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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
Conservative - 19 (33.9%)
Labour - 12 (21.4%)
SNP - 2 (3.6%)
Lib Dem - 8 (14.3%)
Brexit - 1 (1.8%)
Green - 6 (10.7%)
Other - 2 (3.6%)
Spoil - 0 (0%)
Not voting - 6 (10.7%)
Total Voters: 55

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« Reply #18885 on: July 17, 2019, 10:42:28 AM »

Looks like I might have beaten Tighty to this one, so I save him from the abuse for 'only showing one side' with his content.

I love how Melville phrased his comment though.
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« Reply #18886 on: July 17, 2019, 12:05:38 PM »

very interesting thread

"Hardening "no deal" signals are emerging from borisj ohnson camp. What is going on? What might it mean? Is it choreographed? Is it all that it appears?

Some thoughts after chats in UK and EU"

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1151232506592669697

Hilarious stuff. It’s like the Mock the Week crew sitting in the pub riffing on the theme of Boris is a buffoon and we’re all doomed in preparation for their spontaneous quips when the cameras are rolling.
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« Reply #18887 on: July 17, 2019, 06:11:09 PM »

To answer the Melville question. The pound has seen a major fall due to uncertainty.

By comparison other currencies haven’t faced the same level of uncertainty

The reason for uncertainty is that Remain didn’t and still don’t unite behind a democratic decision. Politicians from all sides have similarly failed to unite. Thus uncertainty.

It really isn’t Brexit. Cos guess what? Brexit hasn’t happened.

On the other topic I don’t get this Boris is stupid line. If anything I figure he’s pretty smart. It does offer me a sense of fnarr, optimism, because after this ‘bumbling baboon’ has successfully engineered the top job he will readily convince the euros he’s such a loon buffoon they better offer some serious concessions.
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« Reply #18888 on: July 17, 2019, 07:32:11 PM »

In non-Brexit news here's Anna Soubry crying because Chuka Umunna doesn't phone her since he joined the Lib Dems

https://twitter.com/michaeljswalker/status/1151275615787585537
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« Reply #18889 on: July 17, 2019, 08:08:05 PM »

Abs comedy gold from bojo with the kippers and the gags
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« Reply #18890 on: July 17, 2019, 08:53:51 PM »

To answer the Melville question. The pound has seen a major fall due to uncertainty.

By comparison other currencies haven’t faced the same level of uncertainty

The reason for uncertainty is that Remain didn’t and still don’t unite behind a democratic decision. Politicians from all sides have similarly failed to unite. Thus uncertainty.

It really isn’t Brexit. Cos guess what? Brexit hasn’t happened.

On the other topic I don’t get this Boris is stupid line. If anything I figure he’s pretty smart. It does offer me a sense of fnarr, optimism, because after this ‘bumbling baboon’ has successfully engineered the top job he will readily convince the euros he’s such a loon buffoon they better offer some serious concessions.

It's madness to think try and blame the recent drop in the pound to brexit uncertainty. We have been under the uncertainty for a year now and it's never dropped to what it is now.

It has dropped because of Boris - He's the one who is most likely to try and force no deal through. That will mean the pound will be less than the euro and similar rate to the dollar. The market is clearly reacting.

The pound is dropping simply because no deal looks more and more likely. Don't try and say something else to suit your narrative.
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« Reply #18891 on: July 17, 2019, 09:07:08 PM »

Kinda interested to know peoples brief thoughts on some of these questions:

What would the Euro be if we leave with No Deal/Deal/stay in EU?

Will Boris suspend Parliament?

Will there be a second ref? What do you think he vote would be?

Will there be a General election before the year out? How would a GE work out?
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« Reply #18892 on: July 17, 2019, 09:25:56 PM »

To answer the Melville question. The pound has seen a major fall due to uncertainty.

By comparison other currencies haven’t faced the same level of uncertainty

The reason for uncertainty is that Remain didn’t and still don’t unite behind a democratic decision. Politicians from all sides have similarly failed to unite. Thus uncertainty.

It really isn’t Brexit. Cos guess what? Brexit hasn’t happened.

On the other topic I don’t get this Boris is stupid line. If anything I figure he’s pretty smart. It does offer me a sense of fnarr, optimism, because after this ‘bumbling baboon’ has successfully engineered the top job he will readily convince the euros he’s such a loon buffoon they better offer some serious concessions.

It's madness to think try and blame the recent drop in the pound to brexit uncertainty. We have been under the uncertainty for a year now and it's never dropped to what it is now.

It has dropped because of Boris - He's the one who is most likely to try and force no deal through. That will mean the pound will be less than the euro and similar rate to the dollar. The market is clearly reacting.

The pound is dropping simply because no deal looks more and more likely. Don't try and say something else to suit your narrative.

Melville asks question about graph above

Graph is analysing drop since June 2016

Referendum was June 2016

I answer Melville question

Total madness mate

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« Reply #18893 on: July 17, 2019, 09:28:31 PM »

To answer the Melville question. The pound has seen a major fall due to uncertainty.

By comparison other currencies haven’t faced the same level of uncertainty

The reason for uncertainty is that Remain didn’t and still don’t unite behind a democratic decision. Politicians from all sides have similarly failed to unite. Thus uncertainty.

It really isn’t Brexit. Cos guess what? Brexit hasn’t happened.

On the other topic I don’t get this Boris is stupid line. If anything I figure he’s pretty smart. It does offer me a sense of fnarr, optimism, because after this ‘bumbling baboon’ has successfully engineered the top job he will readily convince the euros he’s such a loon buffoon they better offer some serious concessions.

It's madness to think try and blame the recent drop in the pound to brexit uncertainty. We have been under the uncertainty for a year now and it's never dropped to what it is now.

It has dropped because of Boris - He's the one who is most likely to try and force no deal through. That will mean the pound will be less than the euro and similar rate to the dollar. The market is clearly reacting.

The pound is dropping simply because no deal looks more and more likely. Don't try and say something else to suit your narrative.

Melville asks question about graph above

Graph is analysing drop since June 2016

Referendum was June 2016

I answer Melville question

Total madness mate



The drop before the vote is not far off to the drop e are currently seeing. It still isn't about uncertainty - we are going to be worse off after brexit, with or without a deal
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« Reply #18894 on: July 17, 2019, 09:39:32 PM »

To answer the Melville question. The pound has seen a major fall due to uncertainty.

By comparison other currencies haven’t faced the same level of uncertainty

The reason for uncertainty is that Remain didn’t and still don’t unite behind a democratic decision. Politicians from all sides have similarly failed to unite. Thus uncertainty.

It really isn’t Brexit. Cos guess what? Brexit hasn’t happened.

On the other topic I don’t get this Boris is stupid line. If anything I figure he’s pretty smart. It does offer me a sense of fnarr, optimism, because after this ‘bumbling baboon’ has successfully engineered the top job he will readily convince the euros he’s such a loon buffoon they better offer some serious concessions.

Where is the Turkish Lira, Argentinian Peso?
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« Reply #18895 on: July 17, 2019, 10:13:30 PM »

To answer the Melville question. The pound has seen a major fall due to uncertainty.

By comparison other currencies haven’t faced the same level of uncertainty

The reason for uncertainty is that Remain didn’t and still don’t unite behind a democratic decision. Politicians from all sides have similarly failed to unite. Thus uncertainty.

It really isn’t Brexit. Cos guess what? Brexit hasn’t happened.

On the other topic I don’t get this Boris is stupid line. If anything I figure he’s pretty smart. It does offer me a sense of fnarr, optimism, because after this ‘bumbling baboon’ has successfully engineered the top job he will readily convince the euros he’s such a loon buffoon they better offer some serious concessions.

Where is the Turkish Lira, Argentinian Peso?


Turkey and Argentina.

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« Reply #18896 on: July 17, 2019, 10:23:48 PM »

In non-Brexit news here's Anna Soubry crying because Chuka Umunna doesn't phone her since he joined the Lib Dems

https://twitter.com/michaeljswalker/status/1151275615787585537


Anna should pop in to see me!...... every Friday Chuka parks outside my office and takes his kid to the nursery.  Smiley
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« Reply #18897 on: July 18, 2019, 08:35:46 AM »

Abs comedy gold from bojo with the kippers and the gags

hardly

referencing kipper trade from the Isle of Man.

Worth noting the Isle of Man isn’t part of the EU or the UK, but remains part of the customs territory of the Union.
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« Reply #18898 on: July 18, 2019, 08:36:55 AM »

Another very thought provoking blog

"Boris Johnson's prospects come in three varieties of Nixon.

latest Brexit Blog post reviews the comparisons between BJ and Richard Nixon:

'Nixon goes to China',
'Madman theory', and
"scandal, failure & premature departure from office"

https://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2019/07/johnsons-prospects-come-in-three.html chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2019/07/johnso…
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« Reply #18899 on: July 18, 2019, 09:04:01 AM »

It’s a shame it was hidden behind a firewall, but JRM’s piece in yesterday’s Telegraph promotes different views from those we generally see in this thread.

Today there is a cracking piece by Allister Heath on the future of the country if Boris fails.

Plus a very sensible view of HS2 from Bob Seely who points out that whilst we contemplate spending billions on a vanity project not expected to deliver anything for at least another 10 years, the rolling stock on the public railways in his constituency (Isle of Wight) is older than that on the heritage line...
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