Reasons why I ask is it worth it?

[Skgv]

This is the real world an its general knoledge that most of the old school money was never legally earnt that circulated the poker world ! But instead now its stolen from each other an there is the cirlce of life. But for some reason stealing money dosnt go punished nowadys an honsety means nothing! Stealing is stealing an maybe we are too soft in the western world an maybe losing a finger would make people realise that its wrong!

the first two lines of this remind me of eddie temples "layer cake" speech

dont get the joke buddy !

[action man]

theres no joke, u ever seen layer cake?

[Royal Flush]

Marc i really don't care much about what's happened but you owe a friend of mine some money, she is not a poker player, she can not afford to go without this money for as long as the tournament regs, i hope you do the right thing and get her money back to her ASAP. It's not a lot but its a lot to her.

[Longy]

FWIW
i thought i would put my thoughts

Marc is no question a very talented poker player. Most of you posting on here would love to be within 50% as good as him at  tournament poker  I'm sure .
Arrogant , obnoxious , outspoken , cocky , and probably this is because he's way too young to have won so much money.He obviously hasn't the wise years of  experience to respect it . Easy come easy go !
He's been stupid with his winnings. Yes both as a player and a backer too.He thought he could gamble his way out of a very ridiculous situation he got himself into considering how much money he has won playing mostly online poker .  
However ,the posters on  this forum and 2+2 need to appreciate just how it feels to win and then gamble away at least over £300k . I suggest almost all of you will have no idea whatsoever.
Gambling on horses , roulette , sports betting on betfair ,poker ,flips for £1k .Winning huge sums makes you feel invincible . Ego overload !

He's not a bad person so lets end the witch hunt eh.

Marc please take some advise from some one twice your age who knows .
 
1.Pay em all back with interest and an apology as soon as you can .
2.Just stick to tournament poker
3.Don't post antagonising crap on poker forums or in poker chat rooms
4. Enjoy the money when you win again instead of degenerate gambling it all away.
5. Your friends will be friends whether you are broke or rolling in it. There's no need to buy people or try to impress.

And finally fwiw i would back you all day long for  tournament poker if i was rolled enough but that don't mean i wanna be your mate : )
 

LOL, it gets funnier by the minute............tell the folk he owes 40K to that he's not a bad person!

In the words of Littlejohn....'you couldn't make this up' !

Did you really quote Richard Littlejohn? Hahahahahahahaha

[kinboshi]

once i was skint marc sent £300 to my bank and told me to get train to, his. he bought the food all week i was there, and bought all the drinks on a night out.
Not condoning whats hes done, but he was very generous to his mates when he had money.

Like Blatch was you mean?

Exactly the same. It seems to be the standard MO of a scammer/grimmer.  Massive acts of generosity, followed by the grimming.  I don't think it's a calculated act (at least not all the time), it's just part of their nature.  To their friends they appear to be 'true' friends, generous with both time and money.  It seems as though this is key to their 'success'.

I mean, you wouldn't just hand money over to someone you couldn't stand and had absolutely no feelings of friendship or loyalty towards.

[DaveShoelace]

This is the real world an its general knoledge that most of the old school money was never legally earnt that circulated the poker world ! But instead now its stolen from each other an there is the cirlce of life. But for some reason stealing money dosnt go punished nowadys an honsety means nothing! Stealing is stealing an maybe we are too soft in the western world an maybe losing a finger would make people realise that its wrong!

This.

Grimming in poker is like steroids in sport, publicly shunned but much more rife and accepted within the game than you would think at first. Grimming stories never shock me (bar Blatch) but the regularity of them recently has.

Because a grand to a poker player represents a number of buyins/equity/a GUKPT rather than a way to pay the bills, we are too quick to dismiss grimmers as an occupational hazard, it certainly would not be accepted in any other walk of life. Time and time again poker players will actually advocate the grimmer 'play their way' out of the trouble which demonstrates just how detached we are from the money thats been taken from us (In fact a judge in Mexico or someink has ordered someone to play poker to avoid jail right now). The fact that RiverDave can claim he didn't grim, it was a spin up gone bad, shows he has no comprehension of what he has done.

Its also way to easy for people to play the grimmer 'has a gambling problem, needs help' card, not just the grimmers themselves, the friends too. I think people would prefer to believe someone has a gambling problem than having so little respect for them they would betray and exploit them. Most of the grimmers who get rumbled will very quickly say 'Im gonna get help' as a knee jerk reaction but do they mean it? RiverDave clearly didnt when he said it on another thread,  because he is having a right laugh on this one. I'm not sure if Blatch has actually got help yet, but the fact he got bailed out so quickly probably means he has learnt very little from the whole thing. I cant help but think that a grimmer will be thinking along the lines of 'I'll try and spin this money up and if it doesnt work, I will claim I am going to get professional help'.

Basically its just way to easy for a thief to hide behind a perceived gambling problem.

I don't know much about the Marc situation, my comments are on grimming in general, what I will say is pretty evident from all this is he cares way more about how is perceived as a player than how he conducts himself as a person. Even when he is coming clean he is reminding us what a talented player he is and wondering where his next backer is coming from, when that should be the last thing on his mind if he is truly sorry.

[Matt.NFFC.]

Reading this, I'm almost certain he is not sorry, but merely trying to protect his image for future backing.

[The Camel]

Reading this, I'm almost certain he is not sorry, but merely trying to protect his image for future backing.

I pretty much believe Marc's post and still wish him well for the future.

However, I would never for one moment consider staking him or lending him money after this incident.

Surely only a complete idiot would have serious financial dealings with him from now on.

[Whollyflush]

Reading this, I'm almost certain he is not sorry, but merely trying to protect his image for future backing.

this

[NigDawG]

i find it hard to believe if he doesn't know if he is in profit from staking because two of his horses won him over $100,000 profit alone

i guess he was staking several other people that nobody knew about for big losses too to come up with a $35k make up figure that's still outstanding

[treefella]

 Just to clarify.. in no way am i condoning what Marc has done . Its just sad to see such a talented player resort to such deeds because of an obvious gambling problem.

Skgv's comments with regard to the public accepting theft and seeing it go unpunished in our western society grates me too,as do many crimes that could be deterred by much harsher punishments.
Seeing as im extremely proficient  with an axe  , would i be asked to chop off the offending persons fingers ? lol
Severe punishment for a poker player for obvious reasons .
Hardly crime of the century here me thinks .
However i would gladly do the honour of chopping to some of the greedy thieving scumbags in this world. Like bankers,insurance directors, muggers,etc
Not to mention child molesters and the like  : )  

[The Camel]

This is the real world an its general knoledge that most of the old school money was never legally earnt that circulated the poker world ! But instead now its stolen from each other an there is the cirlce of life. But for some reason stealing money dosnt go punished nowadys an honsety means nothing! Stealing is stealing an maybe we are too soft in the western world an maybe losing a finger would make people realise that its wrong!

This.

Grimming in poker is like steroids in sport, publicly shunned but much more rife and accepted within the game than you would think at first. Grimming stories never shock me (bar Blatch) but the regularity of them recently has.

Because a grand to a poker player represents a number of buyins/equity/a GUKPT rather than a way to pay the bills, we are too quick to dismiss grimmers as an occupational hazard, it certainly would not be accepted in any other walk of life. Time and time again poker players will actually advocate the grimmer 'play their way' out of the trouble which demonstrates just how detached we are from the money thats been taken from us (In fact a judge in Mexico or someink has ordered someone to play poker to avoid jail right now). The fact that RiverDave can claim he didn't grim, it was a spin up gone bad, shows he has no comprehension of what he has done.

Its also way to easy for people to play the grimmer 'has a gambling problem, needs help' card, not just the grimmers themselves, the friends too. I think people would prefer to believe someone has a gambling problem than having so little respect for them they would betray and exploit them. Most of the grimmers who get rumbled will very quickly say 'Im gonna get help' as a knee jerk reaction but do they mean it? RiverDave clearly didnt when he said it on another thread,  because he is having a right laugh on this one. I'm not sure if Blatch has actually got help yet, but the fact he got bailed out so quickly probably means he has learnt very little from the whole thing. I cant help but think that a grimmer will be thinking along the lines of 'I'll try and spin this money up and if it doesnt work, I will claim I am going to get professional help'.

Basically its just way to easy for a thief to hide behind a perceived gambling problem.

I don't know much about the Marc situation, my comments are on grimming in general, what I will say is pretty evident from all this is he cares way more about how is perceived as a player than how he conducts himself as a person. Even when he is coming clean he is reminding us what a talented player he is and wondering where his next backer is coming from, when that should be the last thing on his mind if he is truly sorry.

This is a really god post Barry. Very thought provoking.

"Grimming" didn't have a name in the old days. And it was slightly different too. Staking was pretty much unheard of pre internet poker days. If there was staking it was on a one off.. I buy you into this tournament and I get 50% of the winnings basis. It pretty much only happened if you had a mate who was skint and you were doing him a favour. Makeup was totally unheard of.

Grimming would have been lending someone money and not getting paid back. So the figures involved were usually far less than some of the mind boggling amounts being stolen today (when someone wins  tournament for thousands and spunks it away before the backer gets his share). You would only lend someone money you were prepared to go without for a little while. Also, it was very rare for someone to totally go missing, there were so few places to play poker, if someone owed you money, they were pretty much bound to turn up at the casino you always played sooner or later. Whereas now, he can just play on a different site under a new name and the people owed money know nothing about it.

The other main difference is the internet forums like this. Marc would have been able to keep a lid on this stuff pre internet days. If anyone started getting agitated or noisy he would have been paid off first. But now, you screw/upset the wrong person, posts start appearing on internet poker forums and your reputation is suddenly in ruins. I'm sure some grimming stories are blown out of all proportion purely to hurt individuals.

[gouty]

this is the best forum ever. what a bunch of degens and interesting reading.

have the police been informed?

[NoflopsHomer]

Dreenie has made some funny posts, to the point i laughed wne i wrote them, i think its none of ur business, i owe u not a penny, and u posting here is making urself look really petty. I think u should sort urself out before u wana have a go at me.

Yes Dreenie, how dare you come here and warn people of a scammer! Do you have no shame?

[GreekStein]

Apologies for the long post coming, but it's all thread worthy and may give people more of an understanding of Marc Wright / Railtard1.

Keith - there are several things in Marc's post that appear to be honest and several things that don't make sense so just take it with a lot of caution. There are also masses of entirely relevant things that are ommitted.

I'll try and highlight the things that I know of, some of them from personal experience, some through conversations with others.

There are also several things that are exaggerated to make Marc appear in a better light. (For example where he mentions we parted whilst I was a 'coupla K in makeup'). Marc knows full well my makeup wasn't a coupla K. It had just gone over $1k (Marc had made more than this in profit from me too fwiw) and I went up to DTD with Rookie to play the £300 + £150 at DTD. It was agreed with Marc that I would play these on makeup and he would ship me the money. Despite several calls, messages and conversations Marc still had not sent me the money after I'd busted the first comp. I eventually got this in full (obv late) but it was an absolute headache for me to repeatedly chase. After I busted the £150 Marc again didn't transfer me dollars, which he should have done, and had plenty of time to do prior to the event. I also used to bust his balls over this sort of stuff because I knew he never acted in the proper way. While his excuses would be 'too many tables - will do it after session etc' he was more than able to keep loading up $200-500+ super turbos yet couldn't load his cashier. Paying back money was always something he delayed at and was terrible at even when he had it. It confused myself and many others who knew him as to why.

I had decided that I was going to try and get out of makeup and end things with Marc as soon as I could after Mike Millar came to me and told me that Marc still owed him money from the Irish Open months before. At the time I considered myself mutual between the two and offered to mediate the problem. Marc told me his side and I listened. Meanwhile Mike provided me the log in to his own facebook account where I looked through message exchanges between the two. It seemed clear Marc owed Mike 65% of the action rather than the 35% he claimed. (Note: Marc had not even paid Mike the 35% he claimed he had before the event had started and still has not paid it).

When Marc had not transferred me money from the £150 I said, I don’t mind if you don’t send and we can end things now as Marc had also stated his intentions to me to get out of backing. (I have some of these msn conversations saved). Marc agreed and we parted ways.

I was aware that Marc had some issues with Jon Eames and Matt Perrins before I got involved with him although I don’t know the latter two well and accepted Marc’s story that it was all a misunderstanding whilst they were all drunk. Marc had mentioned to me that he’d changed and was trying to build a respectable reputation and put things like that behind him.

Separately, when not many other people would, Toby showed faith in Marc and began backing him. Whilst Toby was on a plane journey back from somewhere (maybe Australia?) Marc  won a like $40k in a $1k f/o that I’m pretty sure was Toby’s money, or would have been if Marc hadn’t cashed. Anyway, Toby lands and Marc claims he took the shot on his own money.

Marc also had a $14k bink (that was all makeup paid to Toby) and claims this account was then blocked by Stars on his DDfromDS account. I simply don’t believe this. I think Marc either lost that money or used it for himself. If he can provide emails to back up what he claims about this then fine, otherwise I simply don’t believe it. If the account was genuinely locked by stars, his actions in trying to resolve the matter were almost non-existant which is completely unacceptable considering he was meant to have $14k of a backer’s money in there.

Here is another post from someone marc had previous with. Many people will know Steve Ducharme (post 54).  http://www.pocketfives.com/f7/railtard1-ddfromds-scammer-595030/index2.html

So these stories of generosity (the one where he helped Trigg out, or where he bought Toby a watch) weren’t really acts of friendship and he used money I’d class as ‘dirty’ to be able to do this. After all, he needed to be able to keep some people on side, which in retrospect was probably part of  his reason for backing a big mouth like me who likes things to be as they should in the poker world. I also can’t understand how he lost from staking when he had so many huge binks through people he staked.

Finally, the reason Marc lives in Cornwall is because he screwed a lot of people over where he lived previously and moved away with his brother. He stole from his friends/family too some ago.

So, I’ve seen some good in Marc but his lying and devious ways have gone on for YEARS. Don’t be fooled by any of it.

Until he pays everyone back and gets professional help, I would urge people to bare this stuff in mind.

There may be a few tiny holes in this, but only because I’ve written it as quickly as possible during my lunch break but I’m happy to elaborate on other things and try and fill people in on any points.

Cos

(I’m from the internets)