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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
Conservative - 19 (33.9%)
Labour - 12 (21.4%)
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« Reply #17040 on: April 02, 2019, 05:58:20 AM »

By any reasonable measure, it is pretty outrageous that MP’s could back a Norway style deal.

Freedom of movement still allowed? Really Huh??

There is no regard in Parliament for the will of the people - people voted for Brexit for control of our own destiny, our own borders, our own laws.

No one voted for Brexit expecting a deal to involve continued freedom of movement, in fact, both main parties agreed to end it.

As usual it’s the political elite saying fuck you to voters. We’ll do what we want, not what you voted for.



I missed the referendum where people had so much choice - didn't people just vote to leave?

You think people that voted to leave wanted to retain EU controls/law making?

They voted to leave and that clearly involved ending freedom of movement. The polls indicated that was what people wanted and the main stream parties adopted that policy. There really wasn’t any grey area in that respect.

Every person that voted leave that I have spoken to was clear that us taking control was what they wanted.

The idea that free movement of people should be an option beggars belief.



Many people, such as Jacob Rees-Mogg (for example) have long had a problem with Parliamentary sovereignty being replaced by EU sovereignty - that's why a lot of people voted leave.

I just had a look at opinion polls - they suggest that half* of those who voted for leave did so because of immigration.

So if less than 9 million people have a problem with freedom of movement in the EU and well over 50 million people don't - to me that doesn't seem too unreasonable for it to be an option.


*about 48% mentioned it - only about a third said it was the important reason.
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« Reply #17041 on: April 02, 2019, 08:00:18 AM »

By any reasonable measure, it is pretty outrageous that MP’s could back a Norway style deal.

Freedom of movement still allowed? Really Huh??

There is no regard in Parliament for the will of the people - people voted for Brexit for control of our own destiny, our own borders, our own laws.

No one voted for Brexit expecting a deal to involve continued freedom of movement, in fact, both main parties agreed to end it.

As usual it’s the political elite saying fuck you to voters. We’ll do what we want, not what you voted for.



I missed the referendum where people had so much choice - didn't people just vote to leave?

You think people that voted to leave wanted to retain EU controls/law making?

They voted to leave and that clearly involved ending freedom of movement. The polls indicated that was what people wanted and the main stream parties adopted that policy. There really wasn’t any grey area in that respect.

Every person that voted leave that I have spoken to was clear that us taking control was what they wanted.

The idea that free movement of people should be an option beggars belief.



Many people, such as Jacob Rees-Mogg (for example) have long had a problem with Parliamentary sovereignty being replaced by EU sovereignty - that's why a lot of people voted leave.

I just had a look at opinion polls - they suggest that half* of those who voted for leave did so because of immigration.

So if less than 9 million people have a problem with freedom of movement in the EU and well over 50 million people don't - to me that doesn't seem too unreasonable for it to be an option.


*about 48% mentioned it - only about a third said it was the important reason.

Opinion polls show that around 70% of the whole population think that immigration has been too high and should be reduced/controlled.

That’s the reason why both parties adopted policies to end unlimited freedom of movement.

I have no problem with controlled immigration on our terms for the good of our country. Uncontrolled freedom of movement is not what people want and should not be an option for MPs in Brexit votes.
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« Reply #17042 on: April 02, 2019, 08:17:14 AM »

When people mention polls be back up their arguement can we get a link or reference to the poll? It completely invalidates using it as evidence if you don’t.
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« Reply #17043 on: April 02, 2019, 09:12:12 AM »

By any reasonable measure, it is pretty outrageous that MP’s could back a Norway style deal.

Freedom of movement still allowed? Really Huh??

There is no regard in Parliament for the will of the people - people voted for Brexit for control of our own destiny, our own borders, our own laws.

No one voted for Brexit expecting a deal to involve continued freedom of movement, in fact, both main parties agreed to end it.

As usual it’s the political elite saying fuck you to voters. We’ll do what we want, not what you voted for.



I missed the referendum where people had so much choice - didn't people just vote to leave?

You think people that voted to leave wanted to retain EU controls/law making?

They voted to leave and that clearly involved ending freedom of movement. The polls indicated that was what people wanted and the main stream parties adopted that policy. There really wasn’t any grey area in that respect.

Every person that voted leave that I have spoken to was clear that us taking control was what they wanted.

The idea that free movement of people should be an option beggars belief.



Many people, such as Jacob Rees-Mogg (for example) have long had a problem with Parliamentary sovereignty being replaced by EU sovereignty - that's why a lot of people voted leave.

I just had a look at opinion polls - they suggest that half* of those who voted for leave did so because of immigration.

So if less than 9 million people have a problem with freedom of movement in the EU and well over 50 million people don't - to me that doesn't seem too unreasonable for it to be an option.


*about 48% mentioned it - only about a third said it was the important reason.

Opinion polls show that around 70% of the whole population think that immigration has been too high and should be reduced/controlled.

That’s the reason why both parties adopted policies to end unlimited freedom of movement.

I have no problem with controlled immigration on our terms for the good of our country. Uncontrolled freedom of movement is not what people want and should not be an option for MPs in Brexit votes.

Disagree in the sense that is a simplistic gross exaggeration.

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« Reply #17044 on: April 02, 2019, 09:32:53 AM »

When people mention polls be back up their arguement can we get a link or reference to the poll? It completely invalidates using it as evidence if you don’t.

Of course - wikipedia report on it rather than directly but I'd assume the editors would fix it if it didn't match

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_vote_in_favour_of_Brexit#Immigration
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« Reply #17045 on: April 02, 2019, 11:20:14 AM »

By any reasonable measure, it is pretty outrageous that MP’s could back a Norway style deal.

Freedom of movement still allowed? Really Huh??

There is no regard in Parliament for the will of the people - people voted for Brexit for control of our own destiny, our own borders, our own laws.

No one voted for Brexit expecting a deal to involve continued freedom of movement, in fact, both main parties agreed to end it.

As usual it’s the political elite saying fuck you to voters. We’ll do what we want, not what you voted for.



Your recollection is very different to mine in terms of the type of Brexit I anticipated at the referendum.  I remember plenty of discussion prior to the vote that the referendum didn't specify anything about the type of exit that we'd undertake, and that this was a significant weakness of it.

That has certainly proved to be the case.
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« Reply #17046 on: April 02, 2019, 11:56:20 AM »

By any reasonable measure, it is pretty outrageous that MP’s could back a Norway style deal.

Freedom of movement still allowed? Really Huh??

There is no regard in Parliament for the will of the people - people voted for Brexit for control of our own destiny, our own borders, our own laws.

No one voted for Brexit expecting a deal to involve continued freedom of movement, in fact, both main parties agreed to end it.

As usual it’s the political elite saying fuck you to voters. We’ll do what we want, not what you voted for.



I missed the referendum where people had so much choice - didn't people just vote to leave?

You think people that voted to leave wanted to retain EU controls/law making?

They voted to leave and that clearly involved ending freedom of movement. The polls indicated that was what people wanted and the main stream parties adopted that policy. There really wasn’t any grey area in that respect.

Every person that voted leave that I have spoken to was clear that us taking control was what they wanted.

The idea that free movement of people should be an option beggars belief.



Many people, such as Jacob Rees-Mogg (for example) have long had a problem with Parliamentary sovereignty being replaced by EU sovereignty - that's why a lot of people voted leave.

I just had a look at opinion polls - they suggest that half* of those who voted for leave did so because of immigration.

So if less than 9 million people have a problem with freedom of movement in the EU and well over 50 million people don't - to me that doesn't seem too unreasonable for it to be an option.


*about 48% mentioned it - only about a third said it was the important reason.

Opinion polls show that around 70% of the whole population think that immigration has been too high and should be reduced/controlled.

That’s the reason why both parties adopted policies to end unlimited freedom of movement.

I have no problem with controlled immigration on our terms for the good of our country. Uncontrolled freedom of movement is not what people want and should not be an option for MPs in Brexit votes.

There's no such thing as uncontrolled freedom of movement.
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« Reply #17047 on: April 02, 2019, 12:04:21 PM »

By any reasonable measure, it is pretty outrageous that MP’s could back a Norway style deal.

Freedom of movement still allowed? Really Huh??

There is no regard in Parliament for the will of the people - people voted for Brexit for control of our own destiny, our own borders, our own laws.

No one voted for Brexit expecting a deal to involve continued freedom of movement, in fact, both main parties agreed to end it.

As usual it’s the political elite saying fuck you to voters. We’ll do what we want, not what you voted for.



I missed the referendum where people had so much choice - didn't people just vote to leave?

You think people that voted to leave wanted to retain EU controls/law making?

They voted to leave and that clearly involved ending freedom of movement. The polls indicated that was what people wanted and the main stream parties adopted that policy. There really wasn’t any grey area in that respect.

Every person that voted leave that I have spoken to was clear that us taking control was what they wanted.

The idea that free movement of people should be an option beggars belief.



Many people, such as Jacob Rees-Mogg (for example) have long had a problem with Parliamentary sovereignty being replaced by EU sovereignty - that's why a lot of people voted leave.

I just had a look at opinion polls - they suggest that half* of those who voted for leave did so because of immigration.

So if less than 9 million people have a problem with freedom of movement in the EU and well over 50 million people don't - to me that doesn't seem too unreasonable for it to be an option.


*about 48% mentioned it - only about a third said it was the important reason.

Opinion polls show that around 70% of the whole population think that immigration has been too high and should be reduced/controlled.

That’s the reason why both parties adopted policies to end unlimited freedom of movement.

I have no problem with controlled immigration on our terms for the good of our country. Uncontrolled freedom of movement is not what people want and should not be an option for MPs in Brexit votes.

There's no such thing as uncontrolled freedom of movement.


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« Reply #17048 on: April 02, 2019, 12:09:24 PM »

Hahaha, sadly not.
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« Reply #17049 on: April 02, 2019, 07:44:14 PM »

7 hours of cabinet meetings for that?!
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« Reply #17050 on: April 02, 2019, 08:57:01 PM »

Boris: saviour of the nation in-waiting or thundering cocksocket?
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« Reply #17051 on: April 02, 2019, 08:59:02 PM »

By any reasonable measure, it is pretty outrageous that MP’s could back a Norway style deal.

Freedom of movement still allowed? Really Huh??

There is no regard in Parliament for the will of the people - people voted for Brexit for control of our own destiny, our own borders, our own laws.

No one voted for Brexit expecting a deal to involve continued freedom of movement, in fact, both main parties agreed to end it.

As usual it’s the political elite saying fuck you to voters. We’ll do what we want, not what you voted for.



I missed the referendum where people had so much choice - didn't people just vote to leave?

You think people that voted to leave wanted to retain EU controls/law making?

They voted to leave and that clearly involved ending freedom of movement. The polls indicated that was what people wanted and the main stream parties adopted that policy. There really wasn’t any grey area in that respect.

Every person that voted leave that I have spoken to was clear that us taking control was what they wanted.

The idea that free movement of people should be an option beggars belief.



Many people, such as Jacob Rees-Mogg (for example) have long had a problem with Parliamentary sovereignty being replaced by EU sovereignty - that's why a lot of people voted leave.

I just had a look at opinion polls - they suggest that half* of those who voted for leave did so because of immigration.

So if less than 9 million people have a problem with freedom of movement in the EU and well over 50 million people don't - to me that doesn't seem too unreasonable for it to be an option.


*about 48% mentioned it - only about a third said it was the important reason.

Hey mate, how do you arrive at a figure of 50m don’t have a problem with freedom of movement?

You saying if they didn’t offer an opinion you’re going to give them one? Hmmm.
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« Reply #17052 on: April 02, 2019, 09:41:28 PM »

Boris: saviour of the nation in-waiting or thundering cocksocket?

The tories hit on the only way to ensure a bigger shambles.
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« Reply #17053 on: April 02, 2019, 10:05:55 PM »

By any reasonable measure, it is pretty outrageous that MP’s could back a Norway style deal.

Freedom of movement still allowed? Really Huh??

There is no regard in Parliament for the will of the people - people voted for Brexit for control of our own destiny, our own borders, our own laws.

No one voted for Brexit expecting a deal to involve continued freedom of movement, in fact, both main parties agreed to end it.

As usual it’s the political elite saying fuck you to voters. We’ll do what we want, not what you voted for.



I missed the referendum where people had so much choice - didn't people just vote to leave?

You think people that voted to leave wanted to retain EU controls/law making?

They voted to leave and that clearly involved ending freedom of movement. The polls indicated that was what people wanted and the main stream parties adopted that policy. There really wasn’t any grey area in that respect.

Every person that voted leave that I have spoken to was clear that us taking control was what they wanted.

The idea that free movement of people should be an option beggars belief.



Many people, such as Jacob Rees-Mogg (for example) have long had a problem with Parliamentary sovereignty being replaced by EU sovereignty - that's why a lot of people voted leave.

I just had a look at opinion polls - they suggest that half* of those who voted for leave did so because of immigration.

So if less than 9 million people have a problem with freedom of movement in the EU and well over 50 million people don't - to me that doesn't seem too unreasonable for it to be an option.


*about 48% mentioned it - only about a third said it was the important reason.

Opinion polls show that around 70% of the whole population think that immigration has been too high and should be reduced/controlled.

That’s the reason why both parties adopted policies to end unlimited freedom of movement.

I have no problem with controlled immigration on our terms for the good of our country. Uncontrolled freedom of movement is not what people want and should not be an option for MPs in Brexit votes.

There's no such thing as uncontrolled freedom of movement.

OK, there has been from within the EU.
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« Reply #17054 on: April 02, 2019, 10:06:52 PM »

By any reasonable measure, it is pretty outrageous that MP’s could back a Norway style deal.

Freedom of movement still allowed? Really Huh??

There is no regard in Parliament for the will of the people - people voted for Brexit for control of our own destiny, our own borders, our own laws.

No one voted for Brexit expecting a deal to involve continued freedom of movement, in fact, both main parties agreed to end it.

As usual it’s the political elite saying fuck you to voters. We’ll do what we want, not what you voted for.



I missed the referendum where people had so much choice - didn't people just vote to leave?

You think people that voted to leave wanted to retain EU controls/law making?

They voted to leave and that clearly involved ending freedom of movement. The polls indicated that was what people wanted and the main stream parties adopted that policy. There really wasn’t any grey area in that respect.

Every person that voted leave that I have spoken to was clear that us taking control was what they wanted.

The idea that free movement of people should be an option beggars belief.



Many people, such as Jacob Rees-Mogg (for example) have long had a problem with Parliamentary sovereignty being replaced by EU sovereignty - that's why a lot of people voted leave.

I just had a look at opinion polls - they suggest that half* of those who voted for leave did so because of immigration.

So if less than 9 million people have a problem with freedom of movement in the EU and well over 50 million people don't - to me that doesn't seem too unreasonable for it to be an option.


*about 48% mentioned it - only about a third said it was the important reason.

Hey mate, how do you arrive at a figure of 50m don’t have a problem with freedom of movement?

You saying if they didn’t offer an opinion you’re going to give them one? Hmmm.

Okay then - strictly speaking the polling shows less than 9 million people have a problem with freedom of movement and slightly more than that say they don't; and of the remaining 50ish million people the majority either don't care enough to want to leave the EU about it  or think that the benefit of staying in the EU outweighs the issue anyway.

Maybe that's slightly more nuanced than who cares and who doesn't - but I don't really see how it changes the argument.

Less than 9 million people out of a population of over 66 million think it's important - still doesn't seem overly outrageous for it to be up for debate.
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