COVID19

[StuartHopkin]

Had half an hour at Grosvenor Nottingham last night

They seemed to have made a good effort, door man ensuring masks worn on entry.

There was a cash game running but I was just there for a blackjack fix.

Seemed acceptable to take your mask off once sat at the table, perspex partitions weren't too much of a hindrance.

Spotted a poor bloke with a table converted into a chip sanitising station.

Scotch still tasted the same

All in all they seemed to be doing a pretty good job, but then I am quite happy with the idea that we need to get back to normal as much as we need to control the infection rate.

Hi Stu.

I don't mean to be pedantic but how can we get back to normal if people are dying all over the place?

Which ever way I phrase that it seems argumentative and abrasive. I don't mean it to be, it's a genuine question.

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People are dying all over the place ? where is this reported ?.. as far as i can tell death rates dont seem to have been reported for a while

No, perhaps I put that badly.

What I mean is if we go back to normal before we get an effective vaccine I think people will start dying as a consequence.

But how long can we wait?

On one hand we have been asked to quote on a 'vaccine trolley' for one of our customers, they are required this year, so that gives you some hope!

On the other hand based on what we read in the papers, it is unlikely any vaccine will be available until well into next year, and then to manufacture enough for everyone could take over a year.

Any restrictions that involve businesses or school's closing can't be sustained for 18 months, so again it is going to have to come down to balance.

[RED-DOG]

Had half an hour at Grosvenor Nottingham last night

They seemed to have made a good effort, door man ensuring masks worn on entry.

There was a cash game running but I was just there for a blackjack fix.

Seemed acceptable to take your mask off once sat at the table, perspex partitions weren't too much of a hindrance.

Spotted a poor bloke with a table converted into a chip sanitising station.

Scotch still tasted the same

All in all they seemed to be doing a pretty good job, but then I am quite happy with the idea that we need to get back to normal as much as we need to control the infection rate.

Hi Stu.

I don't mean to be pedantic but how can we get back to normal if people are dying all over the place?

Which ever way I phrase that it seems argumentative and abrasive. I don't mean it to be, it's a genuine question.

x

Hi Tom

No problem at all, I don't see it as either argumentative or abrasive. I think everyone's view point on this situation differs wildly so always interesting to discuss.

For me it's about balance, I might of worded my original post badly, I didn't mean everything should go completely back to normal.

So firstly as Dean said, people are no longer dying all over the place, there seems to be good evidence from the rest of the EU that the death rate for a second wave isn't going to match that of the first wave. Fingers crossed.

Secondly, I don't think the Government is doing a very good job on this, and I don't think it is at all clear which measures work and which don't.

The original lock down was always stated as ensuring that the NHS were not overwhelmed, currently they aren't, nor does it appear that they will be.

The lockdown has done untold damage on people's financial and mental health so there has to be a balance between getting things back to normal as far as reasonably possible and protecting both the NHS and people who are vulnerable.  

When put like that would you agree there has to be balance and maybe we're just slightly on different sides of the scale, or do you think restrictions should be harsher across the board whatever the cost is to economy etc?

No, I agree with you when you put it like that.

For clarity, I don't think restrictions should be harsher, I just think they should make more sense and be enforced better.

Why are we advised to wear a mask but obviously young healthy people allowed to wander around supermarkets wearing their mask on their neck instead of their face?

Why don't staff have to wear a mask at all?

Why is there a rule of 6 except for pubs, restaurants, etc? I simply don't understand the rule of 6. Two families of 4 can't stop in the street to pass the time of day but two families of 3 can, WTF is the sense in that?

Why do I see large numbers of 14-15yo kids leaving school and walking through the middle of the town en masse?

[the sicilian]

As an aside i have been trying to get my 17 year old a test for the last 24 hours as she has a temp and a cough..the govt site either comes up with its busy or one choice only in a random location miles away

something is seriously amiss here.. it cant just be total incompetence especially as i have been told at the local testing site the testers are just sitting around doing nothing..

is something more sinister afoot here ?

[superwomble]

Had half an hour at Grosvenor Nottingham last night

They seemed to have made a good effort, door man ensuring masks worn on entry.

There was a cash game running but I was just there for a blackjack fix.

Seemed acceptable to take your mask off once sat at the table, perspex partitions weren't too much of a hindrance.

Spotted a poor bloke with a table converted into a chip sanitising station.

Scotch still tasted the same

All in all they seemed to be doing a pretty good job, but then I am quite happy with the idea that we need to get back to normal as much as we need to control the infection rate.

Hi Stu.

I don't mean to be pedantic but how can we get back to normal if people are dying all over the place?

Which ever way I phrase that it seems argumentative and abrasive. I don't mean it to be, it's a genuine question.

x

Hi Tom

No problem at all, I don't see it as either argumentative or abrasive. I think everyone's view point on this situation differs wildly so always interesting to discuss.

For me it's about balance, I might of worded my original post badly, I didn't mean everything should go completely back to normal.

So firstly as Dean said, people are no longer dying all over the place, there seems to be good evidence from the rest of the EU that the death rate for a second wave isn't going to match that of the first wave. Fingers crossed.

Secondly, I don't think the Government is doing a very good job on this, and I don't think it is at all clear which measures work and which don't.

The original lock down was always stated as ensuring that the NHS were not overwhelmed, currently they aren't, nor does it appear that they will be.

The lockdown has done untold damage on people's financial and mental health so there has to be a balance between getting things back to normal as far as reasonably possible and protecting both the NHS and people who are vulnerable.  

When put like that would you agree there has to be balance and maybe we're just slightly on different sides of the scale, or do you think restrictions should be harsher across the board whatever the cost is to economy etc?

No, I agree with you when you put it like that.

For clarity, I don't think restrictions should be harsher, I just think they should make more sense and be enforced better.

Why are we advised to wear a mask but obviously young healthy people allowed to wander around supermarkets wearing their mask on their neck instead of their face?

Why don't staff have to wear a mask at all?

Why is there a rule of 6 except for pubs, restaurants, etc? I simply don't understand the rule of 6. Two families of 4 can't stop in the street to pass the time of day but two families of 3 can, WTF is the sense in that?

Why do I see large numbers of 14-15yo kids leaving school and walking through the middle of the town en masse?

I agree with your points in the main, but the rule of six does apply to pubs etc. which is why I don't see how 7-handed cash games can be allowed in casinos.

[the sicilian]

I think the condradictory and confusing rules are probably the most frustrating thing in all this.

In the beginning i thought the govt done a reasonable job of an impossible task..but recently it just seems they are flapping around knee jerk reacting to every situation.

I still havent worked out why at the very height of the situation we didnt have to wear masks and now when it is at its lowest we do ??

[Marky147]

I think the condradictory and confusing rules are probably the most frustrating thing in all this.

In the beginning i thought the govt done a reasonable job of an impossible task..but recently it just seems they are flapping around knee jerk reacting to every situation.

I still havent worked out why at the very height of the situation we didnt have to wear masks and now when it is at its lowest we do ??

Panicking they were going to run out, the same reason Fauci admitted they did over there?

[Marky147]

One of my best mates has turned into a full blown whackjob over this, don't you do it as well Deano

[the sicilian]

One of my best mates has turned into a full blown whackjob over this, don't you do it as well Deano

Hahahaha dont need covid to achieve that

[Marky147]

One of my best mates has turned into a full blown whackjob over this, don't you do it as well Deano

Hahahaha dont need covid to achieve that

[Jon MW]

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I still havent worked out why at the very height of the situation we didnt have to wear masks and now when it is at its lowest we do ??

When everybody was social distancing and washing their hands, wearing a mask won't make a difference to your chance of catching or giving the infection.

But if they had made mask wearing mandatory, the false sense of security it provided might (probably would) have lead to much fewer people sticking to the rules about social distancing.

Now that less people are sticking to the social distancing rules anyway - that's why masks will help.

[nirvana]

Does anybody on here wear a mask outdoors or in their car on their own ?

Confessions won't be judged

[arbboy]

Does anybody on here wear a mask outdoors or in their car on their own ?

Confessions won't be judged

I only wear a mask when i go food shopping but i would happily not wear one when i do.

[Ironside]

Wearing a mask protects people from you, not you from them. So not wearing a mask is selfish as if you are carrying but unaware of it you can pass it on to others who could be wearing masks.

[Marky147]

I only wear them when I go to the hospital, as that's the only place I go

i've been wearing them in Turkey when moving around the hotel as they're required in common spaces indoors, and in taxis etc.

If I had been wearing one at the hospital, and was driving to the supermarket from there, I wouldn't take it off, as it's pointless removing/replacing it unnecessarily.

Glenn's account been taken over by one of the maga groovy gang lol.

[nirvana]

I only wear them when I go to the hospital, as that's the only place I go

i've been wearing them in Turkey when moving around the hotel as they're required in common spaces indoors, and in taxis etc.

If I had been wearing one at the hospital, and was driving to the supermarket from there, I wouldn't take it off, as it's pointless removing/replacing it unnecessarily.

Glenn's account been taken over by one of the maga groovy gang lol.

Haha. Definitely of that tendency. Been on holiday in the UK this week and although it's small numbers I'm always surprised when people wear masks outdoors. No problem making others feel better by wearing one indoors but the nonsense of pub/ restuarant is OK and supermarket is scary seems silly. Logically pubs restaurants should remain closed but I suppose there's a good argument along the lines that you use mitigations in the max no of places even if that can't include pubs etc