Tips for Tikay

[TightEnd]

BFSB have gone top price 22/1 McIlroy for the open

20 on betfair in size

keen not to miss more of these offers, will go down as a thread bet

The Open Championship 2014

    22/1
    £442.50
    Rory McIlroy
    The Open Winner - 8 Places
    £15 EW

    Bet Ref: O/0140260/0000061

[doubleup]

Seems to me that players going out late on Friday will have the best of the weather conditions on that day.  Looking at the Top Aus market Brett Rumford is the only Oz out late and the big two are out early.  He is admittedly in pretty bad form but has suddenly find his game before.  On top of this Btfr Sports book are way ool on price.  Suggest a speculative £2 ew Brett Rumford Top Aus @ 66-1.

thats easy


The Open Championship 2014

    66/1
    £134.00
    Brett Rumford
    Top Australian

    Bet Ref: O/0140260/0000060




by the by, isn't Adam Scott (draw, weather aside) someone we should be onside with this week?

or is it priced in that he'll be thereabouts?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/golf/article-2693922/Adam-Scott-guns-win-The-Open-Hoylake-make-Lytham-capitulation.html

I've just decided to hang my hat with the early thu late fri crew so have gone for Dustin, Sergio, Rickie, and GMac with a little on BFX for Mahan.

There might be some weather angles on Thursday night.

[TightEnd]

BigAdz

Miguel Angel Jimenez
The Open Winner - 8 Places
£10 EW 90-1

Bet Ref: O/0140260/0000062

[JaffaCake]

I dont see how west ham have the players or the coach to achieve top 10. When bolton made top 10 under allardyce they had a couple of worldies in the sqaud. Valencia would be a good signing but south american players can take some settling (generalisation of course). Carrol would need to be fit all season too and that aint likely. I do think they will have a better season though than last. There are 8 teams nailed on for the top 8 places so it only leaves room for two of the rest to make top 10. I would prefer the chances of at least 4 of them ahead of thee ammers. 5/2 seems about right to me. Just my opinion of course.

Who are nailed on for a top 8 spot? There are at least three spots totally up for grabs IMO.   I put up stoke at 13/5 earlier in the summer at bwin. For similar reasons I would imagine west ham have a similar chance now given the summer signings and would second the bet at the same price as stoke.

Sorry, my bad. Its 7 from 7 not 8 as i said so yes it leaves 3 spots IMO. In no particular order.

Man c
Man u
Chelsea
Liverpool
Arsenal
Spurs
Everton
8
9
10

For me, those 3 spots could be taken by any one from

Palace
Stoke
Hammers
QPR
Leicester
Sunderland

We could always be surprised by newcastle too.

I would deffo take stoke over west ham at the same price for top ten. How would that match bet be priced?

Maybe its closer than i first thought so apologies. Still would want better than 5/2 west ham top 10.

Surely Newcastle are better than most/all of that rabble! How depressing, ambition to get into the group of palace, leicester, qpr and tikays mackems. Agree three spots in top 10 up for grabs, expect newcastle, west ham, stoke to fill them personally

[Chompy]

Just looking a bit closer.  A lot of experience has left that Birmingham squad (presumably because they can't pay wages)

Ambrose, Zigic, Burke, Elliot, Mullins all gone

So far they have replaced them with Cotterill from Donny, Donaldson from Brentford and Edgar from Burnely.  They have alos picked up Gleeson from MKD after his contract expired (seem to remember him doing quite well in L1)

However all in all, doesn't look like they'll be spending much on wages any time soon.  Surprised to see them as only 6th favourite for the drop.  How Huddersfield are ranked more likely to go down is beyond me.

Burke has been a standout the twice I've seen them. Gleeson has had injury problems and isn't what he was by all accounts.

[Ironside]

I dont see how west ham have the players or the coach to achieve top 10. When bolton made top 10 under allardyce they had a couple of worldies in the sqaud. Valencia would be a good signing but south american players can take some settling (generalisation of course). Carrol would need to be fit all season too and that aint likely. I do think they will have a better season though than last. There are 8 teams nailed on for the top 8 places so it only leaves room for two of the rest to make top 10. I would prefer the chances of at least 4 of them ahead of thee ammers. 5/2 seems about right to me. Just my opinion of course.

Who are nailed on for a top 8 spot? There are at least three spots totally up for grabs IMO.   I put up stoke at 13/5 earlier in the summer at bwin. For similar reasons I would imagine west ham have a similar chance now given the summer signings and would second the bet at the same price as stoke.

Sorry, my bad. Its 7 from 7 not 8 as i said so yes it leaves 3 spots IMO. In no particular order.

Man c
Man u
Chelsea
Liverpool
Arsenal
Spurs
Everton
8
9
10

For me, those 3 spots could be taken by any one from

Palace
Stoke
Hammers
QPR
Leicester
Sunderland

We could always be surprised by newcastle too.

I would deffo take stoke over west ham at the same price for top ten. How would that match bet be priced?

Maybe its closer than i first thought so apologies. Still would want better than 5/2 west ham top 10.

Surely Newcastle are better than most/all of that rabble! How depressing, ambition to get into the group of palace, leicester, qpr and tikays mackems. Agree three spots in top 10 up for grabs, expect newcastle, west ham, stoke to fill them personally

dont rule out the saints from repeating last years showing reports coming in that the 2 purchases coming in are just as good if not better than the guys sold to liverpool so far(but just not english so cheaper, questions have to remain over if we can keep the remaining players and if we can get another cpl in

[doubleup]

Just be made aware of an utterly rancid term of the Betfair 8 places offer

If you Cash Out, or place a lay bet on the Exchange in the same market as your Sportsbook bet you will not qualify for a bonus placed payout on this promotion.

That is a complete fucking disgrace

[JoeBeevers]

Pinnaclesports

I have seen a few posts on here regarding Pinnacle Sportsbook with some questions and I thought it might be a good idea to address some of those and help people understand them a bit better.

Firstly I do not work for Pinnacle although on Bettingemporium.com we do have an affiliate deal. I am not going to post that link here though, that is not the reason for this post.

I get the impression that many people lump all sports books into one big pot and most people here are using to dealing with the UK high street firms. Pinnacle is a very different animal altogether.

Pinnacle bet to much smaller margins than most firms a lot of you will be used to. On a pick'em most UK firms bet 10/11 each of two (104.8% book), some even bet 5/6 each of two (109.1%). Pinnaccle typically bet to about 102%. So every time you back a winner with them you win more money.


Chargebacks are always a problem with online gambling (just ask Tikay about Aqua and the Blonde cardroom). If a firm can reduce this cost they can save money and become more competitive. The way that Pinnacle do this is to make sure that you are who you say you are. So when you open your account they ask you up front for scanned docs. Sure this is a hassle that you would rather not have but you only have to do it once and because everyone does it here Pinnacle don't have to make that extra bit of money in their margins. By sending in those docs YOU make more money.

One of the biggest costs for an online firm taking bets is the cost of processing money. If you use a UK VISA debit card to deposit £1000 with one of the big UK firms their processing cost, to the best of my knowledge, is about a flat 25p. Pinnacle get charged a percentage rather than a fixed amount and this is typically 4% of the deposit amount. It is a similar thing with taking money out.

Usually when you hear about Bwin charging for withdrawals and firms not just sending money back immediately, asking for ID or charging somehow everyone starts to worry about that firm and to dislike these things. I understand that.

You simply have to accept that Pinnacle is a totally different business model to all the UK high street firms.

When you deposit they don't want you to have one bet and withdraw immediately afterwards. It costs them money. It's not because they don't want you to withdraw, they just don't want to have to pay for it and lose money as a result.

As they are so often best price it makes sense to leave money on there.

You have the option, you can get paid £90 for a £100 winning bet and withdraw instantly everytime or get paid £95 for the same bet and not withdraw instantly. I know which I prefer. If you withdraw once a month they send the money by bank wire and my experience is that it typically takes about 2 days. There is no charge for that.

The other thing is that they won't close your account, they don't mind if you arb either.

Something that even some hardened sports bettors don't realise is that you can re-bet with Pinnacle. If you ask Ladbrokes for £550 at 10/11 and they lay you £220 that's it, no more action. If Pinnacle lay you £220 at 1.952 then they will either adjust the price a few ticks (or often leave it) and you can then bet the same amount again, and again and again. There is no real limit as there is with the UK firms.

On the World Cup final they had $1million limits on 1x2. In reality there was no limit. You could bet the million again and again and again.

I asked them some of the specific questions that I saw on here over the past week or so:

- They are getting a UKGC license and are in the final stages of processing everything.

- They are nothing to do with Canbet.

- They have a 5 time rollover requirement for withdrawals, however if a player wishes to withdraw sooner he may do so at a fee of 3%.

This last one seems to really bother some people and I can see why. If you get in the habit of using them though it doesn't matter in the slightest. If you are however someone that only bets on the World Cup final every four years then they are not really the firm for you.

[luther101]

Given the potential  for general chaos unter Mr Tang I am wondering if a small speculative punt on Cardiff to go down at 40/1.  Might be dead by September of course, but any views on if this is overpriced as an outsider?

Spooky - I was suggesting this very bet to others at the poker table the other night, Dung.

A combo of a mad relative of Willie Tann & a rookie manager (esp a 'Championship Virgin') will hardly inspire a desperately ordinary squad to fire on all cylinders    ....   a possible outside bet to 'do a Wolves'!

[cheapwetsuit]

Today's stage of the TdF finishes with a steep descent into the town of Oyonnax. The bookies are backing a reduced bunch finish with one of Sagan (Cannondale), Gerrans, Albasini (Orica-GreenEdge) and Trentin (Omega- Pharma QuickStep) taking the win:
http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/stage-11/winner
I'm also a believer in a reduced bunch finish, but I believe someone will try to break away from this group in order to win without the necessity of a sprint. I mean, who really wants to try outsprint Sagan and Gerrans for victory?

The profile of the stage looks like this:

Click to see full-size image.

So far today, there has been an early breakaway. This will be brought back by the teams of Cannondale (CAN) and Omega-Pharma QuickStep (OPQ) by the time the mountains kick in. Then we will see some attacks from the peloton, as the puncheurs try to use the climbs to open up time gaps.

Apparently Sagan has the sniffles this morning, so it has yet to be seen whether he is at 100%. I'm always keen to oppose the favourites, anyway. Gerrans had a crash earlier in the Tour, and might still be suffering from the effects, and therefore I would look to others in a sprint finish. He has just signed a new deal with his team, however, so of course this could be motivation for a good result.

The type of rider that I'm looking to back today, is a good sprinter, a strong climber (who can punch up the steep bits of the last uncategorised climb), but most importantly (with today's technical descent) ... a fantastic descender. There are two riders at attractive odds who fit this profile: Giovanni Visconti and Luca Paolini.

Paolini is a demon downhiller. He won last year's stage 3 of the Giro in a similar finish. I remember at the time, he was cornering so sharply, I thought he was going to take his head off on one of the houses. He has been largely anonymous this year, but he has been working solidly in the service of Kristoff in the TdF, and has looked strong. With Rodriguez (his team-mate at Katusha) not interested in today's KOM points, I believe Paolini will be given the opportunity to go for the stage win.

Visconti is in great form. He was one of the early breakaway riders on stage 10, and did well to catch Rodriguez when he broke on the second last climb. He won a couple of stages in last year's Giro, so knows what it takes, and as a very attacking rider, when there won't be any great threat to his leader Valverde, he should be looking to shake things up.

I recommend £5 win only on Visconti (150/1) and Paolini (100/1) to win stage 11.

[TightEnd]

PP restricted

 Win
Single: Luca Paolini @ 100/1
1 line at £1.38 per line
Total stake for this bet: £1.38
Potential returns: £139.38
No: O/23146337/0000479

Win
Single: Giovanni Visconti @ 100/1
1 line at £1.38 per line
Total stake for this bet: £1.38
Potential returns: £139.38
No: O/23146337/0000480

b365 30p each i left in high dudgeon

[Tonji]

I had Luca in my short list for today,



but was worried about his commitment 

Actually if he's in the mood, he's a top shout.

[horseplayer]

I never insinuated they were anything to do with Canbet

[cheapwetsuit]

I had Luca in my short list for today,



but was worried about his commitment 

Actually if he's in the mood, he's a top shout.

That is a lovely bicycle ... and worth the price of a small car.

Click to see full-size image.

[Tonji]

I had Luca in my short list for today,



but was worried about his commitment 

Actually if he's in the mood, he's a top shout.

That is a lovely bicycle ... and worth the price of a small car.

Click to see full-size image.

lol brilliant, he's a top character in the peloton.