The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[marcro]

Having to follow rules over which you have no say is a massive statement for a democratic country to swallow. Particularly a country with extensive history of fighting for democracy. Give that up to avoid marginal economic decline? Can see why resistance is there to such a suggestion.

Hi Mantis

Has it ever occurred to you that your views do not represent the country as a whole?

48% voted Remain so it’s a statistical fact my views don’t represent the country as a whole

Tell me mate...do your views represent the country has a whole?

That said does it occur to you that those bullet points are not acceptable to the majority?

I don't think my general views would represent even 10% of the country, that's why generally I keep them to myself.
You will probably notice that I very rarely make any comments about what they country thinks, should think or finds hard to swallow.

I would guess, and I will admit it is only a guess, that the majority of the country couldn't give a monkeys about those bullet points.

Agreed mate, the people who don't care about uncontrolled immigration, self-determination or whether British decisions are spineless is a very small minority.

Even so, would encourage you to post such thoughts frequently on a failing forum. I'm sure the wizards will confirm it's a real positive for the stats.   

I think the majority would agree that your attempt to twist my statements is pretty poor.

I would however believe that the amount of people who do care about uncontrolled immigration greatly out weighs the number of people who care about self determination and supposed spineless decisions.

I find your point of view on this somewhat delusional.

I voted leave.

I would still like to leave.

At this point though all of that is irrelevant.

Whether Brexit was a good idea, bad idea, opportunity or disaster it doesn't matter.

The leaders of this country, in my belief, are not up to the job of delivering anything other than either the worst deal anyone ever imagined or an implosion of epic proportions.
They are too busy fighting amongst themselves and completely out of touch with reality.

Your idea that it is spineless to realise this is and do something about it is insane.

I agree with the text highlighted in bold.

[BigAdz]

ok, then people seriously underestimated the benefits of the single market (Thatcher, one of its greatest supporters) and the cost of being out of it in their every day lives.

being part of that big trading group, freedom of movement with the benefits economic migration brings completely misunderstood (or not explained well enough, i accept)

The principle was correct, but, and it was a big but, it always needed someone with the strength and authority of Thatcher to represent us.

Too many, word of the thread, spineless leaders have followed her and our place at the head of the table has slipped in Mays case to skulking around behind the suits in her leopardskin shoes.

Both sides have had their share in this fall from grace, but that's why we are where we are now.

[MANTIS01]

Whatever the deal we will need to perform as a country and I'm confident we can. Think I perform even better in adversity actually, just like a lot of Brits. Take Blonde, desperately in need of posts and I can stimulate somebody who keeps their views to themselves to liberally and freely post a whole host of views. Yep consider myself a real Blonde asset. Some people analyse the stats and some people make the stats. But I do understand the wizard-types being afraid of venturing out into the world and dealing with people. Saying stuff like EU leaders such as Macron are "only trying to protect the union" shows a childlike innocence so all the change must be quite scary. 

[kukushkin88]

Whatever the deal we will need to perform as a country and I'm confident we can. Think I perform even better in adversity actually, just like a lot of Brits. Take Blonde, desperately in need of posts and I can stimulate somebody who keeps their views to themselves to liberally and freely post a whole host of views. Yep consider myself a real Blonde asset. Some people analyse the stats and some people make the stats. But I do understand the wizard-types being afraid of venturing out into the world and dealing with people. Saying stuff like EU leaders such as Macron are "only trying to protect the union" shows a childlike innocence so all the change must be quite scary. 

It’s just sad trolling again and seemingly minimal progress on grasping even the simple concepts. It’s a shame because your post on democracy/sovereignty earlier wasn’t even completely ridiculous.

[Woodsey]

Whatever the deal we will need to perform as a country and I'm confident we can. Think I perform even better in adversity actually, just like a lot of Brits. Take Blonde, desperately in need of posts and I can stimulate somebody who keeps their views to themselves to liberally and freely post a whole host of views. Yep consider myself a real Blonde asset. Some people analyse the stats and some people make the stats. But I do understand the wizard-types being afraid of venturing out into the world and dealing with people. Saying stuff like EU leaders such as Macron are "only trying to protect the union" shows a childlike innocence so all the change must be quite scary. 

I wish I could share your confidence mate I really do. Adversity is standard in my job and we usually find a way like you probably do, unfortunately we have too many whiners in this country that would prefer to sit on the sidelines as passengers than crack on with it and find a way to make things to work out in tough spots.

[kukushkin88]

Whatever the deal we will need to perform as a country and I'm confident we can. Think I perform even better in adversity actually, just like a lot of Brits. Take Blonde, desperately in need of posts and I can stimulate somebody who keeps their views to themselves to liberally and freely post a whole host of views. Yep consider myself a real Blonde asset. Some people analyse the stats and some people make the stats. But I do understand the wizard-types being afraid of venturing out into the world and dealing with people. Saying stuff like EU leaders such as Macron are "only trying to protect the union" shows a childlike innocence so all the change must be quite scary. 

I wish I could share your confidence mate I really do. Adversity is standard in my job and we usually find a way like you probably do, unfortunately we have too many whiners in this country that would prefer to sit on the sidelines as passengers than crack on with it and find a way to make things to work out in tough spots.

This is meant in a friendly spirit, so please accept it as such. When you write something like this, do you genuinely believe it to be true? If so how did you form this opinion? What did you see? what did you read? what did you experience? etc

[Woodsey]

Whatever the deal we will need to perform as a country and I'm confident we can. Think I perform even better in adversity actually, just like a lot of Brits. Take Blonde, desperately in need of posts and I can stimulate somebody who keeps their views to themselves to liberally and freely post a whole host of views. Yep consider myself a real Blonde asset. Some people analyse the stats and some people make the stats. But I do understand the wizard-types being afraid of venturing out into the world and dealing with people. Saying stuff like EU leaders such as Macron are "only trying to protect the union" shows a childlike innocence so all the change must be quite scary. 

I wish I could share your confidence mate I really do. Adversity is standard in my job and we usually find a way like you probably do, unfortunately we have too many whiners in this country that would prefer to sit on the sidelines as passengers than crack on with it and find a way to make things to work out in tough spots.

This is meant in a friendly spirit, so please accept it as such. When you write something like this, do you genuinely believe it to be true? If so how did you form this opinion? What did you see? what did you read? what did you experience? etc

I absolutely believe it, I have experienced it all my working life and have 25 years in business and working with people/teams to form it. There are doer’s who just get things done to the best of their ability no matter what the situation, and we have had some tough situations over the years. Then there are those that just complain and are not very effective, it’s always somebody else’s fault, even worse they start to suck the positive attitudes out of others and are poison to a team. These people are just passengers in life and to a business and need ditching at the first opportunity.

Fortunately I’m a lot better than I was at employing the former, but the occasional one still slips through the net........ 

[kukushkin88]

Whatever the deal we will need to perform as a country and I'm confident we can. Think I perform even better in adversity actually, just like a lot of Brits. Take Blonde, desperately in need of posts and I can stimulate somebody who keeps their views to themselves to liberally and freely post a whole host of views. Yep consider myself a real Blonde asset. Some people analyse the stats and some people make the stats. But I do understand the wizard-types being afraid of venturing out into the world and dealing with people. Saying stuff like EU leaders such as Macron are "only trying to protect the union" shows a childlike innocence so all the change must be quite scary. 

I wish I could share your confidence mate I really do. Adversity is standard in my job and we usually find a way like you probably do, unfortunately we have too many whiners in this country that would prefer to sit on the sidelines as passengers than crack on with it and find a way to make things to work out in tough spots.

This is meant in a friendly spirit, so please accept it as such. When you write something like this, do you genuinely believe it to be true? If so how did you form this opinion? What did you see? what did you read? what did you experience? etc

I absolutely believe it, I have experienced it all my working life and have 25 years in business and working with people/teams to form it. There are doer’s who just get things done to the best of their ability no matter what the situation, and we have had some tough situations over the years. Then there are those that just complain and are not very effective, it’s always somebody else’s fault, even worse they start to suck the positive attitudes out of others and are poison to a team. These people are just passengers in life and to a business and need ditching at the first opportunity.

Fortunately I’m a lot better than I was at employing the former, but the occasional one still slips through the net........ 

Cool answer, it’s interesting. Do these behavioural tendencies correlate with political allegiance or pro/anti Brexit views?

[Woodsey]

Whatever the deal we will need to perform as a country and I'm confident we can. Think I perform even better in adversity actually, just like a lot of Brits. Take Blonde, desperately in need of posts and I can stimulate somebody who keeps their views to themselves to liberally and freely post a whole host of views. Yep consider myself a real Blonde asset. Some people analyse the stats and some people make the stats. But I do understand the wizard-types being afraid of venturing out into the world and dealing with people. Saying stuff like EU leaders such as Macron are "only trying to protect the union" shows a childlike innocence so all the change must be quite scary. 

I wish I could share your confidence mate I really do. Adversity is standard in my job and we usually find a way like you probably do, unfortunately we have too many whiners in this country that would prefer to sit on the sidelines as passengers than crack on with it and find a way to make things to work out in tough spots.

This is meant in a friendly spirit, so please accept it as such. When you write something like this, do you genuinely believe it to be true? If so how did you form this opinion? What did you see? what did you read? what did you experience? etc

I absolutely believe it, I have experienced it all my working life and have 25 years in business and working with people/teams to form it. There are doer’s who just get things done to the best of their ability no matter what the situation, and we have had some tough situations over the years. Then there are those that just complain and are not very effective, it’s always somebody else’s fault, even worse they start to suck the positive attitudes out of others and are poison to a team. These people are just passengers in life and to a business and need ditching at the first opportunity.

Fortunately I’m a lot better than I was at employing the former, but the occasional one still slips through the net........ 

Cool answer, it’s interesting. Do these behavioural tendencies correlate with political allegiance or pro/anti Brexit views?

For sure, highly likely with political views, I believe in taking responsibility for your life and improving yourself to be successful, very much tory views.

Pro brexit to some extent, certainly when it comes to wanting us to stick together as a country, be positive and finding a way to make things happen. Ultimately the market nearly always finds a way, who’s going to rise to the challenge and make sure they do their bit and contribute for themselves and the country as a whole?

Starting on the vodkas so might be out for the night soon, see I even learn’t something from you to improve myself further 

[kukushkin88]

Whatever the deal we will need to perform as a country and I'm confident we can. Think I perform even better in adversity actually, just like a lot of Brits. Take Blonde, desperately in need of posts and I can stimulate somebody who keeps their views to themselves to liberally and freely post a whole host of views. Yep consider myself a real Blonde asset. Some people analyse the stats and some people make the stats. But I do understand the wizard-types being afraid of venturing out into the world and dealing with people. Saying stuff like EU leaders such as Macron are "only trying to protect the union" shows a childlike innocence so all the change must be quite scary. 

I wish I could share your confidence mate I really do. Adversity is standard in my job and we usually find a way like you probably do, unfortunately we have too many whiners in this country that would prefer to sit on the sidelines as passengers than crack on with it and find a way to make things to work out in tough spots.

This is meant in a friendly spirit, so please accept it as such. When you write something like this, do you genuinely believe it to be true? If so how did you form this opinion? What did you see? what did you read? what did you experience? etc

I absolutely believe it, I have experienced it all my working life and have 25 years in business and working with people/teams to form it. There are doer’s who just get things done to the best of their ability no matter what the situation, and we have had some tough situations over the years. Then there are those that just complain and are not very effective, it’s always somebody else’s fault, even worse they start to suck the positive attitudes out of others and are poison to a team. These people are just passengers in life and to a business and need ditching at the first opportunity.

Fortunately I’m a lot better than I was at employing the former, but the occasional one still slips through the net........ 

Cool answer, it’s interesting. Do these behavioural tendencies correlate with political allegiance or pro/anti Brexit views?

For sure, highly likely with political views, I believe in taking responsibility for your life and improving yourself to be successful, very much tory views.

Pro brexit to some extent, certainly when it comes to wanting us to stick together as a country, be positive and finding a way to make things happen. Ultimately the market nearly always finds a way, who’s going to rise to the challenge and make sure they do their bit and contribute for themselves and the country as a whole?

Starting on the vodkas so might be out for the night soon, see I even learn’t something from you to improve myself further 

OK, have a good night.

[Tal]

This thread has gone right downhill today.

It's like when Hulk Hogan and Macho Man Randy Savage made up.

[Woodsey]

This thread has gone right downhill today.

It's like when Hulk Hogan and Macho Man Randy Savage made up.

Will likely be pissed later, can come back and cause some chaos if you really want? 

[kukushkin88]

This thread has gone right downhill today.

It's like when Hulk Hogan and Macho Man Randy Savage made up.

:-)

[kukushkin88]

This thread has gone right downhill today.

It's like when Hulk Hogan and Macho Man Randy Savage made up.

:-)

I find almost everything the two of them write offensive, so I doubt it’ll last. It’s more like football in ‘no mans land’ on Christmas Day than Hulk and Randy.

[Woodsey]

This thread has gone right downhill today.

It's like when Hulk Hogan and Macho Man Randy Savage made up.

:-)

I find almost everything the two of them write offensive, so I doubt it’ll last. It’s more like football in ‘no mans land’ on Christmas Day than Hulk and Randy.

Offensive? C’mon man don’t be the snowflake you’re sometimes accused of being........

Sure if I called you an utter c**t that’s offensive, but it’s just a differerent political opinion? C’mon mate......