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This little gem seems like an appropriate topic to kick off the new season thread.  I'm sure we won't be hearing about it much over the coming weeks.

Tebow signed by the Patriots!!!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000210586/article/tim-tebow-to-sign-with-new-england-patriots-play-qb

Will he make the final roster?
Will he take a snap during the season?
Will this thread top the 818 pages of last season?

I'm confident of a 'yes' answer to one of the above.

Should be comedy with belicheck dealing with the media circus around tebow. I don't see him taking Brady in and out of plays/ drives to try something funky so not sure how this going to work.

Was to good see the dolphins take some risks in the off season and actually try to get a winning team together. Truth it is boom or bust for the gm jeff Ireland this season and he has to get a winning team on the field or he is done. All depends on if tannehill progresses from his promising rookie season IMO.

Team I most excited about is the eagles due to my man crush on chip kelly. It sounds like he is running practices like he did it oregon, I think we will see some kind of hybrid of what he ran in college but looks we are gong to see the break neck speed offence he is famous for. In fact the whole of NFC east is even more fascinating than usual.

Fuck the general discussion thread, where's the Fantasy Football thread?

I was trying to get past page 1 before advertising began! :)

I can't get my head around the Tebow selection. Is Bellichek buying him so no one else can?

He can't surely be more likely to take a snap now than he was last year?

Tebow could be a good back up tight end to cover any often injured starters, maybe important for the Pats?

Yeah would think they put him in at TE

"Draft Day" is a film being released this year with Kevin Costner

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2223990/

Arian Foster plays the top RB in the draft, and it follows the day itself etc etc

Jennifer garner plays the Cleveland Browns capologist who runs the draft for them, here she is on set

(http://media1.onsugar.com/files/2013/05/20/960/n/1922398/3768d234144225b8_psjen_.preview/i/Jennifer-Garner-Draft-Day-Set-Pictures.jpg)

Should be fun

Hernandez released by patriots after the arrest!

Think I'll leave him off my fantasy team this season.

might be forced into taking him still, rumors going around that sheriff is making it a 4 TE league this time.

never ceases to amaze me how stupid some of these players can be, what a waste.

The prosecution case is he executed Lloyd because he talked to the wrong people and disrespected him.

That's worth spending the rest of life in prison for, can't be disrespected.

haha, when is the thread going up?

ESPN highlighting just how short pats are now for TEs. It's incredible, really, compared to a year ago.

Would dolphins be worthy of consideration for the division? They look to my ice cream eyes to be the second best team in the AFC East (sigh) and improvements make them a genuine threat. Tannehill looks the real deal.

They easily are the second best team. I don't think it's crazy to say they have a shot at the division.

It all depends on the Patriots WRs like if Amendola can keep fit etc.

Not sure on Tannehill being the real deal though!

I think so too

Pats going to be fine with Brady/serviceable WRs and if Chandler Jones gets his 10 sacks plus.

Miami steady at worst, gradually retooling the roster and should be 8-8 at worst, maybe a 9-7 type team

Jets seem to be in chaos. Ryan is still telling people Sanchez is the starter, and this can't see them that competitive even though they have drafted some offensive talent

In Buffalo the signs are that they will at last make CJ Spiller the 20 carry a game back he deserves to be, and they have all the names of defense but too much of leap of faith for me with a rookie QB to say they'll compete for the diviusion

Don't really see a suplerbowl contender in the division though

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Opinions please

Is the Shahid Khan move for Fulham likely to be related to the Jags franchise being moved to London? is Khan's ownership tied to Jacksonville?

If the Jags are moved to London could the home ground really be Wembley? or is it likely to be somewhere smaller? cheaper?

NFL people reckon Jacksonville in London is at least a decade away.

So whilst Fulham might be connected, its more likely to be a stand alone transaction

Obviously in the Premier League the owners of the Rams and the Bucs have teams, and Jacksonville outdrew the Bucs in attendances during 2011 and 2012, which is interesting


I think you'll see a team in LA again first, that major US market really needs a team and the TV companies would love to see a team in LA again

Is there scope to add two teams or would LA and London have to mean another city losing its franchise?

Most likely one or both would move

Jacksonville, Rams etc etc

Basically teams from either a) a small market or b) stadium or ownership concerns

Buffalo to Toronto is another one that crops up


Expansion teams are fun though, ie a new team (Houston Texans the last one)

they get the number one pick in the draft for the first two years and every other team has to offer them three players from their roster (and they often dump high salary and big names this way)

fans can then play fantasy GM alongside the new team as they work to build a team up from scratch

Ah - thought Texans used to be the Oilers, but I see they became the Tennessee Titans.

How confusing!  Apparently they were nearly called the Houston Bobcats as well :)

Hate the idea of more expansion teams.  Everything works perfectly with 32.

Chargers to LA is possible too (I think the stadium issues are still unresolved).

Hope the London franchise never happens.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23297785

Done.

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Any thoughts on the colts reg season win line of 8.5 ?  Luck in his second year and looks like the real deal... To pull an improving team through..quite fancy them for the division v aging texans despite their defense..Fairly soft schedule and I count at least 8 likely wins

Modestly over, and not a tough schedule with Jags x2 Titans x2 in their division. Poissibly 10-6 9-7, shouldn't be below 8-8

Don't think the Texans are especially ageing though.

Buffalo Bills        ✔ @buffalobills

Marrone: Plan now is for QB Jeff Tuel will start week 1 against the New England Patriots.
5:30 PM - 26 Aug 2013

You know, Jeff Tuel. I thought we might have drafted him in from Sensible Soccer circa 1994, but I have since learned otherwise:

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1750789-what-to-expect-from-jeff-tuell-as-bills-starting-qb

he'll be the first undrafted QB to start week one as a rookie since the common draft era began in 1997 after the problems with EJ Manuel and Kolb

Meanwhile, possibly unconnected, CJ Spiller is on indefinite leave in Florida

Going well, then.

Over 8.5 value at evens ?.... I read the play action oriented texans having some rb injury issues?

they do have issues at rb, but thats not especially unsual in pre-season. once Foster is fit, they'll be a menace as there is finally a WR opposite A Johnson in Hopkins from Clemson

the defense though remains top 5 in the league. Probably means they are small favourites in the division over the Colts

If pressed I would say the Colts would be gunning for the 11-5 of last year, so 8.5 is too low

Happy as a pig in muck, me.

I completely missed the boat when it came to getting tickets to either of the Wembley games this year. If anyone has any spares or knows anyone with any spares please let me know. Thanks!

Tickets arrived for the NFL games on Thursday.

For anyone going, who has tickets they're picking up from others, be aware that they've introduced a new bag policy this year, which appears ridiculously draconian by any means.  All rucksacks, camera cases, etc will potentially prevent you from getting in.

http://www.nfluk.com/tickets-events/wembley-bag-policy

Fuming about it.

Did you book your tix on Ticketmaster Curtis?

Still no sign of any tickets here.

Yes, got the season tickets, so it may be a case of these going out first (as the deadline was earlier), so I wouldn't worry too much at the moment.

Drawing to many conclusions from one game is usually a mistake, but Baltimore look like they could have a bleak season.

If opposing defenses take Torrey Smith out of the game, they are awfully weak in the receiving corps. I mean, I have less miles on the clock than Brandon Stokley and Dallas Clark!

Plus Ray Rice seemed to have lost some of his zip. The couple of times he got loosish last night, he was caught and tackled rather easily, whereas in years past he would have expected them to be 20 yard + gains.

I fear for them.

They have/had some more tickets available as some were returned from USA





Ridic decision, so many people take rucksacks, especially those taking their kids to see the game

Monday night football being shown on Eurosport this season! On Eurosport 2 this Monday, apparantly it is just going to be the feed from the US.

Infinitely better than the BBC Red Button farce of last season.

Also, 'Hard Knocks' is finally being shown in the UK, starting tomorrow on Channel 4.  Bengals are the focus this year.

Might be one for the DVR though, as it's on at 7am tomorrow!

Ha, I have watched 4 of the 5 episodes already, so I will probably go with my alternative means to watch the final episode!

Strange goings on pre game in the Saints Atlanta game, Roddy White supposedly likely to suit up but not play much and Asante Samuel just warmed up pre game and looked half fit. Now White is playing even tho he has a bad ankle and the tricky thing with Samual is Atlanta start a rookie on the other side so maybe trying to give the Saints the impression he isn't fit  to try and kid them into taking him on instead of the rookie.

Line moved 1/2 a point to Atlanta + 3 1/2 too.

As long as Brees bags a bagful of fantasy points, I'm fine with all the Fergie mindgames.

For NFL punters, Intertops are offering select markets juice-free, e.g. GB v 49s

decent offer with Paddy too, think they are refunding certain markets if the last td in the game is over 25 yards.

edit think it's just hcap bets but still not bad.

Is that restricted to certain games? If not, is there value to be had with backing games featuring two pocket QBs?

Samual out for Atlanta, two rookie CB start against that Saints O which is a blow if you liked Atlanta here. ;o(

I'm not sure mate, but don't know my arse from my elbow at the mo. ;o)

Count yourself lucky that you have other days!

Yes and someone very, very sharp is betting Saints.

Makes sense for sure, Samual was a strange one as he just didn't even look close the way he was warming up, In fact it was so bad it looked like a trick. I really liked Atlanta getting a start here but glad I held out now.

Anyone punting tonight?


Was - 3.5
Hou - 3.5


Hoping not to get chinned on the line by Chiprich in Fantasy too!

#intatewetrust

Houston if I had to. San Diego might struggle this year for me, We know Houston are a top ten team.

Wash/Philly not a clue. Want to see Philly for a bit, could be a dangerous team this year. Might also concede a lot of points

I have backed Houston -3.5 fwiw.  If you can grab that it has some value as it is painted 4 now and might go higher.  Wouldn't be at all surprised to see Mr Channing pop up with a rec on SD +4.5 though later!!!!

RG3 still starting tonight? Will that determine Washington's fortunes this season? Is it that simple?

Not that simple. RG3 at the start of the season won't be doing the running he would if 100% fit. He's meant to be a bit under, but obviously you have to play him

Pretty good defense, good running game they can win without RG3 as Cousins is a good back up

Obviously a fully fit RG3 with the read option makes them contenders

He's just that special kind of player, tho; the kind that turns 6-10 teams into playoff teams. Without him, they can't be the same side, even if he isn't as mobile as he was last season.

QB envy, obv. ;)

Luck and Kaep

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Wilson and RG3

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the rest


is how I would rank the new QBs into the league


Any team loses a QB of that caliber they'd suffer but the ebtter the Offensive line is (a running game to keep the offense going) and defense is (to keep games close) the more you can withstand the loss of a franchise QB mid season

the 49ers, and Seattle and then Washington are built like that far more than Indy is should the unthinkable happen

Seems harsh on Bob and Russ to rank them below the other two.

Neither have done anything wrong.

Yes maybe. All four are excellent, clearly

I was very impressed by the St Louis O this weekend, looked to have plenty of receiving threats and Richardson got lots of touches at rb. Bradford was well protected, think their games might have plenty of points this season.

isn't that a ridiculously tough division?

Arizona no walkovers either, really good defense.


In fact every NFC division looks very difficult to pick, 12+ very competitive teams in the conference

I have never played a middle before, but you can bet Sand Diego +4.5 19/20 and Houston -3.5 10/11.

Worth a tickle?

Jesus Christ, this offense is amazing.

What Channel you guys watching?

Eurosport Sky 411

Cheers Keith.

Chip Kelly baby, so glad to see this.

Not in my opinion.  It is probably close but you will get better come game time on SD from what I am seeing.

What price Philly for the Superbowl after this display?

Philly are in the weakest division of the NFC and have a softish schedule.

I may be jumping way ahead of myself, but home field advantage can't be discounted.

I'd definitely take 33/1 right now.

Everyone seems to have taken the market down, but BetVictor's prices remain up @ 28/1.

Still Michael Vick though isn't he?

Maybe I'm totally over reacting.

Washington have played terribly

But it's not just the offense, Philly's defense looks amazing. Trent Cole looks like an all pro.

I'd like to hear other opinions, but the Eagles remind me somewhat of the Rams when they went all the way having been 200/1 pre season

He's definitely capable of playing at an elite level.

Remember his first season in Philly?

He looks energised by the arrival of Kelly.

And McCoy looks like Marshall Faulk.


They've misfired a bit on offense too, once they are fully in stride, I can't envisage anyone stopping them.

I would be surprised if they were bigger than about 20-1 in the morning and, I suppose that might be worth a punt.  I would be interested in the price for their division.  Anything bigger than 11-4 is a decent bet i think as the rest of the division is awful as you say.  Washington will get better though I think.

Boylesports currently offer 7/2 for them to win AFC East.

Griffin is clutching his knee all the time.

Not sure if its just psychological or if he's feeling something, but comms have hardly mentioned it and I've seen him doing it about 5 times.

That'll be a palp and probably an acct closer if you back that.

Can't be that much of a palp if Stu thought they were a bet at "above 11/4", surely?

Yeah but this is a firm that closes your account for backing a winner in a live premiership football match with your first bet!!!

Is Vick not a little inconsistent? He isn't that 1,000 rushing yards chap at the Falcons anymore...or is he?

The trouble with Vick is that he tends to pick up injuries, and wont last the season.

The O deffo looked superb but I thought it was too open to keep Vick safe for a full season (cannot see how that can run with Nick Foles at QB either) and I fear that McCoy will need to be superman to go thru that kind of workload without breaking down/getting hurt.

Was superb to watch tho.

I almost feel sorry for Tom Brady.

This is a shadow of the Patriots teams we've seen for the previous decade of his career.

And yet they're still 2-0 despite two terrible performances.

They have an incredible ability to do just enough, more than any other team I can think of at the moment.  I'd have said the Steelers until last season, but they seem to have lost the ability since then.

It's Bellichek & Brady, isn't it? That ability to grind out a W. ManUnited-Pats comparison again.

Didn't Favre used to be like that: just found a way to win a game when his team didn't seem to deserve it?

watched the game last...had the Jets +12 and +15.5 in running....Bradys weapons are not as reliable as last/past seasons and I wonder if the bookies will still be deluded that they are a 35 point a game offense..be interesting on the spreads and over and under in the next couple of games..jets rookie qb was holding the ball far too long and with a deese defence i like the unders in games there involved in

Left Stephen Hill on my bench last night for my fantasy team. The WRs who made the cut now must each make 87 yards to  avoid me looking like a donut

The NFL version of Fergie's United

Oh Marky, that is so passé; such a Page 6 comparison to make...

Ha, went to reply when Curtis posted, but got distracted by the Racing Post ;D

They do say 'great minds'

However, I'm definitely not one who falls into that category...

Or maybe just 67yards without fumbling?

Oh yeah! Didn't see that! That should be nice and easy for Woods, VJax and Givens then...

Hill will get plenty of time against our secondary next weekend.

If it's close, you can always hope for the delayed stat adjustment :D

Like that would ever happen ;whistle;

A couple of betting questions, if you don't mind...

Miami seem to me to have bolstered the DL and Indy's OL has holes, which, coupled with some injuries to the Colts, makes me wonder whether the Dolphins might be a bet. The line is Miami +2. They're 21/20 for the straight win. Is either bet better than the other (my thinking is 2 not being a particularly important number suggests I'm better off taking the outright price)?

I saw an interesting stat that AP only ran 15 yards after his TD from 17 subsequent carries. Maybe a stingier defence could make the Vikings struggle? Line is +5.5 for Minnesota against Chicago. Should I feel interested in backing Chicago?

The true price for a team lined at +2 is 2.15 (assuming an average total which this game has) so 21/20 is about right given the juice.  If you think that the game hinges on the relative strengths of the Dolphins DL and weakness of Indy's OL you might be better looking at a sacks market though.  They are likely to be less efficient and still based on averages from last year.  Not sure if anyone outside of the spreads offer a teams sacks but worth a look.

Oooh good angle! Cheers

Ballard out for the season now Tal so a less than fully fit Bradshaw and Don Brown likely to be the main rb's for Indy. 5/6 +3  with Sportingbet still available if you bet with them mate

which is decent news for Luck passing yards, season bets. Fewer worthwhile running options, will have to air it out more

I would avoid Chicago -5.5. Yes favourites but AP always pulls it out the bag against Chicago

Always dangerous betting against him, I know...

105 yard kick off return from Daryl Patterson in Chicago.

Superb start for my bet on the Bears.

Then Chicago nearly do the same back! This is insane!

Nothing like watching a 300LB guy running for the endzone. (Minnesota turnover after sacking Cutler)

Shame I've backed Chicago.

Got Eagles - Chargers on GamePass.  Malcom Floyd just took an awful looking hit (only obvious on slo-mo).  Still down after 5 mins or so.  Hope he's OK.

Shoulder pad to the head.  His neck just seemed to 'squash' into his body.

I think he has moved his legs which is good but that was horrible

Looked terrible in slow motion. Fingers crossed for the lad.

Fins looked deece, have we finally found 'the QB'?

#FinsUp Let's hope so RF  ;cheerleader;

That annoys me so much and never seems to get mentioned. Eli throwing on 4th and 10 from before midfield and the Denver safety decides to intercept it in the end zone rather than bat it down. He runs about celebrating having cost his team 30+ yards

Giants don't go for 2 there?? They need to get 2 more TD's and 1 of them a 2 pointer, surely you take first 2 pt attempt you can so you have options if you don't make it??

He probably just earnt himself a $100k INT bonus.

Sick sweat..... 

I like some of the teams this week that are lining up against popular thread teams, so I'm hoping there will be a vigless trade opportunity or two.  Nothing massive, credit is good to thread Elders and those I know IRL.

My shopping list for indicative purposes:

KCC +3.5 filled
GB -2.5
ATL +3
CHI -3 filled
BUF +3

OK, I'm all filled :)

Feel free to tell me how bad that lot is :D

Colts trade their first round draft pick next year for Trent Richardson

Pretty rare blockbuster in season trade

amazing deal. I have already had a bet on this side earlier in the week but Minny - 5 1/2 should still be a bet this weekend.

Would be very surprised if Cleveland got more than 17 points many games this season minus Weeden and Richardson. Kills Josh Gordon in fantasy, sigh. Bad weather from Novemebr for home games too

obviously going all in on the next draft for Bridgewater, Mariotta etc etc and a franchise QB

Incredible decision to make the trade from Cleveland's viewpoint.

Literally giving up on the season at Week 3.

This morning I feel a little better about the season bets I have for the Colts... quite an astonishing trade !

The more I think about this trade, the more I worry about Richardson's injury history.  The only way this makes sense to me is if the Browns are selling high now for fear of not getting the same value at a later point by delaying it.  Both teams are effectively gambling on Richardson's health.  In the Colt's case, the reason is a huge upside if they're right.  I just don't see how the Browns do it unless they're pretty certain that a serious injury is not far away.

Even if you buy into the rebuild argument for the new management team, surely you don't trade away last year's No 3 overall pick to 'rebuild for the future' unless you think he has no long-term future.  They've got a 1st round pick (probably a mid to late one) in return for him, so where's the certainty that you'll do any better when you use it in April.

The Indy medical team have a lot riding on this deal, that's for sure!

Amazing trade I like the Colts side of it, but have read elsewhere people liking the browns side.

Richardson has looked good in parts I have seen, but his YPC is nothing stellar maybe the Browns simply thought he was not what they thought he was when they drafted him. They have already took that view with Weeden.

the things that matter is Richardson's health and how good Clevelands new QB with a  number 1 pick next year becomes

As of now, you can argue it both ways.

Quite like Richardson helping Indy in January when as a wild card they have to go to Cincy, NE, Denver etc, maybe in bad weather

Quite like Cleveland being a long way away from being competitive and not liking the high draft choices of the recent regime and getting ammo for next season which on the face of it has three franchise QBs in the draft whereas last year had none

Would help if Cleveland could pick well though!

Disagree about Gordon.

I think he (and Cameron) will do better without Richardson as Cleveland have no running attack they'll be forced to throw all the time.

could be

defenses won't have to respect the run though so will double cover Gordon (same happens at Dallas. the OL has been shit and no running game so double Bryant and see if they can beat you other ways)

and then you actually have to get him the ball with Hoyer at QB

They'll also likely be behind in most games now, and needing to prefer throw over run to managed the clock and catch up (unless they don't care anymore and are now sucking for Luck Bridgewater, or whoever).

They have to be worse than Jacksonville to get the 1st pick as well!

Jags should sign Tebow, sell lots of shirts, knowing they will #throwforteddy and beat the Browns to the top pick

Sort of a reverse fantasy league....

Don't practice all your zingers here for tonight!

Do we think we'll get to see Kansas +3-5 10/11? Looks like a bet if we do.

Cleveland play Jacksonville in Week 13. We could get two 0-15-1 teams this season :p

+3 21/20 already available, and I haven't swept everywhere to get it

edit: Looks like +3 & 11/10 available

I would be very surprised if it got to +3.5 10/11 tonight.  I nicked a bit of KC 8/5 earlier in the week and think that is probably about the top of the market.  Everytime Pinnacle go to +3 11/10 or bigger they seem to see money and there are no indications from the charts that there is any great public money for Philly and the only money in Philly games this year from the syndicates has been against them.  If I had to place a bet I would bet the line closes pretty close to where it is now.

Bit of a mixture of the old and new tonight, with Andy Reid returning to the Linc and Donovan McNabb having his #5 retired today, but really need Chip to pull out a win at the end of it.

Have the same uneasy feeling tonight as I did for the Chargers game though, so not feeling too confident.

Reid doesn't need to do much if we carry on beating ourselves like this.

0-10 already.

Bit of redemption there, but no good for us boys who have knocked it in :(

Touching to see the Eagles putting in a big performance for Andy Reid.  Pity it's a season too late!

Comedy of errors so far.  Quite how we're still only 10pts down at this stage is a miracle.  Looks like Vick just dodged another INT bullet on the last play.

Pittsburgh +3 @5/6 What do we think?. Ike Taylor looked as good as ever vs AJ Green and limiting Marshall is still huge vs the Bears, Heath Miller is almost certainly back too. With Polamalu starting to look like his old self and Marshall up against one of the best ever it could be a tough night for Cutler and he doesn't do tough nights well.

Chicago OL is much much improved this year, and this is Huge for Cutler. He'll always make mistakes, and tends to be mentally fragile though

Take Marshall away and Alshon Jeffrey is much improved and Martellus Bennett is finally fulfilling his potential at Tight End and Forte will always help you put points up

Not that concerned with Pittsburgh's defense especially, as you say Taylor and Polamalu are good performers

What does worry me is

- the Pittsburgh O-Line protecting Roethlisberger. No signs of that happening yet. Loss of the center Pouncey was a huge loss.
- Dysfunctionality. Todd Haley and Roethslisberger not on the same page
- given this, Chicago's capability of creating turnovers via Tillman etc

It would be unprecedented for Pittsburgh to start 0-3 (0-2 hadn't happened under Tomlin until last week) and I do normally like decent home underdogs but I had Chicago as one of my bets of the week given the match ups here particularly Chicago D v Pittsburh O Line

Love this

Won't get any fantasy points but what a block!

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Yep some valid points there. It's a remarkable thing, given that we are both NFL nuts with great records for identifying value. We almost always disagree! :-). More than one way to skin a cat I guess.

Anything else standing out?

Either of you like the Oakland line against Denver?

Very difficult week

I can't see Cleveland getting more than 17 points with a 3rd string QB and a starting RB off the street. Much as I am loathe to go Ponder -6, I think I would have to expect Minnesota to cover the spread

Texans -2.5 at Baltimore. Texans look the real deal to me, always was Foster and the defense, with Hopkins at WR, two good Tight Ends as well as Foster and Andre they now have other ways of winning games

Think Bengals are decent (Dalton doubts, but rest of team good) and tempted by them as 3 point dogs at home to the Packers. Bengals probably need 24-28 points minimum to cover though.


yourself?

Not like as such but I see how they win against the spread. They can control some time of possession with the running game. Whether they keep Manning off the field enough is the issue

Must come a point where he stops being superhuman and reverts to exceptional, he says optimistically

Still haven't got around to doing proper research for Sunday, pretty slack really. I like Atlanta +3 5/6 the best so far, the injuries are more than in the price I think.

I share your concerns about Dalton, lots to like at Cincy though as you correctly pointed out weeks ago. Have you seen the Hard Knocks programme featuring the Bengals? It's great stuff and to me really does highlight that Dalton's not quite the man to take them on. Quite an insecure sort of chap and there are few positions in all of sport where that characteristic is less desirable.

Yes I love the Hard Knocks programmes.

The Atlanta game is an important one for Miami, will get a realistic feel for whether they might challenge the Patriots or not. Another team where the defense is very good, and the doubts on the offense might be last year's thing.

I like Bills +2.5...jets qb still holding the ball too long and Bills not as bad as people think both sides of the ball

First time I've seen him in a whole game rather than just highlights.

I had always assumed he was a finesse scat type back.

I was wrong!

I can't find the stat, but I am pretty sure the week after a team loses their star player (usually from injury obv, but I assume it will hold true for him being traded away too) a team covers the spread somewhere in the region of 70%.

A combination of the line moving too much to compensate and the other players stepping up their effort/performance levels.

I have never seen that stat before but the line move is never anywhere near as much as that so I don't think it can be sustainable  in the long run.  Also in this spot I am not sure Trent Richardson really counts as a "star" player in that sense does he?  He is hardly a franchise player.

The price has gone here but I still like the side.  Pouncey is a huge injury but it has made them look worse than they are.  They had a OL in the position when he went down and unsurprisingly couldn't do anything then had less than a week to get Velasco ready straight off the street in a position that requires snaps to get the timing between him and the QB right.  I think we will see a big improvement this week on that front and I thought he did alright anyway.  Heath Miller coming back is pretty huge imo and gives them a lot more options.  This is their season on the line here on MNF whilst Chicago are in fairly good shape.  Just seems a decent spot for the Steelers to me.  I took a bit of +2.5.

Aldon Smith on DUI and weed possession rap ... how is he playing Sunday?

He is getting a lift to the ground

On a magic flying carpet

You'd imagine that 8/9 figure salaries would at least make these guys think about what they're doing, but it just seems to go completely the other way, and they just bowl along doing whatever they please.

 ;applause;

Browns trying real hard for that no.1 pick and as many picks as possible in next years draft.

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 1m
Cleveland fielding offers for and open to trading WRs Josh Gordon and Greg Little. At least one team has made a quality offer for Gordon.

Baltimore, Patriots and 49ers could all use Gordon, if they are sure he will behave

Apparently Joe Thomas the LT has been sought too


Quite fun to watch, tearing up a team that won't compete for the play offs and starting again

When will that happen in Dallas?

 ;hide;

More than enough talent to compete for the play offs in a division where every team has weaknesses

thanks for the concern though.

BettingEmporium I ain't, but Tal's Betting Bizarre Bazaar is open for business:

Carolina +2
Detroit -1
New Orleans -7
Buffalo +2.5
Jacksonville +19
Oakland +14
Indianapolis +10

Six-folds and a seven-fold to a £1 Billy Bigtime unit.

Probably not going to put Mr Boyle out of business this evening, so I doubt he will mind me winning this one.

Eli sacked three times in six minutes.

Cleveland playing Madden NFL.

Fake punt, then a fake fg for a td.

Great stuff.

Anyone know what time the Rams are due to turn up ?

Cleveland and Tennessee. That's why I love football!

Terrible job by Cleveland at trying to throw games.

In other news total games won by teams playing at Wembley next week, 0.

So...anyone else get the feeling the Jacksonville line might have been a little low?

3-0, the fins are making me believe!

AFC EAST 6-0 against the rest of the NFL.

Liking my colts and chiefs season bets :)

Aldon Smith suspended indefinitely by San Francisco...which is massive for their D

It's just pre empting the league suspending him.

He'll be back in a month I assume.

Bears go to 3-0 last night with another good D performance. I dont think for a second that they are SB contenders but i think they have the softest schedule in the NFL, ok they have the Packers home and away as always but apart from that just the home games against the saints and ravens.


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A tough game for tough men!

I can't believe he went back into the game after this.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000249502/article/rashad-johnson-lost-tip-of-finger-in-cardinals-game

How on earth can anyone continue playing after something like that?

Just to show how tough a game it is.

''We haven't heard from Baltimore Ravens wide receiver Jacoby Jones since Week 1 when he sprained his MCL in Baltimore's 49-27 loss to the Denver Broncos.

If you're wondering how Jones' rehab is going, it's going well enough that he was on a party bus early Monday morning with teammate Bryant McKinnie and a stripper named Sweet Pea. And apparently, Sweet Pea and Jones didn't get along.

According to TMZ.com, Sweet Pea hit Jones over the head with a 'gigantic Ace of Spades bottle.' After Jones was hit with the bottle, an ambulance was reportedly called for 'a bleeding male.' According to TMZ, not only did the blow to the head hurt Jones, but he was bleeding everywhere after it happened.

One of Jones' friends reportedly tried to retaliate against Sweet Pea, but McKinnie stopped the friend and then a fight broke out between McKinnie and Jones' friend, according to TMZ.

It's not clear why Sweet Pea hit Jones over the head with the bottle. It's also not clear how big the Ace of Spades bottle was. Ace of Spades bottles come in eight sizes, ranging from 750-milliliters to 30-liters.''

Early thoughts on the wembley game... feel the line of 42 is a bit low.. steelers ageing D doesn't seem to be the force it once was and the run D is struggling..Peterson to run them ragged ?... vikings seem to give up points for fun and there were some signs that the steelers O is finally finding some production..

Thoughts ?

Pretty impressed with the Raiders in general and Terrelle Pryor in particular last night.

Think they are finally on the right track.

What is the weather forecast for the weekend? Wembley plays terrible if soaked. Otherwise yeah line probs is a bit low

Nate Burleson broke his arm in two places in a one vehicle car crash. Out for the season

He was distracted by pizza.

Class.

Ronnie Hillman said he got the Broncos fourth-quarter goal-line carry on Monday night because he won a game of rock, paper, scissors.
Early in the final frame, Hillman broke off a 19-yard run to the 1-yard line. The Broncos proceeded to take a timeout. During that break in the action, Hillman says he took on Knowshon Moreno and Montee Ball in rock, paper, scissors to see who would get the touchdown. Hillman chose rock, while Ball and Moreno went with scissors.

I remember when Premiership footballers used to be the dimmest people in sport.

Watch a different game.

Lol can't disagree with that

errmmm..... true, but then I got tickets for the game months ago...

I'm sure you will enjoy it but both teams were clearly utter gash last year, hopefully AP just does something mesmerising for you and the rest of Wembley.

I have just read the rules on the NFL, and am clear on the basics, aside from two things. If a QB throws the ball, the receivers tries to catch it, but parries it onto the ground, it bounces up and the defence get it can they play on or is it considered dead after hitting the floor?

Can you score a field goal in open play? Without the need of the special teams? Does it need to hit the ground before you kick it over like in Rugby, and is it a common play?

1. The ball is dead if the pass is forward (called an incomplete pass) but if the pass is backwards or sideways (called a lateral) it's live unless it goes out of bounds.

2. Yes it's called a drop kick and scores 3 points from open play or 1 point after a td. It is almost never seen though because the ball is too pointy and bounces in unexpected directions when you drop it. It has only been achieved once in all the time I've been watching NFL. A coach let a veteran player do as reward for his career in his last match

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S_7TT2a1H4

Cheers Camel

I guess it is never used as you may as well just do a field goal with special teams.

But would imagine it would be a useful back up policy if nothing else is available, you are maybe on the 3rd or fourth down after you have tried a running/throwing play but avenues have become unavailable but as you said the ball makes it tough to do. But what about if you didn't bounce it on its point but on the side instead, if you were close enough to the sticks, I guess you could do that from a decent way out.

Guess the idea I am suggesting just sounds like bollocks from a newb no doubt :)

What about yellow flags I see get thrown onto the field of play. The rules I read didn't mention the infringements for it. Is it if you move beyond the line of scrimmage before the ball is put into play? Are you allowed to tackle a man before they get near the football when a pass is coming into them?

If there are too many infringements for the yellow flag, maybe direct me somewhere where i can see it please? Anyone? As I couldn't find it, but I am probs being silly.

Need to be clued up for the Tikay bash coming up shortly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penalty_(gridiron_football)

Thank you.

Going to take me some time to get my head around that!

Try this too, Ant.  You're exactly the audience that this is aimed at, by the looks of things.

http://www.nfluk.com/learn

True, but then we bought tickets to both games as a package. As long as there is plenty of scoring, and the Ds are shite so should happen, I will be happy enough

It will be full of pomp, ceremony and razamatazz, so it will be enjoyable whatever. This is America after all.

Just would be better if it doesn't pour down.

At least you will get to watch some real football on Monday night still....

i like my Saints..especially in the dome...

Been asked to price up whether the following players will ever win a Superbowl. (wants both sides)

Kaepernick, RG3, Luck

I came up with

Kaep 4/6 yes 11/10 no
RG3 3/1 yes 1/5 no
Luck 6/4 yes 1/2 no

Any thoughts appreciated.

Would be all over Luck at 6/4

Going to be great and likely has 15 years to do it.

RG3 will be more injury prone as his style out of the pocket will see him hit more. Will also need more of a supporting cast to win it than Luck. So I think its correct he's a higher price than Luck

Kaep, well the 49ers probably have 3 years with this squad before free agency and the salary cap hits them with the brilliant players they drafted 2008-12, then its rebuild time. Would want to be on no at the prices

Because of the rotation of who are the better teams, does Kaep have more than 3 or 4 chances including this one to win a ring?

Is that how you get to 4/6?


Edit: Tighty beat me to it!

I was thinking when Luck got his new contract it would be so huge that the Colts couldn't afford to have much of a supporting cast. (I'm right in thing rookies have shorter contracts than a decade ago, right?)

But yes you are probably right, I'll send over Evs yes, 8/11 no

I was thinking better team now and the better coach.

Plus I would still give Kaep a capital P for possible improvement.

rookie deals are a year shorter

the salary cap going up though

it is the case that until the next QB deal for any of these franchise QBs in their first contract that teams have to draft around them well, because they won't be in the market for expensive free agents once a QB is taking up $20m+ a year of a $130m+ cap

the 49ers did it the other way round, wonderful drafting of Willis, Davis, Aldon Smith, whole Offensive Line etc etc then found Kaep in the second round so they get him on a rookie contract while the players drafted in the three years previous hit their peak

Most bad teams pick a QB early, suck for a couple of years while they draft a roster, and the success window is far shorter because after 4 years the QB demands mega money and your flexibility to improve around him lessens

This is pretty incredible:

Sunday will mark Browns LT Joe Thomas' 100th consecutive game.
Thomas hasn't missed a game since the Browns drafted him third overall in 2007. In fact, he hasn't even missed a single one of the 6,054 snaps. Thomas, a three-time first-team All-Pro, says he's played through illness, knee sprains and torn muscles. "It's a point of pride for me to be able to play 100 straight without missing a snap," he said. "... Part of playing on the offensive line is just toughing it out."

That is amazing really isn't it Rinswun.

I liked this too.

Adam Vinatieri has made a successful field goal in 39 NFL stadiums and thee are only 32 NFL teams.

For you:

http://arizonasports.com/58/1664966/Research--Doug--September-24-2013

cheers James, spookily enough that was exactly where I read it.

Are you in London for the 49ers Wembley game?

Does anyone have a view of the Pats pass D?

''the Patriots’ secondary is officially legit''

Isn't it a little early for this after facing E J Manuel, Geno Smith and Josh Freeman in their first three games?

Its way too early.  They have only had 103 passing attempts against them so far this year and I actually thought EJ Manuel did okay against them considering it was his first game and he threw two TD's from 27 passes.

Cheers Red,

I thought Smith did ok too on what was a tricky night in iffy weather.  This feels misleading too given the TE they have faced are Scott Chandler, Kellen Winslow on a 4 day short week with bad knees and Jeff Cumberland who had plenty of snaps  in that game but mainly blocked. Last week they faced Tampa's third choice TE Nate Byham.

'''Tony Gonzalez’s slow start is officially a bit of a concern. He failed to take advantage of a juicy Week 3 matchup in the Dolphins, and will now be squaring off with a Patriots team that routinely eliminates tight ends. Thus far this season, no team is allowing fewer fantasy points to tight ends than New England'''

Manuel to Chandler
Smith to Winslow and Cumberland
Freeman to Nate Byham

They are hardly relevant to Ryan and Gonzalez are they. Feels a little like looking at the numbers and not even looking at the previous match ups.

Well it aint in yankee land Tal son, they have cut back a lot on the entertainment side too imo. Fireworks a few years back were much better.
One sided games are freaking boring, much better to have two evenly matched teams, even if both are shite..lol

No Ponder makes things interesting. Might he have played his last game in purple? A decent performance from Cassel and the first tick in the win column makes him hard to drop.

I think I've found the flaw in your logic.

Seems weird, doesn't it? Can't have a better chance than this to do something, though.

Nah neither matchup excites me in any form, rather watch a diff game on TV

Just received this text from a friend who was at tonight's game:

"A train just turned up to wembley park not in service. Answers on a postcard what 1000 people on the platform thought of that."

Romo decides to start playing once the Chargers have scored...

My friend is new to NFL this season but is getting the hang of it:

"It's interesting listening to steelers fans about it being a long yr. It's 16 games and you don't get relegated. Should try being palace."

2nd TD, 3rd TD.......Thanks Dez......

Sorry Mr Channing...  Jacksonville really are that bad

Commentators have been questioning whether the Jags are really as bad as the linesetters say and we can now agree they aren't. They are much worse.

Got to feel for the players. All that work in training and then nothing on the big day.

I'll stop backing them against the spread now, so that should see a turnaround in fortunes...

Anyone fancy a side bet?  I take Jacksonville and say that for the rest of the year they have a winning record against the spread (we will use Las Vegas Hilton closing line).  So there are, I think, 12 more games for them.  They would have to win 7 of them versus the spread for me to win.  If it was 6-6 then it would be a push.  Will take up to a monkeys action at evens.

Are Denver even real?

Red, is this because punters will just plough against them, forcing the bookies' lines too far?

Remind me not to bet against Peyton again. Just looks like he is playing a different game to everyone else and his offensive line is incredible.

Ain't that the truth...

Yeah.  With all due respect to you and The Sicillian you probably represent the view of the betting public.  There is literally nobody that is going to back the Jaguars so they will have to offer a ridiculously high line to get any action and it will probably only come from the sharps.  The average man on the street wouldn't back Jax getting a hundred points.  Even the other guys in the office are laughing at me for betting them every week.  I can handle it but your average guy in the street isn't going to take that punishment every week.  End of the day this is the NFL and they will be getting double digits week in week out.  Of course I might be wrong but I would like my side.  To make money betting the NFL you have to hold your nose when you are placing your bets a lot.  Fwiw I would take the opposite side of the bet against Denver too for pretty much the same reasons.  

I'm definitely the betting public, the slightly backwards part too!

Is it possible that Paddy will start laying me normal sized bets if I keep getting the 2nd TD scorer?

Nicely refreshing to be on the side of the majority for once, even if it isn't for a good reason. ;)

Would you be generous enough to put it into context, please?

St Louis next. Where would you think the line

a) Will open at
b) Will be at kick off
c) Should be at, if not influenced by money?

tbf.... the bookies will adjust and get it right.... may take them one more week.. but 8 points v indy today with that balanced O now and luck? with no offense at all and Gabbert back in.... was a max for me...

also people keep saying indy overated but I backed them hard pre season and with the addition of Richardson and if they can get bradshaw back for a 1-2 punch..they are going be a decent force

Joking aside, in two weeks' time, Jacksonville travel to Mile High.

+29.5?

Colts and Chiefs will be paying for that new gaff I saw on Facebook ;)

We just opened the line for next week St Louis -12....it got bet up straigyt away.  We were talking about the Denver game and our consensus was -27.5 maybe -28

lol if one of those goes all the way it gets an extension :)

Sorry in turn

a) we opened -12
b) I guess about -13.5
c) maybe -10.5....St Louis arent exactly a public team......

must be one of the biggest lines you quoted?.... must be incredibly rare for an nfl team to be that much of a dog... hard to believe they are worse than last year

Also..on todays showing against the skins pourous secondary and their result v Jacksonville..makes me evaluate raiders O even further down.even with Pryor out

I think 27.5 would be the biggest in NFL history.....to be fair the guy here with the longest history in the game thinks it can't be that high but it has to be over 3 TD's I think.

I actually feel sorry for them

Very nice!

With my bets on the Bengals and Eagles I might be moving into a Wendy House :D

Finally run good ..6/7 + 30 points... on the unders for patriots game

All in on Julio Jones and Roddy White first TD

lolz Gluck bud... 24-17 please u can have Atlanta first up

Thanks. Sounds like that's one of the smallest differentials between those three numbers for a game against the Jags.

I assume say the Patriots or the Cowboys would have a much wider range?

Apologies. This is all a bit new to me. This is the first season I've bet ATS.

It is tough to have such a big differential unless it is a really public team as the sharp guys just jump on obviously wrong numbers and the public as a whole are much sharper than they have ever been.  Once upon a time the real wiseguys would have an idea where the public want to bet and let the number run up so even if they thought there was value in +27 they would know the public loved Denver and would bet it up and they would be able to bet +28.5 or whatever but now there are so many smaller sharp guys the numbers get ironed out quicker.

Ironically after everything I have posted I have just bet Denver for next week at Dallas -5.5 but I do think it will close higher than that.

It was a cracking game today, probs the best I have seen out of all the games at Wembley.
Hardly anyone left early either, due to it going to the wire. Made for a very busy station concourse but got back to Victoria okay

Nooooo Brandon Bolden.

give me strength.

Just unbelievable gklsdkl;agkl;sdjklsgkldsdjkl;sjkl;d

sickening mate, wtf do we have to do?

Just woken up an hour ago, had to check all my accounts to see if it was even real... Unfortunately it was  :'(

philly team total on whill is 24.5.... 1.5 under market 26 and a full 2 under ppower.... giants  defense 28th v the run and not much better against the pass .... and give up  a league worst average 36.5 points per game...they even gave up 31 v Kansas modest offense last week... with mCcoy and vick running.. and jackson and Avant on the deep ball..cant see NY defending for less than 25 points

EDIT : looks like compilers might have been lazy too as their offense points is 24.8..slightly skewed considering they went against kansas and denvers highly rated defenses to bring the average down..

Did anyone predict the score in Green Bay? New England @ Cincinnati, too. Not a TD between them.

sweated a little when vick went off

Think need to start taking my colts seriously

Did think of you when they flashed the last few minutes of that game up on Sky, looking like a lock I would say :)

I had them for losses v seahawks and san Francisco pre season and still had them over 8wins so good news all round

Cruising then  8)

Nightmare here... Did Bryant last week first TD but Romo throws like a man with no arms first 1/4

Obviously he scores the 2nd and 3rd TDs when Paddy are doing a double odds on multiple scorers.

Playing Denver this week, so I decide that it's obv odds on Denver score first and go with Decker. Oh no, Romo leads the Cowboys down the field and Bryant scores!

Just hoping to fade him doubling again this week, or it will be painful!

Love the Peyton rushing bootleg TD.

Yeah, that was quality.

Marv.

Much as it pains me to say this, but I'm impressed with the Cowboys tonight.  The only team so far to live with the Broncos and with a good shout to win this shootout.

As I type this they score to go ahead 48-41.

Win or lose, Romo has been utterly sensational

Game of his life, whatever happens from here

Definitely the best game I've ever seen

Was a good call that Dean, they seem to be getting better and better.

Amazing performance. Like one of those boxing matches where the underdog releases his shoulders and goes toe to toe with the champ.

Terrible D in this Cowboys game.  :)  I have just been enjoying the chess game and great D in the Zona v Panthers game tho.

As determined and beautiful as a Jonathan Trott century is to watch, we all know we love seeing Chris Gayle spank it out the park.

You let Denver score here, right?

And Denver are going to try not to score lol.

Had to try to let Denver score, and have a minute to tie it

Pretty sure Denver would have gone down at the one three times and then kicked the FG with a second left though

 :)

 The only spanking that should have been taking place in that Zona game was around the chops of both QB's.

Anyone think Dallas could win the whole thing with Alex Smith at QB?  ;ifm;

behave. He was 49 yards off the NFL single game passing yards, and went toe to toe with the greatest QB ever on a superior team

People will rip him because he throws an interception but thats just one eyed results orientated tosh. He was great

Fabulous game.

Pretty harsh to say that the Romo pick was the decisive moment, after the performance he put on.  It's not often Manning is made to look 2nd best.

The NFC Least suddenly got interesting.  If the Cowboys can maintain that level then they should romp it, but I'm not sure they hit those heights again this season.

Weirdly enough, I don't feel the usual gloating joy at a Cowboys defeat.  It's more a sense of relief that it ended with the 'right' result from an Eagles viewpoint.  Sometimes you have to step back and admire a fantastic game and that one didn't deserve to have a loser.

Seriously?

 
Isn't that game just a snap shot of his career tho.

Beyond all the great passing stats he has a win % of just over 56% which is slightly more than Jay Cutler (and a few ticks more than Alex Smith)

Are any of those elite QB's?

Joe Flacco has won 67% of his games and was MVP in a Superbowl win. Is he a worse QB because he looks uncomfortable at times and doesn't throw for loads of yards every season or a better QB because he wins more games?

Big Ben has almost the same % of wins as Flacco and two Superbowl wins (and of course they play lots of games outdoors too), better or worse QB than Romo?

Of all current QB's that have played more than 100 games only 4 Qb's have a worse win %, Cutler, Carson Palmer,Mike Vick and Matt Hasselback.

I must admit when the Cowboys got the ball at 48-48, I did say "Romo throws an INT here".

I love the guy. a great player and seems like a really top bloke too.

But doubt he'll ever win a championship, he just always fucks up when the pressure is at its greatest.

the problem tonight was Monte Kiffin's defense, not Romo

Romo of course has let us down in key spots over several seasons, but his team has let him down more often than vice versa

Still a top ten QB in the league though


Two polarising views on Romo won't be resolved ever though, he's a curates egg

Boldin and Davis first TD with Paddy

Grease Schaub!

But wow o wow if he keeps his head straight Dez Bryant could be the greatest WR ever.

Takes the good points of Calvin Johnson and Brandon Marshall and rolls it into one hybrid super WR

Not a massive Romo fan but he is not the problem in Dallas. Their egomaniac of owner is the problem, as he somehow thinks he is qualified to be an NFL gm as well as owner. He can't employ a Head Coach with a big personality or ego as they will fallout/outshine Jerry. He is also infatuated with flashy skill position players instead of unfashionable lineman who their cornerstone of winning teams.

Comparing to Flacco and Big ben is really unfair imo. The Ravens and Steelers up until this year had truly elite defences that meant the pressure on the QB was much less.

That is all very true

Tw$o of the last three first round picks have been on the OL though, so it is slowly changing but undoubtedly would be a more functional organisation if he sat in his owners box, did not run the team and recruited a real top flight coach and GM

Which won't happen

Thank you sir.... even happier now their Offense is more balanced..... going to GIQ why I have the chance and say I have Chiefs pre season as well  ;)

Interesting, and somewhat surprising, stat:

Tony Romo has thrown for at least 400 yards five times in his career and has lost all five games.

I don't really want to go on about him but this is the bit I don't get. In a lot of games he makes mistakes that lead to his team having to play catch up. When he then throws loads of yards because they are trying to catch up he looks great.

Was just reacting to the one eyed results orientated tosh line really, he threw for 506 yards so had a great game but his team lost. Yet I am the one looking at one game?

didn't make sense really.

Another awesome stat:

Andy Reid currently has the same number of wins as the NFC East!

I really like the unders St Louis @ Houston. St Louis will struggle to get anything going offensively and Houston will definitely be protecting Schaub as much as they can. Early lead for Houston and then grind it out with the two RB's. Under 42.5 (with everyone) looks good to me. I couldn't believe how bad Schaub was last week, I think the market really underrates how reluctant they'll be to let him throw it and St Louis are probably a bit better against the pass than the stats suggest. Any thoughts?

DeSean Jackson looks obvious at 9/1 with Hills for Philadelphia @ Tampa. I don't love abandoning LeSean McCoy and will be backing him loads until they adjust properly but with no Vick, Desean is surely the way to go.

How are people getting on generally so far this year? I haven't seen much that really appeals until this week and all the prices are with firms I can't get on with :-(. Looks like my housemates are going to be opening some more new accounts this afternoon!

What a genius Brady is. No reliable wide recivers, no tight ends, gets it done with no time outs in the last minute

Think it is harsh to say he has no reliable WR's.  Kenbrell Thompkins looks very good to me and Edelman is a fairly reliable pair of hands these days.

I nearly cried..i had patriots under 25.5 and saints +2.5...fml

I've been opposing the Pats all season....

It looks like the Buccs are going to can Schiano.

If this is the plan, why would they let him release Freeman?

The car park here at the Sky Campus has the NFL UK "Touchdown Tour" thing here today.

Cracking lorry, must have cost half a mill for that alone.


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Yes, it was in Brum the other day. Some poor throwing on display from the locals

Edit: hang on! That first photo is in Birmingham: Victoria Square.

They should have pretended they were throwing petrol bombs, then they would have been the UK's answer to Manning, Brady and Brees.

Yes, I left my camera at home today, so had to use that. Smashing lorry though.

At this very moment, the Cheerleadfers are doiung their thing. Great atmo, in the staff car park......

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Sky sports 3 currently showing a piece on Kurt Warner.

I'd never seen this before:

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t-6iZk8dJk

That's quite a good pass.

Anybody think Schaub might be out for longer than he thought?

Think the new boy looked really good..some baptism that..going up against that Kansas D...thought my under 16.5 houston total was gonna get mullered :)

Fantastic Colts game last night....some fantastic Man coverage by the colts although feel manning was a little off....anyway they repaid my faith at 3.5 :0...no GIQ here.. cant wait for Denver Kansas games...

Great episode.

Think Warner is top bloke.

My favourite play was the fake chin strap strop play.

Unfortunately doesn't seem to be on YouTube.

Loved that chin strap fake. Anything that keeps the cameraman on his toes in sport is alright with me.

Worst week for serious injuries to star players I can remember.

Finley looked terrible.

SB Nation
Agent who botched Elvis Dumervil's contract in Denver disciplined by NFLPA

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/10/22/4867912/elvis-dumervil-denver-broncos-agent-nflpa

Wembley games for next year are:

Raiders vs Dolphins (weeeeeeeee!)
Cowboys vs jags
Falcons vs lions

Cowboys in London yeehaa

Never thought I would see the day, no team would give up the revenue from hosting the Cowboys and the travelling fans in their home stadia. Unless its the Jags who don't sell out anyway

Raiders/Fins is a proper old-school game for people who haven't watched any niffle since the Nicky Horne Channel 4 days.

Perfect choice to get people to come to the Jags game.

Cowboys fans, Jags fans, and Dallas haters (that being fans of the other 30 teams)!

Sell out guaranteed!

No Bills again ::)

Mind you, how eager would the public be to watch us play Jacksonville?

I think we are looking at other parts of Her Majesty's Commonwealth anyway.

Can any of you see the likeness between these prem teams and NFL ones?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24680077

The money has come for Dallas this week. The Detroit 5/6 -2.5 with Paddy Power and 365 looks like a great bet. Dallas really aren't very good. They've only beaten poor teams and the Skins so far this year and Detroit are very much better and will be highly motivated for must win games like this with the Division looking open due to GB serious injuries and Chicago not being very good.

I don't really agree that Dallas aren't very good. Their three losses are to teams with a combined record of 17-4 , each by less than a score. 

Lots of attacking weapons, a much improved OL, much under-rated defense that has performed admirably despite being under the cosh with injuries up front after the Denver game. Only really lacking a consistent run game (Murray injured again)

I think it a should be a high scoring game at Detroit (am on over 51 points), as both Bryant and Calvin J could have field days, but couldn't take Detroit giving points away

Think the real bet here is Stafford over 305.5 passing yards on Sky... cowboys give up an average of 291 per game 30th in the league...lions avg 294 5th in the league and megatron in form in a shootout... stafford going to go way over that total...

The line has corrected now, all of the -2.5 gone. I'm looking forward to it. It should be a good game, Detroit will be a little bit too good I think.

All the eggs in the Gronk basket tonight, so Brady decides the Dolphins want a head start...

Shipped in 3 quarters :)

And almost no offence for Dallas in that time, yet they lead 20-10. This one looking like going on the variance pile, Detroit dominant.

Detroit have four turnovers, Dallas none so far.

Offense has hardly showed for Dallas, and still in the game to win it or cover the spread

Comfortable that the Dallas defense is severely under-rated, and the defense is just as much a part of dominating a game as the offense is. So its not really one for any vairance pile, thanks

I don't really want to go into why (I'm sure you can guess) but you should basically never bet a Patriots player for a first TD.

Sean Lee looking fantastic this year but definitely one for variance. Turnovers have a huge element of luck but total dominance in yards on both sides of the ball doesn't so much. Of course they will be unlucky not to cover here.

Did I mention Bryant is a bit handy too :-).

Dallas are winning despite a no show from Romo and Bryant behaving like a child

Clearly the better team when at full pelt, would be cruising if the offense showed up

the defense is not just Sean Lee.

That said at 26-17 I could do with another touchdown please, either side!

I don't like the fact that we are often at loggerheads NFL wise. Good luck for the overs! Not giving up on the Lions yet :-)

Going to be tight on both counts!

I get very defensive about Dallas, as they are such popular whipping boys. A weakness of mine

Wow Dallas game exploded in 4th qtr... Thought we would never make the points

NFL is the game that keeps giving!

Another nice comeback from the Pats 17-3 down at one point :) winning uuuuugly

I just hoped Gronk would have a massive game, but I know what you mean.

Just seen The Camel and Karibiner in the crowd at Wembley.

Oh wow. !!

lol. where's the nearest hole?

Calvin Johnson 329 receiving yards !! You got to be kidding .....

As much as I know you love the Cowboys you have to admit that was one of the most incredible all around winning drives ever and what a way to finish it!!

agree, brilliant stuff.

would rather they'd lost by 4, if they were to lose so that kuku could win

£13k matched at 1.01 on Dallas on Betfair too, such a sick last quarter!

Best draft decision I made this year ;)

Lets get some points on the go then Broncos!

The penalty on third down on the last Dallas drive is hard to believe, the game's done there without that.

sick sleeper

Patrick is trying to go skint with 15/2 Jordy, but apparently GB don't like tackling   ;frustrated;

Gents especially Tighty..

Dallas this weekend..points total line for them is over 29..although offense looked like it went on holiday last week they usually a 30+ team at home win or lose and that minnesota D especially the secondary looks laughable..

Thoughts ?

Gio Bernard just scored the most amazing td I've seen in a while.

How did he last until the second round?

How is law firm starting in front of him?

Such a tilting game this

Pity he couldn't have scored the first TD!

This officiating crew must be suspended surely, so many mistakes its ridiculous.

The Dolphins have been completely and utterly manhandled.

Just aren't in same physical ballpark as the Bengals.

Very fortunate to be in the game at all with a chance of winning with 2 minutes left.

Horrible call by the Bengals on 3rd down on their long drive.

If they were confident Nugent could nail one from 54 yards, they should have run the ball - make the Dolphins use their last time out.

If they really have to pass, 5 yard play surely superior to a long bomb.

I don't think i've ever seen so many 3rd and 5+ made in a row in all my time watching the NFL

Moaned that shit in

Actually wasn't a tez penalty to give up.

Saved a certain td.

(Aftertiming a bit obv)

Never seen that before.

Game ended on safety.

Ultimate run bad.... on over 42.5  20-20 in overtime cant lose surely.....oh wait a safety...well FML

That is a brutal beat.

I had to laugh although the fact I was sitting there watching it at circa 4AM didnt help... :)

Thoughts on Dallas over 29 points v the vikings ?

The Vikings are down three starters in the secondary, and are much weaker against the run than they used to be. With Ponder back at QB and a reluctance to pound away with AP, its tricky to see how the Cowboysoffense will beoff the field a lot

I would think the Cowboys would score more than 30

I would think the total points in the game could comfortably exceed 47.5

I would think Bryant could score two touchdowns, Terrance Williams a higher priced alterantive for what I think is a Paddy Power bet each week for people scoring more than two touchdowns

San Diego QB rivers has seen a return to form of old this season crushing weak secondaries.... sky have him +290.5 against a terrible redskins secondary..as long as the O line can keep the only half decent thing about the skins D , pass rush of Kerrigan Orakpo, off of Rivers and SD more pass orientated attack I like Rivers to throw nice numbers

Sorry Tal but the genius play calling season is upon us. Did you see what Buffalo just called up on 3rd and goal on the Kansas 1?

No. I'm watching Strictly. What did we do...?

3-1-KC 1   (11:14) (Shotgun) J.Tuel pass short right intended for T.Graham INTERCEPTED by S.Smith at KC 0. S.Smith for 100 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

'What's the sensible thing to do here, well we won't do that, nor the next sensible option either' Lets think of the worst way we can to get 1 yard with our last option in at QB and then do that eh'

And I have Graham in my fantasy team.

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lol

Currently on -2.2 points.

Dexter Mcluster also dropped what was likely a 70yard+ catch under no pressure whatsoever.

Anyone seen Phil Rivers? Not been spotted since last week

That could be a painful missed kick in the Vikings game!

As much as I love Danny Woodhead, I would prefer it if he were a few inches taller.

Rivers flow:)

what a play by Tampa. Never ever seen that before

What a stupid thing to say Carlson

Meh, it's his style.

Obviously just a throwaway joke without thinking about it.

Hope the best NFL analyst around doesn't face the music because of a harmless comment.

People lose jobs for a hell of a lot less

Hopefully Kubiak is ok, and we'll hear nothing more about it.

What he say ?

"It must have been the shock of watching Case Keenum".

After Kubiak collapsed.

Meh he really shouldn't have said it in his position but it really isn't that bad imo.

It's terrible it was just after he collapsed with no idea how bad a situation the guy might be in.

Also anyone else think he just speaks utter tosh these days?

Nah I still think he is really good at breaking down the game and explaining it to the viewer, has a very good depth of knowledge and i find him amusing.

Then again I have always been a fan of his, so going to be bias.

Yeah like Carlson a lot..his knowledge and application is second to none and he generally seems to be interesting and knowledgable on most US sports in particular... and if your'e very careful ive even heard him commentating on poker the odd time

Someone post the Olympic basketball clip, please. Brazil v someone, I think...?

Carlson is commentating for the BBC with John Ameichi and manages to get hit in the head with the ball at the buzzer somehow. One of the oddest pieces of commentary you're likely to hear.

I like any commentator who is able to explain something to you in such a way as you are able to look out for something to happen that you otherwise wouldn't have appreciated.

In golf: "now, he has a tough lie here on the edge of the green, so it's a delicate chip with a seven iron for Poulter. He needs to get the ball to bounce on the ridge about twenty feet from the hole and it should just hold it up. These greens are fast and there's a pronounced camber from right to left after that, so watch out for the break."

In snooker: "Ronnie played for the blue to go into the pack but he's come a little too far. He's straight on the brown, so it will need to be a halfball yellow into the green pocket. Two cushions round the angle and he should be back for the red nearest the pink spot. If he overhits it, he should still be able to take it into the middle. That's what these players look for: options"

In American football: "watch Megatron, here, on the replay. He knows the ball is coming his way and he's in treble coverage. The play has been called and he has nowhere else to run to in such a short space of time. All his energy needs to be focused on catching this ball, so he takes half a step back to get the safety out of his way and then he springs forward over the corner, using those huge arms to take the catch. He watches the ball all the way in, whatever else is going on around him"

You get the idea.

Carlson is the boss.

Best commentator/analyst of any sport on British tv at the moment.

Some of his jokes go a little flat sometimes, and this was very much the case last night.

But he acknowledged his mistake and let's hope that is the last we hear about it.

Heaven help us if we are inflicted with another Halling or Reynolds.

I like Willie Thorne (see comment above)



(In before "Tal loves Willie". I don't trust you lot)

What channel is the bears packers game on tonight?

British Eurosport mate.

Lol how does McCarthy not challenge that??? Must know I'm on.

Agree with the crowd on Carlson. Best sports analyst on British TV still for sure.

It seems Rodgers is out with broken collarbone and might make it back for the post season.

Hi Phil, sad news, I love watching Rodgers in full flow. Surely Detroit are worth a big bet for the division now? I've taken a decent chunk at 11/4.

I saw this and immediately rushed to check who I had as my backup in the league I have Rodgers in - thinking to myself that I had already used my waiver for that week so I was, well, screwed.

My backup? Romo.

I can relax a bit now :) Still sucks though, was hoping to catch the Packers game when I am in LV on Sunday.

I'm sure you're a lovely fella, but could any of that have been more thin?!

;)

Sorry, couldn't resist. At least it's not our league!

If it makes you feel better, I'm in a 3rd league. My opponent last week had quit the game so he had no QB or K (both on bye). I had Jamaal Charles, Rivers, Ridley, Garcon and AJ Green. Needless to say I was pretty confident.

This morning when I checked it I nearly threw up. He might have had 2 bye players, but he also had Riley Cooper, Eddie Lacy, DeSean Jackson and to top it off, Andre Johnson. Combined total of those 4 players? 116.60.

FML. Battered by a team with no QB.

hi Ku, yes me too, always great to watch. Like your bet on Detroit too, I had a bit as well.

Hope you are well mate

You think Green Bay makes the playoffs without Rodgers?

In real life stuff, I'm very well :-). I hope you are too! I was tempted to call in for the Saturday of the TfT bash but ended up down in Cornwall catching a few waves on the tail end of that big storm.

On the American Football betting, I've had a very poor start to the year. I haven't found many spots I like and the few bets I've had seem to have found some crazy ways to lose.
 
There are still spots that I like going forward, Detroit seem underrated generally, there'll likely be some value being against Denver (San Diego +7). I'll also be with New England over the next few weeks with key players getting fit.

Have to be against Green Bay without Rodgers at the likely prices, teams will soon found a way to stop Starks and Lacy when there's such a limited threat through the air, I'll certainly be interested if there is any Philly +3 about.

I've been impressed with Tighty and Neil's tips so far this year, it's looked tough most weeks and they're making it look easy.

Detroit really should win the division now

Chicago's defense is not good enough (too many bodies out in front seven)

Teams can now stack the box against Lacy and Starks, with Seneca Wallace in at QB

Minn are out of it, obviously

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Coincidentally, I like very much Washington to win the NFC East. RG3 can run again now, transforms that offense

nice one guys, me and rich have had pretty decent bets on them @ 11/4 as well as chicago @ 7/2.

how come you both left the bears alone, think the rodgers news makes them a great dutch.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/11/05/pffs-midseason-all-pro-team/2/

Mental note to be on the Buccs next season

Top 3 pick gets them Bridgewater/Mariotta etc

Revis/David/McCoy/Doug Martin etc

Plenty of talent, appallingly coached

The Martin/Ingocinto story got me thing.

If two NFL players of the same team got into a fight on the field a la Dyer/Bowyer would a penalty be assessed?

For sure:

Unsportsmanlike conduct

Has it ever happened?

Reggie Bush ( Detroit) quoted on Sky over 77.5 rushing yards... Bears run D pretty awful ranked 29th in the league avg allowed 127.5 ypg... anyone with a deese running game has gashed them for big numbers all season...5/8 games oppos lead RB has gone for 95 + inc Bush's 139 in this fixture in September...Lacy killed them for 150 on Monday and add to this 2 starting LB are out as well...Bears front seven allow runners through to the secondary a lot and the safeties miss tackles too.... Bears can't load the box as Stafford will shred them with Megatron in man to man...

77.5 looks a bargain even with Bell adding numbers whilst Reggie has a rest ..

So my biggest bet for the weekend is on Reggie..fingers crossed he doesn't get twatted 2nd play in

Thoughts?

Seems good to me, I expect Bell over 77.5 too.

Hope Your correct Dean. Big weekend mate.

Yeah this looks a good bet for sure.

Have had a bet on there being more than 5.5 sacks in the Houston-Arizona game. Only Skybet offers the market, so I can't post it as a recommend/suggestion on Tips for Tikay.

Arizona's left tackle has missed a few days with 'flu this week. He will play but he has to deal with JJ Watt. On the other hand, the Cards pressured Ryan last week to 4INTs and Keenum will have no running game available with Foster out. Tate has four injured ribs. I've also learned (was news to me) that chasing the QB out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage counts as a sack. Seems interesting, anyway. Slightly north of Even money with Skybet.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

Three step drop

Absolute fucking morons!

Apologies for that outburst, but was feeling rather irritated after watching Chris Johnson set fire to my dough!

you have got to be kidding Cincy????

Channel 4 coverage is so poor, who is this clown they call on Skype that reckons Tom Brady is not an elite QB

Can there be a more stupid celebration than Revis catching an INT there on the Tampa 33 yard line when Miami are  4th and a load from their own 15 yard line when if he doesn't catch it Tampa get the ball on the Miami 15?

Just given away 52 yards  and is running around like David Pleat chasing Raddy Antic and getting high fives from everyone.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyAUkaC6nsI

Meh.

Can't really blame him - they looked throwing away yet another W, but managed to pull this one out of the fire.

Would have been much worse if he'd tipped it like that Ravens safety did on the last play yesterday.

Yeah, they could have fumbled a snap or had a punt blocked or something - but it's kinda natural for a db to try for the INT in that spot.

So often they do this and it winds me up, Keith you make reference to the Ravens game, he tipped it because he tried to bring it in, could easily have batted it out of the end zone.

Don't think he was trying to catch it, think he was just batting it away.

Have to re watch to be sure though.

How is Hayward bey a receiver in the nfl... Never seen a wideout drop so many passes so often

Was only watching on a live text feed so didnt see if there was any particular reason why it happened, but what the fook were the Lions doing on that FG attempt late in the 4th?    They were 4 points clear with about 5 mins left and had 4th and goal or something at the 7 yard line, had the field goal unit on the pitch and tried to run it in on a trick play.  Surely if there is one situation where you must kick a field goal this is it?

And surely if you're going to go for it there, you tell Matt Stafford to throw it to Megatron, not put the ball in the hands of a punter lol

It is certainly getting to the 'I'm a play calling genius' stage of the season. I am surprised by how many teams have been giving up field goal attempts to go for td's this season too.

 Thought this was pretty interesting...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGDaOJAYHfo

The funny thing is this is probably closer to mathematically correct than the current average nfl coaches strategy.

Problem is no one is willing to step that far outside of the box, from a lack of knowledge or job security.

Currently the best is probably trestman at the bears, chip kelly has let me down after being very aggro in college. Bellichick used to be pretty good then he got slated for a correct go for it spot against the colts in the media and backed off.

Except the punters are incredibly skilled and the defences can stop offences.

Really smart video. How big a part do statistics play in English sports? Supposedly the national cricket side had a very clued up young man from Loughborough who was doing lots of analysis but understandably it all seems a bit under the radar.

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/8357989/sporting-heroes-woodward-&-hodgson

There was a part in this where Sir Clive Woodward explains his disbelief that strikers take different run ups to consecutive penalties; that there is no consistency of approach in any one player. Compare that to the metronomic - even boring - template of Johnny Wilkinson. When they did it at Southampton, a striker would take a different number of steps each time. When you compare it to other (particularly US) sports, it is incredible.

Cricket seems to have benefited from the analysis it has received and Jimmy Anderson's bowling action has changed significantly over the years. IIRC his action now is back to a similar style to how he started, but he has been through a few different approaches.

The big difference in high school football by going for an onside kick they only lose 14 yards. In the pros the loss is more like 30-35 yards because the kickers get the ball so much deeper and the coverage teams are so much better.

Added to that in high school football it is much easier to recover an onside kick.

But absolutely agree pro coaches are far too conservative.

Except Riverboat Ron of course

Saw this today, maybe the replacement refs weren't so bad, after all...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoJWwJyHpR4

Lions coach at it again today.

Easy FG to tie, go for a ridiculously difficult pass on third and long and get intercepted.

That's nit the coach, that is all on Matthew Stafford. Got to go low risk there and if need be fg on 4th down

There's going to be some spectacularly awful teams in the playoffs this season.

Several of: Indy, Tennessee, Dallas, Oakland, Philly, Jets, Miami, Detroit, Chicago, Green Bay and Buffalo are going to the show.

There will be some huge spreads in the first round of the playoffs.

 Jacksonville can still get there.

Tampa would be favourite over some of those who are going to make it.

What's going on with these rush defenses?

Dallas earlier, now the Pats. I know they've both got injuuries but the replacements are completely woeful.

I'd fancy Tikay to have a 100 yard game if he suited up against either of these squads.

Gonna be incred if the Pats can get this done!

what an amazing turnaround

Mate asked me what I would bet, I said I had just done some First/Last TDs and not bothered on the outright.

He backed Pats because he prefers underdogs and went to bed in a huff after the first 1/4 :D

Think quite a few fans went as well..shame on them..thats the whole point in being a fan..how can you know ecstasy without the knowledge of disappointment... plastic fans ftw

Add the Bears to that

I must admit - at the start of the season, a few teams went through my head for bottom of the AFC and bottom of the NFC.

The Texans and the Falcons were not in that group. Be interesting to see if Texans decide to just experiment and finish last so they can get that number 1 pick. The Falcons won't want it as they have Ryan.

Yeah, he just bet for a sweat and I took no pleasure in telling him how good the game was 2nd half ;D

Falcons bust season doesn't surprise me at all.

Last season's stellar season did though!

Weak secondary, no pass rush, far too reliant on Julio Jones in the wr corps. Signing a washed up Steven Jackson was a surprising move too.

It's criminal Houston are in the position they are in though.

JJ Watt, Brian Cushing, Arian Foster, Andre Johnson, etc etc the list of top 5 players in their respective positions is very long.

Terrible coaching explains quite a lot though..

This has to be it for kubiak surely. The texans have massively under performed for years under him.

How often are touchdowns scored in the final 2 minutes (regular time) of a match?  I'm assuming it's higher than most 2 minute blocks due to number of TO's used.

PP have an offer for Thanksgiving where stakes refunded on losing handicap bets if either team scores a TD in last 2 mins.  Not sure how big a deal that is?

I responded in T4T.  It is a pretty big deal imo.

What's your view on the level of coaching and play calling in Indy mate?  I'm wondering if the circumstances surrounding Pagano's  illness have masked some pretty awful coaching and play calling this season. Htf do you not put your game plan squarely in Luck's hands going into every game instead of talking about getting your ground game going and then having to climb mountains to get back into games. i think Their outscored in first qtr/ first halves stats  is amazing at the mo.

When was the last time that going into Thanksgiving the Lions and Cowboys were leading their divisions?

1991.

2 minutes 16 seconds!

 rotflmfao

Michael Jackson's 'Black or White' was number 1. We are still 6 months away from 'Deeply Dippy'

I'll explain: you're my Lois Lane...

Any tips for today's games?

Wanted to do Lions & Cowboys double but the points spread is too harsh & shit odds on just the win, any other ideas ?

The bits of Indy I have seen is that the injuries they have, seem to have led to a complete lack of plan B. I think the offensive line is pretty poor and this leads to the amount Luck has been hit and the lack of run game.

I don't see Pagano being sacked, even though maybe it should be considered. This team is going to make the playoffs for the 2nd year straight but questions will be asked soon having the best young qb in the league if they aren't a challenger in the next few years for the superbowl.

http://www.betpal.com/nfl-thanksgiving-betting-preview


liked all three underdogs with the points when I wrote yesterday

Oakland has come in a bit, but anything about +7 is good

Packers my least confident of the three

Steelers should be a low scoring snot fest in bad weather. Unders on points probably too

Steelers should be a low scoring snot fest in bad weather. Unders on points probably too

Will probably do this to recoup losses when my other bets fail, thanks.

Sorry Tighty and others, couldn't resist... rotflmfao

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You were saying? Another good game for Romo. Chronically under-rated by the part time NFL fan like Sharplea.

Impressive when a team can double its total yards in the last play of the game.

Btw, without looking, can anyone guess the record for the lowest total yards a team has managed in a game?

Well i'm going with a negative number, -10?

Good thinking

-7

Just imagine paying for that ticket

    Fewest Yards Gained, Both Teams, Game, 30

    Chicago Cardinals (14) vs Detroit Lions (16), Sep 15, 1940

This must have been even worse!

Auburn v Alabama yesterday - tied at 28-28, 1 second left on the clock, Alabama have a FG to win it...

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wndHAXJicPI

What the heck is happening in Houston?!

I'm a Raider - was banter :)

I rate Romo enough to have him in one of my leagues, remember!

A reminder to anyone who bought NFL Wembley season tickets that priority sale for next year started at 10am.

You should have received a password already via email to give you access to the pre-sale, so get booking if you'd planned to and had forgotten!

How come virtually no centres are picked in the first round of the draft?

Lots of taclkles obv, and quite a few guards, but outside the Pounceys - very very few centres in the last 5/6 drafts. (Couldn't be bothered to look any further back)

Would have thought this was a more important position than guard.

Anyone have any thoughts for tonights game.  My instincts are saying Jacksonville are looking the better team after a terrible start. 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10084412/michael-bennett-seattle-seahawks-pretends-russell-wilson-get-table

This story made me lol

Especially "She took me to the table and they had it roped off," Bennett said. "They had sparkling water and everything."

This Eagles game is just insane!

Unfortunately, Jeremy Ross appears to be the one most capable of running in snow.

NFL is so good, what an ending to the Baltimore game

Insane!

Flacco intercepted but a flag on the play, camped on the 11 yard line with prob 3 chances at the end zone if they are quick

Wow!

OMG, if that's a TD I have never seen anything like this

Fking Vikings defense

Insanely bad lol

fuck me pink, Pitts scored on a multi lateral play but could be out of bounds

he stepped out of bounds on the sideline, Miami win.

5 go ahead touchdowns in 2:07

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Red zone tonight is like Saturday's MOTD. Just jaw-dropper after jaw-dropper

First onside kick recovery by the patriots for 330 games. That's quite impressive

just

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man alive, its like a best of DVD all within 5 minutes play. Pats might nick this now.

omg, pass int flag on the Cleve 1 yard line

It wasn't interference and it wasn't in the end zone. Apart from that, good call.

yes terrible call that, did you see the onside kick, Didn't Gotskow touch it first?

Wow

Never seen anything like it

Just about every finish went against me too lol

I didn't think so, although one camera angle made it look like he did

Surely Campbell gets the TD after faking a field goal. It's the only fair way to end this

It looked like he touched it in real time, but after seeing a few replays I don't think he did.

stick a fork in me, 59 yard fg attempt is short.

Could be huge that

PI call Might lead to Patriots getting the Play off bye week and home advantage over the Bengals. Sigh

Sickest game I've ever seen!

Browns traded @ 1.01 for just over a ton and 1.02 for over a grand.

yes, we ran pretty bad there in terms of amazing comebacks.

And Prater breaks the all time field goal record with a 64 yard field goal.

right i dont understand the whole nfl league tables etc
the eagles have played 1 more game and won a game more than dallas but dallas are ahead of them in league
just wondering what are the chances are the eagles making the play offs?

You obviously didn't see the Ravens v Vikings.

Now that really was sick.

4 tds in the last 2 minutes.

Wow, I'll have to find it online tomorrow.

This might have been the most absurd day i have seen in the NFL

How did that happen, were conditions especially favourable, strong wind in favour or something?

High altitude... thinner air and one less coat of paint on the crossbar

Well yes, the previous records were there too, but presumably the altitude has always remained much the same?

The Broncos have played in that Stadium for 13 years, & previously were reasonably adjacent, @ the same altitude.

I was just curious if anything specific last night made it possible. 

Yes, we were on the Titans.

It was timing more than anything else - it just so happened they could have a shot to nothing as the last kick of the half. At any other time in the match they don't kick it from there.

Ouch.

Gotcha.

Quite a night, one way & another.

Tony,

Super Mike mentioned on Channel 4 last night that one of the previous record holders Tom Dempsey wore a special shoe to kick as he had a slightly deformed kicking foot. That sounded quite amazing, so I took a look on Wiki and it turns out he was born with no toes on his right foot and no fingers on his right hand. There seemed to be some controversy as some thought the modified shoe gave him an unfair advantage.

'''Dempsey was born without toes on his right foot and no fingers on his right hand. He wore a modified shoe with a flattened and enlarged toe surface. This generated controversy about whether such a shoe gave a player an unfair advantage. When reporters would ask him if he thought it was unfair, he said "Unfair eh? How 'bout you try kickin' a 63 yard field goal to win it with 2 seconds left an' yer wearin' a square shoe, oh, yeah and no toes either"'

There is a picture on the Wiki page of his modified shoe. Quite incredible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Dempsey

Yup...Toe Poke ftw....outlawed now..but apparently gave him no advantage

Posted this in TFT and thought I would put it in here also for some input as I don't frequent this thread very much I forgot about it!

I think its a very very good catch. Not the best of a season though, which commentary I regard as hyperbole

Great story!

Love that sort of stuff.

Have you ever seen an NFL game played in worse conditions than that snow last night?

Dempsey is currently in a care home in New Orleans with Alzheimers.

Love this

Vikings-Ravens as a poker hand

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbD3vIWIIAACdAS.jpg:large)

It was a swift descent after he bought a share of Blondepoker.

That's  a brill picture Rich.

Tony, there was a game in I think it was New England maybe 10 or so years ago where Jeff Fishers moustache was frozen solid and he actually had small icicles hanging off it.

I can't for it properly from here but there might be clip on YouTube or some pics of it online.

 

It's actually remarkable as it was so cold yesterday.

The truth is there are not many situations where you would attempt a fg this long, so the record will remain beatable.

Dumb question department......

In this page, here.....


http://espn.go.com/nfl/standings


How is it that Packers & the Twins are shown to have had a Tie? I thought every NFL game had to end with a result?

If the game finishes and the teams are level, it goes to overtime, but if the teams still can't be separated, they call it a tie. They are rare, though and the press can't work out what to do with them. Proper cat and pigeons job.

Gotcha.

So if - hypothetically of course - one was discussing the Packers on a piece to camera, likely to be viewed by millions (minimum), how does one articulate that?

For - say - Dallas - I'd say "Dallas are 7 & 6".

So the Packers record would be spoken as "Packers are 6 & 6 with one tied" I guess?

Just wondering, thats all.

Green Bay are +6 to win at Dallas this weekend, or 2/1 outright give or take a tick

Aaron Rodgers is very close to being back. If he comes back they could put a lot of points up. If he doesn't you are getting a fair price against a flaky team

 You would say they are 6,6 and 1 Tikay.

He isn't going to be back though

Bugger.

Bugger.

another couple of potentially amazing endings in the Saints and Zona games .

Incredible Tennessee

Come on booth review, come on booth review, confirm this GB interception please!!!