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« Reply #7950 on: July 16, 2016, 03:10:03 AM »

Sounds like you had a great time and a profitable time in Vegas. Congrats on the 60k score
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« Reply #7951 on: July 16, 2016, 01:20:20 PM »

In middle of nightmare journey back from Vegas. Current layover in London and remembered something pretty funny from the $25k

I was at a pretty tough table so wasn't really trying to play exploitative poker except against one guy. I always use the poker clock to control my frequencies. So if I'm going to 3bet AK 80% of the time I'll just check the seconds on the clock and go based on that. Ike does exactly the same thing I think?

He limps BVB, last time he checked the clock and raised. I look down at 93o which was a 100% check mentally but for balance checked the clock and checked.

Flop JT7xxh, he checks I check
Turn JT78xxhh, he checks the clock and checks, I bet, he calls
River JT78Axxhhh, he checks.

Now here's the next interesting thing. This whole tournament is 30 second shot clock, you have 3 extra time banks to use. I know Ike is very balanced in these spots and will c/r bluff certain hands, c/r for value Ofc and whilst I had to make my mind up whether to bet or not and then how much to bet I checked the clock and i had taken 20 seconds. I didn't want to use my time bank up in this spot so decided it's not a bad mistake to make when closing the action rather than potentially making a mistake opening the action.

I show down the straight, Ike has a straight too, but he seems confused why I didn't bet. Talal mentions that this pot was rather small for our hands and Ike says some sarcastic comment about how he "obviously can't call anything but a flush"

I felt a little silly but didn't give a fuck really haha.
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« Reply #7952 on: July 16, 2016, 01:40:48 PM »

That clock thing is taken from Harrington on Holdem.

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« Reply #7953 on: July 18, 2016, 06:33:07 AM »

Came back and played shortish session tonight online. Pure bubbled $2.6k on Party, bubbled the $1k PLO, close to bubbled the $1k NL, managed to battle through though, had 2 big stacks. Deep in both 888 and Party main events. Lost KK v AK for all the chips with 50 left in the Party comp, but battled on through and won the 888 Megadeep for $20k+. Was a satisfying win, played pretty great 1 tabling for 5+ hours.

Feels good to be back.

Will most likely play Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday this week.
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« Reply #7954 on: July 19, 2016, 12:52:31 PM »

Congrats Patrick, I wish I had your work ethic, you deserve everything you get!
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« Reply #7955 on: July 20, 2016, 06:34:40 AM »

Thanks Tom. Hope everything is good with you and the baby. Maybe we can catch up next time I'm in England? Would be nice.


Choosing who you live with as a poker player is really important and probably something most people don't get right. Let's say that average career of a online poker player is 5 years. If you commit to living with somebody for 1 year on a long contract then you're commiting to living with them for 20% of your career. For an industry where you really need to be happy at home and feel comfortable and relaxed it can be a huge error. Not only may you not like the guy or he disturbs your sleeping or spoils the environment that you live and work in but you can also be missing out on other people, soaking other knowledge, improving from other people and maximizing your potentially by learning from different people.

I think GTO living arrangements for a poker player is actually to live by yourself. Generally if you're living in a 2 or 3 bedroom place with a poker player they will be going in and out at different times of the day. Maybe they party on Saturday night, slam the door too loud and you wake up in the middle of the night and can't get back to sleep and then your Sunday grind is ruined. Maybe you're in a great sleeping rhythm and then they go out for Salsa night in Wednesday and wake you at 4am and then it's fucked again. The real world lives for the weekend, generally they all share an identical rhythm throughout the week give or take 30 minutes extra in the morning and then on the weekend all hell goes on but that's expected and understood. Monday might be tough but everything is back to normal by Tuesday. With poker the one thing we really struggle to attain (I'm writing this at 6am having woken up at 4am, lol jet lag) is a routine. It's something so simple. We quit college, school, 9-5 so we don't need to have a routine. But once we are in this profession it's actually the one thing we strive for. We procrastinate in bed watching videos and reading Wikipedia and then 3 hours later ask ourselves why didn't I just sleep?

I always tell myself "it's ok, we will start again on Monday, a clean slate" I often do (I often don't aswell!) but by the next Monday usually something has came in the way to stop this rhythm. Generally living with another poker player is the most obvious reason that it does go downhill.

Another bad thing about living with poker players is you have two options. 1) live with somebody you don't really know, 2) live with somebody you know pretty well.

1- this is a potential problem for so many different and obvious reasons. Especially when you work where you live it becomes very easy to feel unhappy because of the way somebody else is. You washed all the dishes and then this mfker dirtied them? Does he have to have his music on so loud?! How can he have his pokerstars alert buttons on when I'm trying to concentrate too?! So many small and trivial things hat anybody else would think we're irrelevant but can add up.

2- this is a potential bigger problem than 1. The longer you spend with somebody the easier it is to see the worse of them. If you meet somebody 2x a week for dinner and have a great relationship then it doesn't mean you will just live together and be best of friends. Small things will start to grate on you. Once the smaller things grate on you you start to nitpick in things that don't need nitpicking. Generally things will go great at first and then slowly deteriorate over time. If you have a really good friendship with somebody then I'd advise not risking it by living together. It's not because either of you are bad people but it can just make things sour between you and regret the whole thing.


Of course there are so many great things about living with somebody who is a very good friend. I just think personally living with somebody for 1 year or 6 months that you haven't lived with before is a really dangerous thing for a poker player. If the last 4 months of a 6 month contract really effect your ability to work and maximise your potential then maybe that's 10% of your career that you've really fucked up.

I have had on the whole great living arrangements. I've lived by myself, I've lived as a two, I've lived as a three. I think generally living in bigger groups is easier. It means you can have your own space for longer without feeling a need to socialize. It means you're seeing different and fresher faces every day and it means there's different people to learn from and to motivate. This summer I had a really great house with similar poeple, all with similar motivations and all genuinely hoping for the others to do well. That's also something that happens when you live with somebody for so long in a game controlled by variance. If you are losing and losing and losing and your friend is playing similarity or worse to you and is binking and binking and binking it's really easy to get sour, easy to get jealous and easy to funk for the deuce when your friend gets it all in pre with 80 left in the million with aces vs deuces. Previously I used to actually really struggle with this, I thought I was really a bad person for wanting my friends to sometimes lose. Of course I didn't really want them to lose, but I was just jealous of their success whilst I was failing. i read a lot about it and it's a normal expression to feel,  it's just you not being able to handle your negative emotions so well. I haven't felt this way in a long time, I know deep down somewhere it's still there though and could creep back at any time.

Not sure what the point of this post is, I just started writing and speaking what is very likely a lot of nonsense. I just think that you can value studying, grinding, eating well, working out, meditating etc but imo the most important thing you can do as a poker player is have a good, healthy living arrangement that's easy to get out of if things aren't as they initially seemed.
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« Reply #7956 on: July 20, 2016, 11:18:04 PM »

In my small skype chat of people from varied countries, instead of saying "gl" and "well done nice score" we are always "WTF U DONT DESERVE TO BE FTING THE BIG 55 U HUGE POS!!!" and "HOPE U GET 9TH!" or "NEVER KNOWN SUCH A LUCKY SUNRUNNER IN ALL MY LIFE UR SHIT MATE"...you get the picture. It's nice. no one leaves  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #7957 on: July 20, 2016, 11:34:04 PM »

Thanks Tom. Hope everything is good with you and the baby. Maybe we can catch up next time I'm in England? Would be nice.


Choosing who you live with as a poker player is really important and probably something most people don't get right. Let's say that average career of a online poker player is 5 years. If you commit to living with somebody for 1 year on a long contract then you're commiting to living with them for 20% of your career. For an industry where you really need to be happy at home and feel comfortable and relaxed it can be a huge error. Not only may you not like the guy or he disturbs your sleeping or spoils the environment that you live and work in but you can also be missing out on other people, soaking other knowledge, improving from other people and maximizing your potentially by learning from different people.

I think GTO living arrangements for a poker player is actually to live by yourself. Generally if you're living in a 2 or 3 bedroom place with a poker player they will be going in and out at different times of the day. Maybe they party on Saturday night, slam the door too loud and you wake up in the middle of the night and can't get back to sleep and then your Sunday grind is ruined. Maybe you're in a great sleeping rhythm and then they go out for Salsa night in Wednesday and wake you at 4am and then it's fucked again. The real world lives for the weekend, generally they all share an identical rhythm throughout the week give or take 30 minutes extra in the morning and then on the weekend all hell goes on but that's expected and understood. Monday might be tough but everything is back to normal by Tuesday. With poker the one thing we really struggle to attain (I'm writing this at 6am having woken up at 4am, lol jet lag) is a routine. It's something so simple. We quit college, school, 9-5 so we don't need to have a routine. But once we are in this profession it's actually the one thing we strive for. We procrastinate in bed watching videos and reading Wikipedia and then 3 hours later ask ourselves why didn't I just sleep?

I always tell myself "it's ok, we will start again on Monday, a clean slate" I often do (I often don't aswell!) but by the next Monday usually something has came in the way to stop this rhythm. Generally living with another poker player is the most obvious reason that it does go downhill.

Another bad thing about living with poker players is you have two options. 1) live with somebody you don't really know, 2) live with somebody you know pretty well.

1- this is a potential problem for so many different and obvious reasons. Especially when you work where you live it becomes very easy to feel unhappy because of the way somebody else is. You washed all the dishes and then this mfker dirtied them? Does he have to have his music on so loud?! How can he have his pokerstars alert buttons on when I'm trying to concentrate too?! So many small and trivial things hat anybody else would think we're irrelevant but can add up.

2- this is a potential bigger problem than 1. The longer you spend with somebody the easier it is to see the worse of them. If you meet somebody 2x a week for dinner and have a great relationship then it doesn't mean you will just live together and be best of friends. Small things will start to grate on you. Once the smaller things grate on you you start to nitpick in things that don't need nitpicking. Generally things will go great at first and then slowly deteriorate over time. If you have a really good friendship with somebody then I'd advise not risking it by living together. It's not because either of you are bad people but it can just make things sour between you and regret the whole thing.


Of course there are so many great things about living with somebody who is a very good friend. I just think personally living with somebody for 1 year or 6 months that you haven't lived with before is a really dangerous thing for a poker player. If the last 4 months of a 6 month contract really effect your ability to work and maximise your potential then maybe that's 10% of your career that you've really fucked up.

I have had on the whole great living arrangements. I've lived by myself, I've lived as a two, I've lived as a three. I think generally living in bigger groups is easier. It means you can have your own space for longer without feeling a need to socialize. It means you're seeing different and fresher faces every day and it means there's different people to learn from and to motivate. This summer I had a really great house with similar poeple, all with similar motivations and all genuinely hoping for the others to do well. That's also something that happens when you live with somebody for so long in a game controlled by variance. If you are losing and losing and losing and your friend is playing similarity or worse to you and is binking and binking and binking it's really easy to get sour, easy to get jealous and easy to funk for the deuce when your friend gets it all in pre with 80 left in the million with aces vs deuces. Previously I used to actually really struggle with this, I thought I was really a bad person for wanting my friends to sometimes lose. Of course I didn't really want them to lose, but I was just jealous of their success whilst I was failing. i read a lot about it and it's a normal expression to feel,  it's just you not being able to handle your negative emotions so well. I haven't felt this way in a long time, I know deep down somewhere it's still there though and could creep back at any time.

Not sure what the point of this post is, I just started writing and speaking what is very likely a lot of nonsense. I just think that you can value studying, grinding, eating well, working out, meditating etc but imo the most important thing you can do as a poker player is have a good, healthy living arrangement that's easy to get out of if things aren't as they initially seemed.

Great post.  Massively under estimated by most people who are/think they could be a long term professional gambler working online from home full time.  It is a huge issue which most don't consider.  They also don't consider the negative impact all the things you list have on their performance (physically and mentally) and usually just blame it on variance.

In the last 12 years i have lived with 2 long term girlfriends, shared a house with close male friend(s) who are both pro gamblers and/or have normal careers and lived alone so i understand all the issues you talk about and the positives and negatives of each.  I would definitely say living alone (or sharing but having a totally dedicated quiet study room for work with zero distractions) is essential for maximum performance.
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« Reply #7958 on: July 21, 2016, 12:58:52 AM »

I've found that living with people who don't have anything to do with gambling is actually a massive help. Being able to leave the computer/come home from the casino to people who don't really have a clue about poker can really help to switch off, as opposed to the year I spent living with two (fantastic) players, where most of what we talked about was poker. Would never, ever do that again.
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« Reply #7959 on: July 21, 2016, 02:19:08 AM »

Lifes good thanks mate and that sounds good, lemme know when your about Smiley
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« Reply #7960 on: July 24, 2016, 11:07:43 PM »

Do you think Fedor will stick to his "walking away from poker" position?
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« Reply #7961 on: July 25, 2016, 02:01:20 AM »

Do you think Fedor will stick to his "walking away from poker" position?

Yeah, I'm probably the only one who does think so but he owned 25% of my company and he was doing little work and getting v good dividends and he had to leave because he wanted to get out of poker asap. I spoke to him a while ago and recently about exact business models he's looking into doing and helping with some research.

He will still come and win a bunch of high rollers, but the life of a proper poker pro is long gone for him i think.
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« Reply #7962 on: July 25, 2016, 05:03:18 AM »

Eventually didnt play tournaments all week, my body clock from jet lag was just way way too fucked. Managed to play a full session today though.

It was kind of weird session, was 1/13 in the $2.6k on Party but basically bubbled, lost 2 crucial pot each for 3x+ average both times. I slammed my desk for the first time in a long time Cheesy

Bubbled an EPT Package in a hand where villain opened bob (3 handed) 3x, i peedl qts bb. flop QJ2ss, he check call, turn 4, he check call, river QJ24T he donk shoves, I mean I obviously have to call, but he had AK and that was that.

Came 14th in the $1k on Stars AK<JJ for 500k in std spot.

Managed to win the Crocodile on 888 for $12.6k so wte, pretty happy I guess.

Tomorrow I have to do a lot of stuff including going on the Thinking Poker podcast, fixing the new Mac I bought and some last minute shopping. Tuesday I'm taking my parents to Mallorca until Sunday (obv Cheesy) should be nice to relax, can't play from Spain ofc so wont even be on the mind.
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« Reply #7963 on: July 26, 2016, 06:02:50 AM »

Monday morning was nice, woke up to horse coming 3rd in the milly and horse 2nd in FPS for around $200k

On my way to Mallorca now, back on Sunday for Ze grind.
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« Reply #7964 on: July 27, 2016, 02:50:13 PM »

Do you think Fedor will stick to his "walking away from poker" position?

Yeah, I'm probably the only one who does think so but he owned 25% of my company and he was doing little work and getting v good dividends and he had to leave because he wanted to get out of poker asap. I spoke to him a while ago and recently about exact business models he's looking into doing and helping with some research.

He will still come and win a bunch of high rollers, but the life of a proper poker pro is long gone for him i think.

smart kid, yeah he's obviously sick but even the best player can have multi-million dollar DS in the games he wants to be playing, no idea how much money he has but im confidently guessing its a more than a few million pounds, if you're bright and have resources poker really doesn't add up as a risk -> reward business.

Kinda get the impression from him his decision is more motivated by personal enjoyment than financial security or risk management thought, which is fair enough.

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