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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
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« Reply #19680 on: August 12, 2019, 11:07:49 AM »

Sajid Javid: 'Not a single economist thinks there will be a recession.'

National Inst of Econ & Social Research today: "Our latest estimate implies that there is a significant risk that the economy is already in a recession that began in April."
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« Reply #19681 on: August 12, 2019, 11:08:39 AM »

"Mr Johnson’s plot to subvert democracy is more dangerous than Brexit itself"

from the sage Andrew Rawnsley

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/11/boris-johnson-plot-to-subvert-democracy-is-more-dangerous-than-brexit-itself
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« Reply #19682 on: August 12, 2019, 11:10:26 AM »

“A no deal Brexit is the most grotesque act of national self harm committed in peacetime by a British government".

- Lord Heseltine

link to his video interview on Ridge on Sunday

https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1160558465221320705?s=20
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« Reply #19683 on: August 12, 2019, 11:11:21 AM »

Betty Bothroyd meanwhile on the same programme
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« Reply #19684 on: August 12, 2019, 11:11:59 AM »

Former Northern Ireland Secretary tells Crick that troubles in Northern Ireland will return with No Deal Brexit

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/michael-crick-ireland-troubles-no-deal-brexit/
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« Reply #19685 on: August 12, 2019, 11:12:50 AM »

Ireland tells Boris Johnson there will be no backstop renegotiation. Irish government says there is no prospect of rethink in Brexit stalemate

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/11/ireland-tells-boris-johnson-there-will-be-no-backstop-renegotiation


Boris and Varadkhar meet this week
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« Reply #19686 on: August 12, 2019, 11:14:22 AM »

"The backstop is not only anti-democratic, it is a monstrosity that would make us a European colony and quite possibly destroy the Union," writes Nick Timothy

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/11/shelving-backstop-will-not-enough-must-also-avoid-fatal-trap/

(The backstop only kicks in if there is no agreement as to how the border will work. The whole argument from Brexiteers is that such an agreement will be straightforward and definitely happen. So why do they care about the backstop (unless they don’t believe their own position)?
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« Reply #19687 on: August 12, 2019, 11:34:29 AM »

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« Reply #19688 on: August 12, 2019, 11:53:17 AM »

Former Northern Ireland Secretary tells Crick that troubles in Northern Ireland will return with No Deal Brexit

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/michael-crick-ireland-troubles-no-deal-brexit/


I really don't get this shit.

We have several Irish in our office from both sides of the border. Neither see any reason for this. What actually changes to prompt people to want to fight again, after peace for so long.....bar of course the media and remainers actually courting it........
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« Reply #19689 on: August 12, 2019, 12:56:49 PM »

Former Northern Ireland Secretary tells Crick that troubles in Northern Ireland will return with No Deal Brexit

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/michael-crick-ireland-troubles-no-deal-brexit/


I really don't get this shit.

We have several Irish in our office from both sides of the border. Neither see any reason for this. What actually changes to prompt people to want to fight again, after peace for so long.....bar of course the media and remainers actually courting it........

no one is courting it. Plenty of people worried about the risk of troubles re-emerging if the border situation changes.
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« Reply #19690 on: August 12, 2019, 01:13:49 PM »

Former Northern Ireland Secretary tells Crick that troubles in Northern Ireland will return with No Deal Brexit

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/michael-crick-ireland-troubles-no-deal-brexit/


I really don't get this shit.

We have several Irish in our office from both sides of the border. Neither see any reason for this. What actually changes to prompt people to want to fight again, after peace for so long.....bar of course the media and remainers actually courting it........

They already are fighting again - there was violence at Loyalist bonfires last month and two people stabbed at a Republican one on Thursday night.

There are still enough prickly scumbags on both sides to kick it all off again
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« Reply #19691 on: August 12, 2019, 01:30:24 PM »

would be good to get greater detail on exactly why troubles are expected to flare up with a border

The prickly scumbags can just bowl across right now and cause trouble if they wish
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« Reply #19692 on: August 12, 2019, 01:44:35 PM »

I will have a go

As far as the EU is concerned, Northern Ireland is part of the UK. If Britain is left with no-deal after the Brexit deadline passes, Northern Ireland is in the same boat.

The Republic of Ireland are part of the EU in their own right as a sovereign nation. So if Northern Ireland fell back on WTO rules, a new customs barrier would suddenly spring up across the Ireland-Northern Ireland border.

This creates a big issue. The Good Friday Agreement dictates that people and trade must flow freely between Northern and the Republic of Ireland.

A no-deal would break that agreement, and there would suddenly be a more palpable division between the north and south.

The Good Friday Agreement was instrumental in ending the violence in Ireland between Nationalists and Unionists. There are some that fear a customs check could reignite violence as the choice of remaining part of the UK becomes more divisive once again.

The WA "back stop" protected the GFA, much lessened the threat of a resumption of violence and bought time until technology removed the need for a hard border. That technology does not exist yet

In Northern Ireland, the Unionist and Nationalist communities living under the GFA have not integrated, they live in a permanent state of stand-off

I quote from Dearbhail McDonald who said in this article https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/02/british-no-deal-brexit-irish-peace-unity

"What was once an entirely fringe aspiration for nationalists, and a dreaded fear for unionists – each side comforted by the thought that the conversation about unification was decades away – has become an urgent debate for all."

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"Unification without the support of unionists, whose traditions and identity must be protected as part of any shared future, cannot be pursued as a zero-sum game. Otherwise we risk repeating history: the Troubles in reverse. Northern Ireland could not, in its current perilous state, survive either a hard Brexit or a united Ireland. Its communities are suspended in an in-between space, in which they have enjoyed 21 years without violence but have not yet progressed to a positive peace or meaningful integration – a process that takes time and effort to heal wounds."
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« Reply #19693 on: August 12, 2019, 02:08:33 PM »

Comprehensive in explaining past friction and tension between religious groups

What I’m really seeking is why a customs barrier would auto be the catalyst to turn friction into killings in 2019

If we are certain of this I think the EU refusing to budge on trade arrangements is curious. They don’t care if people are killed as long as principals of the union’s trade are upheld?
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« Reply #19694 on: August 12, 2019, 04:24:15 PM »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49321430

Double standard sexist bollocks.

Can you image the outrage if someone suggested an all white men solution?
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