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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
Conservative - 19 (33.9%)
Labour - 12 (21.4%)
SNP - 2 (3.6%)
Lib Dem - 8 (14.3%)
Brexit - 1 (1.8%)
Green - 6 (10.7%)
Other - 2 (3.6%)
Spoil - 0 (0%)
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« Reply #12075 on: March 13, 2018, 10:22:21 PM »

a good point by Cowling

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And probably the reason remain lost, insulting people tipped the balance away from them, you reap what you sow.....

I guess he ignored a golden rule. Something being true doesn't by itself make it a sensible thing to say.

It’s simpler than that, he was just being a condescending twat as many remainers were....

The remainers were insulting you? I am pretty sure the evidence points the other way.

I dare say insulting people made little difference originally, just can't see many people deciding to vote for something somebody else has labelled that the racist or the idiot's choice.  No advertising agency ever sold golliwogs by saying they were the choice of thick racists.



The political establishment basically got a kicking because they underestimated the public.

The “we know best” attitude came across as arrogance - if the remainers had run a better campaign they would have won the referendum, yet we still see the likes of Vince Cable just not getting it.

Yup, better campaign and less condescending twatishness and they would deffo have won.
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« Reply #12076 on: March 13, 2018, 11:12:24 PM »

a good point by Cowling

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And probably the reason remain lost, insulting people tipped the balance away from them, you reap what you sow.....

I guess he ignored a golden rule. Something being true doesn't by itself make it a sensible thing to say.

It’s simpler than that, he was just being a condescending twat as many remainers were....

The remainers were insulting you? I am pretty sure the evidence points the other way.

I dare say insulting people made little difference originally, just can't see many people deciding to vote for something somebody else has labelled that the racist or the idiot's choice.  No advertising agency ever sold golliwogs by saying they were the choice of thick racists.



The political establishment basically got a kicking because they underestimated the public.

The “we know best” attitude came across as arrogance - if the remainers had run a better campaign they would have won the referendum, yet we still see the likes of Vince Cable just not getting it.

Yup, better campaign and less condescending twatishness and they would deffo have won.

Cable:  "Too many older people who voted for Brexit were driven by nostalgia for a Britain when “passports were blue, faces were white and the map was coloured imperial pink”.".

Woodsey: "Twat, Twat, Twat and Twat"

So who is insulting who, and who just don't get it?  Sure Cable isn't following great strategy here, but he isn't calling those who voted the other way twats, you are.

I am sure the remainers could have run a better campaign too Wink
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« Reply #12077 on: March 13, 2018, 11:21:26 PM »

a good point by Cowling

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And probably the reason remain lost, insulting people tipped the balance away from them, you reap what you sow.....

I guess he ignored a golden rule. Something being true doesn't by itself make it a sensible thing to say.

It’s simpler than that, he was just being a condescending twat as many remainers were....

The remainers were insulting you? I am pretty sure the evidence points the other way.

I dare say insulting people made little difference originally, just can't see many people deciding to vote for something somebody else has labelled that the racist or the idiot's choice.  No advertising agency ever sold golliwogs by saying they were the choice of thick racists.



The political establishment basically got a kicking because they underestimated the public.

The “we know best” attitude came across as arrogance - if the remainers had run a better campaign they would have won the referendum, yet we still see the likes of Vince Cable just not getting it.

Yup, better campaign and less condescending twatishness and they would deffo have won.

Cable:  "Too many older people who voted for Brexit were driven by nostalgia for a Britain when “passports were blue, faces were white and the map was coloured imperial pink”.".

Woodsey: "Twat, Twat, Twat and Twat"

So who is insulting who, and who just don't get it?  Sure Cable isn't following great strategy here, but he isn't calling those who voted the other way twats, you are.

I am sure the remainers could have run a better campaign too Wink

Yes, but it didn’t cost me any vote, there’s a reasonable chance it cost the remoaners their victory in the referendum and they still haven’t learned their lesson. Give me another 10 years of pointing out twatish behaviour and I still won’t even be close to even with the barrage of insults that was thrown leavers way....

And no I’m not calling people who voted the other way twats, That’s reserved for people who threw out all the insults to leavers..
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« Reply #12078 on: March 15, 2018, 10:27:03 AM »

Corbyn on Russia failed to impress Con or Lab MPs – but public might see it differently:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-russia-position-conservatives-labour-mps-unimpressed-public-opinon-a8255301.html
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« Reply #12079 on: March 15, 2018, 10:28:34 AM »

Analysis: is the Salisbury nerve agent attack Theresa May's 'Falklands' Moment?

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/salisbury-nerve-agent-attack-have-the-russian-spy-expulsions-given-theresa-may-her-falklands-moment_uk_5aa970c4e4b0600b82ff9012
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« Reply #12080 on: March 15, 2018, 10:30:53 AM »

Jeremy Corbyn's Russia stance has reopened Labour's wounds

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/03/jeremy-corbyns-russia-stance-has-reopened-labours-wounds
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« Reply #12081 on: March 15, 2018, 10:32:49 AM »

Cold War 2.0 - Tremendously authoritative piece on Russia, Britain, the Salisbury poisoning and our new age of world disorder

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/03/putin-s-new-cold-war
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« Reply #12082 on: March 15, 2018, 10:50:02 AM »

Yesterday showed yet again what a prize plum Corbyn is. Thoroughly unsuitable for PM. Carry on as Labour leader for as long as you like Jeremy, I'm your biggest fan.
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« Reply #12083 on: March 15, 2018, 11:03:34 AM »

Yesterday showed yet again what a prize plum Corbyn is. Thoroughly unsuitable for PM. Carry on as Labour leader for as long as you like Jeremy, I'm your biggest fan.

He has been proved right before when rushing to conclusions produced a consensus that was wrong. On the information the public has been given, there is no proof that it was Russia. It's not inconceivable that some maverick group or state such as Ukraine was responsible, perhaps to cause trouble between Russia and UK.
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« Reply #12084 on: March 15, 2018, 11:54:24 AM »

I see that former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan Colin Murray has floated the idea that Israel might be behind this attack in Salisbury.

It's not so far fetched when you read his reasoning and coming on the back of the Saudi's visit to the UK. 

The Blairites and Labour Friends for Israel pretty keen to crush this story. 

I'm with Corbyn and France on this, I'd want to see solid evidence that this was Russia before I started poking Putin. 

There seems to be a typical little Britain mentality being displayed by politicians across the spectrum. 
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« Reply #12085 on: March 15, 2018, 12:08:28 PM »

I agree.

Being almost certain it was the Russians is not enough, and, btw, what will the sanctions achieve?
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« Reply #12086 on: March 15, 2018, 12:17:28 PM »

I see that former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan Colin Murray has floated the idea that Israel might be behind this attack in Salisbury.

It's not so far fetched when you read his reasoning and coming on the back of the Saudi's visit to the UK. 

The Blairites and Labour Friends for Israel pretty keen to crush this story. 

I'm with Corbyn and France on this, I'd want to see solid evidence that this was Russia before I started poking Putin. 

There seems to be a typical little Britain mentality being displayed by politicians across the spectrum. 


what exactly would you consider solid evidence?

you have US/UK experts sayings it's the exclusive brand of agent only made in Russia.  would you only believe Russian results?


Bush/Blair and now Trump have done a fantastic result of fking everything up where it gets to the point that we dont trust our own institutions over anything and layman guesses hold more weight than specialist professions with trillions in funding and expertise.
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« Reply #12087 on: March 15, 2018, 12:30:15 PM »

I see that former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan Colin Murray has floated the idea that Israel might be behind this attack in Salisbury.

It's not so far fetched when you read his reasoning and coming on the back of the Saudi's visit to the UK. 

The Blairites and Labour Friends for Israel pretty keen to crush this story. 

I'm with Corbyn and France on this, I'd want to see solid evidence that this was Russia before I started poking Putin. 

There seems to be a typical little Britain mentality being displayed by politicians across the spectrum. 

We should wait for hard evidence on this....but you never know it might have been Israel because Tony Blair.

I know I'm straw manning you a bit there, just couldn't resist.
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« Reply #12088 on: March 15, 2018, 12:31:09 PM »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26048324
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« Reply #12089 on: March 15, 2018, 12:31:48 PM »

I see that former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan Colin Murray has floated the idea that Israel might be behind this attack in Salisbury.

It's not so far fetched when you read his reasoning and coming on the back of the Saudi's visit to the UK. 

The Blairites and Labour Friends for Israel pretty keen to crush this story. 

I'm with Corbyn and France on this, I'd want to see solid evidence that this was Russia before I started poking Putin. 

There seems to be a typical little Britain mentality being displayed by politicians across the spectrum. 



you have US/UK experts sayings it's the exclusive brand of agent only made in Russia.  would you only believe Russian results?



The key word there being only!  

We haven't had any such expert make that claim.  Even the PM wouldn't go as far as saying so.

Look at this logically, Putin is days a way from "winning" another election.  they gave this spy a fairly light sentence and then gave him back to the UK in a swap deal do you think he'd have done that if the intention was always to off the bloke?

There is a thing called law and due process and there is no as yet suspect in this attempted murder and there is no physical or forensic evidence to link it to Russia.  It's all whataboutery.

It's not like the UK can hold its hands up and say that it has never taken anyone out on sovereign territory.  

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