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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
Conservative - 19 (33.9%)
Labour - 12 (21.4%)
SNP - 2 (3.6%)
Lib Dem - 8 (14.3%)
Brexit - 1 (1.8%)
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Other - 2 (3.6%)
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« Reply #18900 on: July 17, 2019, 09:25:53 AM »

this is a must watch, in the context of the next post please

Ivan Rogers tells the Foreign Affairs Ctte that the PM wasn't too happy when he explained her Brexit Ireland policy consisted of three incompatible promises

https://twitter.com/JP_Biz/status/1151148529865412608
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« Reply #18901 on: July 17, 2019, 09:29:40 AM »

so this is what that evidence looks like

hence the difficulty of solving

so who is Boris going to shaft?

the ERG? Unlikely

the good friday agreement? unlikely, given he wants US trade deal

the DUP? Well that strikes me as the candidate. Do "the Mantis", have NI seperate, stuff the DUP, they withdraw from co-op agreement, election..Boris gambles that he would win the election on a brexit promise against a Labour party with no position...wins a majority(? brexit party voters go back to tory) then break the parliamentary logjam?
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« Reply #18902 on: July 17, 2019, 09:30:41 AM »

so Labour peer Stewart Wood wrote something that i caught yesterday

"Despite his rhetoric, I can't help feeling we are underestimating the chances of a "Lipstick on a Pig" Brexit move by PM Boris Johnson: a few cosmetic changes to May's Deal, sold at home as a New Deal, & then a drive to a) split the ERG, b) attract 20 or so Labour MPs. Just maybe"

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« Reply #18903 on: July 17, 2019, 09:33:01 AM »

but then again the Borisgrpah reports

"Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt claim they’d take a no-deal Brexit. The problem arises when the EU call our bluff and decide it's more damaging to Britain"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/15/boris-johnson-jeremy-hunt-claim-take-no-deal-brexit-just-one/
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« Reply #18904 on: July 17, 2019, 09:34:11 AM »

this made me laugh so much

very clever

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« Reply #18905 on: July 17, 2019, 10:42:28 AM »

Looks like I might have beaten Tighty to this one, so I save him from the abuse for 'only showing one side' with his content.

I love how Melville phrased his comment though.
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« Reply #18906 on: July 17, 2019, 12:05:38 PM »

very interesting thread

"Hardening "no deal" signals are emerging from borisj ohnson camp. What is going on? What might it mean? Is it choreographed? Is it all that it appears?

Some thoughts after chats in UK and EU"

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1151232506592669697

Hilarious stuff. It’s like the Mock the Week crew sitting in the pub riffing on the theme of Boris is a buffoon and we’re all doomed in preparation for their spontaneous quips when the cameras are rolling.
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« Reply #18907 on: July 17, 2019, 06:11:09 PM »

To answer the Melville question. The pound has seen a major fall due to uncertainty.

By comparison other currencies haven’t faced the same level of uncertainty

The reason for uncertainty is that Remain didn’t and still don’t unite behind a democratic decision. Politicians from all sides have similarly failed to unite. Thus uncertainty.

It really isn’t Brexit. Cos guess what? Brexit hasn’t happened.

On the other topic I don’t get this Boris is stupid line. If anything I figure he’s pretty smart. It does offer me a sense of fnarr, optimism, because after this ‘bumbling baboon’ has successfully engineered the top job he will readily convince the euros he’s such a loon buffoon they better offer some serious concessions.
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« Reply #18908 on: July 17, 2019, 07:32:11 PM »

In non-Brexit news here's Anna Soubry crying because Chuka Umunna doesn't phone her since he joined the Lib Dems

https://twitter.com/michaeljswalker/status/1151275615787585537
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« Reply #18909 on: July 17, 2019, 08:08:05 PM »

Abs comedy gold from bojo with the kippers and the gags
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« Reply #18910 on: July 17, 2019, 08:53:51 PM »

To answer the Melville question. The pound has seen a major fall due to uncertainty.

By comparison other currencies haven’t faced the same level of uncertainty

The reason for uncertainty is that Remain didn’t and still don’t unite behind a democratic decision. Politicians from all sides have similarly failed to unite. Thus uncertainty.

It really isn’t Brexit. Cos guess what? Brexit hasn’t happened.

On the other topic I don’t get this Boris is stupid line. If anything I figure he’s pretty smart. It does offer me a sense of fnarr, optimism, because after this ‘bumbling baboon’ has successfully engineered the top job he will readily convince the euros he’s such a loon buffoon they better offer some serious concessions.

It's madness to think try and blame the recent drop in the pound to brexit uncertainty. We have been under the uncertainty for a year now and it's never dropped to what it is now.

It has dropped because of Boris - He's the one who is most likely to try and force no deal through. That will mean the pound will be less than the euro and similar rate to the dollar. The market is clearly reacting.

The pound is dropping simply because no deal looks more and more likely. Don't try and say something else to suit your narrative.
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« Reply #18911 on: July 17, 2019, 09:07:08 PM »

Kinda interested to know peoples brief thoughts on some of these questions:

What would the Euro be if we leave with No Deal/Deal/stay in EU?

Will Boris suspend Parliament?

Will there be a second ref? What do you think he vote would be?

Will there be a General election before the year out? How would a GE work out?
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« Reply #18912 on: July 17, 2019, 09:25:56 PM »

To answer the Melville question. The pound has seen a major fall due to uncertainty.

By comparison other currencies haven’t faced the same level of uncertainty

The reason for uncertainty is that Remain didn’t and still don’t unite behind a democratic decision. Politicians from all sides have similarly failed to unite. Thus uncertainty.

It really isn’t Brexit. Cos guess what? Brexit hasn’t happened.

On the other topic I don’t get this Boris is stupid line. If anything I figure he’s pretty smart. It does offer me a sense of fnarr, optimism, because after this ‘bumbling baboon’ has successfully engineered the top job he will readily convince the euros he’s such a loon buffoon they better offer some serious concessions.

It's madness to think try and blame the recent drop in the pound to brexit uncertainty. We have been under the uncertainty for a year now and it's never dropped to what it is now.

It has dropped because of Boris - He's the one who is most likely to try and force no deal through. That will mean the pound will be less than the euro and similar rate to the dollar. The market is clearly reacting.

The pound is dropping simply because no deal looks more and more likely. Don't try and say something else to suit your narrative.

Melville asks question about graph above

Graph is analysing drop since June 2016

Referendum was June 2016

I answer Melville question

Total madness mate

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« Reply #18913 on: July 17, 2019, 09:28:31 PM »

To answer the Melville question. The pound has seen a major fall due to uncertainty.

By comparison other currencies haven’t faced the same level of uncertainty

The reason for uncertainty is that Remain didn’t and still don’t unite behind a democratic decision. Politicians from all sides have similarly failed to unite. Thus uncertainty.

It really isn’t Brexit. Cos guess what? Brexit hasn’t happened.

On the other topic I don’t get this Boris is stupid line. If anything I figure he’s pretty smart. It does offer me a sense of fnarr, optimism, because after this ‘bumbling baboon’ has successfully engineered the top job he will readily convince the euros he’s such a loon buffoon they better offer some serious concessions.

It's madness to think try and blame the recent drop in the pound to brexit uncertainty. We have been under the uncertainty for a year now and it's never dropped to what it is now.

It has dropped because of Boris - He's the one who is most likely to try and force no deal through. That will mean the pound will be less than the euro and similar rate to the dollar. The market is clearly reacting.

The pound is dropping simply because no deal looks more and more likely. Don't try and say something else to suit your narrative.

Melville asks question about graph above

Graph is analysing drop since June 2016

Referendum was June 2016

I answer Melville question

Total madness mate



The drop before the vote is not far off to the drop e are currently seeing. It still isn't about uncertainty - we are going to be worse off after brexit, with or without a deal
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« Reply #18914 on: July 17, 2019, 09:39:32 PM »

To answer the Melville question. The pound has seen a major fall due to uncertainty.

By comparison other currencies haven’t faced the same level of uncertainty

The reason for uncertainty is that Remain didn’t and still don’t unite behind a democratic decision. Politicians from all sides have similarly failed to unite. Thus uncertainty.

It really isn’t Brexit. Cos guess what? Brexit hasn’t happened.

On the other topic I don’t get this Boris is stupid line. If anything I figure he’s pretty smart. It does offer me a sense of fnarr, optimism, because after this ‘bumbling baboon’ has successfully engineered the top job he will readily convince the euros he’s such a loon buffoon they better offer some serious concessions.

Where is the Turkish Lira, Argentinian Peso?
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