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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
Conservative - 19 (33.9%)
Labour - 12 (21.4%)
SNP - 2 (3.6%)
Lib Dem - 8 (14.3%)
Brexit - 1 (1.8%)
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« Reply #7665 on: March 30, 2017, 11:54:27 AM »

At a time when the Labour Party is imploding and more moderate Labour votes will be looking for a home, you would expect the Lib Dems to be picking up significant support. After all, where else could this group of voters go?

I watched Tim Farron last night and saw why that's not going to happen.

Don't think he could answer the question when it was put to him that his call for another referendum at the end of negotiations would mean the EU would just be incentivised to give us a poor deal.

Bit of a joke.


Haha. Of all politicians he's the one I feel like I'd really like to give a wrist burn or something
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« Reply #7666 on: March 30, 2017, 11:55:39 AM »

At a time when the Labour Party is imploding and more moderate Labour votes will be looking for a home, you would expect the Lib Dems to be picking up significant support. After all, where else could this group of voters go?

I watched Tim Farron last night and saw why that's not going to happen.

Don't think he could answer the question when it was put to him that his call for another referendum at the end of negotiations would mean the EU would just be incentivised to give us a poor deal.

Bit of a joke.


oh i completely disagree (well almost completely, farron clearly isn't a clegg)

LD membership is through the roof (87000 now), local results showing a lot of gains

think the next few years are very interesting for them especially if a) no brexit deal and b) corbyn stays to 2020

(full disclosure, i joined the lib dems a few months ago, natural home for a "leftish/wet" conservative remainer)

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« Reply #7667 on: March 30, 2017, 02:55:32 PM »

(full disclosure, i joined the lib dems a few months ago, natural home for a "leftish/wet" conservative remainer)

Same here, but joined from the other side (pissed-off ex-Labour voter).  Greg Mulholland is my MP, so I'm one of the few that currently still has a Lib-Dem MP, but I suspect that number will increase at the next GE.
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« Reply #7668 on: March 30, 2017, 03:14:01 PM »

I saw some very important euro mp types on the tv news this morning. They were talking about how they were going to teach the uk a harsh lesson for leaving as a warning to others. It all sounded rather sinister and left me wondering if these are the freedoms and conditions that will help expand the euro club moving forwards. Once you join you cannot escape or we will punish you. In fact the image of adulterous wives being stoned in far flung countries as a warning to others sprang to mind. All very noble I'm sure.

In fact I've digested a lot of info regarding the negotiations and some of the rhetoric is rather dramatic, on a cliff edge, the sky falling in. I think this is revolving around the psychological fact that the uk is 'leaving'. But the reality is that Europe is equally negotiating with us and so they can indeed put their straight bananas up their bottoms. Let's take just one industry, say wine, well good luck to the French and Italian governments happily announcing they have negotiated a 30% tariff on all exports to the lucrative uk market. Bet the people will be pleased about the lesson They are teaching us. And perhaps more people will vote to leave euro and join the new club we create.
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« Reply #7669 on: March 30, 2017, 03:57:09 PM »

I saw some very important euro mp types on the tv news this morning. They were talking about how they were going to teach the uk a harsh lesson for leaving as a warning to others. It all sounded rather sinister and left me wondering if these are the freedoms and conditions that will help expand the euro club moving forwards. Once you join you cannot escape or we will punish you. In fact the image of adulterous wives being stoned in far flung countries as a warning to others sprang to mind. All very noble I'm sure.

In fact I've digested a lot of info regarding the negotiations and some of the rhetoric is rather dramatic, on a cliff edge, the sky falling in. I think this is revolving around the psychological fact that the uk is 'leaving'. But the reality is that Europe is equally negotiating with us and so they can indeed put their straight bananas up their bottoms. Let's take just one industry, say wine, well good luck to the French and Italian governments happily announcing they have negotiated a 30% tariff on all exports to the lucrative uk market. Bet the people will be pleased about the lesson They are teaching us. And perhaps more people will vote to leave euro and join the new club we create.

very nice, breitbart uk looking for contributers I heard, drop them a mail.

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« Reply #7670 on: March 31, 2017, 12:01:06 AM »

(full disclosure, i joined the lib dems a few months ago, natural home for a "leftish/wet" conservative remainer)

Same here, but joined from the other side (pissed-off ex-Labour voter).  Greg Mulholland is my MP, so I'm one of the few that currently still has a Lib-Dem MP, but I suspect that number will increase at the next GE.

Surprised by this, didn't you Vote Leave?
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« Reply #7671 on: March 31, 2017, 02:36:43 PM »

good grief.

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« Reply #7672 on: March 31, 2017, 02:37:15 PM »

Londoners like Sadiq Khan. A lot

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« Reply #7673 on: March 31, 2017, 02:38:28 PM »

a different swing to the national one in a remain city

this would sent double figures Lab seats to other parties in london

YouGov/Standard (London, chg vs April 2016):

CON 34 (+4)
LAB 37 (-9)
LD 14 (+7)
UKIP 9 (-4)
GRN 5 (+1)

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N=1,042
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« Reply #7674 on: March 31, 2017, 03:04:29 PM »

(full disclosure, i joined the lib dems a few months ago, natural home for a "leftish/wet" conservative remainer)

Same here, but joined from the other side (pissed-off ex-Labour voter).  Greg Mulholland is my MP, so I'm one of the few that currently still has a Lib-Dem MP, but I suspect that number will increase at the next GE.

Surprised by this, didn't you Vote Leave?

I did, but that was more of a response to the campaign being run by Remain (doom-mongering by Cameron and Osborne in particular) rather than any particularly strong views on being in or out of Europe.

The Lib-Dems immediately started campaigning after the vote to be representing 'the 48%'.  I tweeted them to say whether they'd welcome a centre-left leave voter and got pretty much instant replies from Greg Mulholland and Tim Farron, which I was impressed with.

In fairness, my biggest political issue now is for electoral reform and an end to FPTP, given that we're doomed to lifetime of Tory Governments without it, so there's a natural fit too.
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« Reply #7675 on: March 31, 2017, 05:57:13 PM »

I just saw a series of tweets suggesting Northern Ireland and Gibralter both have the right of ignoring Brexit and staying in the EU.
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« Reply #7676 on: March 31, 2017, 06:26:23 PM »

I just saw a series of tweets suggesting Northern Ireland and Gibralter both have the right of ignoring Brexit and staying in the EU.


Only be joining Ireland and Spain respectively?  Guess nobody quotes sources anymore.
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« Reply #7677 on: April 02, 2017, 12:13:39 PM »

the British consumer is on a mad one

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« Reply #7678 on: April 02, 2017, 12:14:37 PM »

unforeseen consequences of Brexit. NI borders, gibraltar...

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« Reply #7679 on: April 02, 2017, 12:16:06 PM »

the sun is supportive

"A long way to go, but Theresa May's Brexit negotiation is off to as good a start as anyone could have expected"

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