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76  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Asking to see a players hand, is it bad form?? on: August 07, 2012, 09:31:20 PM
To be fair, the person running Star City is just temporary at the moment, I guarantee things will improve within the month!
77  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Asking to see a players hand, is it bad form?? on: August 07, 2012, 08:14:56 PM
tilts me pretty hard when people ask to see my hand, especially when its a guy who probably won't even use that information profitably in any way against me. Its just rude imo
Did I ask to see your hand before. But definatly all of the above will have been correct.

I don't remember it if you did sir.


Also, the most annoying thing is when you call otr and people show you a winning hand and you say 'that's good' then they ask to see your losing hand and what you called with. Could rant all day about this sorta stuff. One of my pet peeves in poker

This is now a rule at Genting casino's where a player can ask to see the losing hand and it will be turned over (ref. Birmingham). THE MOST tilting rule ever imposed.


It certainly shouldn't be??? All gentings should now sing off the same sheet. If you are referring to Star City then a new cardroom manager should be winging his way to you within a couple of weeks
78  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Asking to see a players hand, is it bad form?? on: August 06, 2012, 10:01:59 PM
More so in cash, but check your venues rules before claiming the high ground Smiley
79  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Asking to see a players hand, is it bad form?? on: August 06, 2012, 08:24:25 PM
Caro and Cookes rule explains it more clearly.

Years ago instead of "call" it was usual for the player to say "I'll see you", meaning calling to see the hand, the game has evolved since however.

9.08 REQUESTS TO SEE A CALLED HAND.

Players shall not be entitled to see a called hand except in cases where there is a reasonable suspicion of collusion, in which case the floorperson shall be called over for examination of the called hand. This is contrary to the traditional rule. However the traditional rule, which was designed to prevent collusion, has not served its original purpose. Asking to see called hands slows down the game, causes resentment and impedes action. The right to see a called hand is limited to situations where a floorperson is present for the request. The purpose of this rule is to protect against collusion, not to satisfy a player’s curiosity or get a read on a player’s style of play, or worst of all, to intentionally irritate a player. Abuse of this rule is very bad for poker as it kills action and causes resentment. There is no right to see a called losing hand under any circumstances in head’s up play.
The order of showdown shall be followed, if a player reveals a winning hand outside of the order of showdown any right to request a hand to be shown shall be forfeited.

80  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Asking to see a players hand, is it bad form?? on: August 06, 2012, 07:39:51 PM
Sorry, at work at the moment so will have to be brief.

It depends what rules you use.

Genting as a group should be using TDA rules, which now state;

13: Contested Showdown / Playing the Board
All hole cards must be shown to win a contested showdown even if playing the board.

14: Uncontested Showdown
In a non all-in showdown, when all opponent(s) cards have been mucked without being
revealed, the last live hand wins
. Opponents who muck at showdown without revealing their
hands also lose the right to ask to see the winning hand.

15: Asking to See a Hand
Except where house policy provides an express right to see a hand, asking to see a hand is
a privilege granted at TD’s discretion to protect the integrity of the game (suspicion of invalid
hand, collusion, etc). This privilege is not to be abused.

Therefore if someone open folds on the river to me, there is no way I am showing or expect anyone to show unless collusion is suspected.
(with regards to DTD's ruling, I thought they used TDA rules too???)

81  Poker Forums / Diaries and Blogs / Re: Degenerate Diaries: The Chronicles Pt. 2 on: July 26, 2012, 02:39:28 PM

Wednesday was a nice poker-free day. Just went to the cinema to see Batman. It didn't blow me away

Bit soon lol
82  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: String bets - - - again on: July 25, 2012, 03:56:07 PM
IS IT??! Smiley
83  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: DTD Grand Prix VII: Supersized on: July 25, 2012, 03:02:43 PM
Just as an aside, I visited 3 cardrooms last night and including my own, attendance is down about 25% since Friday. Stokes GPS may suffer a little too. Apart from the first glimpse of summer, it could be the fact it's Ramadan causing lower attendance.
84  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: String bets - - - again on: July 25, 2012, 02:53:47 PM
The only way this is an angle by the op is if he was staring at his opponent and looking for a reaction. Common sense needs to be applied, if the clear intention is to raise what is in hand and it is in one motion (i.e. not hesitating deliberately or going back to his stack).

UK TD's and dealers should understand the string bet, and not listen to angle shooting twats that are always calling for string bets because they want to remain in the pot cheaper.
85  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Ruling on: July 24, 2012, 08:38:57 PM
I would just stand there laughing whilst the hand plays out to the remaining players (or in this case give the blinds to the player still with cards), then wait for the 3 people that said they folded aces to beat the crap out of the player that called misdeal Smiley
86  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: DTD Grand Prix VII: Supersized on: July 21, 2012, 07:43:28 AM
The €200,000 guaranteed Grand Prix starts this Saturday at 5pm with 7 Day 1's and a buy in of €120 via your online account or £100 over the counter at the club,

DTD need 2000 entries to hit the guarantee

You sure?? I got 1667 if you paid in Euro's and 1570 if you paid in pounds? :/

87  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Another interesting ruling from WSOP on: July 16, 2012, 09:44:35 PM
The second offence is definitely a penalty as he has exposed his cards with a player to act. Not only would he get a penalty for this offence, I would be having a word in his shell about his over enthusiasm. In both cases if he had waited for the dealer he wouldn't be in this situation. I would be making sure that I have explained clearly that his over enthusiasm may cost him his tournament life if it is done again.
88  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Another interesting ruling from WSOP on: July 16, 2012, 07:44:20 PM
I must be wrong then

I'd expect a bit more from someone who advertises card room manager in their signature. How would you now rule, giving the opinions expressed here?

LOL Exactly the same as Jack Effel as I think I have explained
89  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Another interesting ruling from WSOP on: July 16, 2012, 07:31:14 PM
I must be wrong then
90  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Another interesting ruling from WSOP on: July 16, 2012, 06:28:39 PM
Her action had been taken away from her, she wasn't given the opportunity to make the call.

It may appear fair to the guy making the mistake, but it was the complete opposite to the utg.

She was also not given the opportunity to fold to the all-in.
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