Squeeze play

[Graham C]

This learning centre is good, I can post my should-know-by-now shit here and it's ok

For example,

I'm faily low stack with about 12 big blinds at 150/300.  Folds to the cut off who limps as does the button.  I'm in the small blind with pocket 3's.  The two limpers have huge stacks compared to me (10k+).

Should I shove here?

[tikay]

This learning centre is good, I can post my should-know-by-now shit here and it's ok

For example,

I'm faily low stack with about 12 big blinds at 150/300.  Folds to the cut off who limps as does the button.  I'm in the small blind with pocket 3's.  The two limpers have huge stacks compared to me (10k+).

Should I shove here?

Absolutely not. Fold quickly.

[Longy]

This learning centre is good, I can post my should-know-by-now shit here and it's ok

For example,

I'm faily low stack with about 12 big blinds at 150/300.  Folds to the cut off who limps as does the button.  I'm in the small blind with pocket 3's.  The two limpers have huge stacks compared to me (10k+).

Should I shove here?

Hmmm this is probably close with 3's here, but i would shove in an mtt especially if there is antes andthe co & btn have not shown a propensity to call stupid light.

Shove>Call>>>>> Fold imo

[gatso]

why did you post on the lc? I can't be rude and sarcy now. wanted to post

[ ] this is a squeeze play

but I'm probs not allowed to

a squeeze play (pre flop) is when we go over the top of a raise and 1 or more calls, ideally with the original raiser being loose. same thing on later streets but with a bet and call(s).



in the situation in the op I'm not shoving this. you've got 2 big stacks already in and the BB still to act, not a great spot and 12BB is not dessperate enough

[Graham C]

why did you post on the lc? I can't be rude and sarcy now. wanted to post

100% the reason

thanks for the replies

[tikay]

why did you post on the lc? I can't be rude and sarcy now. wanted to post

[ ] this is a squeeze play

but I'm probs not allowed to

a squeeze play (pre flop) is when we go over the top of a raise and 1 or more calls, ideally with the original raiser being loose. same thing on later streets but with a bet and call(s).



in the situation in the op I'm not shoving this. you've got 2 big stacks already in and the BB still to act, not a great spot and 12BB is not dessperate enough

Agreed, except amend "not desperate enough", to "not even desperate, this is cruise-mode stack".

And add, at this juncture of a Tourney, with this stack, get your money in first. With anything.

If ONE of the limpers calls (& we are assuming the BB does not wake up with a big hand), then the second limper is almost certain to come along, as well. How do you like your pocket threes now, facing 4 overs minimum, possibly 1 or even 2 overpairs? Not much.

There, I've said it. Now the Upstarts can flame me, instead of you. Neat, eh?

[Graham C]

Cheers.  I usually do wait to get in first but whilst I was in ok shape technically, I was a long way behind everyone else with the average being around 8k.   I seem to get low in the mid stages of comps and was just wondering if I should be looking to do something in these situations as perhaps I was missing an opportunity.   

I just limped in the end, then folded when I obviously missed my set. 

[TheChipPrince]

Shove>Call>>>>> Fold imo

This.

[GreekStein]

DEF shove!

[tikay]

Cheers.  I usually do wait to get in first but whilst I was in ok shape technically, I was a long way behind everyone else with the average being around 8k.   I seem to get low in the mid stages of comps and was just wondering if I should be looking to do something in these situations as perhaps I was missing an opportunity.   

I just limped in the end, then folded when I obviously missed my set. 

So what? Don't be fixated by the bigger stacks. Be lazy. Let them do the work, & bust each other. You can find a zillion better spots than this.

I'm talking, of course, about Live Play, not Online.

[LeKnave]

im shoving here with my hand in the air.

If ONE of the limpers calls (& we are assuming the BB does not wake up with a big hand), then the second limper is almost certain to come along, as well.

this isnt true, they only have 30x stacks and cant just peel off a 12x light.

[boldie]

im shoving here with my hand in the air.

If ONE of the limpers calls (& we are assuming the BB does not wake up with a big hand), then the second limper is almost certain to come along, as well.

this isnt true, they only have 30x stacks and cant just peel off a 12x light.

this. People still need to find some sort of hand to call you with. My chips are in.

[Graham C]

Hmmm, so I am possibly missing a trick.

[Longy]

Cheers.  I usually do wait to get in first but whilst I was in ok shape technically, I was a long way behind everyone else with the average being around 8k.   I seem to get low in the mid stages of comps and was just wondering if I should be looking to do something in these situations as perhaps I was missing an opportunity.   

I just limped in the end, then folded when I obviously missed my set. 

So what? Don't be fixated by the bigger stacks. Be lazy. Let them do the work, & bust each other. You can find a zillion better spots than this.

I'm talking, of course, about Live Play, not Online.

Why?

I know you and I are going to fundamentally disagree on how much wriggle room there is with a 12bb stack. If we shove we are rarely going to get two calls so the 4 overs arguement is a bit pointless, even if we do get called by 4 overs we are probably getting a great price to triple through anyway.

I haven't done the maths but i would be surprised if folding is better than shoving, we should be looking at whether this is +ev or not. Players always over estimate their edge further down the line, you gain your edge by making the correct decision by getting spots like this right.

I can't see how folding is better than calling we are getting very nice price to set mine 33 as long as the bb doesn't raise a lot in this spot.

[tikay]

im shoving here with my hand in the air.

If ONE of the limpers calls (& we are assuming the BB does not wake up with a big hand), then the second limper is almost certain to come along, as well.

this isnt true, they only have 30x stacks and cant just peel off a 12x light.

this. People still need to find some sort of hand to call you with. My chips are in.

...well, if they are half-bright, they KNOW your Range here is enormous, &, after all, as the Thread Title suggests, this might look like a squeeze, to pick up 1,050 of dead money. (25% of our stack).

Pop to the loo, go have a fag, order a cup of tea & a bacon sarny, no need to be panicking yet awhile.