to San Diego, got no qualms in taking them on.


Warning: I hate Cincy and Andy Dalton and his boring name


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: LeKnave on December 02, 2012, 01:44:59 AM
Had a big bet on San Diego +2 tomorrow. Cincy aren't really for me, despite their recent wins. Think they are being overrated in some quarters and I'd go as far as saying I'd still make San Diego favourites in this match. As bad as the Chargers have been recently, they are still The Chargers and they should have beaten Baltimore last week (let them get there on 4th & 29 with the game on the line)

Whilst they have proved solid in their own backyard Cincy have only played one away game since a 10 point week 6 loss to the Browns, which was an easy victory but they were playing the hapless 1 & 10 Chiefs, its a long trip to San Diego, got no qualms in taking them on.


Warning: I hate Cincy and Andy Dalton and his boring name


this ^

Made the move @ 6/5.

Warning: I absolutely adore San Diego and their fantastic city


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on December 02, 2012, 03:01:24 PM
Had a big bet on San Diego +2 tomorrow. Cincy aren't really for me, despite their recent wins. Think they are being overrated in some quarters and I'd go as far as saying I'd still make San Diego favourites in this match. As bad as the Chargers have been recently, they are still The Chargers and they should have beaten Baltimore last week (let them get there on 4th & 29 with the game on the line)

Whilst they have proved solid in their own backyard Cincy have only played one away game since a 10 point week 6 loss to the Browns, which was an easy victory but they were playing the hapless 1 & 10 Chiefs, its a long trip to San Diego, got no qualms in taking them on.


Warning: I hate Cincy and Andy Dalton and his boring name


gl guys, Does anyone have a view on the Jets v Zona game?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: LeKnave on December 02, 2012, 03:16:12 PM
Had a big bet on San Diego +2 tomorrow. Cincy aren't really for me, despite their recent wins. Think they are being overrated in some quarters and I'd go as far as saying I'd still make San Diego favourites in this match. As bad as the Chargers have been recently, they are still The Chargers and they should have beaten Baltimore last week (let them get there on 4th & 29 with the game on the line)

Whilst they have proved solid in their own backyard Cincy have only played one away game since a 10 point week 6 loss to the Browns, which was an easy victory but they were playing the hapless 1 & 10 Chiefs, its a long trip to San Diego, got no qualms in taking them on.


Warning: I hate Cincy and Andy Dalton and his boring name


gl guys, Does anyone have a view on the Jets v Zona game?

wouldn't blame either side for just taking knees from the off.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on December 02, 2012, 03:26:09 PM
Had a big bet on San Diego +2 tomorrow. Cincy aren't really for me, despite their recent wins. Think they are being overrated in some quarters and I'd go as far as saying I'd still make San Diego favourites in this match. As bad as the Chargers have been recently, they are still The Chargers and they should have beaten Baltimore last week (let them get there on 4th & 29 with the game on the line)

Whilst they have proved solid in their own backyard Cincy have only played one away game since a 10 point week 6 loss to the Browns, which was an easy victory but they were playing the hapless 1 & 10 Chiefs, its a long trip to San Diego, got no qualms in taking them on.


Warning: I hate Cincy and Andy Dalton and his boring name


gl guys, Does anyone have a view on the Jets v Zona game?

wouldn't blame either side for just taking knees from the off.

lol too good.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Simon Galloway on December 02, 2012, 03:37:32 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4xGGgz5TcI

Midweek I was all up for taking AZI +5 and got talked out of it, now available at +6  If it ever went to +7 tho then I'm going to remind myself that the advice cam from a Vikings fan and wade in.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on December 02, 2012, 03:44:13 PM
Cheers Simon,

That was the side I liked but it feels a bit like betting on which car will come out best in a car crash.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on December 02, 2012, 03:53:55 PM
I haven't got time to check the punting side, but Oakland have scratched mcfadden today as the field is a bog, heavy rain currently

@ChrisHansenNFL Raiders protecting McFadden from slop fest. Water pooling everywhere. O.co's field probably swamp

playing the browns, if its not on spreads and totals: low points etc etc


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on December 02, 2012, 03:57:43 PM
Cheers Simon,

That was the side I liked but it feels a bit like betting on which car will come out best in a car crash.

A very shrewd punter I know has had his biggest bet of the season on the Jets -5.

Bugger knows why.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on December 02, 2012, 04:10:38 PM
Cheers Simon,

That was the side I liked but it feels a bit like betting on which car will come out best in a car crash.

A very shrewd punter I know has had his biggest bet of the season on the Jets -5.

Bugger knows why.

Interesting.  I also know of a very shrewd punter with the same view.  Does his name rhyme with ice rink?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on December 02, 2012, 04:11:06 PM
Cheers Simon,

That was the side I liked but it feels a bit like betting on which car will come out best in a car crash.

A very shrewd punter I know has had his biggest bet of the season on the Jets -5.

Bugger knows why.

Cheers Keith, I can't quite convince myself to have a bet so will leave it alone.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Simon Galloway on December 02, 2012, 04:39:04 PM
Maybe the Jets will be stung into action from the heat they got from fans.  Or maybe the shrewdie saw I like AZI and reasonably decided to Max Jets.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on December 02, 2012, 04:41:38 PM
Had a big bet on San Diego +2 tomorrow. Cincy aren't really for me, despite their recent wins. Think they are being overrated in some quarters and I'd go as far as saying I'd still make San Diego favourites in this match. As bad as the Chargers have been recently, they are still The Chargers and they should have beaten Baltimore last week (let them get there on 4th & 29 with the game on the line)

Whilst they have proved solid in their own backyard Cincy have only played one away game since a 10 point week 6 loss to the Browns, which was an easy victory but they were playing the hapless 1 & 10 Chiefs, its a long trip to San Diego, got no qualms in taking them on.


Warning: I hate Cincy and Andy Dalton and his boring name


gl guys, Does anyone have a view on the Jets v Zona game?

wouldn't blame either side for just taking knees from the off.

lol too good.

Agreed, but in this scenario, Sanchez would find a way to concede a safety and the Jets would lose 2-0!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on December 02, 2012, 04:45:11 PM
Cheers Simon,

That was the side I liked but it feels a bit like betting on which car will come out best in a car crash.

A very shrewd punter I know has had his biggest bet of the season on the Jets -5.

Bugger knows why.

Interesting.  I also know of a very shrewd punter with the same view.  Does his name rhyme with ice rink?

No.

But if it's who I think you are saying, makes me want to get on!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on December 02, 2012, 09:43:52 PM
Wow, Legatron's 53yd overtime winning FG pretty much crossed the goals at about the height of the goalposts.

It's a matter of time before he breaks the NFL longest TD record, surely.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on December 03, 2012, 02:14:30 PM
Thoughts on Cleveland -4.5 v KC next week?

If ever a team was going let down, I would have thought KC in this match up would be the one.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on December 03, 2012, 02:55:59 PM
Thoughts on Cleveland -4.5 v KC next week?

If ever a team was going let down, I would have thought KC in this match up would be the one.

I think I would like the bet even more without the tragic events in Kansas but still a good bet anyway imo. I think Cleveland are a team that we might want to be with for the rest of the year, the market certainly underrates them at the moment.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on December 03, 2012, 06:41:46 PM
I quite like Cleveland as a team anyway and think this is probably a very good spot.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on December 04, 2012, 10:25:34 AM
International Series season tickets (i.e. both games) now on sale at Ticketmaster.  Decent discounted prices too.

Just managed to get mine, and presume some other are doing the same at the momen, but just in case anyone forgot!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on December 04, 2012, 07:16:34 PM
How would we price up the week 16 San Fran @ Seattle game? San Francisco small favourites?

San Fran a shade under 2/1 in a 100% book @ New England?

Many thanks for any help with this.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on December 04, 2012, 08:14:45 PM
How would we price up the week 16 San Fran @ Seattle game? San Francisco small favourites?

San Fran a shade under 2/1 in a 100% book @ New England?

Many thanks for any help with this.

Difficult without knowing the playoff implications at the time.

As it stands now, agree with Seattle, I'd be a little bit shorter at the Pats. nearer 6/4 than 2/1


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on December 04, 2012, 08:35:13 PM
How would we price up the week 16 San Fran @ Seattle game? San Francisco small favourites?

San Fran a shade under 2/1 in a 100% book @ New England?

Many thanks for any help with this.

Difficult without knowing the playoff implications at the time.

As it stands now, agree with Seattle, I'd be a little bit shorter at the Pats. nearer 6/4 than 2/1

Yeah it could literally be anything from Seattle -5.5 to SF -7 depending on who needs what on the day. Seattle are roughly 7/2 shots for the division and I backed that at the beginning of the season @ 6's and think 7/2 seems about right although if Kaepernick was benched I would fancy it but realistically I think we are going to be looking at a wild card spot.  They are pretty well placed right now and  3 wins will almost certainly get them there.  I kinda like the bet.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Acidmouse on December 06, 2012, 03:51:38 PM
Just had a nice phone call from a friend :) he bought me a 49ers ticket for Wembley next year :) his shout for all my help on his recent adoption process. Has it sold out yet?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on December 06, 2012, 04:11:07 PM
Just had a nice phone call from a friend :) he bought me a 49ers ticket for Wembley next year :) his shout for all my help on his recent adoption process. Has it sold out yet?

No, tickets for single games don't go on sale until the new year.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Acidmouse on December 06, 2012, 04:50:45 PM
Just had a nice phone call from a friend :) he bought me a 49ers ticket for Wembley next year :) his shout for all my help on his recent adoption process. Has it sold out yet?

No, tickets for single games don't go on sale until the new year.

ahh makes sense, they bought loads for both games i aint interested in the non 49ers one.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Linux on December 06, 2012, 08:16:52 PM
Just had a nice phone call from a friend :) he bought me a 49ers ticket for Wembley next year :) his shout for all my help on his recent adoption process. Has it sold out yet?

No, tickets for single games don't go on sale until the new year.

ahh makes sense, they bought loads for both games i aint interested in the non 49ers one.

You're not interested in seeing this guy?

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP3AgX-v4Kg


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Acidmouse on December 06, 2012, 09:03:05 PM
Not a huge NFL fan tbh, i watch games but generally only 49ers :)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on December 06, 2012, 10:06:43 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTSJ9xgCJLw

This still cracks me up


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on December 08, 2012, 09:50:13 PM
Not the NFL's finest week, this one!  Cowboys Josh Brent now arrested for DUI Manslaughter for a crash that killed one of their practice squad players earlier today.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on December 09, 2012, 12:26:50 PM
Interesting to see the Heisman Trophy being won by a freshman for the first time (I can't see any reference to him being a true freshman, so I assume he must've red-shirted for a year).

I'm not sure if it's a good thing or not for his long-term NFL prospects.  Surely his stock can only fall from here on out until the time he makes himself draft-eligible?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on December 09, 2012, 02:33:19 PM
Manziel is definetely a redshirt, he was originally committed to Oregon but decided to stay near home in Texas. Which would have been interesting given how good Mariota (another redshirt) has been this year.

There just wasn't many standout candidates this year and Manziel had a record breaking year in the best (especially defensively) conference so was the clear choice on performance.

Here is who we are talking about if you don't follow college.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtxaHwgr6ZQ


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on December 09, 2012, 02:36:16 PM
Interesting to see the Heisman Trophy being won by a freshman for the first time (I can't see any reference to him being a true freshman, so I assume he must've red-shirted for a year).

I'm not sure if it's a good thing or not for his long-term NFL prospects.  Surely his stock can only fall from here on out until the time he makes himself draft-eligible?

Too small to be an NFL QB surely?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on December 09, 2012, 04:42:01 PM
Cincy -3 for me today was the only thing I found on the card but even that is only a small fancy. Does anyone like anything?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on December 09, 2012, 04:47:57 PM
Interesting to see the Heisman Trophy being won by a freshman for the first time (I can't see any reference to him being a true freshman, so I assume he must've red-shirted for a year).

I'm not sure if it's a good thing or not for his long-term NFL prospects.  Surely his stock can only fall from here on out until the time he makes himself draft-eligible?

Too small to be an NFL QB surely?

That was the big concern that everyone had about Russell Wilson this year, but he's defying the doubters so far.  It's a disadvantage, yes, but doesn't make it impossible.

I would also use Michael Vick, who's an inch shorter at 6ft tall, as another counter-example but would need to time-warp both of us back to 2009 first.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on December 09, 2012, 04:48:35 PM
Cincy -3 for me today was the only thing I found on the card but even that is only a small fancy. Does anyone like anything?

Trappy card. Lots of 7 to 10 point dogs I just couldn't bring myself to recommend

Terrell Suggs has just been announced out for the Ravens in the pick em game in Washington at 6pm. This is a huge loss as it is his pass rush threat and speed on the outside that stops RG3 going mobile

I feel the Redskins are a fast improving team and at -1 (would prefer 0, obv) feel they are aminor interest v Baltimore


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on December 09, 2012, 04:52:41 PM
From what I see of Johnny football, and what draft pundits write, there is confidence he could run a RG3 type offense.

Early days, but I think there is also scope for him to go pro at the end of next year (iirc). In this way he could minimise the risk (which has happened with Matt Barkley) of staying in, having a bad year on a worse team, and seeing his rep suffer


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on December 09, 2012, 04:53:52 PM
Cincy -3 for me today was the only thing I found on the card but even that is only a small fancy. Does anyone like anything?

I like Jax +3 quite a bit.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TL900 on December 09, 2012, 04:55:41 PM
colts -4 for me


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on December 09, 2012, 04:56:06 PM
Interesting to see the Heisman Trophy being won by a freshman for the first time (I can't see any reference to him being a true freshman, so I assume he must've red-shirted for a year).

I'm not sure if it's a good thing or not for his long-term NFL prospects.  Surely his stock can only fall from here on out until the time he makes himself draft-eligible?

Too small to be an NFL QB surely?

That was the big concern that everyone had about Russell Wilson this year, but he's defying the doubters so far.  It's a disadvantage, yes, but doesn't make it impossible.

I would also use Michael Vick, who's an inch shorter at 6ft tall, as another counter-example but would need to time-warp both of us back to 2009 first.

Blimey, he's over 6ft?

That clip is the first time I've seen him play, I would have guessed 5 9!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on December 09, 2012, 05:10:12 PM
Cincy -3 for me today was the only thing I found on the card but even that is only a small fancy. Does anyone like anything?

I think 10/11 Detroit getting 7 would be a bet, not sure we´ll get it though. At the moment, nothing I like at the cuurent spreads/prices. I´m on Baltimore +3 (Suggs a huge loss) and Cleveland -4.5 from earlier in the week.

Points wise: Under 40 (Will Hill :-) San Diego @ Pittsburgh looks the best of an about right bunch.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on December 09, 2012, 05:12:20 PM
There may well be more scope for Johnny Football by the time he gets to the NFL with the QB position evolving. There is a lot of resistance in the NFL that being succesful revolves around the QB being a tall protypical pocketpasser and that college football gimmicks don't work because of the athletic ability of NFL defences.

I am actually really looking forward to seeing Chip Kelly in the NFL and what he does offensively. I don't think it will be exactly what we see him run in college but a hybrid of that and more traditional pro style.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on December 09, 2012, 05:13:42 PM
Chip Kelly is meant to be Eagles bound? Maybe that just seems like the right fit (and he might actually use McCoy properly)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on December 09, 2012, 05:15:58 PM
good luck guys.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on December 09, 2012, 05:19:16 PM
Chip Kelly is meant to be Eagles bound? Maybe that just seems like the right fit (and he might actually use McCoy properly)

I think a great fit for him is Carolina, with Cam and 3 decent running backs.

The Eagles aren't go to keep Vick and Foles isn't his type of QB, tho I am sure McCoy would be delighted to have a run first head coach.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on December 09, 2012, 05:20:18 PM
Chip Kelly is meant to be Eagles bound? Maybe that just seems like the right fit (and he might actually use McCoy properly)

Not a huge amount of love for him, based on the forums/podcasts I've listened to, but there doesn't seem to be any consensus candidate at the moment.

The only name that excited me was Sean Payton, when news of his contract situation first broke.  If there was any chance of it happening I'd move heaven and earth to get him if I were Lurie, but other fans have used the argument that big name free-agents didn't exactly work on the playing side over the last two years.

The biggest issue would be getting him ahead of the Cowboys if he left the Saints, and it's a massive long-shot, but I can still hope for now.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Simon Galloway on December 09, 2012, 05:46:58 PM
Had ATL and CHI, altho the market seems to be moving against CHI and I haven't looked into why...

Of the big hcap spots, I quite like AZI +10


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Simon Galloway on December 09, 2012, 09:00:08 PM
Might shoot myself... but would probably miss.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: KarmaDope on December 09, 2012, 09:16:38 PM
What a game we have on Sky Sports.

Gutted to see RG3 go off injured though, looked nasty, hope he hasn't torn his knee ligaments...


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on December 09, 2012, 09:33:16 PM
What a game we have on Sky Sports.

Gutted to see RG3 go off injured though, looked nasty, hope he hasn't torn his knee ligaments...

what a game that was, he played on on one leg for as long as he could!

Redskins going to be huge fun to watch for a few years from here

Genuine contenders once they draft some more weapons for Griffin


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on December 09, 2012, 10:08:55 PM
I wonder if there's ever been a gameweek in the AFC North (with the current lineup) where the Browns have won and Steelers, Ravens and Bengals all lost.

Gut feel says this is the first time!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on December 09, 2012, 10:16:01 PM
What a game we have on Sky Sports.

Gutted to see RG3 go off injured though, looked nasty, hope he hasn't torn his knee ligaments...

what a game that was, he played on on one leg for as long as he could!

Redskins going to be huge fun to watch for a few years from here

Genuine contenders once they draft some more weapons for Griffin

<3 RG3!  So much so that, if I could remove divisional rivalries from the equation, then the Redskins would be my 2nd team at the moment (I absolutely want them to win the NFC East now!)

This is the first time in many years I've been following a truly awful Eagles team and it showed tonight.  5pts behind and they have 2nd and Goal on the Bucs' 1yd line with 0:02 on the clock.  I just get RedZone on in time to see Maclin score the game winning TD and a big part of me is gutted at the adverse impact on our draft position.

8 games lost in a row and now they go out and win when I don't want them to!!!!  #igiveup


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on December 09, 2012, 11:10:14 PM
Wow.

Did you see that throw from Kap to Randy Moss?

Let him off the leash!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on December 09, 2012, 11:59:21 PM
Just for you that one Keith, can you imagine Smith doing that?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on December 10, 2012, 12:01:32 AM
Just for you that one Keith, can you imagine Smith doing that?

It was a thing of beauty.

Although still not as beautiful as that pass to Randy Moss.

65 yards onto a sixpence.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Horneris on December 10, 2012, 12:43:57 AM
Gotta fancy the Alex Green over 57.5 rushing in the bad weather at GreenBay.

Ryan Grant should only get 3 or 4 touches according to my sources.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Royal Flush on December 10, 2012, 09:26:34 AM
Of the big hcap spots, I quite like AZI +10

tbf was only the 2nd biggest winning margin since the leagues merged....


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Simon Galloway on December 10, 2012, 10:17:03 AM
Not sure if it was even in my top 5 of worse results....


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on December 10, 2012, 10:14:35 PM
Canvassing opinions

Behind 49ers/Seattle, Giants, Atlanta, Green Bay..those 5 in any order

If you had to say, which of the Bears and Redskins (or another) would get the last NFC Wild Card berth, and why?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: MajorMajor on December 10, 2012, 11:12:20 PM
I'm having a cheeky flutter on the defence/special teams scoring anytime for both teams. No value spotting. Just to give me a game long interest.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on December 10, 2012, 11:47:56 PM
Canvassing opinions

Behind 49ers/Seattle, Giants, Atlanta, Green Bay..those 5 in any order

If you had to say, which of the Bears and Redskins (or another) would get the last NFC Wild Card berth, and why?

Bears and Skins are horrible teams. Bears on Offense (except Marshall obv) and Skins on D ar complete tez.

Think Dallas are the nest best outside the 5 you named. But their schedule could b better + they might letdown after the tragedy of last week


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: 77dave on December 11, 2012, 12:05:38 AM
Canvassing opinions

Behind 49ers/Seattle, Giants, Atlanta, Green Bay..those 5 in any order

If you had to say, which of the Bears and Redskins (or another) would get the last NFC Wild Card berth, and why?

Bears and Skins are horrible teams. Bears on Offense (except Marshall obv) and Skins on D ar complete tez.

Think Dallas are the nest best outside the 5 you named. But their schedule could b better + they might letdown after the tragedy of last week

bears are banged up and old but last 2 games are Arizona and Detroit.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on December 11, 2012, 12:12:38 AM
Canvassing opinions

Behind 49ers/Seattle, Giants, Atlanta, Green Bay..those 5 in any order

If you had to say, which of the Bears and Redskins (or another) would get the last NFC Wild Card berth, and why?

Bears and Skins are horrible teams. Bears on Offense (except Marshall obv) and Skins on D ar complete tez.

Think Dallas are the nest best outside the 5 you named. But their schedule could b better + they might letdown after the tragedy of last week

bears are banged up and old but last 2 games are Arizona and Detroit.

The Bears are the most likely but Detroit will be a really tough game.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on December 11, 2012, 02:55:13 AM
mike Carlson seems to have a carry on prop bet going on here. In the last two breaks in play he has used the phrase 'shoot your load' and discussing Calvin and Andre there said something about it's tough to beat  two big Johnsons


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on December 11, 2012, 08:24:46 AM
mike Carlson seems to have a carry on prop bet going on here. In the last two breaks in play he has used the phrase 'shoot your load' and discussing Calvin and Andre their said something about it's tough to beat  two big Johnsons

Couldn't see Jamie Redknapp trying that somehow.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on December 12, 2012, 06:39:56 PM
Any views on the Broncos @ The Ravens. If Lewis and Suggs play as looks likely then Baltimore +3 looks a great bet to me. Taking on Peyton again but it looks good to me.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Simon Galloway on December 16, 2012, 06:13:23 PM
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Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on December 16, 2012, 09:11:21 PM
Canvassing opinions

Behind 49ers/Seattle, Giants, Atlanta, Green Bay..those 5 in any order

If you had to say, which of the Bears and Redskins (or another) would get the last NFC Wild Card berth, and why?

Redskins lead the NFC East with two weeks to go



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on December 16, 2012, 09:40:33 PM
Adrian Peterson needs another 293 yards to break the NFL record for rushing yards. Would be an amazing achievement after recovering from injury in an ever increasing pass dominated league when opposition teams are just stacking the box against the Vikings.

Fun fact he is averaging more per rush (6.1) than Ponder is averaging per pass (5.9)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: MahoganyVic on December 16, 2012, 10:47:32 PM
The chiefs have just gone an entire half without making a first down!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Marky147 on December 16, 2012, 11:40:59 PM
What was with the crossfield pass by the Packers whilst deep in their own half in the 4th 1/4?



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: MahoganyVic on December 16, 2012, 11:58:04 PM
The chiefs have just gone an entire half without making a first down!

Anyone following this game? Pretty sure the KC coach has a bet on them not to score. Went for it on 4th and 6 from the 6 yard line when 9 points down in 3rd quarter. Now has opted to punt instead of try a 40 yard field goal!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Marky147 on December 17, 2012, 01:31:57 AM
Hope this game is as good as I'm anticipating and I have popcorn at the ready for a shootout!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: ChipRich on December 17, 2012, 06:27:48 PM
Hope this game is as good as I'm anticipating and I have popcorn at the ready for a shootout!

Were you disappointed?

Oioiiiiii 49ers! 20/1 your having a larrrrfff! (can't actually remember if it was 1 of the bets you followed us in on pre after talking to Jones tho)

Colin's Barmy Army!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Acidmouse on December 17, 2012, 06:29:17 PM
fml went to sleep 31-3 up lol I thought it was all over and missed the squeaky bum time.

How good was the fake punt on 4th early one? :)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Marky147 on December 17, 2012, 06:30:47 PM
Hope this game is as good as I'm anticipating and I have popcorn at the ready for a shootout!

Were you disappointed?

Oioiiiiii 49ers! 20/1 your having a larrrrfff! (can't actually remember if it was 1 of the bets you followed us in on pre after talking to Jones tho)

Colin's Barmy Army!

Haha, was pretty incred and deffo the best game I've ever seen!

Not on the 20s unfortunately, so you're prob more like a 2/1 shot now ;)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on December 17, 2012, 06:31:27 PM
fml went to sleep 31-3 up lol I thought it was all over and missed the squeaky bum time.

How good was the fake punt on 4th early one? :)

It was like a play you'd use on Madden on the computer, but never in a real game!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: ChipRich on December 17, 2012, 06:32:19 PM
Norrrrr, oh dear. Apologies then!

Ha Acid, it's never over vs Pats


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: MahoganyVic on December 17, 2012, 09:52:42 PM
fml went to sleep 31-3 up lol I thought it was all over and missed the squeaky bum time.

How good was the fake punt on 4th early one? :)

It was like a play you'd use on Madden on the computer, but never in a real game!


Don't spose anyone has a video link for this play? Been searching everywhere but can only find game highlights and it aint in there


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on December 17, 2012, 11:03:58 PM
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012121613/2012/REG15/49ers@patriots#menu=highlights&tab=recap

If you work you way down the list on the right hand side, it is under "Niners trick Patriots"


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: MahoganyVic on December 18, 2012, 12:11:40 PM
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012121613/2012/REG15/49ers@patriots#menu=highlights&tab=recap

If you work you way down the list on the right hand side, it is under "Niners trick Patriots"

Cheers :)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: tikay on December 21, 2012, 10:38:17 AM

If I read things correctly (.....) there is a televised NFL game at 0130 on Sunday morning. SUNDAY morning, not 0130 Monday morning.

Why is this? It appears to be in addition to the three regular televised slots on Sunday evening & early Monday morning.

The game is Falcons @ Lions.


http://www.oddschecker.com/american-football/nfl/atlanta-falcons-at-detroit-lions/winner


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on December 21, 2012, 10:59:31 AM
Saturdays in the US are dominated by college football but the regular season has finished with just the bowls to come with the most important ones happening in the new year. So now the nfl will not be competing with them for prime tv airtime so one (occasionally 2) games are moved to Saturday nights.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: tikay on December 21, 2012, 11:09:24 AM
Saturdays in the US are dominated by college football but the regular season has finished with just the bowls to come with the most important ones happening in the new year. So now the nfl will not be competing with them for prime tv airtime so one (occasionally 2) games are moved to Saturday nights.

Ahh, thanks Longy, that makes sense now. I can actually stay up & watch that, as I don't have to go to work on Sunday, so thats great news.

"just the bowls to come".

The Americans play Bowls? Wow, who'd have thought? My money would be on this chap, all day long.


(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o541/tikay2/Bryant.jpg)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Simon Galloway on December 23, 2012, 07:04:39 PM
Could be an interesting week of results for the Superbowl book.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on December 23, 2012, 07:16:40 PM
Who are the Ravens going to keep then?

Seems like Flacco negotiations aren't going anywhere and if they put the Franchise Tag on him, that means Ed Reed is no longer protected.

Is it as simple as choosing one or is it just media hype?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on December 23, 2012, 08:01:03 PM
Could be an interesting week of results for the Superbowl book.

I think Kansas City could be the only team I have ever seen that would be better off if they played with no QB at the moment.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Royal Flush on December 23, 2012, 10:49:53 PM
Pats and Packers please just keep on marching all the way to the SB would be the best looking book i've ever had


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on December 29, 2012, 12:57:03 PM

I really like the overs in the Baltimore at Cincy game with the line @41. Decent conditions with little wind albeit cold, coldness is rarely as important as you'd think points wise. New offensice co-ordinator at Baltimore and they'll want to continue to play expansively to try things out in preparation for the play offs. Realistically these teams know that they will seeded 4th and 6th and I see them both going easy on starters. The QB's will almost certainly stay in with the play offs next week to stay in synch and against possibly weakened defenses might be plenty of points on offer. The down side is sometimes in this type of game both teams just kind of play it out and wait for the play-offs but divisional rivals and good reason to think Baltimore will be going pretty hard offensively, I think the line is a little low here.

Welcome views on if I'm way off with any of these assertions. It all points to plenty of points imo.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on December 30, 2012, 10:15:53 PM
All Day 68 yards in Q1.

He couldn't... Could he?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on December 30, 2012, 10:48:32 PM
man alive, David Akers better start updating his CV at this rate. wtf


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on December 30, 2012, 11:32:40 PM
Multiple sources stating that Andy Reid will be relieved of his duties as Eagles' coach tomorrow (one of several predicted casualties on 'Black Monday').

The time had well and truly come for this to happen, but he's undoubtedly the best coach in Eagles' history and transformed their fortunes since taking the job in 1999.  It's easy to say with hindsight, but perhaps a leave of absence following the death of his son in training camp would have been the best thing for him to have done.

Thanks for the memories, Andy, and I hope you find success in whatever you do next, most likely coaching the Chargers if speculation is to be believed.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on December 31, 2012, 12:06:30 AM
I think Reid will be a success elsewhere his time was just up in Philly. To survive that long in a place like Philadelphia is a testament to what a good job he did.



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on December 31, 2012, 12:58:00 AM
9 yards short. Incredible performance. Great finish to that game, too.

Houston's loss takes them from 1st to 3rd.

Roll on the playoffs!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on December 31, 2012, 12:58:55 AM
9 yards short. Incredible performance. Great finish to that game, too.

Houston's loss takes them from 1st to 3rd.

Roll on the playoffs!

Playoffs?

Game of the day is still to come tonight!!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on December 31, 2012, 01:01:57 AM
9 yards short. Incredible performance. Great finish to that game, too.

Houston's loss takes them from 1st to 3rd.

Roll on the playoffs!

Playoffs?

Game of the day is still to come tonight!!

:D


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Royal Flush on December 31, 2012, 01:06:10 AM
Chunks, GB drifting in the SB market, black Sunday


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on December 31, 2012, 01:33:59 AM
The colts kick return is one of the most absurd things I've seen in the NFL. The guy runs 101 yards in a straight line from end zone to end zone.

How the heck does that happen?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on December 31, 2012, 01:38:33 AM

Roll on the playoffs!

Playoffs?

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YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7fjDS0jKiE


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on December 31, 2012, 03:29:36 AM
I don't think it's actually possible to overuse the Jim Mora quote!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on December 31, 2012, 07:51:58 PM
Anyone got any thoughts on the Houston/Cincy matchup?

When I looked at the games, I identified this as the most likely upset.

But I was stunned at the line.. I expected 7 or maybe as high as 9.

Opened 4.5, immediately dropped to 4.

Now, I'm thinking this looks like value for Houston.



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on January 01, 2013, 12:28:37 AM
Pretyt much exact same thinking as you really.  I layed 4 last night and was surprised it hasnt moved up significantly.  On the other side I was pretty surprised Baltimore were nearly a TD fave over Indy.  Thought that would be closer to 3.5/4.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Horneris on January 01, 2013, 11:31:41 AM
Cincy defence is absolutely brutal, their pass rush is second to none.

And I'm a long time hater. They could definitely get the W.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on January 01, 2013, 09:52:36 PM
The most high profile college games of the year (BCS bowls) start tonight with the Rose Bowl and Orange Bowl. Sugar bowl is tomorrow night, fiesta bowl on Wednesday and the National Championship game next Monday.

Tbh the games aren't great this year with a lot of clear favourites but this is the pinnacle of College football and there is a lot of history and tradition to the games.

The best matchup is probably the Fiesta with Oregon playing Kansas State, both teams score lots of points and have only lost 1 game each.

Go Ducks!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: WPIL on January 01, 2013, 11:21:08 PM
Have actually preferred the NFL over College this season which is a first in the last few years. Best college game for me was Jonny Football (hot gf as well)and the Aggies winning at Alabama. Both Kansas St & Oregon had a shot for the title game, guess Notre Dame has been very lucky this year but I can't see them getting past Alabama.
Love the Ducks uniforms, probably the best in all US sports!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on January 01, 2013, 11:40:00 PM
Love the Ducks uniforms, probably the best in all US sports!

Oh yes

(http://imageshack.us/a/img339/3483/oregonuni2.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img210/8937/oregonuni1.jpg)

It helps when your main benefactor is the co founder of Nike.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on January 02, 2013, 12:47:39 PM
this was the play of yesterday

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W26Dcns1Mxg


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on January 04, 2013, 01:55:43 PM
There was a 1 point safety in last nights Fiesta bowl! Tick that off the list of things I have never seen before in American football.



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: WPIL on January 04, 2013, 08:43:05 PM
Hadn't heard of that rule before, seems a little unfair if I understand correctly. Happened once before in 2004 in a Texas game. Be a bit sick to loose a game by a point in those circumstances. Anyway does anyone think that Notre Dame have a chance against Bama? Could Bama beat the Chiefs!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on January 04, 2013, 09:13:26 PM
Hadn't heard of that rule before, seems a little unfair if I understand correctly. Happened once before in 2004 in a Texas game. Be a bit sick to loose a game by a point in those circumstances. Anyway does anyone think that Notre Dame have a chance against Bama? Could Bama beat the Chiefs!

Every ex-player, analyst, etc who's opinion I respect always speak in similar terms.  The best college teams would be a 20-30pt dog against the worst NFL teams.

The skill positions might well be similarly matched, but the college team would be outmatched heavily on the O and D lines.

It seems a reasonable enough assessment to me, given that a college team might have 1 or 2 linemen on each side of the ball who make it in the NFL.  By default the pro-team is full of them.

As for the importance of these positions, I give you exhibit A, the 2012 Philadelphia Eagles!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on January 04, 2013, 09:49:32 PM
There was a 1 point safety in last nights Fiesta bowl! Tick that off the list of things I have never seen before in American football.



Is this a rule in the NFL too?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: tikay on January 04, 2013, 10:13:55 PM

For the benefit of those who don't know, a 1 point safety is what, exactly?.........


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on January 04, 2013, 10:19:01 PM
No - I believe it is a dead ball in the NFL Keith.

Tikay - it is when an extra point misses or is blocked and they try to run the ball out but are tackled in the endzone.  Similar to a regular safety but only happens after a missed/blocked extra point.  60yo guy in the office been involved in the game all his life and says it is the first time he has ever seen it. 


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on January 04, 2013, 10:38:11 PM
I had never heard of it, college football only I assume?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on January 04, 2013, 10:41:53 PM
Yes - the reason the try and run it out is that they can get 2 points if they return it hence the penalty if they are tackled in end zone which i didn't know until just now.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on January 04, 2013, 10:52:38 PM
No - I believe it is a dead ball in the NFL Keith.

Tikay - it is when an extra point misses or is blocked and they try to run the ball out but are tackled in the endzone.  Similar to a regular safety but only happens after a missed/blocked extra point.  60yo guy in the office been involved in the game all his life and says it is the first time he has ever seen it. 

If Oregon had recovered the blocked PAT in the end zone do they score a point?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on January 04, 2013, 11:16:28 PM
Chip Kelly is on the verge of the weirdest uniform change in Sports history. Oregon to the Browns

Good news for Mr Trent Richardson. Wonder what he will do with Weeden at QB?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Royal Flush on January 05, 2013, 12:50:57 AM
Hadn't heard of that rule before, seems a little unfair if I understand correctly. Happened once before in 2004 in a Texas game. Be a bit sick to loose a game by a point in those circumstances. Anyway does anyone think that Notre Dame have a chance against Bama? Could Bama beat the Chiefs!

Every ex-player, analyst, etc who's opinion I respect always speak in similar terms.  The best college teams would be a 20-30pt dog against the worst NFL teams.

Would wager my net worth on any NFL team against any college team at -30, assuming it was a competitive game.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: LeKnave on January 05, 2013, 12:57:06 AM
No - I believe it is a dead ball in the NFL Keith.

Tikay - it is when an extra point misses or is blocked and they try to run the ball out but are tackled in the endzone.  Similar to a regular safety but only happens after a missed/blocked extra point.  60yo guy in the office been involved in the game all his life and says it is the first time he has ever seen it. 

If Oregon had recovered the blocked PAT in the end zone do they score a point?

2 i'm guessing


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: LeKnave on January 05, 2013, 12:59:31 AM
Skins win NFC East @ 12/1

oioi

Panthers win NFC South @ 11/2

nono


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on January 05, 2013, 01:20:40 AM
Hadn't heard of that rule before, seems a little unfair if I understand correctly. Happened once before in 2004 in a Texas game. Be a bit sick to loose a game by a point in those circumstances. Anyway does anyone think that Notre Dame have a chance against Bama? Could Bama beat the Chiefs!

Every ex-player, analyst, etc who's opinion I respect always speak in similar terms.  The best college teams would be a 20-30pt dog against the worst NFL teams.

Would wager my net worth on any NFL team against any college team at -30, assuming it was a competitive game.

This would be equivalent to an under 21 rugby union side against a premiership team. The pack would get massacred over 80 minutes, however much pace the backs might have. Thus I assume in NFL v College, as was mentioned earlier, the lines would do all the hard work.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on January 05, 2013, 01:47:15 AM
Hadn't heard of that rule before, seems a little unfair if I understand correctly. Happened once before in 2004 in a Texas game. Be a bit sick to loose a game by a point in those circumstances. Anyway does anyone think that Notre Dame have a chance against Bama? Could Bama beat the Chiefs!

Every ex-player, analyst, etc who's opinion I respect always speak in similar terms.  The best college teams would be a 20-30pt dog against the worst NFL teams.

Would wager my net worth on any NFL team against any college team at -30, assuming it was a competitive game.

I'm sure there'd be plenty who would do the same, which is why it's such a fascinating debate, but you're really just taking a view on the dynamics of a game having such a skewed line (i.e. one that you'd only see for a college game, but never in the NFL itself).

I've never done any analysis on it, but I've often wondered if betting blind on the dog in any NFL game with a massive line (which for the NFL I'd take to be >14pts) would be profitable long-term.  In college football the same rationale would probably apply to lines that are something like 35pts plus and the argument gets stronger as at that stage you're getting firmly in the the realm of game dynamics (i.e. whether teams would carry on running up the score) at that point.

It's a tough one though as to where you could set a balanced line for a game like that.  30pts is at the extreme end, undoubtedly, but it's hard to see how anyone could realistically set anything below 20pts and not expect to get the NFL side get massive action.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on January 05, 2013, 01:49:32 AM
Andy Reid Head Coach of the Chiefs......


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on January 05, 2013, 01:58:31 AM
Andy Reid Head Coach of the Chiefs......

Does this mean Vick will move with him? Chiefs need a QB, right?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on January 05, 2013, 01:59:10 AM
Andy Reid Head Coach of the Chiefs......

I could see how that could be a really good appointment for them.  Reid definitely needed to escape Philly and the surprise to me is that he's shown such an appetite to take another role so quickly.  There's no doubt as to his coaching credentials overall.  The question masrk is whether he can recover the Midas touch of the early part of his Eagles tenure.

The key thing here though is the firing of Pioli, which guarantees him total control over personnel.

I really hope he's a success there, especially as there's such a limited direct rivalry involved between the two teams.  I'm pretty sure most Eagles fans will feel the same way.

I'm more concerned about the news on Chip Kelly and the Browns, to be honest.  That is potentially bad news from an Eagles perspective.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on January 05, 2013, 02:02:57 AM
Andy Reid Head Coach of the Chiefs......

Does this mean Vick will move with him? Chiefs need a QB, right?

Kolb might be a more likely candidate if the Cards decide to bail on him.  But for an ill-timed concussion in his first game as the new Eagles' franchise QB, he'd probably still be their starting QB now (scary thought, with hindsight) but Reid does rate him highly.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on January 05, 2013, 02:09:06 AM
Andy Reid Head Coach of the Chiefs......

Does this mean Vick will move with him? Chiefs need a QB, right?

Chiefs should pick Geno Smith first

Already the beginnings of a team there, with Jamaal Charles to run it, and an ok defense when everyone's fit (Dorsey, Eric Berry etc)

Pick a young QB, add some more talent on a two draft view and he should turn them round...


as Fisher is beginning to do with the Rams, for example

Of course having a Luck or an RG3 turns around a franchise very quickly, and no one is saying its a good year to want a QB, so in that sense the Chiefs are a bit unlucky to picking at the top of the draft this year


A good year for a team like the Eagles, who need OL desperately. Been taking a peek at Texas A and M in the Cotton bowl tonight and they have a tackle called Luke Joeckel who is terrific, ideal pick for the Eagles at 4 this draft

 


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on January 05, 2013, 05:05:12 AM
Re Chip Kelly, having followed Oregon the last couple of years I know a bit about him and am nothing but impressed. He is a very smart guy, not only a great innovator with his hurry spread offence but "gets" in game mathematical decisons that are missed every week in the NFL (and college).

No doubt he is massive risk/reward for a franchise, no one knows whether his skills will transfer to the pro game but if they do he will be a revelation in the NFL. 

For his sake and that of a franchise he needs as much control as possible imo, there is no point in going to this half cock. It either pays off massively or it doesn't, thats why despite the lack of Kellyesque personel at Cleveland a young talented team with an understanding ownership is perfect.

I think Carolina are missing a big trick not going for Kelly here (sacking Riveria) he is perfect for Cam and their running back core.

I for one am excited to see him get a shot as it should be fun for everyone to see how it works out especially if he is a success*. Of course please stay at Oregon Chip, the ducks are guarenteed national contender for the forseeable future under him.


*If you have never watched Oregon play, you should it is easily the most spectator attractive offensive team you are likely to see.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on January 05, 2013, 05:16:09 AM
Hadn't heard of that rule before, seems a little unfair if I understand correctly. Happened once before in 2004 in a Texas game. Be a bit sick to loose a game by a point in those circumstances. Anyway does anyone think that Notre Dame have a chance against Bama? Could Bama beat the Chiefs!

Every ex-player, analyst, etc who's opinion I respect always speak in similar terms.  The best college teams would be a 20-30pt dog against the worst NFL teams.

Would wager my net worth on any NFL team against any college team at -30, assuming it was a competitive game.

I'm sure there'd be plenty who would do the same, which is why it's such a fascinating debate, but you're really just taking a view on the dynamics of a game having such a skewed line (i.e. one that you'd only see for a college game, but never in the NFL itself).

I've never done any analysis on it, but I've often wondered if betting blind on the dog in any NFL game with a massive line (which for the NFL I'd take to be >14pts) would be profitable long-term.  In college football the same rationale would probably apply to lines that are something like 35pts plus and the argument gets stronger as at that stage you're getting firmly in the the realm of game dynamics (i.e. whether teams would carry on running up the score) at that point.

It's a tough one though as to where you could set a balanced line for a game like that.  30pts is at the extreme end, undoubtedly, but it's hard to see how anyone could realistically set anything below 20pts and not expect to get the NFL side get massive action.

Whilst I think there is merit in this for the NFL there is definitely not in college.  From a betting perspective it is just a totally different game and some of the better teams just annihilate opponents.  When I first started betting college that was a mistake I made and I think I lost three straight years by being too stubborn about it.  Now my approach is similar to my NBA approach which is to look for the good teams with an expectation they will cover then look for compelling reasons why they won't.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: WPIL on January 05, 2013, 07:39:59 AM
Is there not a chance that Chip Kelly will stay at the Ducks, not sure if his offence will work in the NFL unless he had a Cam Newton or RG3 and this years crop of college QBs is not as good as last years (will it be as good as the class of 83) and its going to be at least a 2 year wait for Jonny M.
Some coaches are just better suited to college for example Steve Spurrier and Chip has a chance to build a dynasty up there in rainy Oregon, remember they were only 1 loss away from a national championship game, which they would have been favourites in.
I was tounge in cheek about Alabama beating the Chiefs, it would be down to the physical skills and the coaching, especially on the lines and in the secondary that would me it lopsided for the NFL team especially in today's NFL where there are no truly bad teams.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on January 05, 2013, 05:23:06 PM
Andy Reid just about confirmed as the new Kansas City coach, not much of a fan tbh but that does look a good fit to me. If they could find any kind of serviceable QB  and get in some wr to help Bowe then they could be a team that could turn around a terrible season into a winning season next year. I wonder if Mike Vick might end up there too given he would fit the profile of an upgrade at QB and have knowledge of what the new coach likes to do. Vick backed up by a Kyle Orton type might do the job given the new coach and both those QB's have loads of experience of outdoor iffy weather teams.



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on January 05, 2013, 06:26:19 PM
Good appointment by the Chiefs , he was the best candidate available imo.

Any opinions on who they pick 1st in the draft, there isn't a Luck or RG3 in the draft. Geno Smith from West Virginia??


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on January 05, 2013, 06:42:36 PM
Good appointment by the Chiefs , he was the best candidate available imo.

Any opinions on who they pick 1st in the draft, there isn't a Luck or RG3 in the draft. Geno Smith from West Virginia??

I think they will look for a proven QB which might rule out drafting one to start str8 away, would it be right to say there are no stand out QB's in the draft this year?

They have to draft on O because defensively they are ok, the turnover numbers that the O gave away this year just kept putting the D under more pressure which made their numbers look much worse. I have no idea about the individual players tho, we need some Tighty inside info.




Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on January 05, 2013, 06:46:56 PM
see my post above Phil

They should draft Geno Smith

Definitely draft O, a QB and receivers.


Not a good year to want a Luck or RG3 though, the best players in the draft are DL, OL types

so a good year if you need big uglies


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on January 05, 2013, 06:55:08 PM
Whoops I forgot you posted that last night, Tighty?

How do you see the first few picks in the draft going? I know you like to follow this in detail!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on January 05, 2013, 06:55:27 PM
cheers Rich, threads move so fast when you are popping on a few times a day. I will check out Geno Smith.thanks


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on January 05, 2013, 07:13:31 PM
Whoops I forgot you posted that last night, Tighty?

How do you see the first few picks in the draft going? I know you like to follow this in detail!

not sure yet but names in the top 5 should be

Star Lotulei from utah a monster DT

DT's like Suh etc are at a premium because there aren't many 350lb plus monsters that can move quickly and anchor a defense (eg Haloti Ngata)

Luke Joeckel from Texas A and M a really good Left Tackle. Eagles for him. Need meets draft slot

quite a few pass rushers around too

not a good year for QBs....


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on January 05, 2013, 07:28:30 PM
If Peters is healthy again next year then we have the best LT in the NFL so would be very surprised if we used the high draft pick on one unless he can switch.

Different story if he struggles to recover as Demetress Bell and King Dunlap hardly set the world alight in his place.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on January 05, 2013, 08:25:31 PM
If Peters is healthy again next year then we have the best LT in the NFL so would be very surprised if we used the high draft pick on one unless he can switch.

Different story if he struggles to recover as Demetress Bell and King Dunlap hardly set the world alight in his place.

He can play right tackle for his first year, and proivide insurance if Peters doesn't come back right

If Peters does, then Joeckel at right tackle and move Todd Herremans to guard


Surely whoever coaches the Eagles will be using McCoy to try to run the heck out of it for 16 games. Need a far better OL to do that first, and a change in philosophy to actually use your best player properly.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on January 05, 2013, 11:56:03 PM
Just read this:


The NFL also allows for the one-point safety, but only for the offense. Because play ends on an NFL conversion as soon as the defense gains possession, the only way this really could happen is if the defense batted the ball from the field of play into its own end zone


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Royal Flush on January 06, 2013, 12:12:34 AM
Colts +7 an all in moment?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on January 06, 2013, 12:20:52 AM
Colts +7 an all in moment?

It's the side I prefer.

But no way is it an allin bet.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Evilpengwinz on January 06, 2013, 04:12:20 AM
Loving that spike with 1 second left in the game when the Vikings were 2 TDs behind, Joe Webb taking padding his stats to a whole new level.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on January 06, 2013, 04:30:08 AM
Loving that spike with 1 second left in the game when the Vikings were 2 TDs behind, Joe Webb taking padding his stats to a whole new level.

He could have thrown a td on the last play which would have won my bet!

Regardless, were those the worst two play off games ever?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Horneris on January 06, 2013, 04:32:52 AM
Loving that spike with 1 second left in the game when the Vikings were 2 TDs behind, Joe Webb taking padding his stats to a whole new level.

I despised it, it would have been the end of days if I didn't win my GreenBay alternative handicap bet because of that after that cakewalk of a game.

Especially after the same thing happened to me last week to cost me my San Fran handicap bet when fucking Brian Hoyer through a TD to Michael Flloyd on like 4th & 30  >:(


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Karabiner on January 06, 2013, 06:15:28 PM
Colts +7 an all in moment?

I like the colts+7 too fwiw.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Royal Flush on January 06, 2013, 08:04:48 PM
I'm involved quite large at +7.5 with lads and outright at a shade over 3's


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on January 06, 2013, 08:28:02 PM
Flacco is stepping up in Q3.

Is the Ray Lewis announcement making a difference to the Ravens?

Should we expect the Colts to come back?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Royal Flush on January 06, 2013, 10:00:12 PM
:( beans done


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: LeKnave on January 07, 2013, 06:02:38 AM
Of course please stay at Oregon Chip, the ducks are guarenteed national contender for the forseeable future under him.

wish granted mate, hes told the eagles hes staying on at Oregon.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on January 07, 2013, 06:46:57 AM
Of course please stay at Oregon Chip, the ducks are guarenteed national contender for the forseeable future under him.

wish granted mate, hes told the eagles hes staying on at Oregon.

Yip very happy, did a little fist pump when I heard.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on January 07, 2013, 09:49:53 AM
Fascinating final game last night.  Hope the fact that RG3 was walking after the game is a sign that the knee will be good for next season.  Despite the NFC East rivalry, he's been a massive plus point in the NFL this season, and I'd happily watch him play week after week.

I suspect the Seahawks will now get past the Falcons next week, although judging by the early line moves, most other people do too!





Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: AndrewT on January 07, 2013, 09:58:11 AM
Which is better to bet on: Seahawks +3 4/5 or +2.5 10/11?

I guess the skinnier price to have the push for a Falcons FG win?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Horneris on January 07, 2013, 10:00:20 AM
Which is better to bet on: Seahawks +3 4/5 or +2.5 10/11?

I guess the skinnier price to have the push for a Falcons FG win?

yep


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on January 07, 2013, 10:14:28 AM
Which is better to bet on: Seahawks +3 4/5 or +2.5 10/11?

I guess the skinnier price to have the push for a Falcons FG win?

+3 is still a good bet but Clemons would have been a massive player against Ryan and the injury news isn´t good. Frustratingly I think we might still have got that line without the injury, that would have been a great bet.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: WPIL on January 07, 2013, 08:28:55 PM
Seattle
3 loses in domes this year against those NFL powerhouse's od the Lions, Cards and Rams
Bit soon to write of he Falcons.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on January 07, 2013, 09:21:58 PM
Seattle
3 loses in domes this year against those NFL powerhouse's od the Lions, Cards and Rams
Bit soon to write of he Falcons.

Certainly not writing the Falcons off, in fact I think they should be very marginally favourites. I don´t think the pre-November defeats in domes have much relevance to this game. Seattle are a totally different team on both sides of the ball since they let Wilson play more expansively.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: WPIL on January 07, 2013, 09:48:20 PM
Thinking this is the hardest game to predict in the quarters (Pats and Broncos should get through)
Sad end to the Redskins season last night, was clear that RG3 was struggling from the end of the last quarter (cheap shot hit as well), thinking we could have probably put up another 13 points with Cousins and the Mazda man running.
Looking forward to next season when the Skins get healthy, think we can make a Super Bowl run


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on January 09, 2013, 04:20:59 PM
I see the Cowboys have fired The Dude as Defensive Coordinator.

Thoughts Tighty?  Good move, bad move?

At least Garrett might get some facetime TV coverage now.  Ryan must have out-featured him by about 3:1.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on January 09, 2013, 04:33:02 PM
I see the Cowboys have fired The Dude as Defensive Coordinator.

Thoughts Tighty?  Good move, bad move?

At least Garrett might get some facetime TV coverage now.  Ryan must have out-featured him by about 3:1.

A bit irrelevant really. No chance of appointing a proper GM or a Head Coach who will stand up to the owner/GM, after all

Ryan lost a lot of the defence to season ending injuries, so it could be argued he's a bit unlucky

However, in the interests of making the whole thing less of a circus, probably a good thing


Any team in the NFC East has to be structured on defence to beat RG3 (once he's back) to stand a chance of winning the division. As over two games we showed no clue at al in stopping his read-option, Ryan has probably paid the price of that


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on January 09, 2013, 04:45:49 PM
Interesting listening to Ross Tucker talk about RG3's injury (supposedly a partial tear of LCL and ACL).

He think's a partial tear of the ACL could be the worst scenario, as they only surgically repair full tears, so rehab is the only option but it then becomes a bit of a lottery as to how stable the knee is in future.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: KarmaDope on January 10, 2013, 09:06:56 PM
Thoughts on backing HOU +9.5? I was expecting the line to be a bit shorter...


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on January 10, 2013, 09:25:46 PM
Thoughts on backing HOU +9.5? I was expecting the line to be a bit shorter...

I think they´ll have a lot of trouble scoring points with the way Schaub is playing and Bellicheck and Brady´s NE tend to be really ruthless in spots like this. Having said that they are the better "side" of the bet imo.

I´m more interested in Baltimore getting the same start at Denver, two excellent running backs (important at altitude) and a hugely experienced defense that may well be able to slow Manning down. Denver will be very strong late on and they think they´ll win but I do feel it will be close.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on January 10, 2013, 09:31:43 PM
Comedy american stat of the week contender:

Manning is 0-3 in postseason games where the temperature at kickoff is below 40 degrees. In those games with the Indianapolis Colts -- including a 41-0 loss to the New York Jets in January 2003, and a pair of losses to the New England Patriots in January of 2004 and 2005 -- Manning has thrown just one touchdown to seven interceptions.





Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: KarmaDope on January 12, 2013, 12:13:52 AM
Another one which I am not sure on...

On Betfair - LAY Broncos -15.5 £100 to win £30?

Also noticed that the general line is -9.5 but bwin go -10/5 Broncos/+10.5 Ravens - which one is the better bet? Albeit Broncos are Evens whilst Ravens are 3/4 on.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on January 12, 2013, 03:16:46 PM
First and second team All Pros announced

50 is the max score, from the voting panel of 50

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000125147/article/allpro-adrian-peterson-jj-watt-headline-teams?campaign=Twitter_atl


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on January 12, 2013, 03:38:53 PM
First and second team All Pros announced

50 is the max score, from the voting panel of 50

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000125147/article/allpro-adrian-peterson-jj-watt-headline-teams?campaign=Twitter_atl

Always loved the dream team concept since I was a kid. This isn´t a team for the ages though. Like the Defensive ends but aside from Earl Thomas the safety´s are a mediocre bunch imo.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on January 12, 2013, 09:38:23 PM
Neil Reynolds hits the nail on the head for me: do you want to be the guy who lets down Ray Lewis?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on January 12, 2013, 09:40:34 PM
Neil Reynolds hits the nail on the head for me: do you want to be the guy who lets down Ray Lewis?

Or Ed Reed? All time greats. I watch Ed Reed highlights on you tube all day before a game like this, he is just amazing.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on January 12, 2013, 09:43:45 PM
It was a really impressive interview with Lewis. Nice to hear someone say discipline in the team is down to the players to police and that includes trouser waist height.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on January 12, 2013, 09:49:25 PM
Holy cow!!!!

That is phenomenally quick. He has fabulous knee height.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Marky147 on January 12, 2013, 10:02:07 PM
It was a really impressive interview with Lewis. Nice to hear someone say discipline in the team is down to the players to police and that includes trouser waist height.



There are a series of these, but I've only seen this one so far and I thought it was excellent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Football_Life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Football_Life)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M62iU4hWV_g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M62iU4hWV_g)

(Video won't link normally for some reason)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TL900 on January 12, 2013, 10:03:43 PM
legooooooo Ravensssss


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on January 12, 2013, 10:05:16 PM
It was a really impressive interview with Lewis. Nice to hear someone say discipline in the team is down to the players to police and that includes trouser waist height.



There are a series of these, but I've only seen this one so far and I thought it was excellent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Football_Life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Football_Life)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M62iU4hWV_g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M62iU4hWV_g)

(Video won't link normally for some reason)

I've seen a couple of pieces but thanks for the links for the rest, Marky.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TL900 on January 12, 2013, 11:13:28 PM
Wow, sick drive by the Ravens. This game is fun to watch.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Marky147 on January 12, 2013, 11:19:39 PM
I've seen a couple of pieces but thanks for the links for the rest, Marky.

No worries, I've got the Belichick 2 parter to watch tomorrow which I'm looking forward to.


Wow, sick drive by the Ravens. This game is fun to watch.

Loving it so far, a friend of mine lives in Breckendridge and he's at the game. Everytime Denver score he's phoning me up so I can listen to the crowd :(


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: fatcatstu on January 12, 2013, 11:20:15 PM
This game has been immense so far!

Flacco needs to keep using Torrey Smith, he is tearing his man a new one here.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Marky147 on January 12, 2013, 11:21:41 PM
This game has been immense so far!

Flacco needs to keep using Torrey Smith, he is tearing his man a new one here.

Yeah, hopefully the 2nd half is more of the same and Flacco just gets us there!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on January 12, 2013, 11:23:10 PM
Champ Bailey has spent a career going one on one with WRs, with no safety help

Then, in this game, he gets torn a new one by Torrey smith

Half time adjustment needed!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Marky147 on January 12, 2013, 11:25:18 PM
It appears the Eagles are the Barnsley of the NFL according to the studio and struggling to get a new coach, or did I hear it wrong?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on January 12, 2013, 11:28:33 PM
Champ Bailey has spent a career going one on one with WRs, with no safety help

Then, in this game, he gets torn a new one by Torrey smith

Half time adjustment needed!

For year´s no one even threw it near Bailey, I´ve always thought he was not quite that good, Revis is the only CB I would completely avoid.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on January 12, 2013, 11:28:34 PM
Chip Kelly of Oregon turned down the Eagles and the Chiefs

The Eagles have been interviewing loads since

No closer to an appointment, as far as we are aware but more important to get it right than rush


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on January 12, 2013, 11:29:53 PM
The thing they both have in common is Sheriff Fatman on here supports them both.  I blame him....very hard to please!!!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on January 12, 2013, 11:31:05 PM
Champ Bailey has spent a career going one on one with WRs, with no safety help

Then, in this game, he gets torn a new one by Torrey smith

Half time adjustment needed!

For year´s no one even threw it near Bailey, I´ve always thought he was not quite that good, Revis is the only CB I would completely avoid.

Seems to have lost half a yard of pace. As you say, his coverage was so good that you wouldn't have known that if it had happened five years ago!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on January 12, 2013, 11:32:13 PM
Can you believe Houston let that guy go?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on January 12, 2013, 11:33:16 PM
Can you believe Houston let that guy go?

NFL is littered with baffling roster decisions, but Trindon Holliday is one of the more public ones!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: fatcatstu on January 12, 2013, 11:33:44 PM
2 return TD's in a game? WTF?

Lets see waht Flacco has. Really want the ravens to keep going so Ray Lewis gets another game!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: WPIL on January 12, 2013, 11:34:00 PM
A lot of Bronco fans missed that return, come on


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on January 12, 2013, 11:35:36 PM
Can you believe Houston let that guy go?

NFL is littered with baffling roster decisions, but Trindon Holliday is one of the more public ones!

yes, was baffling at the time wasn't it, he looked handy pre season and they cut him and said they were not happy with their average starting field position. I think it might have been getting him some gaps that was the problem.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: WPIL on January 12, 2013, 11:36:47 PM
Is this played at Emritates


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on January 12, 2013, 11:42:28 PM
Trindon Holliday becomes first player with punt and kickoff return TDs in same playoff game, ever, by the way


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: fatcatstu on January 12, 2013, 11:56:10 PM
Great defensive effort from The Ravens there.

The flags on the Mannign sack/fumble were a joke IMO. Refs blatently invoking the "you cant sack Peyton, you might break his hip" rule.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Royal Flush on January 13, 2013, 12:16:25 AM
Come on Baltimore do this mob!!!



Denver Broncos
-£1,955.30

New England Patriots
£4,745.62

San Francisco 49ers
-£1,955.30   

Green Bay Packers
£16,737.68

Letting it all ride, sick sweat tonight


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on January 13, 2013, 12:20:06 AM
good luck James.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Marky147 on January 13, 2013, 12:22:12 AM
I don't mind doing a bottle seeing as you're sweating a bit more, good luck son :D


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TL900 on January 13, 2013, 12:23:19 AM
Dec 4th Q set up.

Lets go Baltimoreee


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Eso Kral on January 13, 2013, 12:23:44 AM
Come on Baltimore do this mob!!!



Denver Broncos
-£1,955.30

New England Patriots
£4,745.62

San Francisco 49ers
-£1,955.30   

Green Bay Packers
£16,737.68

Letting it all ride, sick sweat tonight
Degens gonna degen ;)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: fatcatstu on January 13, 2013, 12:45:47 AM
Come on Baltimore do this mob!!!



Denver Broncos
-£1,955.30

New England Patriots
£4,745.62

San Francisco 49ers
-£1,955.30   

Green Bay Packers
£16,737.68

Letting it all ride, sick sweat tonight

Wow GLGLGL, gonna take a hell of an effort from here for the Ravens here...


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TL900 on January 13, 2013, 01:08:45 AM
TOUCHDOWN RAVENS!!!!!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on January 13, 2013, 01:08:58 AM
O M G


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Marky147 on January 13, 2013, 01:09:42 AM
Flacco stepping up!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: 77dave on January 13, 2013, 01:10:22 AM
cant believe they didnt go for 2 ;)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on January 13, 2013, 01:13:20 AM
cant believe they didnt go for 2 ;)

crying out for a statue of liberty play there Dave.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6Wfg0n2EE8


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Marky147 on January 13, 2013, 01:14:03 AM
cant believe they didnt go for 2 ;)

Haha, where is coach Taylor when you need him :)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on January 13, 2013, 01:16:09 AM
cant believe they didnt go for 2 ;)

Haha, where is coach Taylor when you need him :)

lol, Coach Taylor would have scored twice in the last 33 secs


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on January 13, 2013, 01:19:50 AM
Horrific by the Broncos D, letting anybody get behind you there is criminal.

Good game though!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: AndrewT on January 13, 2013, 01:20:20 AM
Blimey, it's -14C. That's nippy.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on January 13, 2013, 01:22:38 AM
Makes up for all those crap games last week!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Marky147 on January 13, 2013, 01:24:37 AM
My friend has a long drive back to Breckenridge when Flacco gets this done!!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Royal Flush on January 13, 2013, 01:40:08 AM
Pickernick!!!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on January 13, 2013, 01:42:08 AM
wow what  a play


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TL900 on January 13, 2013, 01:50:24 AM
oh my


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on January 13, 2013, 01:55:32 AM
what a game that was

Unbelievable heart by the Ravens.

Want to be on the winner of Texans/Pats against them next week!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TL900 on January 13, 2013, 01:56:14 AM
Baltimoreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on January 13, 2013, 01:56:29 AM
a dreadful error by Manning was a bad way to end it but what a game.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Royal Flush on January 13, 2013, 01:57:38 AM
Incredible game, absolutely loved it.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on January 13, 2013, 01:58:35 AM
Peyton Manning is now 9-11 in the playoffs with 5 home losses as the 1 seed twice, 2 seed twice and a 3 seed.

Incredible really, for one of the best ever


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on January 13, 2013, 01:59:23 AM
Incredible game, absolutely loved it.

How many people do you reckon will be raving about these 2morrow Flushy? ;)


FT   Queens Park R.   0 - 0   Tottenham H.
 FT   Aston Villa   0 - 1   Southampton
 FT   Everton   0 - 0   Swansea C.
 FT   Fulham   1 - 1   Wigan Athletic
 FT   Norwich C.   0 - 0   Newcastle U.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Royal Flush on January 13, 2013, 02:00:32 AM
Such a shame that a negative culture towards American sports exists in the UK, we really do miss out.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: LeKnave on January 13, 2013, 02:01:46 AM
insane game. makes up for the dross last week.

what a sport.



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TL900 on January 13, 2013, 02:02:57 AM
Such a shame that a negative culture towards American sports exists in the UK, we really do miss out.

so much this.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on January 13, 2013, 02:03:33 AM
Such a shame that a negative culture towards American sports exists in the UK, we really do miss out.

The close minded people deserve to miss out on American Football imo, natural selection.

Tbf I struggle with Basketball, very over hyped imo.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on January 13, 2013, 02:06:22 AM
Such a shame that a negative culture towards American sports exists in the UK, we really do miss out.

The close minded people deserve to miss out on American Football imo, natural selection.

Tbf I struggle with Basketball, very over hyped imo.

Problem with basketball is it's either a blowout or totally irrelevant until the last 2 minutes.

End of a close game is incred


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on January 13, 2013, 02:09:09 AM
Baseball and Basketball seasons are about 3 months too long each, and baseball in particular has too many games with uncompetitive teams with nothing to play for for months.

NFL is so fantastic as there is a scarcity factor in my opinion

Agree with the general sentiment!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on January 13, 2013, 02:15:09 AM
p.s you are 35-35 with 30 seconds to go and two time outs, Manning at QB and you take a Knee?

Why don't you throw a 15 yard pass, or try to..time out..same again...time out...try the shot to nothing 50-60yd field goal at altitude?

I didn't get the conservatism by Denver in that spot?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on January 13, 2013, 02:17:44 AM
p.s you are 35-35 with 30 seconds to go and two time outs, Manning at QB and you take a Knee?

Why don't you throw a 15 yard pass, or try to..time out..same again...time out...try the shot to nothing 50-60yd field goal at altitude?

I didn't get the conservatism by Denver in that spot?

Just as bad was not throwing a pass on 3 and 6 with 2 minutes left.

Balt had 9 men in the box.

Play action fake would have been perfect.

Manning could have swallowed it if it wasn't an easy completion.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on January 13, 2013, 02:26:09 AM
Disagree Keith think the 3rd and 6 play is standard/best, the time off clock by running is too valuable to outweigh any perceived advantage of passing.

I thought kneeling the last time of regulation was way too conservative and is a standard NFL coaching mistake where coaches are too afraid of making a mistake rather than trying to win.



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on January 13, 2013, 02:29:41 AM
Disagree Keith think the 3rd and 6 play is standard/best, the time off clock by running is too valuable to outweigh any perceived advantage of passing.

I thought kneeling the last time of regulation was way too conservative and is a standard NFL coaching mistake where coaches are too afraid of making a mistake rather than trying to win.



You have the best QB in the league.

Baltimore had 9 men in the box.

Play action fake, if the man is not wide open, Manning swallows it and the clock keeps running.

Just the obv call, Baltimore never gets the ball back.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on January 13, 2013, 02:37:22 AM
I think trying to end the game with a 6 yard pass is a good call there, I don't think the Pats would think twice in that spot


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on January 13, 2013, 02:37:54 AM
Disagree Keith think the 3rd and 6 play is standard/best, the time off clock by running is too valuable to outweigh any perceived advantage of passing.

I thought kneeling the last time of regulation was way too conservative and is a standard NFL coaching mistake where coaches are too afraid of making a mistake rather than trying to win.



You have the best QB in the league.

Baltimore had 9 men in the box.

Play action fake, if the man is not wide open, Manning swallows it and the clock keeps running.

Just the obv call, Baltimore never gets the ball back.

Yep this is a clear passing spot, can only think the cold influenced the decision. A first down is the game with the best QB there´s ever been.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: MahoganyVic on January 13, 2013, 02:41:43 AM
This game is incredible. Best hour of sport i've ever seen. Kaepernick what a man


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Marky147 on January 13, 2013, 02:42:10 AM
I used to be the typical thick prop forward with the standard 'NFL nonsense game, they wear loads of pads, big girls should man up' attitude towards NFL.

I still remember my first game, it was Colts vs Titans at the start of the 09/10 season. There was supposedly a coup with Colts only being -3, he was sure it was a greaet spot, but Camel was on the Titans side and he wasn't sure if he had missed something. The Colts won anyway, we got paid and I was hooked.

Fast forward 3 years and I'm still a thick prop forward, but I absolutely love the game :)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on January 13, 2013, 02:54:14 AM
what a night this is turning into.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TL900 on January 13, 2013, 02:55:32 AM
gl beating tonight NFL sunday.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on January 13, 2013, 02:56:28 AM
It appears the Eagles are the Barnsley of the NFL according to the studio and struggling to get a new coach, or did I hear it wrong?

The thing they both have in common is Sheriff Fatman on here supports them both.  I blame him....very hard to please!!!

 ;frustrated;


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Marky147 on January 13, 2013, 03:20:57 AM
It appears the Eagles are the Barnsley of the NFL according to the studio and struggling to get a new coach, or did I hear it wrong?

The thing they both have in common is Sheriff Fatman on here supports them both.  I blame him....very hard to please!!!

 ;frustrated;

On the upside Flitcroft will hopefully be made manager until season end tomorrow m8 :)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: the sicilian on January 13, 2013, 03:45:34 AM
Lol kapernick... Wot an athlete !


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on January 13, 2013, 03:47:46 AM
Incred


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: the sicilian on January 13, 2013, 03:59:12 AM
Seemed odd at half time total points was 68.5 after45 in the first half and both offenses in the mood...have lumped on


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: the sicilian on January 13, 2013, 04:25:50 AM
Seemed odd at half time total points was 68.5 after45 in the first half and both offenses in the mood...have lumped on

Bink


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: maccol on January 13, 2013, 04:26:04 AM
Seemed odd at half time total points was 68.5 after45 in the first half and both offenses in the mood...have lumped on
BOOM.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on January 13, 2013, 10:31:39 AM
Superb results. Much better stuff.

This is in the NFL.com review

It's hard to watch Kaepernick's performance and not think that the quarterback position is changing. Players like Kaepernick, Russell Wilson, Robert Griffin III and Cam Newton won't reinvent the game. But there is no denying that teams are doing a better job using these quarterbacks' unique, multifaceted skill sets early in their careers. The NFL is infamously conservative, but it is also a league of evolution. Kaepernick's strong arm, blinding speed and San Francisco's creative offense looks a little different than anything we've seen.

Was Michael Vick not like this at Atlanta? He went north of 1,000 rushing yards, didn't he? Or is this more a general statement of sixteen stone six footers who are complete athletes?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Royal Flush on January 13, 2013, 11:24:34 AM
I used to be the typical thick prop forward with the standard 'NFL nonsense game, they wear loads of pads, big girls should man up' attitude towards NFL.

I still remember my first game, it was Colts vs Titans at the start of the 09/10 season. There was supposedly a coup with Colts only being -3, he was sure it was a greaet spot, but Camel was on the Titans side and he wasn't sure if he had missed something. The Colts won anyway, we got paid and I was hooked.

Fast forward 3 years and I'm still a thick prop forward, but I absolutely love the game :)

Won by 35ish if I remember. We were all on for bundles!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Marky147 on January 13, 2013, 11:50:34 AM
I used to be the typical thick prop forward with the standard 'NFL nonsense game, they wear loads of pads, big girls should man up' attitude towards NFL.

I still remember my first game, it was Colts vs Titans at the start of the 09/10 season. There was supposedly a coup with Colts only being -3, he was sure it was a greaet spot, but Camel was on the Titans side and he wasn't sure if he had missed something. The Colts won anyway, we got paid and I was hooked.

Fast forward 3 years and I'm still a thick prop forward, but I absolutely love the game :)

Won by 35ish if I remember. We were all on for bundles!

Yeah they won pretty easily and it softened the blow of bubbling the final of the £500 at Rendezvous that afternoon :D


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: tikay on January 13, 2013, 01:07:10 PM

No laughing at the idiocy of this question, but.......

Just before the "snap", the QB shouts all sorts of stuff, in Kap's case, it seems to me, in a deep husky voice. Are those coded play instructions?

In the Ravens - Broncos game, all I kept hearing was "hurry hurry hurry". Who was saying that, & why?

 


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on January 13, 2013, 01:13:52 PM
It's a cadence.  Coded language to change the play, and to tell the centre when to snap the ball.  A much more complicated variant of the line out codes used in Rugby Union.

In hostile grounds, the home fans will try to generate as much noise as possible to disrupt this, which means that teams have to resort to a 'silent count' and the timing/co-ordiination of the members of the O-line becomes more critical.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on January 13, 2013, 01:17:52 PM

No laughing at the idiocy of this question, but.......

Just before the "snap", the QB shouts all sorts of stuff, in Kap's case, it seems to me, in a deep husky voice. Are those coded play instructions?

In the Ravens - Broncos game, all I kept hearing was "hurry hurry hurry". Who was saying that, & why?

 

It is a signal to which of the various plays they're going to make from their big playbook. Some of the signals will be to change the play mid-call, if the QB thinks there's a gap somewhere and a Plan B is a good idea.

You get this in rugby lineouts, too, albeit less flamboyantly.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: tikay on January 13, 2013, 01:22:32 PM

Thanks guys.

Did I mis-hear the repeated "hurry hurry hurry" in the Ravens Broncos game?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on January 13, 2013, 01:25:24 PM
in its basic form it is so the D are not sure when you are going to snap it. When the play clock is running down, if you get to 1 second left then the D know you are going to snap it there. So ideally you want to snap it prior to that to keep them guessing. The number they shout out are along the lines of the QB will call the play in the huddle and then give a number to snap the ball on....say it is 13. To keep the D guessing and instead of just shouting 'snap', he then shouts out a set of numbers which they could snap the ball on, so if the number is 13 he might  go 24...36....15.13 and when he gets to 13 the players on O know that's the snap call.

The shouting in the Denver game might have come from the Denver centre. Manning is known for changing plays at the line when he see's what formation the D are set in. Part of the centres job( he is the guy that snaps the ball between his legs is to make the QB aware if the play clock reaches a certain number to make sure he doesn't run out of time. So it could be that when it gets to say 5 seconds the centre will shout hurry for each second down to zero. Not all teams use that tho, they just allow the QB to be aware of the play clock but you saw on a few occasions how Flacco ran out of time or the sideline had to call a timeout so the play clock didn't expire. It could just have been Manning  tho if he was moving players to different positions pre snap.


The ones they shout using words are usually the audibles( changing the play from what he called to a new one now he has seen the D formation) so if he shouts green 23 or red 10, that will be the code name for a play in their play book, John Gruden was known for having a huge amount of plays in his play book when he coached. You would hear things like 'x double grey 34 wide'...I made that one up by the way.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: tikay on January 13, 2013, 01:27:40 PM

Thanks Phil.

Must be the occasional monumental misunderstanding.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on January 13, 2013, 01:41:55 PM
I was at the NFL Forum in Leeds earlier this week (made it onto the TV in last night's show too!) and Mark Brunell (ex-NFL QB) gave a good example of this from his time as backup to Drew Brees in New Orleans.

Quite often you hear QB's shout "Kill, kill" in their cadence.  He said the Saints used this differently to other teams he'd been with prior to then.  In the huddle, Brees would give them 2 plays, instead of one.  When he shouts "Kill, kill" it's an instruction to the offence to switch to the 2nd play called, rather than the first.

Every team will have their own code and, as Phil says, it's designed to confuse the defence.

Here's an example (from painful memory) from last season.  Bills are facing 4th and 1 with a 7 point lead in the final two minutes.  Getting a 1st down here wins them the game.  The play they call here is basically a "no-play".  He's just going to bark out a series of numbers and try to get someone on the Eagles D-line to jump offside (5yd penalty, 1st down).  Everyone in the stadium and on TV knew this, except Juqua Parker!

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d822f90cb/Parker-s-penalty-on-4th-down-seals-Eagles-loss

Edit: They can do this for the entire play clock count.  If it fails, they just call timeout and try something different.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on January 13, 2013, 01:44:17 PM
deffo, the funniest ones are the interceptions when the wr should run one way, the QB throws it where he knows the wr should be breaking but the wr has gone the other way. There is usually a lot of shoulder shrugging and the odd' what play were we runniing' type convo's

There was a strange scenario in Detroit this season with a wr called Titus Young who who it seems might have had some head trouble or some other problems but he was deliberately lining up in the wrong position to try and force the QB to throw the ball to him. The club actually put him on injured reserve for the season and sent him home. It could actually have been that he was ill but it shows how important it is to know all the plays and where you need to be at all times.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on January 13, 2013, 01:52:16 PM
I was at the NFL Forum in Leeds earlier this week (made it onto the TV in last night's show too!) and Mark Brunell (ex-NFL QB) gave a good example of this from his time as backup to Drew Brees in New Orleans.

Quite often you hear QB's shout "Kill, kill" in their cadence.  He said the Saints used this differently to other teams he'd been with prior to then.  In the huddle, Brees would give them 2 plays, instead of one.  When he shouts "Kill, kill" it's an instruction to the offence to switch to the 2nd play called, rather than the first.

Every team will have their own code and, as Phil says, it's designed to confuse the defence.

Here's an example (from painful memory) from last season.  Bills are facing 4th and 1 with a 7 point lead in the final two minutes.  Getting a 1st down here wins them the game.  The play they call here is basically a "no-play".  He's just going to bark out a series of numbers and try to get someone on the Eagles D-line to jump offside (5yd penalty, 1st down).  Everyone in the stadium and on TV knew this, except Juqua Parker!

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d822f90cb/Parker-s-penalty-on-4th-down-seals-Eagles-loss

Edit: They can do this for the entire play clock count.  If it fails, they just call timeout and try something different.

Funnily enough, that's my favourite example.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Horneris on January 13, 2013, 02:33:38 PM
Manning shouts Hurry Hurry Hurry everytime.

A lot of them shout White Eighty or White Nine I think. Andy Luck just screams noises at the top of his lungs.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on January 13, 2013, 07:52:41 PM
Eli shouts "Omaha, omaha"

Sounds like he's calling lil Dave and the boys round his place for a spot of 6 card action.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on January 13, 2013, 08:02:24 PM
How good is Reinbold?

the best Sky studio guest by far

pregnant squirrels, red headed stepchildren, muscled hamsters

top stuff, and really good on the Xs and 0s too


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on January 13, 2013, 08:04:19 PM
How good is Reinbold?

the best Sky studio guest by far

pregnant squirrels, red headed stepchildren, muscled hamsters

top stuff, and really good on the Xs and 0s too

Does he remind anyone else of another sky pundit?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on January 13, 2013, 08:13:43 PM
How good is Reinbold?

the best Sky studio guest by far

pregnant squirrels, red headed stepchildren, muscled hamsters

top stuff, and really good on the Xs and 0s too

I really like listening to him too.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Newportlad on January 13, 2013, 08:31:27 PM
How good is Reinbold?

the best Sky studio guest by far

pregnant squirrels, red headed stepchildren, muscled hamsters

top stuff, and really good on the Xs and 0s too

I really like listening to him too.

+1 Far and away the best analyst.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on January 13, 2013, 08:40:11 PM
How good is Reinbold?

the best Sky studio guest by far

pregnant squirrels, red headed stepchildren, muscled hamsters

top stuff, and really good on the Xs and 0s too

He did a really good explanation of the option read at the forum on Wednesday.

At the end, he practically had tears in his eyes as he was speaking, such was his passion for the game.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on January 13, 2013, 08:41:26 PM
How good is Reinbold?

the best Sky studio guest by far

pregnant squirrels, red headed stepchildren, muscled hamsters

top stuff, and really good on the Xs and 0s too

He did a really good explanation of the option read at the forum on Wednesday.

At the end, he practically had tears in his eyes as he was speaking, such was his passion for the game.

any hints as to how you actually defend the read=option from RG3, Kaep and the rest, please send to Valley Ranch, Dallas.

ta


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on January 13, 2013, 08:48:36 PM
ps Sheriff

Eagles interviewd Brian Billick for Head Coach this week!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on January 13, 2013, 08:49:29 PM
How good is Reinbold?

the best Sky studio guest by far

pregnant squirrels, red headed stepchildren, muscled hamsters

top stuff, and really good on the Xs and 0s too

He did a really good explanation of the option read at the forum on Wednesday.

At the end, he practically had tears in his eyes as he was speaking, such was his passion for the game.

any hints as to how you actually defend the read=option from RG3, Kaep and the rest, please send to Valley Ranch, Dallas.

ta

That's the beauty of it, as explained.  In JB's words, "whichever way the D-End decides to go will be the wrong one!"


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on January 13, 2013, 08:51:50 PM
How good is Reinbold?

the best Sky studio guest by far

pregnant squirrels, red headed stepchildren, muscled hamsters

top stuff, and really good on the Xs and 0s too

He did a really good explanation of the option read at the forum on Wednesday.

At the end, he practically had tears in his eyes as he was speaking, such was his passion for the game.

any hints as to how you actually defend the read=option from RG3, Kaep and the rest, please send to Valley Ranch, Dallas.

ta

I must admit when Vick had his stellar season at Philly I thought he was impossible to stop.

But they did the next season.

The defenses will work it out.

Hopefully won't include dirty hits on the QBs knees, because this new wave of player is breathtakingly exciting.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on January 13, 2013, 08:52:11 PM
ps Sheriff

Eagles interviewd Brian Billick for Head Coach this week!

If we're going for a coach-turned TV pundit then I'd prefer the youth of Gruden over Billick.

They're getting through so many interview candidates that I'm expecting a call sometime next week.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on January 13, 2013, 08:53:17 PM
ps Sheriff

Eagles interviewd Brian Billick for Head Coach this week!

If we're going for a coach-turned TV pundit then I'd prefer the youth of Gruden over Billick.

They're getting through so many interview candidates that I'm expecting a call sometime next week.

we appointed a 72 year old DC fired from USC by his son this year

Just stick a red nose and a clown wig on me, and I am ready to go too


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on January 13, 2013, 09:09:47 PM
ps Sheriff

Eagles interviewd Brian Billick for Head Coach this week!

If we're going for a coach-turned TV pundit then I'd prefer the youth of Gruden over Billick.

They're getting through so many interview candidates that I'm expecting a call sometime next week.

we appointed a 72 year old DC fired from USC by his son this year

Just stick a red nose and a clown wig on me, and I am ready to go too

Jets still have Rex Ryan

Everything in context, eh?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: AndrewT on January 13, 2013, 09:13:54 PM
Atlanta Lolcans


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: AndrewT on January 13, 2013, 09:20:46 PM
Atlanta Lolcans

NFL is just so good this weekend - niffleicious.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: LeKnave on January 13, 2013, 10:38:34 PM
He did a really good explanation of the option read at the forum on Wednesday.

giq


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on January 13, 2013, 11:40:49 PM
ps Sheriff

Eagles interviewd Brian Billick for Head Coach this week!

If we're going for a coach-turned TV pundit then I'd prefer the youth of Gruden over Billick.

They're getting through so many interview candidates that I'm expecting a call sometime next week.

we appointed a 72 year old DC fired from USC by his son this year

Just stick a red nose and a clown wig on me, and I am ready to go too

Jets still have Rex Ryan

Everything in context, eh?

Rex Ryan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monte kiffen.

Usc were a complete joke on defence last year, with considerably more talent than most.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on January 16, 2013, 06:34:43 PM
Chip Kelly is the new Eagles head coach, sigh.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8849699/chip-kelly-bolts-oregon-ducks-coach-philadelphia-eagles

My guess is the Eagles made concessions to how much control Kelly gets.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on January 16, 2013, 07:04:14 PM
Chip Kelly is the new Eagles head coach, sigh.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8849699/chip-kelly-bolts-oregon-ducks-coach-philadelphia-eagles

My guess is the Eagles made concessions to how much control Kelly gets.

Excited by this news.

Its going to be brilliant or a total disaster, rather than anything in the middle.

Had been quite uninspired by our interview list overall and had been hoping for Bruce Arians, assuming that Kelly was out of the running.

First question: does this mean we're now keeping Vick?  I suspect his chances of staying just improved dramatically.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on January 16, 2013, 11:39:28 PM
Unbelievable story breaking at the moment.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8851033/story-manti-teo-girlfriend-death-apparently-hoax

Cliffs: Manti Teo linebacker at Notredame, 2nd in the Heisman voting this year girlfriend who allegedly died early in the year doesn't actually exist.



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TL900 on January 17, 2013, 10:02:59 AM
This is brilliant.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=117706131737044&set=vb.385759958172830&type=2&theater


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on January 17, 2013, 10:37:05 AM
Would you post it for us non-Facebookers, please?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TL900 on January 17, 2013, 10:41:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=Zce-QT7MGSE


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on January 17, 2013, 10:49:38 AM
Thanking you


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Royal Flush on January 17, 2013, 03:36:02 PM
Unbelievable story breaking at the moment.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8851033/story-manti-teo-girlfriend-death-apparently-hoax

Cliffs: Manti Teo linebacker at Notredame, 2nd in the Heisman voting this year girlfriend who allegedly died early in the year doesn't actually exist.



Wow, either he is a moron or a fraud, not a great flip


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Royal Flush on January 20, 2013, 11:37:28 PM
49ers backers run ok...


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on January 20, 2013, 11:44:45 PM
49ers backers run ok...

Buzz Killington quote of the week :)

Won't work today, I suspect.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: tikay on January 20, 2013, 11:50:53 PM
49ers backers run ok...

Shush, GO AWAY. 


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Royal Flush on January 21, 2013, 01:07:19 AM
Ha loving the pats pulling out all the tricks today, loving it


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: LeKnave on January 21, 2013, 02:59:40 AM
Follow the Harbaugh brothers to the superbowl.

San Fran v Baltimore. It probably should have been that last season, they will be even stronger this season. (Baltimore more so when Suggs is back).

confirmed delorean owner


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Royal Flush on January 21, 2013, 03:11:24 AM
Just ridic, when the ref starts blocking Brady's 'rushing' attempts its always going to be gg


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: WPIL on January 23, 2013, 10:15:05 PM
Would a coach ever throw a Super Bowl , apparently yes according to Brown and Rice, bullshit


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Skippy on January 27, 2013, 07:17:11 PM
So, the Pro Bowl. Are all those players actually injured or are they just skiving (esp New England)


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on January 27, 2013, 07:19:20 PM
Been a farce for a few years. Harlem Globetrotters games are more heavily contested.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on January 27, 2013, 10:00:03 PM
Found this on youtube.

Worth watching

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXqd388A--I


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: AndrewT on January 31, 2013, 01:45:45 PM
Infographic showing the salaries of the players.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/interactive/2013/jan/30/nfl-salaries-team-position?CMP=twt_gu#baltimore-ravens,san-francisco-49ers

Why is Tom Brady only on $8m, behind people like Alex Smith and Jay Cutler?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on January 31, 2013, 02:00:49 PM
Total salary and comp comprises signing bonuses too

The total of all of these for players has to come in under $120m

Brady will have a multi year deal with quite low basics but a whopping bonus in there somewhere, all smoke and mirrors to get under the salary cap

When you hear "Joe Smith has signed for the Dolphins for $50m over 5 years" always take that with a pinch of salt, as the guaranteed figure is usually way less than that


The art for the good cap guys is

a) structure deals to afford your superstars
b) find bargain players in draft etc that outperform their financial deals


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: The Camel on January 31, 2013, 08:58:39 PM
When a player .. say Albert Haynesworth, signs a huge multi year deal.

Then gets released after 1 year.

Does he get the rest of his contract paid off?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on January 31, 2013, 09:09:45 PM
When a player .. say Albert Haynesworth, signs a huge multi year deal.

Then gets released after 1 year.

Does he get the rest of his contract paid off?

Yes

and it counts against the cap for future years

hence the phrase "cap hell"

bad deals cost, both at the time and in the future


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on January 31, 2013, 09:56:31 PM
When a player .. say Albert Haynesworth, signs a huge multi year deal.

Then gets released after 1 year.

Does he get the rest of his contract paid off?

Yes

and it counts against the cap for future years

hence the phrase "cap hell"

bad deals cost, both at the time and in the future

I thought it only applied to that season's salary?

If he's picked up on waivers, then the new team simply picks up his existing contract, which is the best outcome for the team releasing him.

If he clears waivers and becomes a free agent the team who cut him then have to honour his contract for the remainder of that season, I believe.  If he signs with another team, this is additional income for the player, so you often see them sign contracts for the league minimum as a result as it's a cheap gamble for another team.  I don't think the team releasing him have any subsequent commitment to pay beyond that though.

I think the rules vary slightly in-season compared to the off-season but that's the general priciple, although I may be wrong on this.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on January 31, 2013, 09:59:28 PM
if he is released and not picked up the team is on the hook for the contract to the end. I think. I stand to be corrected

if he goes onto waivers and is picked up by another, the new team has to work out a new deal with him or assume the old contract

Good players can get cut when their contract outweighs their productiveness, as often contracts have big back end increases in....


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on February 01, 2013, 08:24:55 AM
if he is released and not picked up the team is on the hook for the contract to the end. I think. I stand to be corrected

if he goes onto waivers and is picked up by another, the new team has to work out a new deal with him or assume the old contract

Good players can get cut when their contract outweighs their productiveness, as often contracts have big back end increases in....

Take, for example, Michael Vick.  If the Eagles cut him tomorrow and he doesn't join another team, they are not on the hook for the remainder of his 5 year $80m contract as it's not fully guaranteed.  They can cut him relatively cheaply prior to a certain date in the calendar this year, as the big payments generally come in the form of a roster bonus (similarly with Peyton Manning last year with the Colts, which influenced the timing of him being cut).

Most NFL contracts are structured in a similar way I believe, so the team only has to effectively honour the current year in full.

If you are correct, then the only element they do have to honour is presumably the base salary.

It's difficult to find solid info to answer one way or the other.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Royal Flush on February 01, 2013, 09:27:44 AM
Infographic showing the salaries of the players.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/interactive/2013/jan/30/nfl-salaries-team-position?CMP=twt_gu#baltimore-ravens,san-francisco-49ers

Why is Tom Brady only on $8m, behind people like Alex Smith and Jay Cutler?

I know Brady recently took a huge paycut to help the team sign some new talent.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on February 08, 2013, 01:46:47 PM
I know it's a little early to have a concrete view on next season but have the market got it right and New England are favs?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on February 08, 2013, 01:58:26 PM
I know it's a little early to have a concrete view on next season but have the market got it right and New England are favs?

Almost certainly not


I have been doing some work on "strength of schedules" for next season

As we already know who plays who, just not the weekly schedule

Based off opponents W-L records from last year the Chargers have the second easiest schedule. This is a team that has the basic building blocks, has got rid of a stale coach and GM.

Others that might be of interest are (positively) Bills (7th) and the most difficult (negatively) Carolina (32nd)

I am thinking in terms of buying to sell during the season for the Chargers



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: 77dave on February 08, 2013, 02:10:09 PM
Infographic showing the salaries of the players.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/interactive/2013/jan/30/nfl-salaries-team-position?CMP=twt_gu#baltimore-ravens,san-francisco-49ers

Why is Tom Brady only on $8m, behind people like Alex Smith and Jay Cutler?

I know Brady recently took a huge paycut to help the team sign some new talent.

talk of Jake Long moving the Bears in the free agent market. Im sure this is a huge upgrade for the Bears but how will he do over a 5 year contract? is he in decline already?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on February 08, 2013, 02:12:21 PM
injuries have affected him badly over the last two years, but he's only 27

I assume a contract will be structured such that the cap hit will be low in a couple of years time if they have to cut him, but he'll still be paid if it works out


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on February 08, 2013, 02:16:00 PM
I know it's a little early to have a concrete view on next season but have the market got it right and New England are favs?

Almost certainly not


I have been doing some work on "strength of schedules" for next season

As we already know who plays who, just not the weekly schedule

Based off opponents W-L records from last year the Chargers have the second easiest schedule. This is a team that has the basic building blocks, has got rid of a stale coach and GM.

Others that might be of interest are (positively) Bills (7th) and the most difficult (negatively) Carolina (32nd)

I am thinking in terms of buying to sell during the season for the Chargers



yes me too, I made Denver favs and was surprised when I saw the list. I have a book up on BF and Betdaq but just don't want to be the price Denver are in at. I thought Brady looked slower and old at the end of last season. Do you remember the last year Drew Bledsoe played at Dallas when almost every team just blitzed cos he was like a statue, I think Parcell's took him out of a game at half time for his own safety. I wouldn't be amazed if Brady got that kind of blitzing treatment next year, talking about Danny A with all his injury probs in for Welker too.


The strength of schedule might be a little flakey but it's arguable that the best AFC team last year have potentially the softest schedule next year.


2013 Strength of schedule

Team    and opponent record

Carolina Panthers   
.543
138-116-2
Detroit Lions   
.539
138-118-0
New Orleans Saints   
.539
137-117-2
St. Louis Rams   
.539
137-117-2
Baltimore Ravens   
.535
137-119-0
Green Bay Packers   
.533
136-119-1
Arizona Cardinals   
.520
131-121-4
Miami Dolphins   
.520
133-123-0
San Francisco 49ers   
.520
132-122-2
Minnesota Vikings   
.516
132-124-0
Seattle Seahawks   
.516
130-122-4
Cincinnati Bengals   
.508
130-126-0
Jacksonville Jaguars   
.508
129-125-2
New England Patriots   
.508
130-126-0
Atlanta Falcons   
.504
128-126-0
Chicago Bears   
.502
128-127-1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers   
.500
127-127-2
Washington Redskins   
.498
127-128-1
New York Jets   
.496
127-129-0
Philadelphia Eagles   
.496
127-129-0
Cleveland Browns   
.492
126-130-0
Pittsburgh Steelers   
.496
126-130-0
Tennessee Titans   
.488
124-130-2
New York Giants   
.480
123-133-0
Dallas Cowboys   
.480
121-134-1
Buffalo Bills   
.473
121-135-0
Houston Texans   
.473
120-134-2
Kansas City Chiefs   
.473
121-135-0
Oakland Raiders   
.469
120-136-0
Indianapolis Colts   
.461
117-137-2
San Diego Chargers   
.457
117-139-0
Denver Broncos   
.430
110-146-0


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: 77dave on February 08, 2013, 02:18:38 PM
injuries have affected him badly over the last two years, but he's only 27

I assume a contract will be structured such that the cap hit will be low in a couple of years time if they have to cut him, but he'll still be paid if it works out

will be 28 by the time the season starts.

Long has missed only two games in five NFL seasons. He was chosen a Pro Bowl starter each of the past three years and was a front-runner to be selected this year.

Even so, Long has become a less dominant blocker as his injuries accumulate. He was slowed by an ankle injury as a rookie and hurt his shoulder in 2010. Last year he battled back trouble, then missed the final game with a torn right biceps. He missed practice time this season because of a right knee injury.

Will be expensive, must be better value around the league.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Royal Flush on February 08, 2013, 06:08:27 PM
Anyone who doesn't think the pats should be faves can have any team vs them in a last longer with me


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on February 08, 2013, 06:26:40 PM
Anyone who doesn't think the pats should be faves can have any team vs them in a last longer with me

I will take the 49ers for a monkey with proviso both must make playoffs


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Royal Flush on February 08, 2013, 06:30:09 PM
Anyone who doesn't think the pats should be faves can have any team vs them in a last longer with me

I will take the 49ers for a monkey with proviso both must make playoffs

You can have the 49ers but its not conditional i'm afraid, if both fail to make the playoffs then the bet would be a wash


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on February 08, 2013, 09:51:04 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hcdaAfs9iY

Apologies if you've all seen all these before. Made me smile.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Evilpengwinz on February 24, 2013, 04:08:52 PM
Bump

NFL combine is being streamed on NFL.com for those who are interested - QBs, WRs and RBs today.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on February 26, 2013, 03:25:00 PM
Brady deal seems to be a big boost to the Pats


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: MahoganyVic on February 26, 2013, 06:30:09 PM
Is Brady signing on for such a low salary because it gives him a better chance of winning and he doesnt need/care any more money? 


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on February 26, 2013, 06:33:06 PM
Yes roughly that it seems, by taking less than he is worth he gives the team more cap room to upgrade in other areas and gives them a better chance of winning


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on February 26, 2013, 06:33:59 PM
He wants his team to win

His deal gives the team 13m back against the cap each of the next two years and allows them to be major players in free agency

ALL the money in his deal is guaranteed, and takes him through to age 40

His combined income for himself and Giselle allows him to be "generous"


Quite interesting really, half the comments suggests he's a selfless team player, half saying he's got a over-generous raise!

In that respect, probably a prettygood deal for him and the team


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on February 27, 2013, 08:08:11 AM
http://profootballmock.com/giants-eagles-redskins-call-for-tony-romo-contract-extension/


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on February 27, 2013, 05:10:50 PM
Chiefs trade for the 49ers for Alex Smith

Chiefs now take best player available in the draft with the first pick and hope to turn round quickly, albeit Alex Smith is a bus driver QB rather than a real marquee talent 


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on February 27, 2013, 06:24:34 PM
It is for a second round pick

the 49ers now have picks 31,34 and 61 in a draft with no superstars and a lot of depth

They also have 13 picks for this draft, so can move around in trades to get the player(s) they want

Already with a SuperBowl roster, and no salary cap trouble (CKaep, Aldon Smith both in rookie deals etc), they are set up in great shape to win for a few years yet


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on February 27, 2013, 07:03:59 PM
Looks a good deal for Kansas


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on March 11, 2013, 08:26:40 PM
Seahawks get Percy Harvin from Minn for 3 draft picks including a 1

49ers trade for Boldin from Ravens for a 6th. Boldin refused to take a pay cut at the Ravens, and the low price reflects their only alternative to cutting him


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on March 13, 2013, 06:53:42 PM
The agent of Reggie Bush continues to do amazing work, Lions taken him to not be a running back for them on a 4 year deal.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: bobby1 on March 14, 2013, 01:32:54 AM
Pats lose Wes Welker to Denver and do replace him with Danny Amendola


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: redarmi on March 14, 2013, 04:31:37 AM
Anyone who doesn't think the pats should be faves can have any team vs them in a last longer with me

I will take the 49ers for a monkey with proviso both must make playoffs

You can have the 49ers but its not conditional i'm afraid, if both fail to make the playoffs then the bet would be a wash

I have just noticed this.....still wanna do it?  Understand if not because of trades but feel bad I didn't respond.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on March 15, 2013, 12:06:41 AM
more interesting free agency moves

Welker to the Broncos. Combining with Thomas and Decker, Manning has a lot of targets

S Jackson to the Falcons. Jackson has spent his career at the Rams having to run through two in the box safeties because the Rams had no deep threats. He now goes to Ryan/White/Julio Jones where teams have to respect the recievers. Should be a monster move for Jackson

Conor Barwin to the Eagles. re-tooling that defense

Ed Reed almost to the Texans, it seems

Jake Long medical with the Rams

49ers looking at Charles Woodson, released by Packers and Asomugha, who the Eagles released for $ reasons

Interesting time of the year



Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on March 15, 2013, 12:09:10 AM
Seems to me Broncos do best out of that. Has Welker had injuries?


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: TightEnd on March 15, 2013, 12:22:51 AM
Seems to me Broncos do best out of that. Has Welker had injuries?

yes, but its more about what he costs

Brady was reported to be upset he wasn't kept, but Belicheck is pretty ruthless about value versus production especially for older players


The Pats replaced him with Danny Amendola, a bit more of a down field threat but not quite the possession receiver Welker has been


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Longy on April 25, 2013, 12:22:41 AM
Draft day today!

How do we see it going? The lack of qbs this year is noticeable, only geno smith to go in the 1st round (even that is a doubt)

Consensus seems to be joeckel, Jordan and fisher then who knows what he eagles do!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on April 28, 2013, 08:49:58 PM
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/american-football/22328306

The British discus thrower has been picked up by the 49ers.

Turned down Oxford University. I like this guy.

49ers head coach Jim Harbaugh said: "He's just an Adonis. Just a great physical specimen of a man. Our creator created a beautiful man."


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: tikay on April 28, 2013, 08:53:34 PM
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/american-football/22328306

The British discus thrower has been picked up by the 49ers.

Turned down Oxford University. I like this guy.

49ers head coach Jim Harbaugh said: "He's just an Adonis. Just a great physical specimen of a man. Our creator created a beautiful man."

The same is often said of me.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on April 28, 2013, 08:57:06 PM
Could you imagine Sir Alex saying that?!


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: AndrewT on April 28, 2013, 09:14:47 PM
Could you imagine Sir Alex saying that?!

He did once say something similar about Dion Dublin.


Title: Re: NFL 2012/13 General Discussion and Betting Thread
Post by: Tal on April 28, 2013, 09:42:27 PM
Could you imagine Sir Alex saying that?!

He did once say something similar about Dion Dublin.

Well we've all done that.