The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[Doobs]

Deal in 2019 is 1.15 on Betfair.   People on twitter suggesting 1.01 no deal should be making fortunes...

FWIW I think laying is probably value

Now 1.13/1.14. "people on twitter" have let me down

[BigAdz]

Reading on Twitter that the talks have broken down, incidentally the day after DUP visited Downing Street.

Where?

He just makes shit up.

We have all seen it.

[aaron1867]

Reading on Twitter that the talks have broken down, incidentally the day after DUP visited Downing Street.

Where?

He just makes shit up.

We have all seen it.

Yeah, I just made this up for lolz. It’s all over Twitter that there have been some sort of change after DUP was in town yesterday. What that change is, I don’t know.

You could always look on Twitter, it’s very useful.

You could also take note of the mods requests too of getting back on topic, rather than throwing more insults and bad language. That’s how you got your last ban.

[Pokerpops]

Reading on Twitter that the talks have broken down, incidentally the day after DUP visited Downing Street.

Where?

He just makes shit up.

We have all seen it.

Yeah, I just made this up for lolz. It’s all over Twitter that there have has been some sort of change after the DUP was in town yesterday. What that change is, I don’t know.

You could always look on Twitter, it’s very useful.

You could also take note of the mods requests too of getting back on topic, rather than throwing more insults and bad language. That’s how you got your last ban.

[RickBFA]

Oooh that's a good one

Suez crisis?

decision to call the Brexit referendum? (didn't have to)

both up there

Good one? That an attempt at humour?

I said last 60 years.

Suez crisis was in 1956 yes? 63 years ago.

But do I think what many would consider a legally questionable war (at best) was a worse decision that giving a democratic referendum vote to the British people, then absolutely the Iraq War was a far, far worse decision.

You seem to be implying it was a reasonable decision to go into that war from your reply. Bit surprising.

[TightEnd]

No, I thought it was a good question.

No controversy intended.

Everyone is tetchy today ;-)

[StuartHopkin]

Oooh that's a good one

Suez crisis?

decision to call the Brexit referendum? (didn't have to)

both up there

Good one? That an attempt at humour?

I said last 60 years.

Suez crisis was in 1956 yes? 63 years ago.

But do I think what many would consider a legally questionable war (at best) was a worse decision that giving a democratic referendum vote to the British people, then absolutely the Iraq War was a far, far worse decision.

You seem to be implying it was a reasonable decision to go into that war from your reply. Bit surprising.

Tony Blair Iraq War decision was a million times worse than David Cameron's referendum.

Iraq war, based on info he knew was false, sent thousands directly to their deaths for no reason, TB should be hung at best.
Referendum, DC took a bit of spin, lost, then the government imploded as they are incapable of putting the good of the country first, DC should be banished to Hull at worst.

[Doobs]

a million?
Selling off much of the council housing stock has pretty disastrous consequences?
Thatcher's first few years were pretty bad for many. 
Austerity has had some bad outcomes and lead to the narrow win in the Brexit vote?  You can start your timeline whever your political persuasion decides it should go?
The troubles could have been resolved sooner?
Devolution and the possibility of Scottish independence?
Selling off so many public services cheaply?
HS2 is an ongoing shambles?

[TightEnd]

1.14 knew (maybe)

BREAKING: U.K. and EU negotiators in Brussels are closing in on a draft Brexit deal with optimism that there will be a breakthrough before the end of the day

https://bloom.bg/2MGMK1H

[RickBFA]

No, I thought it was a good question.

No controversy intended.

Everyone is tetchy today ;-)

No worries, perhaps I was a bit tetchy. It’s been a difficult few days :-)

[RickBFA]

1.14 knew (maybe)

BREAKING: U.K. and EU negotiators in Brussels are closing in on a draft Brexit deal with optimism that there will be a breakthrough before the end of the day

https://bloom.bg/2MGMK1H

If a deal is on then we will see if Parliament can put the national interest before party politics.

I guess to BJ gets 40 or so Labour MP’s in leave constituencies to vote for it, he might well get it through?

Tough for Labour Party. They look screwed either way. Shame.

[TightEnd]

If the rumour is correct, we could end up with a NI-only backstop. Which would explain why the DUP are looking glum as its a fairly large leap towards a united Ireland, eventually.

Pretty harsh for the rest of the UK economically as that chart on Johnson/May deals showed i posted at the weekend but at least not no deal itself.



 

[TightEnd]

Steve Baker, Bill Cash and Mark Francois and others going into Number 10 for discussion over the shape of brexit deal....

ok its on.....

Any volunteers to do cliff notes for the thread at midnight?

[Archer]

Gap still quite wide based on Varadkar press conference:

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1184127055333605376


Taoiseach Leo Varadkar just now in Dublin: (is he putting distance between himself and the Thornton Manor deal?)

Said after his meeting with  @BorisJohnson   that he saw a pathway towards an agreement. "But there's a difference between a pathway and an agreement.

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1184129858454151169

[TightEnd]

"It is understood that the negotiating teams have agreed in principle that there will be a customs border down the Irish Sea. A similar arrangement was rejected by Theresa May after the DUP blocked it." 

If this is correct the DUP have now managed to turn a spell of rare influence in government into a hard border between the rest of the UK and Northern Ireland 😁caving or being discarded by the government to break the famous Brexit trilemna Venn diagram