The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[marcro]

An interesting article from the Washington Posts:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/brexit-would-be-hard-for-britain-staying-in-the-eu-would-be-worse/2018/12/14/18932c5a-ffd4-11e8-862a-b6a6f3ce8199_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d38751dfd24f

[RED-DOG]

I don’t think people are saying they’re offended (I’m not), I’m just saying you’re a clueless and ignorant prick.

This is your idea of debating is it?

Right here is where you lose all credibility.

Good morning

I’d respectfully disagree about the impact on my credibility. It’s not my idea of debating but Mantis’s endless stream of idiocy, was never anything to do with debate. I’d request that my view of the endless nonsense/trolling is viewed separately to my contirbution to the debate.

That's like an otherwise good husband asking for his occasional wife-beating to be viewed separately.

[kukushkin88]

I don’t think people are saying they’re offended (I’m not), I’m just saying you’re a clueless and ignorant prick.

This is your idea of debating is it?

Right here is where you lose all credibility.

Good morning

I’d respectfully disagree about the impact on my credibility. It’s not my idea of debating but Mantis’s endless stream of idiocy, was never anything to do with debate. I’d request that my view of the endless nonsense/trolling is viewed separately to my contirbution to the debate.

That's like an otherwise good husband asking for his occasional wife-beating to be viewed separately.

I respect your judgement, so of course I’ll take that on board. To my mind by relentlessly writing untrue and ridiculous things Mantis removes himself from the ‘debate’ and is subject to different rules.

[RED-DOG]

I don’t think people are saying they’re offended (I’m not), I’m just saying you’re a clueless and ignorant prick.

This is your idea of debating is it?

Right here is where you lose all credibility.

Good morning

I’d respectfully disagree about the impact on my credibility. It’s not my idea of debating but Mantis’s endless stream of idiocy, was never anything to do with debate. I’d request that my view of the endless nonsense/trolling is viewed separately to my contirbution to the debate.

That's like an otherwise good husband asking for his occasional wife-beating to be viewed separately.

I respect your judgement, so of course I’ll take that on board. To my mind by relentlessly writing untrue and ridiculous things Mantis removes himself from the ‘debate’ and is subject to different rules.

That's like saying well my wife was particularly naughty.

[kukushkin88]

I don’t think people are saying they’re offended (I’m not), I’m just saying you’re a clueless and ignorant prick.

This is your idea of debating is it?

Right here is where you lose all credibility.

Good morning

I’d respectfully disagree about the impact on my credibility. It’s not my idea of debating but Mantis’s endless stream of idiocy, was never anything to do with debate. I’d request that my view of the endless nonsense/trolling is viewed separately to my contirbution to the debate.

That's like an otherwise good husband asking for his occasional wife-beating to be viewed separately.

I respect your judgement, so of course I’ll take that on board. To my mind by relentlessly writing untrue and ridiculous things Mantis removes himself from the ‘debate’ and is subject to different rules.

That's like saying well my wife was particularly naughty.

I don’t think it is, beating your wife is always terrible, an unforgivable thing to do and about as far away from anything I would do as anyone could possibly imagine. Very occasionally abusing an internet troll because his lies are frustrating and are part (admittedly a small part) of a bigger, very serious problem, is in my view not so bad.

As I say, I’ll take your criticism on board and hopefully be better for it.

[MANTIS01]

Thing about lies is that they're very easy to expose with logic

Responding to 'lies' by calling somebody a prick says a great deal more about your character than mine. In fact it simply portrays you as the troll.

What's more, saying you get frustrated and calling people pricks whilst insisting you are calm and emotionless is the only actual lying on display here.

Unfortunately you don't get to decide your credibility rating, that's for others to judge.

Personally I think saying your rants are emotionless and anger-less but frustrated and only designed to help others understand better is actually brilliant. I love how you twist and turn with your contradictions and internal battles.

Anyway my latest contribution is that the French government are currently luring British business to Northern France and it's akin to a war.

Feel free to demonstrate how that is a lie. I'm no expert but calling me a prick doesn't necessarily achieve that goal very well.

[RED-DOG]

I don’t think people are saying they’re offended (I’m not), I’m just saying you’re a clueless and ignorant prick.

This is your idea of debating is it?

Right here is where you lose all credibility.

Good morning

I’d respectfully disagree about the impact on my credibility. It’s not my idea of debating but Mantis’s endless stream of idiocy, was never anything to do with debate. I’d request that my view of the endless nonsense/trolling is viewed separately to my contirbution to the debate.

That's like an otherwise good husband asking for his occasional wife-beating to be viewed separately.

I respect your judgement, so of course I’ll take that on board. To my mind by relentlessly writing untrue and ridiculous things Mantis removes himself from the ‘debate’ and is subject to different rules.

That's like saying well my wife was particularly naughty.

I don’t think it is, beating your wife is always terrible, an unforgivable thing to do and about as far away from anything I would do as anyone could possibly imagine. Very occasionally abusing an internet troll because his lies are frustrating and are part (admittedly a small part) of a bigger, very serious problem, is in my view not so bad.

As I say, I’ll take your criticism on board and hopefully be better for it.

As I said elsewhere this week, when you're bang to rights, it's better to just hold your hands up.

[kukushkin88]

I don’t think people are saying they’re offended (I’m not), I’m just saying you’re a clueless and ignorant prick.

This is your idea of debating is it?

Right here is where you lose all credibility.

Good morning

I’d respectfully disagree about the impact on my credibility. It’s not my idea of debating but Mantis’s endless stream of idiocy, was never anything to do with debate. I’d request that my view of the endless nonsense/trolling is viewed separately to my contirbution to the debate.

That's like an otherwise good husband asking for his occasional wife-beating to be viewed separately.

I respect your judgement, so of course I’ll take that on board. To my mind by relentlessly writing untrue and ridiculous things Mantis removes himself from the ‘debate’ and is subject to different rules.

That's like saying well my wife was particularly naughty.

I don’t think it is, beating your wife is always terrible, an unforgivable thing to do and about as far away from anything I would do as anyone could possibly imagine. Very occasionally abusing an internet troll because his lies are frustrating and are part (admittedly a small part) of a bigger, very serious problem, is in my view not so bad.

As I say, I’ll take your criticism on board and hopefully be better for it.

As I said elsewhere this week, when you're bang to rights, it's better to just hold your hands up.

We disagree. Just see his latest post, it’s profoundly patently untrue, ridiculous and is the sort of mentality that could become dangerous, it is a problem. Doing nothing about it is worse than occasionally succumbing to stupid name calling, which I regret but it’s a tiny detail really.

[RED-DOG]

I don’t think people are saying they’re offended (I’m not), I’m just saying you’re a clueless and ignorant prick.

This is your idea of debating is it?

Right here is where you lose all credibility.

Good morning

I’d respectfully disagree about the impact on my credibility. It’s not my idea of debating but Mantis’s endless stream of idiocy, was never anything to do with debate. I’d request that my view of the endless nonsense/trolling is viewed separately to my contirbution to the debate.

That's like an otherwise good husband asking for his occasional wife-beating to be viewed separately.

I respect your judgement, so of course I’ll take that on board. To my mind by relentlessly writing untrue and ridiculous things Mantis removes himself from the ‘debate’ and is subject to different rules.

That's like saying well my wife was particularly naughty.

I don’t think it is, beating your wife is always terrible, an unforgivable thing to do and about as far away from anything I would do as anyone could possibly imagine. Very occasionally abusing an internet troll because his lies are frustrating and are part (admittedly a small part) of a bigger, very serious problem, is in my view not so bad.

As I say, I’ll take your criticism on board and hopefully be better for it.

As I said elsewhere this week, when you're bang to rights, it's better to just hold your hands up.

We disagree. Just see his latest post, it’s profoundly patently untrue, ridiculous and is the sort of mentality that could become dangerous, it is a problem. Doing nothing about it is worse than occasionally succumbing to stupid name calling, which I regret but it’s a tiny detail really.

You are right, we disagree.

[MANTIS01]

Whereas such gems as ‘Mantis is a clueless, ignorant prick. And a troll’

or ‘I’m emotionless but frustrated so regularly indulge in calm rants to help others understand worthless posts’

Is the height of consistency and profoundness

Morrrrrr pls

[StuartHopkin]

Mantis posts for reactions.

You can't jump on the guy because he reacted!

 

[nirvana]

Maybe I'm living in an odd space. I think just calling someone a prick twat or ct even is just standard bants (not to be considered a cue by the way ). Surely we're all deliberately pricks sometimes and mants doesn't have immunity. Sometimes I call myself a prick after a post and just hope no one else mentions it

[MANTIS01]

Mantis posts for reactions.

You can't jump on the guy because he reacted!

 

You can’t blame me for beating my wife officer

She was asking for it...

[StuartHopkin]

Mantis posts for reactions.

You can't jump on the guy because he reacted!

 

You can’t blame me for beating my wife officer

She was asking for it...

Stop it!

You can't compare calling Mantis a prick to beating your wife!

It's more like telling the wife she is prick after year's of torrential waffle and verbal abuse to your ears.

[nirvana]

Anyway. Seems the main news today is for the Tories to come out strongly against a second ref. So..it's nailed on